I didn’t like how little screen time & focus they had, plus we didn’t see them kill anyone onscreen either

Yes all the building to the threat of Dangerous Daleks Gone. Now they are Goofy metal boxes. Why didn't they bring other aliens for the part 2?. It would have developed the story more.

I always imagined that the Dalek Supreme (and probably.a few others) is actually a Time War Dalek, also rescued by Caan, and he forced Davros to make more out of his own body. Hence, these Daleks are not loyal to him because the Supreme prevented him from doing that.

It depends how long this empire has been in the making. Seeing Tge Dalek Emperor had a functioning flagship, and took at least 200 years to make 500,000 Daleks, I presume Davros and the Crucible had been there at least a thousand to expand towhere they are in Journeys End, it's completely understandable, even with the same conditioning of tge the Imperial Daleks, for a Supreme to usurp the empire. The Imperial Daleks were a short lived Dalek faction (I'd expect less than 30 years in universe, as they were still in a civil war to conquer their homeworld during their destruction)

And Davros is technically the only none Dalek alive.

None of the ships are shown to escape, just move across the screen.

@@10thdoctor15 Given Russell's admission it will be a controversial plot hole for ever more

@@10thdoctor15no whilst the rest of the ships explode one literally flies nearly off screen.

@@OKTAPHMFAA Nearly off screen. Not all of the ships have exploded yet, so we assume they all do, even if they're moving a bit.

Actually that charge up would’ve made it alot better, especially because they could emphasize how much sheer power it takes just to kill one

Also the daleks could adapt to the weapons later so they become useless and the daleks are powerful again.

Nah Parting of the Ways was incredible with them too.

They needed too actually used the damn things...How the hell did the comics use them better than the Show?

they appears and then just sort of like never really came back lol

I agree, I much prefer having the Daleks as an ever-present threat lurking out there in the universe, than have them be wiped out 'for good' in every series finale only to have us all pretending to act surprised when they inevitably show up again

Nope. Caan literally admits the reality bomb failing would always have happened. He confesses to only helping the doctor. He only sped things up.

If it was Davros who was responsible for the Reality Bomb, Russell should have had him controlling the Daleks. There is precedent for that (Remembrance) and it's never really explained how Davros went from creating a new race of Daleks from his own cells to becoming their 'pet' locked away in the dungeon. The Daleks do very little in Journey's End, and the few things they do get to do are underwhelming, especially compared to the action-packed Stolen Earth It still doesn't make sense why there would be controls in the literal prison floor of the Dalek mothership that could in any way influence individual Dalek casings. Again, it would have made sense if it was Davros' control room, and he was in charge of the Daleks and installed those controls as a potential failsafe in case they betrayed him, but again, the lack of proper explanation debases this idea You can't blame Moffat for bringing the Daleks back. He had just become showrunner of Doctor Who, he quite rightly refused to allow his creativity to be bound by his predecessor. It's entirely Russell's fault for blowing his load and refusing to clean up the mess And yes, I know that Rose destroying the Dalek was in Stolen Earth, it's the worst scene of the episode

@@dalekbumps The Daleks are happy for Davros to have created them, but with not let him rule them as he is not a Dalek. When the reality bomb fails, the Supreme assumes Davros has betrayed them. The issue with having Davros in any story, is that it automatically takes the Daleks from centre stage.

@@dalekbumps I just assumed that the Supreme was a legitimate Time War Dalek that was rescued by Caan along with Davros- that would explain why the other Daleks were not loyal to Davros (the Supreme forced him to create them and forbade him making them loyal to him).

Those are some really good points

@Dalek Bumps Thanks! To your point, I do have some issues with how Donna and the Metacrisis were handled. They seemed more like plot devices than actual characters. And the Metacrisis seemed to have just been a way to give a budget Doctor to Rose. Even Billie Piper wasn't happy with how it was handled. And they could've used some more build-up to not devalue Davros and the Daleks.

Yeah Terry Molloy's review of this story is pretty scathing, even more so than this review of mine, but I can't blame him. Davros basically is a pantomime villain in this episode, I really like Julian Bleach as Davros in Series 9 but the way he hams it up in this episode doesn't do it for me. Whenever Michael Wisher or Terry Molloy's Davros started ranting, they would take on a Dalek-like voice, almost as if a fragment of the Dalek personality is part of Davros himself. When Julian Bleach's Davros starts ranting, he just sounds like a generic crazy maniacal villain.

