Yeah the son looks no older than 18-19, no way he’s an NCR ranger

They were lead farmers. The armour was scavenged.

That armour was never originally NCR ranger armour - it’s a pre-war riot control suit, you can find it in a pre-war veterans supply cache and US army equipment lockers in New Vegas. Presumably the NCR copied/modified/replicated that design for their elite rangers

​@@donovanchau3483Yeah, no kid would ever be indoctrinated, it isn't like the brother was literally part of the remnants, that father couldn't be a former Ranger or anything, I'msurr they are completely unrelated to the NCR. /s In reality seeing young people identify and be radicalized shows us that these ideas are still ongoing rather than being purely pre-war. It is in notable contrast to Vault-Tec where their identity is entirely Pre-War. There are modern Vault inhabitants, but none of them are in on the secret. It's literally the subtext.

The implications are that after the fall of Shady Sands the NCR mostly fell apart and created a power vacuum filled by the various factions in the wastelands. The govermint scene was played for laughs, but it was really interesting how the small parts of the story explain larger seemingly unconnected parts.

I think House AI is the way to go, but finding the courier would be pretty neat too

So Yes Man is Canon?

Hope that never happens... What's the use of roleplaying when your character is going to be canonically different anyway.... Its called RPG "Role playing Game" if they add a canon then whats the point in roleplaying??? They should write the next chapter of new Vegas in a way that can make EVERYONES VERSION of the courier viable rather than just lazily giving a canon The elder scrolls does this way better as non of the events happening after its games contradict whoever your character is in the previous games If your Hero of Kvatch was a Dark brotherhood member non of the games o books after like skyrim or the books by Greg Keyes contradict it.... Fallout doesn't have that Luxury if they introduce and canonize the courier

@@ByrgenworthGraduate It happened in every game so far (except NV). Do you really believe someone's "I side with the Enclave and sabotage the Capital Wasteland's water supply is still possible after playing Fallout 4?

@@ByrgenworthGraduate Because it is still fun to

we could try another, the problem is that the silo in West Verginia is probably empty at this point in time

​@@justnoob8141West Virginia

You don't want that 😤😤😤

@@mtndew4746 mountain momma

Not our fault Juicehead's got brain worms.

because he's lying.

@@neanderthalknight9417 nope

New Vegas stans are not good at paying actual attention to things because all of their energy is put towards immediately hating anything that isn't New Vegas.

What year is the show actually set in?

@@wesleyknox8031 2296

@@wesleyknox80312296

​@@wesleyknox8031 2296

Yep, they pretty much reduced New Vegas to a fallout 4 settlement in the tv series. No monorail, no Freeside, no camp McCarren, they even forgot about the massive fort that the Followers stayed in. It's a lot more than half that went missing.

Shh, don't user logic with Todd Howard bootlickers, they'll just call you a rabid fans and drown you in replies

Well it wasn’t taken place in Nevada…it was in L.A. California…new Vegas was shown for 10 seconds.

The show stated numerous times they’re in California. Ofc you’re not going to see a ton of new Vegas stuff

New Atlantic City.

Assuming anyone asked Todd about lore changes, he would've okayed it without missing a beat. The same thing happened when Emil changed something(I don't remember what) with the Dark Brotherhood in Oblivion. He asked Todd, but Todd didn't care. Nobody at Bethesda cares about lore or continuity.

​@Mirthful_Midori yeah, at best they follow general guidelines. To be fair though, there's a *lot* of various details. I'm not excusing them failing to keep them consistent. I'm just saying that I can understand the frustration that would likely result from trying to keep everything right all the time and the temptation to just say "Screw it! It's close enough!" Oh, or they could misremember details while being completely certain that they got it right. Especially since they're working on so many other details to make the game and all the features work right. I'd love see a final product after all of the lore had been dug through with a fine tooth comb to insure it was all accurate. Like a total remastering of the series from the beginning.

Hopefully, the following seasons will have "16 times" the episodes!

As a black and homosexual transgender African American muslim. Im offended by lack of diversity in this show.

@@Mirthful_Midori Only thing I can think of that's significantly different is the worship of Sithis, which isn't commented on in Morrowind iirc, and the Night Mother being the leader of the Morrowind chapter of the Dark Brotherhood and is a human. You kill her either by just running across her in the Daedric ruin she's in or if you join the Morag Tong they send you after her.

700k was the number of NCR citizens during fallout 2 beffore integrating new Reno vault city arroyo redding By the Time of new Vegas it should be well over a million.

Not to mention that the TV show proves that the courier was being retarded when they told Ulysses that a nuke wouldn't be enough to take out the NCR because it's too big and decentralized.

Retconned, no. But it's still stupid. Nuking their capital city would still cripple them in the short term at LEAST. I think you're forgetting that they're surrounded on every side by hostiles who will invade the moment the NCR has a weak moment. While they're figuring out how to fix themselves, they'll lose massive territory on every front. It might be too much for them to even recover from. The nuking of shady sands, while not a retcon, is essentially the end of the new California Republic as the dominant wasteland government. Which is STUPID. Sure, Go ahead. Destroy some of the only civilization left in the whole fucking known west 🙄 because every fallout fan is just clamoring for endless wasteland and tribalism and vaults forever

The bomb broke the camels back. The NCR was overextended, undersupplied and corrupt among other things The show implies the brotherhood took advantage of the chaos, left their bunkers and mopped up the NCR remnants.

Well they needed to destroy the lore of New vegas in a clever way where it wouldn't look like outright hatered and wanted a "sympathetic" villian, NCR can easily fit both.

It has certainly made a particular sect of fallout fans rather rabid. Liked the show for the most part, but if they HAD to nuke shady, they could of at least given us a specific time

biggest problem is the location because shady sands is not in LA/Boneyard

I was shocked that is was so good. I thought they were going to make Lucy into a mary sue, but she was a real person with success and failure!!!

​@@grbenwayshe kind of is a Mary Sue under the standards of the vault. But when she gets out into the real world she realized it's pretty much everything she was told and trained to do is kind of worthless.

7/10 for me

I think Lucy was more focused on finding her father instead of exploring every location so the gamers can be like OH MY GOD ITS THE PLACE FROM THE GAME. Why would she go to those places that don't matter in her mission.

the entrance to Vault 33 is above ground. The Master didn't find it when he was looking for Vault Dwellers?

I got the feeling that the show "moved" Shady Sands to the area of what should be the Boneyard.

@@YungBeezer he cant just break into a vault, no vaults have been busted into.

@@unlostmaniac8735 if you take to long to stop the Master he literally breaks into your vault and kidnaps everyone.

iirc the enclave is even more dead at this point then the BoS is? The enclave probably should not have the resources for expeditions like that.

