I understand why some people may seem concerned that Kati is contradicting herself by informing her friends about 5150, but also seemingly supporting Eugenias stance that it was traumatic and not always the best move. However, a couple of points. 1) Kati was informing them of the process, but didn't actively trigger it. She was trying to help a person in need in a professional and informative manner. That is her role. 2) in this video, she is clearly offering Eugenia unconditional positive regard (a fantastic therapeutic stance) and empathy. She is echoing back Eugenia's feelings and validating them. This is incredibly important, and would have helped Eugenia feel comfortable and HEARD. Katy aptly recognised that Eugenia did not feel listened to or heard throughout this process, so it was important for Kati to give Eugenia space to be heard, understood and validated in her experiences. Eugenia's feelings are valid, and she deserves the space to express them and know that she isn't wrong or bad for feeling them. Especially with something as complex as an eating disorder. This might come off as contradictory to kati's prior involvement with her friends, but actually reflects Kati's skill and professionalism as a therapist. The last thing you want is to have someone numb up, become defensive and shut down on you. That would help absolutely nobody, least of all Eugenia. Kati handled this fantastically.

It's extremely concerning Eugenia basically said she doesn't go to therapy and isn't getting more help.

It's so disheartening to hear Eugenia only stayed for less than a month in inpatient and isn't continuing outpatient therapy 💔

Katie, do you think you could get Eugenia to do a video with you now? She has relapsed badly and needs help more than ever.

The fact that she says the mental health professionals wouldn't believe her because it was a 4v1 situation and not because she was on the brink of death is more telling to her current mental health than anything. She still believes she was fine in that moment and anyone who would have seen her in that moment would know she wasn't.

Eugenia in her own home: “thank you for having me here!” She’s so wholesome 🥺

The way she tells the story is as she didn't need help and is still upset about that..her mindset still seems unhealthy

This was uncomfortable to watch. I don’t really know this girl but she is in mad denial. It’s very very sad. I lost a friend to this disease, she eventually went into organ failure and died. She was only 29. I hope Eugenia realizes she needs help before it’s too late. I saw a recent video of her and she looks very ill. She’s all bones.

If her mom really cared she would still be in treatment

It's kind of sad to see this video again cause in this video you can see she actually admits to having an ED and she actually seemed to want to get better and now she has completely relapsed and is in complete denial again. I wish Eugenia the best, I know how difficult ED's can be...

Um, I think she needs help again?

She sounds disconnected from her story? Like she's talking about someone else, that's my impression at least. I hope she's getting all the help she needs and deserves

Kati Morton, this is not helping Eugenia. You can pin the comments supporting your "supportive approach" all you want, but enabling is NOT helping. Also mentioning your channel five times per minute in the video on Eugenia's channel is an example of how this is more about views to you. This video and you are a disgrace to psychology as a field and as a profession. As a KZfaqr, you influence people and I hope you realise how damaging content like this can be.

It’s hard for me to watch her uncomfortable smiling... she can never relax and let her guard down even a little. Not that I blame her. I do the same thing when I’m nervous.

Thank you so much for having me on your channel Kati!! It was super fun filming with you! This was such an insane experience, but I really hope us talking about it can help others! ❤️❤️❤️

This girl is and has been bottling up A LOT. She never speaks in detail on how she is feeling and what is bothering her. She totally skims past it. She barely addresses anything. She must have some deep, deep trauma. She just scratched the surface of things.

She actually looks really pretty here. It’s crazy how “normal” she looked compared to now

As someone who had a friend literally die from anorexia complications, a friend who had long standing anorexia, a friend who was in and out of inpacient, she still dosnt seem right and frankly im concerned she isnt still in therapy when shes had the condition for such a long time. Shes still in denial. This video just made me sad.

Seems like there is still a lot of denial unfortunately. I hope one day she has a wonderful story of recovery to tell. She deserves all the happiness in the world, she truly does seem like she has the kindest soul. ❤

Watching this now, seeing the condition she's in currently, is so heart breaking.

Eugenia is clearly saying what she wants everyone to hear and looks to Kati for validation. The smiling whilst talking about difficult issues is most probably a byproduct of abuse: she’s not allowed to express “negative” emotion so smiles excessively whilst talking to detract from what she’s saying.