@@dalekbumps i actually adore bleach's two performances as davros, but he's carrying the character almost entirely on his own in journey's end. the script does nothing to back him up so it's a testament to his acting and the costuming that he remains even remotely compelling imo

@@superscrungus that's very true, all the best things about Davros in Series 4 are in the performance from Bleach and the costume design. The script doesn't do him any favours. Series 9's opening two-parter might be a mess but the Davros/Doctor scenes are golden, Julian Bleach really shines in that episode

Usually that isn't the case, but this episode certainly seems to imply otherwise

Nah, they still have the manipulator arm.

I am definitely being harsh on Journey's End. It had a lot to live up to, and in my opinion, it dropped the ball in a big way. My issues with Journey's End are basically universal, this is a Dalek-focused channel I didn't really mention many of the non-Dalek problems I have with this episode. Donna's departure is contrived and makes no sense. She had the Doctor's mind in her mind, meaning she was as smart as he was (if not smarter.) What gives him the right to rip that away? She was intelligent enough to make her own decision, and she chose to stay as she was. He ripped that away from her. Yeah, he did it to ultimately save her life, but that wasn't his decision to make. It feels wrong, it looks wrong, it is wrong. I wonder if part of the reason why Donna is returning in the 60th is so Russell can address this issue, because it is probably one of the most uncomfortable scenes in Doctor Who - she says no, but he doesn't take no for an answer. That's not good at all. Martha also gets shafted in this finale. You'd think that, after everything she went through in Series 3, she would have more to do in this story other than trying to blow up the Earth. You'd think that she'd at least have a scene with Rose, but no. I wrote the script of this video assuming that there's a scene with Martha, Rose and Donna together in one shot, that's why I wrote "Rose, Martha and Donna all meet". Then when I was editing the video, I realised that she doesn't even get any scenes with them. She's basically included in this episode because "well, she has to do something, I guess" and it's poor. Martha is my favourite RTD companion and I've always hated the fact that she gets the sticky end of the gunstick in this episode. And there's lots of other things too. I touched on it in the video, but how does Captain Jack have his defabricator back? Why does Davros' paper-thin assertion that the Doctor 'turns people into weapons' actually seem to work? Why does Donna get turned into yet another 'most important woman in the universe' plot device? I guess the main reason why I'm so harsh on Journey's End is that lots of fans look back on the RTD era as this impeccable golden age, to which neither the Moffat or Chibnall eras can compare. While I agree that the RTD era is great, and is often much better than the Moffat and Chibnall eras as a whole, Journey's End is basically an example of a bloated, overblown fanwank. Moffat's finales might have been overstuffed, but at least they were character-focused. Chibnall's episodes might be poorly-written, but at least he respects the Daleks. Journey's End is the culmination of the RTD era, that's for sure - it represents the pinnacle of its highs, and its lows. And while the good stuff is good, the bad stuff is some of the worst Doctor Who - and the Daleks - has ever seen.

So why did they need a big silly bomb? Davros should have saved himself the trouble of harvesting cells from his own body to make new Daleks and just focused on building the bomb

Oh but you see, TiEm CraCk aNNd UNit EErazEd EVerY1’s *memories.* so it makes sense now

@@GreaterGrievobeast55 was meaning prior to series 5/Moffat, the specials era , the world being completely normal after a world changing alien invasion is ridiculous, kids and parents at the park come on!

@@theentity5201 it's a classic case of a Doctor Who showrunner wanting their cake and eating it too. Russell seemed to really love the idea of Daleks invading Earth (to the extent that he used the same idea for 3 finales) but he didn't want to bother dealing with the fallout. As much as I find the 'cracks in time erased everything' excuse to be flimsy and stupid, I can't blame Moffat for at least trying to return to the status quo. If I were showrunner, I'd have the 'everyone keeps forgetting alien invasions' be incorporated into a storyline. Have it be that UNIT, or some other organisation, are deliberately altering people's memories. Maybe have an important character / companion be someone who lost a loved one during a Dalek invasion, and can't understand why so few people on Earth can't even remember them. Maybe have like a L.I.N.D.A. setup, where small groups of 'conspiracy theorists' meet to talk about how they all remember events that everyone else has forgotten. The choice that the Doctor has to make is - destroy the means by which UNIT (or whoever) is modifying people's memories, freeing the population but also causing chaos and existential dread, or leave things as they are with the knowledge that peace is being maintained by taking away people's agency. I reckon it would be an interesting story, and I'm surprised it hasn't been done already

@@dalekbumpsI’d have wider implications. UNIT mass-erasing minds has caused humanity’s development to significantly stagnate. By denying what’s happened, they are unable to move forward.