The enclave is more dead than ncr or bos

fallout 1 2 and nv are no longer lore

@@toddharig8142 but the scientist is enclave so how do they have the recourses for a research facility literally creating cold fusion and dog experiments, but no guards or military, that doesn't make sense

@@TheSkyrimps3 clearly shown in the show they have a research facility, so they have resources and are still around

Lore-wise the Enclave is not extinct, in a sense that there isn't a central executive command, however there is the "Enclave Hight Command" mentioned in FO3 Broken Steel, apparently it is in Chicago

Shady Sands should be well over 100 miles away from LA aka the Boneyard. Moving it that far makes no sense

@@genesisr90It doesn’t rly matter tho? Same with seeing the other cities, the point is that the NCR is mostly gone, and sure we don’t know why yet but how much you wanna bet that it’ll be explained in the future? Y’all making a big deal outta not seeing a few cities is crazy, this is season one and those other cities have nothing to do with the plot at all. Chances are they don’t exist anymore since the NCR fell, so until we see what exactly happened to the NCR to cause the whole faction to fall, then those cities are unimportant. Also to make it clear I meant the NCR mostly fell in the area around Los Angeles, for all we know there is an active NCR presence in other areas, it make sense for them to pull outta that area after shady sands, they probably knew that what happened there could very well happen again if they stayed. Hence why we only see remnants and not a largely NCR presence in LA

"Was Shady Sands; Most folks call it NCR now. New California Republic - pretty impressive name, huh?" - Tandi in Fallout 2 , the fact that people refer to Shady Sands in New Vegas almost 100 years after it was renamed in 2186 was in and of itself a retcon. I'm choosing to believe at some point they renamed the Boneyard to Shady Sands in honor of the NCR, afterall the Boneyard predates Shady Sands, much less the NCR, so them renaming it makes sense, especially for an empire in decline.

"shady sands is between vaults 13 and 15" Shady sands move around from game to game. Even it's founding date changes from game to game. Every Fallout game have problems with that the lore is all over the place.

​@@MxChloeB42 They didn't rename it. The flashback has obelisk and well from Shady Sands. Also Lucy said she was 6, when Shady Sands was destroyed and that she had 10 years of cousin stuff. The show takes place in 2296, so if the stuff started when she was 15 at least, she is 25 in the show and it puts the nuke in 2278.

I don't believe it's that petty of a reasoning as some speculate, either. Proof or indicator: Look at how they messed up parts of Starfield, their very own IP. It's just the Beth-way at times...

I don't think Bethseda hates New Vegas, they just don't consider it canon. Todd Howard is a control freak and he had nothing to do with New Vegas.

Bethesda didn't write this show. The writer's are canonizing the Mr. House ending. House has no regard for NCR lives, he wouldn't be against the nuking 2 of their states.

​@@jiffypoo5029you guys have poor comprehension skills. THE SHOW IS CANON OK? THE SHOW DEPICTED NEW VEGAS. NEW VEGAS IS CANON. Fallout Amazon's writer's are using the lore of FO1, FO2, AND FO:NV. They use the design of 3 and 4, and that's about it.

Funny enough, Chris Avellone wanted the Lonesome Road dlc ending in where Ulysses nukes both The NCR and The Legion to be canon, but Bethesda said no.

So unfortunate to have such a great IP ruined by incompetent writers …

@@UploadsfortheSoulget a job?

^ This guy gets it.

Yeah, best thing they can do is go in the first ep, show someone going in the Board, saying like "wow this is wrong" and changing the date. Everyone happy.

Fall of shady sands...arrow point instead of straight line to a BIG MUSHROOM CLOUD basically saying this is what happened. Alot of people in that vault were former residents after all

He said it in the middle of the video, they probably wanted to keep the date vague so they have flexibility with the lore as they write the second season, and they messed up by making it kinda look like the last two parts were the same thing

@@shaeisgae8952 True, but people can't retroactivley go "See! See! We were right all along!" Not with any degree of credability. Because, right now the signs point to "Fall of" being synonymous with getting nuked. And no ammount of "Ah ha, but what about The Fall of Rome!" gotcha. Which, even then, you'd have specific " From X to Y" dates. And The sacking of Rome, would start on a specific day (even thoughbthe sacking might take many days, weeks or months to complete). It's why, "The Fall of Reach" despite taking some time, one generally thinks "When Reach was abandoned and glassed" to be when it "fell". Just like going "So why does nobody mention Arthur Morgan, who was only created well after RDR1, for RDR2 which is a prequel‽"

Exactly, by definition a remnant can't be a part of the same organisation.

The NCR definitely still exist, but their control over the area has significantly dwindled, even before Shady Sands was nuked. Their focus on the Mojave Wasteland would've resulted in their decline hence how it said the date 2277 (Same year as the First Battle of Hoover Dam)

Honestly I would be way more upset if the NCR is still around come season 2. I'm fine accepting they're going in a different direction and changing stuff even if it's kind of poorly explained. But the show makes no sense if the NCR is still around. How would they go an entire season never mentioning the greatest nation since the great war which would be presumably not that far away even if this area is independent after the bomb? Why would the NCR not still be in control of this area if it's still around? These would have been events almost everyone we see has lived through, and no one mentions what's going on with them even in passing reference? Trade with the NCR would still be massive, I would expect the NCR troops to be present here just like the Brotherhood is or like the NCR was in the Mojave? The NCR still being around just doesn't make sense from what they have shown and moreso from what hasn't been shown.

I assume that the main government or its successor has retreated to the inner parts of its territories and on the outside there are its remnants that did not retreat or members of the old regime and the new split has retreated tactically.

The very definition of the word "remnant" implies part of something is still PRESENT in some shape or form.

my theory is that with the capital moving, the NCR sort of didn’t care about shady sands, and the group we see is just a offshoot/cult, and that they wrongly consider themselves as official NCR. which would explain their lack of official NCR gear (most of it was nuked into atoms). sort of like the brotherhood outcasts. it makes sense that after the NCR’s overall decline and being stretched thin, they couldn’t coordinate moving hundreds of survivors across the wasteland or they didn’t even bother to try to help them. who know if there were more survivors who made the journey to the new capital

shady sands became an after thought to the NCR with vegas and everything, and the group we see in the show is a cult that has nothing to do with official NCR

Could have been an powerstruggle from with in what broke the NCR at some point, why they left Shady Sands, what mostlikely contribute to the stagnation of the town, or even the total collapse of the town, where it more or less became a Bandit camp, could be a reason why it got nuked in the first place, well we know who did the nuking, but could have been becuse he knew that one day they will attack the Vault.

Lets say that the NCR would stay intact, how long before they have civilized the entire of North America? Then what, what kind of Fallout games would we have then? No it was a mistake to create the NCR, this is also why the Brotherhood of Steel alway have to fail, because if they didn't then.... Civilization, I'll stay right here....

Although you have a valid point, please do remember that this tv-show probably had a fairly limited budget. That final BoS vs NCR skirmish likely strained the budget a lot. I'm not even sure they had more than one suit of power armor for the show. I assume season 2 will get a larger budget, but still, don't expect any large scale battles.

Considering all the overseers have been vault 31 it's possible they unfreeze them periodically, maybe let them live in 32 or 33 for a while, and then take them back in the triennial trade

@@robbierootbeer8056 that's definitely possible. I don't think we know exactly how many people are in there either, the math could work. Hopefully they address it in season 2

tbf, vault 111 was more of an experiment on the actual people who bought the vaults, while 31(and 32, 33) was an experiment between the old world people from vault 33 controlling 31 and 32

Vault 111 froze it's inhabitants to see how pre war people would react to conditions centuries later. Vault 31 froze large sections of Vault tec management to act as future overseers for 32 and 33. Very different experiments.

but the other way around, if it was nukes, they could've written "descruction of shady sands" there's alot more fitting words to describe getting nuked than "fall"

Seconded. When you utter the words "The Fall of Pearl Harbor" nobody thinks about the years of aggression and provocation between The US and Japan starting in 1937, like the attack on the USS Panay, the Allison Incident or the Nanking Massacre. No, every single person thinks of December 7th 1941 and the Destruction of Pearl Harbor. "We don't actually talk about the moment of something we talk about the decades that preceeded that moment" seems like copium to me.