She’s still is upset her friends, who were very worried about her dying, got her help? We honestly don’t know if Eugenia would even be alive right now without what her friends did to save her life.

It's still so concerning to see that she looks back on the situation in a mindset that implies she didn't need help or only "maybe" needed to start to get help. It feels like she's still consumed with the mindset of an eating disorder but is no longer in therapy?

This was around the time everyone thought she was really trying to recover but you can genuinely get the sense she still doesn’t really think she has a problem. So of course she is back to where she started.

Please reach out to her again ...😔💔

I feel like she's still in denial.

I just don’t understand why Eugenia keeps speaking publicly about this when she obviously isn’t really ready for it. Honestly how many people speak so publicly about it WHILE they are STILL recovering very very early on. I’m very scared for her that she feels to much pressure.

The nervous laughter, constant smiling, etc. Makes me think she isn’t really showing her true self, as her experience/reality was obviously not a happy/fun/cheerful one. However, I have to remember that she is just leaning to talk about this, is nervous, etc. But I hope someday she can talk about it without the “i guess” and “maybe” and really own her emotions and what she went through and the strength she has to be able to get through this.

Her mom was definitely her enabler! My parents didn't allow me to continue my "habits" less than 6 months after they started. And she's not in constant therapy rn??

I still dont think shes okay tho.

Eugenia is still learning to talk about this, and sometimes exhibits nervous laughter, or may chuckle about things that may not be "funny." Kati does a great job keeping her demeanour and not reciprocating the laughter or nervous smiles. I think it really grounds Eugenia and let's her know the things she's saying aren't as bizarre as they seem talking about right now. *Edit: Eugenia and Kati do touch on this in the video as well. I commented before I saw that part. I admire your strength, Eugenia! And I admire your compassion and insight, Kati!

It so sad this is a year old and she has completely regressed and relapsed. I want to see her visibly recover so bad :(

Seeing this now and how much she's regressed and relapsed not only physically, but mentally is whack. At least here she acknowledged her problem to some degree and was able to talk about her mental health. At one point she was willing and entertaining the idea that she's sick and wanted help. Now it's back to "I'm fine and everything guys." She is so clear minded here and now she can barely talk and her voculabary is limited and she forgets things. The cognitive distortions and physical regression is terrifying. I'm not sure if she'll make it out of this relapse and it's very sad to think of who she could've been without the disorder consuming her.

She wouldn't have seen 2020 if it weren't for this happening ..

So her mother is an angel for bring up these concerns once in a blue moon, but long time close friends doing it are...bad? I get that she doesn't have to agree with what they did, but that doesn't magically get rid of their prior relationship with her or they didn't have her best intentions in mind...at least visually more so than her mother has seemingly done. But that's just my opinion.

She looks worse right now than we’ve ever seen her… She needs help ASAP!! 🥺💔

she’s getting bad again

I understand how she felt betrayed and how scary the place was. But she was in a life or death situation that needed immediate attention. She was literally on deaths door and needed help. The intentions were good, but the videos made after we’re not. They might have approached the matter in a gentler way with more concern and maybe suggest helping bring her to treatment, but it was needed. She might still be in denial about how bad her situation had become. She is such a lovely sweet person and I am so glad she is making progress and it is very helpful that she is being vulnerable and opening up about this important subject.

she needs to go to an inpatient facility for a year or more to actually make any progress.

Hey kati, can you please check in on Eugenia? I just revisited her channel and she's lost all of her weight again and I know recovery isn't a linear process but I was hoping she isn't alone in all of this. I'm sure you've already checked in privately with her, I just want to say it incase you didn't know what her health was like.

As someone who has had been in treatment, I am extremely concerned about her NOT still being in follow-up therapy. She is most vulnerable to relapse right now. I'd also be interested if she signed herself out after a month or did her team suggest she stay 60 or 90 days? Is she still under doctors care? Very few eating disorder treatment facilities don't want you in follow-up therapy and an out patient program. PS.. I also say this in kindness and in love for Eugenia..but just because you don't remember a conversation with those people, does not mean it didn't happen. there were a lot of people who had expressed concern to me when I was at my sickest but truly I could not remember or process what was said to me because my brain was so malnourished & my body was so depleted.. I only found out years later about conversations that we had that I truly don't even remember.. don't underestimate how very sick you were.. and maybe give a bit of grace to those who love you, they just didn't know how to tell you.