I would like if the emperor and supreme were in an episode together. After all they are both part of the dalek hierarchy

Did you not see Resolution? Where a single Dalek is shown to be a threat again, the likes of which we hadn't seen since 'Dalek' in 2005? Or Revolution of the Daleks, where two factions of Daleks lay waste to Earth? Even Eve of the Daleks, a supposedly comedic story, presented the Daleks as more intimidating than they had been for the past 10 years

@@darlig.ulv.bakhjerne that dalek is resolution looked ridiculous and got defeated by a primitive human tribe in the beginning of the episode. The bad cgi didn't help its case either

​@@Warriorx269 it wasn't defeated by a 'tribe', it was defeated by the combined forces of three of the most powerful armies on Earth at the time, and even then it slaughtered all but three of them, and was only defeated thanks to a trap Bearing in mind Classic Who had Daleks being defeated by Ancient Egyptians with rocks, and primitive Exxilons with sticks, it's not bad by any means All big-scale Dalek episodes have bad CGI, it's just par for the course at this point. it's like complaining about the TARDIS being blue, pointless and non-constructive It sounds like you're just biased against the episode, it's a fun and engaging Dalek romp that puts every Moffat-era Dalek story to shame

Dude there's no way you can say that when the Dalek in Resolution mauled two officers to death, than proceeded to blown up a army squad, than proceed to murder everyone in a communications center for craps and giggle... Crap before hand, it only managed to be defeated by the army because the survivors were able to firgure out a way to trap and destroy it's casing.

The Reality Bomb turning people into dust doesn't make the Daleks seem intimidating, it makes them seem ineffectual. As I said in the review - the only reason why the Daleks would build a weapon like that would be because they realised they weren't capable of conquering the universe themselves. They essentially made themselves obsolete. The reality bomb takes agency away from the Daleks. If the Daleks had gathered a group of people into a room and gunned them down, that would be scary. But having Daleks defer to another weapon to do their job for them makes them seem weak and stunts their fear factor. I have the exact same issue with the Daleks using a giant ceiling cannon to destroy the TARDIS in Series 9, when a Dalek with a huge cannon is literally sat right there in the control room. The Doctor's companions do not need weapons in order to be effective. And the only reason why the anti-Dalek guns were needed so much in the story is because the writers wrote them in. It's just a lazy way to dispose of Daleks that makes the Daleks seem weak. The ironic thing is, Journey's End contains an example of how to write a companion being useful against the Daleks without using a huge gun. Captain Jack, Mickey, Jackie and Sarah Jane are able to wire up a device to sabotage the Crucible. It's one of my favourite parts of the episode because it's a clever idea that doesn't resort to 'I've got a big gun - Daleks go boom' And yeah the deus-ex-machina ending of The Parting of the Ways is really cheesy and definitely does the Daleks a disservice, but I'm more forgiving of that because a) Parting of the Ways depicted the Daleks as extremely powerful and effective (without needing a Reality Bomb or people with anti-Dalek guns) and b) It was the first time Russell had used a silly deus-ex-machina like that to defeat the Daleks. Using the same trick again in Doomsday was pushing it a bit, and using it for a third time in Journey's End is just cheap

@@dalekbumps although i do that yes the whole deus ex machina is a bit over used. i still disagree because if there was no reality bomb and its just the daleks destroying everything then the story would just be daleks invading earth with no plan. without the reality bomb there would be no plan and because of this the story would make no sense if there was no conflict the daleks are using. also you could also say that in steven moffats time of the doctor has a deus ex machina moment against the daleks. and also when the daleks were in time of the doctor. they didn't even use any super weapon they just attacked with no plan.

@@emperordalek102 with the Daleks, there doesn't really need to be a plan other than cause destruction and exterminate people, it's their primary function And yes the deus-ex-machina issue of Dalek stories is a result of the fact that they've become ridiculously overpowered in New Who That's why I'm quite fond of Chibnall's Dalek stories, he's made the Dalek defeats much more conventional (melting the Dalek with a microwave, blowing up a Dalek ship, destroying them with explosives etc) and that makes the stories feel more grounded