No? Falls can take a long time and still be called a fall. The slow decline of Rome is called the Fall of the Western Roman Empire, the alternative "Fall of Rome," can additionally be used to describe that decline. Its not describing the fall of the City of Rome itself, because Rome got _sacked_ during the Fall of Western Roman Empire, and wasn't really destroyed, unlike the power of the Roman government and Empire. "Decline" and "Fall" are relatively interchangeable when it comes to dealing with the events pre total destruction. The Fall of Shady Sands most likely began in 2277, when the NCR began its intervention in the Mojave. Much like how the Fall of the Western Roman Empire truly began in 382 after they failed to repel the invading Gothic peoples. Think of it like this: When a person jumps off of a building, the whole thing is described as a fall. Not the moment when they get off the roof, not the in between, and certainly not the impact. It's more or less the same with nations and cities. Rome as a city may have fallen in one day, but Rome as a nation had been falling long before that. Pinning the fall of something as large as the Roman Empire to one day is not only factually in accurate, it downplays the importance of the events that lead up to it, and actually does a disservice to not only Roman history, but history itself.

@@ez-bakeoven6797I’m sorry but are you a historian or just another gen z loud mouth thinking the world revolves around them?

​@@jetri_co Im honestly convinced the fallout tv show devs dont know how to english

Exactly and if you progress it too far it loses the appeal of being a post-apocalyptic wasteland. I'd rather everything stay relatively disheveled than a rebuild take place, the latter is less interesting.

Then why are franchises with complex cultures and government structures so much more common? An anarchic wasteland isn't easier to write, especially since the series *did* contain politics and intrigue.

That’s my problem with Bethesda’s fallout on the east coast and not on the west coast is that it’s perpetual anarchy

This is what made the later seasons of Walking Dead so shitty. I do not want to watch a normal civilized place that happens to be in a wasteland

The show is looking to use the franchise to appeal to a larger audience, so starting with a still apocalyptic mess makes sense. You don't make a tv adaptation of a show about rebuilding the world after the nukes dropped and start with an established government

The next game is taking place in LA, Bethesda is just removing the ncr or severely depowering them as they dont wanna deal with a functional state in a fallout game. Thats where they are gone

@@Brother_Rony They wanted the show to stay away from where the next game takes place. Its not gonna be in LA

I think the people at the observatory are definitely ncr they wave the flag in the fight with the brotherhood

Personally I think they began to crumble and simply don't have a bunch of presence in California itself but may have some presence in Colorado, Oregon, Mexico, or Washingston state

There is a very good chance that the Southern Territories of the NCR might have fallen to the waste after shady sands shook up the NCR, I personally think that the North is still strong NCR territory but they had to let the south basically fall or leave inorder to keep stability in the Northern Territories

They have no idea what they are doing. It’s just a fallout themed post-apocalypse show

@@liaratsoni8556did you even watch it though? He probably confused gulpers with geckos, they look similar, too, after all

Gulpers are from a Fallout 4 Add on called Far Harbor, The Island is one area you can find them.

Speaking of animal there are barely any mutated animals. Just radroaches, 1 yao guai, and the gulper, where are they?

There should be a bunch of rad scorpions

Everyone just seems to forget stuff for the plot brotherhood is the best for it they just forget about the other rookie and don't question or discipline the guy for giving the wrong head

In episode 1, Moldaver does not come from vault 31 she and her raiders come from vault 32. Moldaver was never a vault-tec employee hence why Hank would never recognise her during the first episode.

@@antondas1018He did recognize her, but only after the attack. Before that point, he had no reason to believe anything was wrong, and clearly didn’t look at her too closely. That’s a very human error. And we have no reason to assume Hank is incapable of a mistake like this.

@@calvinjohnson6242 Not to mention its been like 20 years at least and a nuclear war later so he probably forgot people long ago

They said the overseer had recently died, so it’s plausible that they elected a new one before they couldn’t insert a new 31 to become overseer

Yea most likely up north where the rest of the major cities in the NCR. The new capital is most likely either The Hub, Arroyo, Vault City, New Reno, or possibly San Francisco.

Probably San Francisco, it is up north, it is on the coast and is deep in NCR territory

Yeah, the problem with that is the NCR military doesn't appear anywhere in their own territory, and are never mentioned to exist, beyond some rag-tag group of nobodies.

No they nuked Shady and emptied New Vegas to spite people like me. They haven't written a good game since Oblivion, Fallout 3 was not great hence why nobody deep dives the lore. Skyrim had almost nothing in it besides repetitive dungeons, repetitive dragon fights and the occasional main quest with an interesting character. Again, nobody is deep diving that lore since it's release, because most of it is non-existent or just straight up completely boring. The copium from all of you is so hard, they did this to spite people. No more, no less. This same group of people who signed off on this show, also signed off on giving me a plastic bag and plastic bottle, in place of the actual ones I ordered and paid for. The very same who said 16x the detail and it just works, before releasing Fallout 76 to the public at full AAA price... Stop copium huffing and accept reality. They weren't catering to Fallout fans, they were catering to TV consumers, nothing more. All they cared about was money, same as always. If Bethesda had released Starfield, we would be looking at liquification right now. Microsoft saved them at great cost to themselves, and either they need F5 or TES6 to come out in the next 18 months, or they don't have a leg to stand on at the coming board meetings. Microsoft don't care about us, even less than Bethesda the greed merchants do. Stop trusting them, they've run the IP into the ground, modders have saved it. The game is unplayable because of crashes to this day, it's taken them 5 years to make a patch to fix the performance issues with one of the biggest development teams in the entire industry. Stop trusting them, it feels so good to be in reality over here, trust me.

yeah i feel like the fall of shady is actually Maldaver taking over, NCR wasted a ton of resources and man power trying to get hoover dam and then theres this woman that just knows how to get them infinite power? that surly would cause people to get mad. maybe they tossed out NCR politicians for Maldaver to be their new NCR leader and theyre more of a unofficial NCR group than the main faction? not sure, but Maldaver showing up at shady 2277 and then a while later its nuked doesnt seem to be a coincidence to me

Anyone with any interest in the mod would already be aware of this news, Its also something they are happy about so they dont have to release a jury-rigged widescreen patch and can use the one that will be coming in the new patch

It’s also pc only so Xbox and PlayStation will not be able to experience.

​@@deadshot9946I already guessed that was going to be the case

Seriously? Screw the new fallout 4 update I wanted to play the mod...

So now we all suffer more wait because of a few idiots. Makes sense.

Then don't watch the show. With its success, you won't be missed.