"Not sick enough" that's what always made me feel guilt and confusion when I would get help! I have Bipolar 1 disorder but I can relate to that aspect.

This is so painful to watch. She doesn’t let her guard down at all, and she’s being completely disingenuous. She never wanted help and she very likely never will want help because she’s so enabled by the internet and her own family. Yes, she’s an adult and can make her own choices, but if her family is really concerned there’s a number of things they could be doing for her.

Any way you can rach out to Eugenia? She's really struggling.

I trust the people who evaluated Eugenia did their job to the best of their ability with the information they were given. Eugenia said she told the people she was gonna go get help on her own in like a month or two... I don’t think she had a month or two. It’s also possible if Eugenia hadn’t had the 5150 experience to scare the crap out of her she wouldn’t have volunteered to enter a nicer facility of her choosing.

I dont see this as a helpful video for anyone. It's basically blaming the people who helped Eugenia for forcing her to do something against her will. I think a video like this will deter people from trying to get someone help.

I feel so bad for her. The constant smiling and agreeing with everything or apologizing, coupled with her manically talking but not saying anything of substance is so uncomfortable to watch. I hope she gets help. She seems like a sweet person.

I'm really disappointed to hear that she only spent 4 weeks in rehab and isn't maintaining her treatment back in California. She didn't talk about having a treatment team of a medical doctor, a psychiatrist, a therapist, and a registered dietitian. She didn't talk about any of the ways she's actively staying in recovery. A therapist is only part of the treatment team. She really should continue to work on this with professionals. It's all too much to do on her own and she shouldn't be expected to, especially after only a short time in rehab. Her return to social media was much later so one could argue that she had ongoing treatment; however, she has never spoke about it and everything she has had to say about recovery has been overwhelmingly negative. I hope she knows that it's completely ok to go back to a treatment center to help her through these daily difficulties she touches on. No one will look down on her for going back or even to a different treatment center if the one she was at just wasn't a good fit. We're all rooting for you, Eugenia!

Her mother should have had her 5150'd a long time ago.. it should never have got to that point. She's lucky they didn't lose Eugenia.. I do question if she is lying about the part where they had already decided to get help before hand

People have to understand that in this interview Kati is using active listening with Eugenia to make her tell her story. She is not there to pass judgement or to “bring her back to reality” and to tell her bluntly she is still sick. She is there to listen and to make her speak of her traumatic 5150. We aren’t watching a therapy session or a intervention or a confrontation, we are watching Eugenia telling her point of view and her experience.

Kati is the only one who acknowledged/said “eating disorder”. Eugenia never actually said the words eating disorder or anorexia.

Better be traumatized than dead. And yes, sometimes that's the decision a loved one has to make. I feel this side was left out. Maybe this video was a bit early.

I initially was happy about this video because Eugenia needs support. I think she's a sweet gal who is struggling with her demons, and a calm, nonjudgmental person in her life is a great thing. As the video went on, though, I got more uncomfortable with this whole thing. I wish her the best, but this video left such a bad taste in my mouth.

Can you please help Eugenia now :( she said she and her mum had already decided to get help yet after going to rehab, she stopped going to therapy and is currently relapsing. She needs friends and mental help professionals like you to say something since her family won’t.

Eugenia is in denial. She doesn’t admit to having an issue now… she doesn’t think she needs to gain weight.

It’s 2021 and she has regressed so much. If Eugenia isn’t ready to accept help and stay on a steady path I’m afraid she won’t live to be 30 or 40. :( At the end of the day it’s Eugenia’s choice to live or die.

I honestly just love her, she's so kind hearted

And now she is the sickest she has ever been.

Dear Kati...why does EC now deny that she does not have an eating disorder yet she has clearly deteriorated further?

her mom should have called them long ago. that is what my mom did and im well today..it took 10 years of sickness and her flghting, then some years fighting on my own but now 10 years of being healthy ❤

A 5150 saved my life. I know it can feel scary. However, in my experience, the other people I met during my time in the hospital opened my eyes to types of suffering I had never seen before and exposed me to certain realities that caused me to grow as a person while reminding me how to laugh at the small things; in addition to which, they were all wonderfully unique and special people. I was lucky I guess.