​@@brandonr8269If you think that Todd is doing a good job with this show by destroying New Vegas, retconning already established lore, nuking Shady Sands and once again giving the brotherhood of steel (his version from Fallout 3 which is not even the real Brotherhood) the main spotlight while also screwing over the NCR because he is too much of a narcissistic brotherhood fan even though the NCR by actual lore has a large amount of resources and troops and weapons and military power and several territories compared to the isolationist, xenophobic techo-fetishist tribe of Power Armor wearing murderous bigoted fanatics who would gladly kill anyone that is either against them, doesn't give them their technology or non-human, then i'm sorry, you're an idiot.

YOU have read my mind. This show is just Todd's BOS fanboy fan fiction.

@@KatKat32 That's the mojave's Ncr

Yes, although, from a marketing, PR and financial aspect I absolutely see why. Make all lore Bethesda bc FO1 & FO2 fans they lost after Fallout 3, we play Wasteland or Underail type RPGS, they lost FNV fans (their biggest critics) after Fallout 4 so why cater to them? Get the normies who watch their show while scrolling Tik Tok since paying attention is difficult for them. Pull them in with naked cult chants like they did in college & on weekends for stupid causes. Put in sexual fetishes like watersports, vore & incest like their hidden browser history & make elementary school jokes like 'He showed me his butthole'

True

fallout babies go WAH WAH WAH. accept that the script is being changed or stop consuming the media. we still got something good and all u guys do is complain. grow up, make ur own dang game

@@secretagentcatyour a dumbass

@@secretagentcat If fans didn't keep stories consistent, the stories would lose all meaning. It's objectively dumb and pointing out that people can choose to not partake doesn't change that.

They aren't ruining your hobbies for profits but warped morals.

Probably at the very least they are just the North, basically the NCR is split in half

There literally no evidence for that.

@@baneofbanes On the Wiki it says that in 2241 (40 years before Vegas and the bombing of Shady Sands), that the population was above ~700,000, given a good population growth well over a million people is about right

@@orionriftclan2727 yah that’s not what I’m talking about. The show makes no reference to the NCR surviving dude. And as they the doves said the show wasn’t made with fans in mind, it was made for people with no prior knowledge of the setting.

Yeah but it’s the complete lack of NCR presences that irks me. Southern California is the heart labd of the NCR and there’s no NCR?

Evidence? According to the Fallout founder Kim Kaine this is not the case.

@@pmpowalisz the master would have raided the new vaults added by the tv show as would the enclave. Shady sands avoided both by being far from the coast.

Touch grass ffs

Are you dense

There is a major difference. We as fans say make independent stories in the same universe so they did instead of what the Witcher did which was rewrite the story.

Brain dead take. The witcher show was not following the game, they were following the book. With the author's blessing mind you. Book Witcher and game Witcher is 2 entirely different thing.

​@@ILikeIcedCoffeewhat about todd Howard saying all the series is canon? They destroyed the lore of the previous games and you are happy about it? Shameful

THIS! Everyone is misinterpreting the argument, when we say Todd Howard hates Fallout New Vegas, we mean this is what he hates. He dislikes the idea of a wasteland where there is thriving well established factions who could have laws or territory in their control, like what we saw with the NCR and the Legion. Instead people are saying “oh Todd likes new Vegas, he had sunset sarsaparilla in an episode!” That’s not what we mean.

@@Tabrazt Or, perhaps, the showrunners are going off the idea that the NCR and House/The Courier had a war in New Vegas that utterly destroyed it? It's not like the NCR was doing well by the time of New Vegas.

@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 But the Enclave that was nuked into oblivion twice by now is alive and quicking with everyone casually mentioning their existance. No, Bethesda clearly cherrypicks factions that are isolationists and don't really drive the restoration of civillization foward, they want to keep the Wasteland empty and barren for that post-apocalypse trope. Now they even made Vault-tec into a Marvel villain organization that will make sure to keep the wasteland the Bethesda way. For example, in Fallout 4 there was only one faction that wanted to make progress to quickstart civillization in the region again, and it was the Minutemen, the most barebones and boring faction in the game.

Exactly,all the consoomers shouting from the top of their lungs *"NEW VEGAS IS STILL CANON!!! TODD HOWARD LOVES NEW VEGAS!!"* fail to realize that the events in FNV are now irrelevant (final scene showing New Vegas in ruins) and contradictory (Shaddy Sands nuked or "falling" in 2077 and not a single NPC mentioning that ingame).

@@alexandreutiyama547 The Enclave are the remains of the US Government, of course they're going to be able to rebound from being nuked twice. The US is a massive country full of various military installations. Nations fall and fail to live up to their dreams. Nothing lasts forever. Vault-Tec were NEVER good people. Even as far back as Fallout 1, they were up to no good. While the Minutemen were the most barebones, it could be said that the Minutemen are that way because of what they're meant to be.

the ones from the airship are likely from the commonwealth/DC

What the above comment said. The Brotherhood has other chapters and they could move in to take the place of the lost ones

They aren't in new vegas they are in california

power vaccum after shady sands got nuked

Powerful? They clearly state that the brotherhood (at least this one chapter) is pretty much in shambles and the leadership is not any better, just look at the soldiers, all looking like walking bone bags for what is supposed to be a major military force. That's why the elder is basically looking to start from the ground up with maximus after finding the cold fusion reactor.

fallout 4 retconned that though, with the new PA system. But you could argue Nate has military experience, so... idk.

In Fallout 1 & 2 power armor didn’t require any training. It’s funny that you are acting like the show or fallout 4 retconned power armor when it’s actually fallout 3 $ New Vegas that retconned it.

@@user-wi4cs8sg8q yeah you def needed training in fallout 1. 2 maybe not since you were the chose one

@@carth531 you say "though" as if he would go "Oh that makes sense then". But that's exactly the thing he's complaining about. That Bethesda retconned some of the lore for Fallout 4. And for a real shallow reason too. They just wanted you to see "Cool power armor". They Retconned the lore so they could spark more dopamine in people, not for a reason that benefits the lore and the universe. And for this reason people are upset. And it's not just fallout, it seems like everything these days. Look at fortnite. It's the most corporate thing you could ever imagine (Hyperbole) but people somehow don't see that. They fall for all the tricks they pull. It's like Diet Coke. They say "We hear you wanting healthy drinks, here it is!" and it's literally worse for you. They took out the sugar and put something worse in it. I wish people would start to see what these companies are doing. It's soulless and it's just trying to take peoples money. And even worse, it's brainwashing people, the fact that all these flashy shows and games are out and they can just forget about reality forever, constantly binging and disassociating from their bodies and their minds, never addressing the reasons why they WANT to escape. So it keeps them complacent in their suffering, not feeling it, and because of their stunted state, they don't want to change anything, and keep giving money to the companies that are ultimately controlling the way that we live and the reality we are experiencing. And I know that sounds far out there and crazy, but it's literally what's happening. It's been happening since Egypt, since the Roman Empire, Since the kingdoms of England, etc. We are finding our way through a sinister system made by sinister people.

@@ronnie9379 ain't reading all that

That's what I was thinking. The Mojave Campaign severely affected the NCR and it also suggests that the NCR weren't successful in taking Hoover Dam.

Yeah. Made me wonder if they took in some raiders who agreed to abide by the rules. You see what looks like actual NCR soldiers in the last battle as well as unarmored people. Begs the question why she chose to take raiders to the vault. Maybe she either 1) wanted to leave the observatory in more capable (NCR) hands or 2) didn't trust NCR soldiers to be down with attacking vault dwellers.

It was literally predicted in New Vegas that during the time the show takes place the NCR will be facing a CRIPPLING FAMINE.

New Vegas also makes it abundantly clear that NCR's glory days are behind her after the first battle of Hoover Dam, supply routes being disrupted, it's military being spread to thin and fears of famine on the horizon.

Yeah some sort of civil War or mass attack, be that by raiders, super mutants or whatever would force them to move the capital. Then the bomb goes off. Also maybe they move the capital in sorta secret. So there’s the birth place shady sands that a lot of people still hold in their hearts as the capital. But the president and all acting member of government have moves else where.

Well he was probably thier because he was considering buying tech form other sources for the madray and it just never went through

@@orionfettes5501 why go to a vault tec meeting discussing the future projections of the company if you're only there to try to land some contracting deal ? It doesn't make sense and with how the majority of the meeting laughed at him during house joke I really doubt he was there an a relations mission

he was there because he was rich and powerful before the bombs. i doubt there is any other reason than 'capitalism bad' with the BS they pulled with vault-tec and that line that went something like 'stupid people call smart people communists'

Sinclair absolutely makes sense, he's a talker, a business man, the team at Big MT are likely not interested in "social calls" of any kind that might slow their feverish research pace, sending their biggest customer/partner as a representative makes some sense, I can just imagine any of them vibrating in their seat appalled how much time is being wasted that could be spent on Science!

That is your gripe? The fact that in ALL the games no one knew who fired first. Aparantly it was Vault-Tec... not Big MT or the Enclave or the chinese, it was Vault-Tec... Everyone is up over their ears about Shady Sands location but not the fact that Vault-Tec started the war :P

It drives me up the wall that some peoples criteria for show quality is: “All chalkboards must be completely accurate to the lore of the source material and have no questionable details.” And not, you know: Characters, music, action, acting, plot, story, themes, set design, costuming, cinematography, tone, humor, dialogue, special effects, pacing, editing…

​@@calvinjohnson6242yup. The show having a messed up canon could very much be one issue, but to treat it as something that completely devalues the show is extreme

It doesn't, issue is Fallout New Vegas stans stupidity never changes

“Half as good” implies it was good at all. I wouldn’t touch the show if you paid me to review it at this point. (Maybe for a six figure check id throw away a few morals)

Its Obviously spite. Todd is doing this for every "Bethesda don't understand Fallout!" and "New Vegas is the best modern Fallout!" he reads. So he will just erase and retcon everything Obsidian/Black Isle did.

@@abnnizzy It might be true, though Im betting its the executives trying to maintain their reputation for what they did with Morrowind whilst doing the complete opposite of what made them successful by appealing to a larger audience

@@danpaz9485 Appealing to a larger audience is fine, they could've done that by respecting the source material anyway but the way execs think is weird. But that still doesn't excuse why they completely retconned extremely simple things like how Ghouls works, timeline of Shady Sands destruction, what happened to the NCR, what the BoS from the west coast is like and all the locations erased from the show (They were in the Boneyard and NEVER even visited The Hub or at least Junktown that is closer, really?). Its all weird. I really loved the actors but I can't like the show.

I just took it that there's multiple offshoot factions of the NCR and Moldaver is welcoming to all of them.

Loved the show. But, how did nobody pick up that the Raiders were irradiated until post coitus. Did they turn their geiger counters off? lol

​@@jacoviewright1260yes they most likely did probably because no one would think that anything radioactive would get inside the vault you know vault dwellers are not that smart except for the ones in 76 I think those are the only smart Vault dwellers or at least the smart ones that are still alive

@user-qg4zb6jt9s I realized after commenting. They are wearing Vault suits, so the rads could have been masked.

@@jacoviewright1260 bro tried mentats for the first time☠️

At the end he does say she stopped being their mother the moment she took them to danger so in his eyes she was definitely dead to him.

Hank is lying, it's revealed in the last episode that he'd been lying about Lucy's mother since she actually survived. The nukes were dropped by Hank and his fellow overseers, to destroy the town of Shady Sands after his wife abandoned him with Lucy and her siblings, so what stops him from lying about this. You can see in the last episode there's a ghoul sitting in the table with them, with her mum's necklace on its neck, then Lucy discovers that's her mother, so no, her mother did not die in that plague or when the nukes dropped, she never died in the first place. The fact that he lied about her dying to the plague, because she "died" to the nukes, doesn't mean the nukes dropped when the supposed plague happened, that's just not even coherent, the nukes could've dropped after the plague, and she could've died to the nukes after the plague that she did survive, Hank doesn't have to be lying about the plague's date, just the event to which she "died". Hank saying the date of the plague, and NOT denying the nukes, just gives more support to the theory that he isn't lying about the plague date, and therefore the plague's date is NOT a cover-up to excuse either her mother's death or the nukes. Also if we assume that Hank wasn't making up the whole plague thing, then by using logic we can assume that a nuked town can't go through a plague, so Shady Sands must have suffered the plague first, and then got blown sky-high. Giving extra support to the opposite argument of what you're saying, which would be that the Nuke couldn't have gone off in that date because it is contradictory to what Hank says, is logically wrong, and would imply a retcon. So the odds are against this being a retcon. The fact that the nuke date isn't clarified doesn't really mean anything, you'd be assuming then that Hank wasn't lying about the dates, which he could anyways. Besides, the fact that Hank admits that nukes did destroy the town, but still says there was a plague shows that he isn't lying about the plague to cover up the nukes (which would be the only reason he'd lie about the plague and make it up) if he wanted to lie he would've avoided mentioning the nukes, instead just saying that there was a plague and that killed her mother. The Plague and Nukes clearly happened, and they clearly didn't happen before or during 2277, since Fallout New Vegas says nothing about that, all of this must've happened after 2277 assuming it wasn't retconned. It was either a writing mistake, or Hank had the intention of lying, and made up the dates or got certain events mixed. I'm guessing as a conclusion that Hank actually thought that the bombs had really killed Lucy's mother, so that leads me to believe that blaming it all on the plague, but acknowledging the nukes means both events happened, the plague happened before the nukes by pure logic, the plague did occur in either 2277 or later and after it occurred there was the whole crisis that happened and Shady Sands then got nuked because Hank was mad at his wife. After it was nuked, he assumed the nukes had killed her and moved on, using the plague as a scapegoat in case anyone questions Lucy's mother's death.

More likely the year she stayed in town, or could just be a writers error

In what ways has it damaged Mr. House, Vegas, the war between America and China, Ceasar's Legion and the Brotherhood? I'm actually interested since I've seen the show and not really much is being covered in that Mr. House isnt really affected by it, yes, he shows in the meeting, but, it still can hold to New Vegas lore. Vegas isn't touched, just shown, and it shows like its there, so there is nothing to asume that it's ruined. The war between America and China is still there. Maybe there is a discussion to be had about the nukes, but, never there's been canon about who actually started the nuke thing (except the series, that IMPLIES that VaultTec wants to start, IMPLIES, not actually does). Ceasar's Legion is not mentioned? So how has it been ruined? And what part of the Brotherhood is ruined? I legit don't know if you actually watched the show or were on drugs while watching it.