She clearly still needs alot of help. Not sure what is happening in this video Kati.. I love you but this feels a bit odd. But I guess you are not her primary care provider.

Might be traumatic but when you’re practically at deaths door, you can’t really wait to see a doctor in a couple of months.

You can’t help someone who doesn’t want to be helped

She looked so much healthier here -hoping she can get help again, her recent videos are so scary

To those blaming Kati for giving information to Jaclyn on how to get Eugenia involuntarily committed to an ED facility: Stop. Let’s be real here for a moment: if it weren’t for Jaclyn ACTUALLY doing something for once as oppose to Eugenia’s other friends: I truly don’t think she would’ve found help willingly. I know deep down that Jaclyn had good intentions for doing so and I get why Eugenia might’ve felt betrayed but it really was for her own good. I hope she continues on her road to recovery and maybe someday she might have enough confidence and strength to be able to talk about this difficult time in her life.

Very odd that there was no outpatient follow up. Usually facilities make sure that the patients are connected with an outpatient program and clinician before they leave

Anyone notice how eugenias voice is much deeper than what's on the channel?

5150 is traumatizing of course. Doesn't mean her friends were in the wrong especially since we know Eugenia was denying the problem. Yeah she said she was gonna get help later, but she was already at a dangerous point. Who knows if she would have made it. She wasnt BETRAYED by anyone. She failed the evaluation. They saw she wasn't in the right state of mind. They didn't pick the group of people over her. It's crazy though that shes acting like these people weren't her close friends even though apparently in the past they were really close. Idk this video leaves a weird taste in my mouth.

From my perspective it seems like she thinks she's better because she completed inpatient, but healing from something so serious like an eating disorder takes more than 4 months. Outpatient helps even if it is just to check in.

Eugenia is a super agreeable person and often nods when Kati is talking, but it's really worrying how her demeanour shifts and how she shakes her head whenever she hears 'eating disorder' :(

I still think she needed the 5150 and Im sorry it was scary but you got the help you needed please continue therapy

When she hesitated saying problem and said issue instead

I've been sectioned before and even though I really disliked it at the time, it was done in my best interest. Please don't let this deter you from getting help for yourself or a loved one.

Y'all should watch Elzani's "Hospitalized for 3 months for anorexia" if you really want to understand illness and anorexia for that manner.

My totally unprofessional opinion on Eugenia is that instead of expressing anger normally, she is turning it inwards on herself through the disorder. It is kind of disturbing how much she smiles and how she brushes off negativity. No one can sustain that truly, although it is admirable that she tries and this comment is not against her, just an observation.

I voluntarily went to a locked mental health hospital after a suicide attempt. Her story of the beds, the lack of things to do, and the loss of free will brought all that back. I've been inpatient and outpatient before (2016). I'm just in therapy now but she's right about it being traumatizing. I still remember it really well. Ambulances bring it back too. She's very brave to share her story.

I wonder how Eugenia feels like knowing that Kati was part of that intervention that she didn’t want to be a part of. Kati was suppose to be there that day. (according jaclyin) but I guess Kati changed her mind and here you are with Eugenia today. I wonder what’s next. I feel like Kati is in between and not taking a side because she has to really get both sides of the story and do more work. I’m intrigued lol

Eugenia was so lucid here. The change compared to now is insane.

is there anything you can do to help her now?

I'm very very surprised she is not in therapy. I'm glad her weight is better, but is it? Her clothes are so baggy.

Her hair was so full and healthy.

Yes, please talk to Eugenia again, she's looking really sad 😢

They took her into custody because she was a danger to herself, her friends saved her life

This anger me, she isn't in- treatment or having intensive outpatient treatment! ED clinic are known for releasing people, once they are in a "safe weight" they do NOT care about the person's mental health... It's a business, after all 😔

lol I do the same thing as her. I laugh/smile when I'm talking about traumatic or depressing stuff. I guess it's a coping mechanism.