@@ilpr3dator646 Unlike you, I have played the games, know what they say, and am not on drugs.

@@Jeff-cn9up Then explain it to me, thats what I was going at you bafoon

@@Jeff-cn9up Then explain, because that's what I wrote, to please explain the reasons the stories got "mangled", because it's interesting to see and think about other points of view, but, as you seem to not be able to read, idk how you managed to learn the lore. Oh well.

@@Jeff-cn9up its okay to not like it, but at least give the reasoning behind your claims.

@x570Belmont Thank you! Although I don't approve of arbitrary slang change terms like "copium" I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking the obvious.

How about The Ghoul taking down an entire group of heavily armored knights of the brotherhood when he could barely handle a rookie in the like second episode? Thats my biggest gripe with the show, not timelines

​@@Estelle2007Can you remind me of who cares about your approval? What a stupid thing to say, no wonder he never replied to you

@@Stefantius I just wanted to make it clear I'm not supporting arbitrary newspeak for "Funny how much of a big deal everyone is making" or easily influenced by current slang trends. He can say whatever he likes for now regardless of my approval.

Bethesda has been doing whatever they feel like with Obsidian's work on Fallout.

Then there goes their money

That’s just a complete and utter lie 😂😂😂 by the ENDLESS Fan Service contained in each episode 😂😂 They absolutely want the fans to enjoy / watch this show, though how much of Fallout they want to stay True too still remains to be seen (I liked the show btw lol)

@@Macheako The literal quote is "I don't think you really can set out to please the fans of anything, Or please anyone other than yourself. I think you have to come into this trying to make the show that you want to make and trusting that, as fans of the game, we would find the pieces that were essential to us... and try to do the best version." So not for fans, for them because they're fans.

@@MacheakoAlso, sprinkling in nostalgia and member berries doesn't make up for terrible writing, time-line continuity , and humor 🤷‍♂️

@@mbergamin16 oh bro I know 😂 some a that fan service almost felt SOOO on the nose, it was just them “throwing a dog a bone” so I’d shut up when the next dumb story item comes around 😂 I’m just saying they clearly had some understanding on how to “quench the fans” and they did exactly that in some a the scenes. Like when Lucy pulls out the ONLY stim-pak we’ve seen so far 🤨 or when they showed the FO:3/4 hacking screen 📺 I enjoyed em, but it almost felt gross 😂 🤢

Todd confirmed that the bomb dropped after the events of FNV, so, yeah. Todd cares, if in your eyes it’s “just a little”

To be honest I just was blown away we got any more content on the west coast. I thought they didn't care about New Vegas meanwhile the show takes place there. If they didn't care we would have gotten nothing.

@@capsyy If Todd confirms it that makes me even more sceptical, that guy is a notorious liar.

@@AmanitalandI’d rather just let fallout go than have it ruined like this. Pray that nothing you like ever gets popular

@@TheBananamonger Yeah, something I like did get popular, the Fallout universe. Fallout has been popular since Fallout 3.

Juicehead has been terrible for a long time.

Wasn't this eventually explained by tod howard??

Can you refute anything he said?

@@anthonygrassi4690 Todd Howard is KNOWN for LYING!

@@anthonygrassi4690todd howard is a nobody

No, that's not accurate. When you're talking about travel like Birdie, you mean the time you take. When you look at Google Maps, you see something that ignores stamina. Basically, Google Maps says the time is 77 hours walk, non-stop. A real human person would have a hard time walking for 12 hours a day, so that's closer to a week or more.

@@AusSP You're right there. I will say that if you consider how much time Lucy spends walking you get some more lee way. Lucy walks inland for a day, sleeps then the next day has the encounter with the half naked guy. He's just on the other side of hill from Filly so she probably spends like an hour or two walking to get there. Four days walking at 3mph for 10-12 hours means you could get 130-140ish miles from Santa Monica in that time. That puts you at a day's walk away from Lone Pine if you're walking in a line. If you're following roads (which they may have done) you'd need a second day. Point being that 5 or 6 days to get from Santa Monica to Lone Pine on foot while stretching the visual language a bit does at least track better with what we see and know about the Fallout Geography than the supposition that they moved Shady Sands to the Boneyard. The real question if you want to ask about the Boneyard is where is it. Santa Monica and the Observatory are on the south and north sides of where the Boneyard would have been and we see no proof of it existing. Nor does it match with the location of the crater in the show's Shady Sands. So what happened to a massive city.

You're all thinking too hard about this. Bethesda probably forgot that Boneyard and The Hub even exists. They're destroying every piece of lore Black Isle made.

@abnnizzy I doubt Bethesda who brought the Hubologists into Fo4 and asked Obsidian to remove mention of a destroyed San Fran just "forgot" about The Hub and Boneyard. It's possible that the geography has been shifted a bit (something Fallout 2 did to Fallout 1 as well). I think its more of a problem that you and others would rather jump to an extreme like "THEYRE DESTROYING IT" than take a breath and wait to see.

@@jacobyboyer3681 I mean, it was right there in the fucking show. Shady Sands destroyed in 2277. New Vegas takes place in 2281. HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

the only Fallout youtubers I see making excuses for it are the big ones, so they'll lie through teeth and puff copium till their lungs give out, probably because they want to stay in the good graces of Bethesda, while I see a lot of smaller Fallout youtubers tearing the TV show to shreds

As much as I don't like to use internet slang to discredit people and be what they accuse some of being, it really seems there's people trying copium by denying that it has any faults and that they don't matter (Maybe in the grand scheme of things, but as a product that you PAY money with, you expect it to be good or decent), I mean I knew this was happening for a long time even before 76, but it seems to be getting worse as the years go on.

People are already dismissing Todd essentially destroying Fallout 1 & 2 and doing god knows what with New Vegas as "us just not liking anything but those games" I think we've already lost, gang... This is just going to be the Star Wars sequels all over again

The main writer of the show came out and said F:NV is canon and was not retconned at all. How about we give them the chance to actually tell us the story instead of jumping to conclusions?

@@connorharrison6328 Todd Nuked the NCR capitals. What are we supposed to think?...

rose left with lucy and norm in 77' to seek refuge away from the vault, hence why lucy has a flashback of rose and moldaver in shady sands. it's assumed rose lived outside the vault for at least a few years, and only then were lucy and norm taken away from her by hank. the cover-up is to explain why their mother is gone, not how she died, because she refused to come back to the vault and lived in shady sands for many years, up until when hank decided to nuke the city (post 2281). i don't understand how a chalkboard written by a school teacher (who likely wasn't even in shady sands when the bombs dropped) is being used as evidence that the bombs dropped in 2277. we have a chronology that makes sense, and the plague of 77' isn't contradictory in any way.

The mystery is only as good as what you get with the final reveal. It's a lesson JJ Abrams never learned and why his Mystery Box approach fails.

@@Gakusangi Not what I mean. And anyway, Todd Howard confirmed the bombs destroy Shady Sands right after the events of Fallout: New Vegas, dispelling any confusion.

i rather not have things spelled out but that’s me

@@Gakusangi Abrams mystery box doesn't work because he didn't know what was in it, when he wrote that it existed so Lost is a joke, much like Quantum 'God did it' Leap or Battlestar 'God did this too' Galactica:2 The Disappointment.

Also this series is full of bs moments and characters acting plain stupid. This was 100% and error

@@zerothehero3426 I'd argue it can be saved with new writers that don't suck. And less Amazon oversight

Speaking of Romans... for us the ancient romans were 2000 years ago, and for the ancient romans the ancient egyptians was 2000 years ago for them. Make you think.... :P

pretty much indicates when that sign was put up, it was not even the ncr capital anymore

@@Weffi76 It wasn't NCR eventually moved out of Shady Sands to the Hub and Shady Sands became nothing more than a small cattle village again. So many kids crying over the lore after only playing 4 and 76. There are two Fallout universes one is Interplay's and the other is Bethesda's. The TV show is more Fallout 1 and 2 than 3 and 4 and aboslutley not 76.

@@BolinFoto There was a Fallout 76 pip-boy in episode 2, so no there's not two different Fallout universes.

​@@elvis5008 Crist... Ok I will break out the crayons here... In Fallout 3, 4 and 76 the Brotherhood is just a bunch of guys in power armor. In 1 and 2 they are religious nutcases obsessed with technology. In Fallout 2 there is a character called Coffin Willie he's a Ghoul and he's buried alive in a cemetary and you get to dig him up. In Fallout 3 you can't use a power armor without the perk in 1 and 2 you can use them as soon as you find them. Fallout 1 and 2 and New Vegas is set on the west coast amnd 3,4 and 76 is set on the east coast. the TV series is set on the West coast. I could go on and on and on and on but hopefully you get it. And the pip boy... ALL the game have different Pip Boys, they used the 76 one because you can buy that of the shelf in real life.

@@BolinFoto The last time we saw the NCR in 2281 in FNV Shady Sands was still the capital with nothing to suggest it wasn't. A character at the Sharecroppers mentions 'politicians in Shady Sands'. That is also where Kimball comes from to deliver his speech. You are not only disingenuous, you are just fucking wrong.

That's something I've thought about too, but honestly the show is just too vague in regards to history. That could be when her mom left the vault, or when her dad brought her back, who really knows. Ultimately the problem is the lack of worldbuilding. The show does the worldbuilding for the totally new folks who haven't played the games, but doesn't offer anything for those who have to explain how the current state of where they are is the way it is. And I mean like, not even really any hints beyond the tidbits of main plot about the NCR collapse. Only in this comment section have I now discovered all this cope that the NCR is still alive and kicking but just further north or something, if that is the case this is one of the greatest failures of writing and worldbuilding. They had so much to build on and work with, and they're just going to say everyone forgot the NCR existed for the entire season? Like these are events practically everyone in the show lived through, and it never gets mentioned? The history of the greatest nation since the great war, which is still around by the way and right over there? Makes no sense.

Her dad lied to her.

Exactly it’s a clear pothole Lucy thought her mom was killed by starvation in 2277 (plague of 77 which was hanks lying excuse for why Lucy’s mother was dead) when she was ghouflifed by the bomb which clearly supports the 2277 nuking date given Lucy’s mother clearly wasn’t around after 2277. while new vegas troops and people have dialogue about shady sands, we even send word to shady sands in the Cass quest in 2281 therefore it’s a huge plot hole.

@@battleangel4833 Exactly. How are people missing the fact that her dad was LYING. It's very clear he lied to her about her mom's death. It isn't a plot hole.

This is a plot point, not a retcon. Her mom likely turned into a ghoul from the nuking of Shady Sands since she lived there. I wanted to keep the spoilers to a minimum because it seems clear quite a few haven't watched the show

Also there no "intended to be interpreted" when could be easily be interpreted as "Well since theres no date when shady sands was nuked , so its make sense to take as Shady Sands was nuked in the same year".

Yeah, normally juicehead is pretty alright but this is a weird hill to die on.

The arrow indicator is also the ONLY arrow indicator to poorly interrupter the time line would be to assume that a singular point in the listed history uses a different pattern than the entirety of the rest of the list, if the nuke was a different event it would have been given its own date.

@@thatwelshman2713 guy its a fucking TV show, who is dying? This is what I think and literally hundreds of people asked me to make this video. I don't really mind if people don't agree, speculating and fan theories are the most fun part for me

@@JuiceHead3 Great games and good lore is dying. When you defend and sweep the retcons under the rug, it just make away for more Bethesda laziness. So they'll keep retconing things we love with their childish take untill there is nothing left. If you defend that, you're the problem.

Seems more about managing radiation levels.

@@kyleellis1825 More chems, more radiation. More radiation, more chance of going Feral. Thats how the whole Ghoul thing works since Fallout 1. In New Vegas there is a whole quest about this. But in the show the chems stop the Feral thing from starting somehow? But thats just one thing in a list of dozens of retcons Bethesda did. They must despise Fallout.

@@abnnizzy Yeah, so I assumed the ghouls needed rad away to stay sane.

@@abnnizzyYou do realize the “chems” the ghoul uses in the show to stay sane is probably radaway right? So it fits right into canon

@@Midnightfr it's not rad away. Rad away is one of the only chem that was truly represented in the show besides Jet . Rad Away comes in an IV pack, the bottles the ghoul consumes clearly shows a radioactive and poisonous label.

"You can't kill a Yao Guai with one shot from a 10mm pistol." The Yao Guai had already taken damage in the fight. He crit shot it in the head to finish it off.

Its the Debug Plot Gun

He Critted on a weakened Yao Guai

You know..critical damage VATS

well you also can’t have him shoot it 40 times with a pistol in a TV show

Personally I got the sense that the NCR were starting go downhill as a whole in New Vegas

@@Amanitaland They were not going downhill, they were spreading way too fast for their own good, expanding territory where they didn't have enough bodies to cover it all. New Reno still complains about cattle raids because NCR is too far spread.

@@WatcherMovie008 aka they were going downhill

​@WatcherMovie008 that's going downhill, when you have only a few hundred thousand people. Overexpansion, and a loss of administrative powers means your empire is falling. Maxson's BoS was able to make it's way out west pre fallout 4 and that was probably the deathblow to the NCR. The Courier and Ulysses also did a number on the NCR even if the Cannon courier say didn't kill off the President Kimball and Oliver. They were in New Vegas trying to win the region over for 7 years. That's longer than WW2 with a fraction of the population.

Moving the capital does suggest that Shady Sands was on the decline, most likely because of the Mojave Campaign and the NCR losing to either House or the Courier

Caesar ​@@Slenderslayer351

@@Slenderslayer351 2277 is the year of the first battle of Hoover dam. NCR was doing just fine, if expanding too fast and with weak ties in the Mojave. But the Republic itself is never hinted to be failing in FNV, quite the contrary.

@@tonedeaftachankagaming457it’s a 3 year gap, ww1 last for 4 years and ww2 lasted for 6 those were wars supported with the full weight of the functioning world and things moved along. I think 3 years is enough for the ncr to be pushed back by a good amount especially considering how ruined the world and how small the factions are

Shady Sands couldn't sacked or conquered in 2277 because otherwise it conflicts with new vegas saying that's a working settlement. Especialy because Kimball came from Shady Sands to the Mojave , so it must be in somewhat safe condition.

Governments can make their cities appear stable, but that doesn't mean they really are.

​​@@averagemug_music i m pretty sure lucy memory are not gov propagenda. If you followed the show lucy, her mother and her brother lived there for a time before their dad nuke it.

@@chiriematthieu She only remembers what it looks like, it LOOKED stable and advanced, that doesn't mean that it WAS stable. Governments hide the stability of their country from the populous all of the time, the NCR has been shown to be no different.

@@chiriematthieu that doesnt make him wrong. Rarely do inhabitants knw a city is on the decline until its too late. Power issues and such lead right into New Vegas.

It’s never stated thats why he nuked it, it’s implied he did it because vault-tec wanted to be the sole eir to the wasteland

I like that explanation. Too bad it's just pure speculation for the time being. But I really do like it.

This is probably the best explanation so far honestly. And similarly to how the late Roman Empire placed significantly lower priority over the Italian peninsula over it's richer Eastern territories, maybe the NCR has done the same. Not believing reclaiming the area around shady sands as worth the resources, so they are focusing their forces on the Legion/holding their Mojave facilities/other areas. Which is why we don't see them in large numbers.

Yes!

truth, i cant comprehend some ncr cultist think todd just basically retconned all the fnv lore.

Its still future from new vegas and fo4, in that time ncr could have moved their main base to a new location

although i've always found FNV fans as loud and obnoxious, they NEED to scream louder this time at least, because from the looks of it, 90% of Fallout players only played Fallout 4 even though they had almost zero online presence in the comments section before this TV show happened.

Man I hate fnv fanboys but on this I agree with them. Todd Howard is a fucking menace and his lacky emil is gurgling out complete slop

​@@f.b.l.9813Yeah 90% of the comments about the show are positive

​And f4 is the worst of the games it's a copy and paste of the plot of f3 with rolls reversed and small changes the only good things were far harbor and nuka world which feels like remastered dlcs from f3 too like the Pitt and point lookout

@@MackBanjo23because its good. And don’t take me as just a Fallout 4 dork. I’ve played them all. Absolutely loved 2 and it’s my favorite. I despise NV and 3 (more for the game play, not really the story. But I am going to try NV with some mods that are supposed to “fix” the problems. So we’ll see if it goes up.) And 4…. Was good…. Until you start looking close and the cracks start showing up… But overall… this show was absolutely good. Ep 4 dragged for me- not a fan of gore- but after that it really went up, and kept going up.

I agree, I'm going to take the chalk board as to just be referring to shady sands and not the NCR as a whole

@@Plight_ This is just cope. Just accept this show is going a completely different direction. If we went a whole season with barely any mention of the NCR, no reference to the greatest nation that has existed since the great war other than it's destruction, seemingly wiped from the memories of the masses who would have lived through it and then suddenly in season 2 they go "oh ya they were here the whole time everyone in season 1 just forgor", that is just idiotic writing and worldbuilding.

​@@SpitFir3TornadoOr as the other person said: Bethesda messed up with the dates. They literally did this with fallout 4 and 3 with cars, in 2 you could drive and they evolved enough to not use caps anymore. Bethesda reverted them back to the fallout 1 days in their games, which is weird considering they're after 2. Or how now the power cores in 4 die when they last for hundreds of years. Todd even said he thought of this as another entry like a game (some reason people thought he meant it was fallout 5) and knowing that they didn't really work on new Vegas, so they didn't actually remember dates, it could be assumed that they messed up. It's not cope, it's realizing Bethesda does stuff like this alot and people like forgetting to prove a point when there is none.

I want to say Kellogg lived in both The Hub and San Francisco.

@@SpitFir3Tornado Yup I accepted the Show as canon, I also accepted that I will play Wasteland and forget that Fallout exists.

And I fecking HATE that.

Uh no. He’s taking rad-x.

@saggyflapjax you wish That wasn't rad-X lol.

@@solaviryuvia8953 its definitely not jet. Rad-x makes way more sense.

@@saggyflapjax Or something similar to Rad-X. Why wouldn't they have a drug designed to stunt the effects of radiation? Besides, the vials were holding a yellow/orangey liquid. A bag of Radaway contains an orange liquid. Maybe they were using Radaway to craft that ghoul medicine with.

Personally, I think Father Elijah's ending is canon, based on the presence of the cloud. As well as the NCR being nearly completely destroyed and the brotherhood being much more powerful.

Remember it has been 15 years. I believe it’s the House Ending, He might be trying to contact Mr House.

Here's how I see it.. Possibility 1: It is any ending where House is alive BUT does not control the Hoover Dam. It would explain the lack of power and the chaos we see in New Vegas during both the Mojave Wide shot and the credit roll. Possibility 2: Yes Man Ending and Vegas falls into ruin. Possibility 3: House is just dead I hope it's the 1st one, if anything, but we'll see.

@@gabemissouri How many players, do you think, picked that ending? Yeah, they know very well they'd p*** off everyone.

@@Costenyo I’ve Mr house is alive, new Vegas would be thriving, you forget prior to the battle of hover dam, you choose what part of California is fed power.

The NCR was not killed off, Shady is not the NCR but an old capital. The fall of Shady is certainly a blow but we've seen the NCR lose and gain territory before to the Legion.

@@a.vasquez771 They then killed them again at their headquarters in the 8th episode. Stop repeating the same exact thing as all the other people. They were almost in total control of california. Now they are remnants and let the bos fly their vertibirds everywhere. they are weaker than the bos. Its horrible

Are you dumb? Just because a single HQ falls doesn't mean an entire empire falls. Don't get me wrong the fall of Sandy and their HQ at the Observatory being lost is a big blow to the NCR but to say the NCR is completely gone is something you just made up in your mind. Just like the Oil Rig being destroyed didn't necessarily mean the Enclave was 100% gone.

​@@joe7380The NCR arent dead, but fractured. There was the 'President' that captured Cooper which shows that they still exist but are weakened and disorganized.

Oh and Fredrick Sinclair now being the representative of Big MT

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​​@fankgaming7753 I mean he is right. Also what are you doing here shylilly?

This just such a small brained interpretation of the TV show. Ghoulification is a thing within the games, that is quite literally how Hancock became a ghoul. You listing all the different factions, doesnt really mean anything because all the factions were shown within the timeline of the show. The brotherhood are acting exactly as expected, the enclave weren't mentioned but that doesn't mean that they are ignoring them entirely. Just bombing the viewers with everything related to fallout doesn't make a good tv show it will make the story way too complicated. Remember this is not the games that you enjoy at your pace over dozens of hours they have a set run time they need to adhere to. Mr. House, not sure what you mean by that because its not like it retconned anything related to him. The boneyard has no reason to be in the show, just cause something exists it doesnt mean it has to be in the show. None of the characters have any reason to be there. Power armor flying, its not far fetched that with the tech they have they can implement this. The weak spot, again was explained pre-war as oversight due to capitalist greed, which follows the theme. Lastly, it was never explicitly mentioned that Vaul-Tec dropped the nukes, we just know they are willing to do so, taking everything at face value is why you are misinterpretting everything, or its because your just looking for excuses to hate without actually trying to understand whats going on.

@@TahmidHO you clearly haven't learned english quite yet and reading with comprehension. All of the things he has listed has been retconned to a degree.