She needs to go back to treatment....she was doing so well and it’s so sad 😞

eating disorders and addiction are very similar diseases. my parents saved my life by making me go to treatment (or they'd throw me out on the streets) and making me stay in treatment for months. this was right after I almost died (for the 4th overdose) of rhabdo, seizure, and electrolyte imbalance and I had started using right after. i didnt want to go. I WOULD NOT BE ALIVE TODAY IF THEY DIDNT DO THIS.

I really don't know how I feel about the suggestion that those in mortal danger, due to their own mental health issues, can't or shouldn't be forced to get help initially. Isn't that what we do, for example- with those struggling with addiction- when we hold an intervention and force inpatient treatment? I agree that when it comes down to actually doing the work, embracing therapy, healing and recovering it is up to the individual..... but that initial action sometimes requires a dramatic stroke to save a life (like an intervention or forced hospitalization). I also agree that such a stroke can feel like a violation and can be traumatizing, but isn't that worth giving someone a chance at life? Not to meantion such an intense experience can be a wake up call as to the severity of the problem for the one suffering. I have a lot of experience with situations like this and the message here scares me quite a bit. Eugenia's feelings about what happened make me worry about her too. I feel like this video will terrify anyone in serious danger who may be considering inpatient for their mental health issues. Additionally, it could dissuade a friend from intervening when someone is on the brink of mental illness related tragedy. Yes, it's horribly uncomfortable, scary, and possibly traumatizing.....but you know what's worse? Dying or your loved one dying.

I CLICKED THIS SO FAST

Unbelievably she actually looks healthier here. She's clearly extremely underweight but if you look at her recent videos she's literally a walking skeleton.

it’s so sad that she’s literally completely denying her eating disorder again. even after everything came out, she admitted to everything, the (not so great) shane dawson video is still available for everyone to see, and she’s still trying to say that’s just how she naturally looks. it’s so sad. i really want her to be able to recover, but just look at her streams… she doesn’t care.

An alternate perspective on 5150: 1st of all I’m not at all invalidating Eugenia’s experience at all. I’m just sharing my own experience so that people have a wider range of information. I 5150d myself in Northern California. I had a very different experience. I went to the local ER, told them my situation, and they put me in an ER bed until a room opened up in a nearby mental hospital. I did have to ride over in an ambulance, but I was not restrained. (Possibly because I put myself there? I’m not sure what the policies are.) Once I arrived they took everything from me, including the draw strings out of my pajama pants and the chapstick from my purse. (Chapstick was considered a medication so I couldn’t have it without a prescription). The only thing I could keep was the book I happened to bring with me. I had almost nothing of my own. Rooms were set up 2 to a room and my roommate would scream at points throughout the night. They did a blood test every morning while you were still sleeping. They would wake you up by sticking a needle in your arm. I assume because you were least likely to fight back when you’re half asleep. You weren’t allowed in your room except to sleep, so you had to be in the living room with everyone else. Everyone else included a number of people who made me feel scared for my safety. Most of them were kind, but unpredictable, and you just never know what they’re in for. Some people acted like they would on the “outside” polite and private, others talked openly about what got them there, how many times they had been there, etc. I mostly kept to myself. I took notes on everything in the margins of my book with a pen that was really just an ink tip in a bendable rubber stick so you can’t hurt anyone with it. I still have the pen. I met with therapists and psychiatrists every few hours. Usually in groups but sometimes on my own. It was helpful to get access to medicine (the main reason I admit myself) but most of the therapists were tired and condescending. You could tell they had seen a lot and didn’t want to see anymore. Groups were mostly unproductive as far as finding solutions, but it was validating to hear other people’s experiences. They weren’t the same as mine but they included similar pain. I had the option to leave after the initial 72 hours but chose to stay another couple days. I think I was there 5 days total but it felt like at least 14. This was made worse by the fact that we couldn’t go outside so it was hard to keep track of time. (Usually you would be required to go outside, but this was during some of the bigger fires in the area and the air quality was too dangerous.) The food was fine. But that may be because I didn’t care too much about anything but getting properly medicated the whole time I was there. I made friends. One I still talk to today. She’s a sweetheart and we still reminisce about “inside”. It wasn’t a great experience, but it was my choice and I’m glad I made it.

After all this time and all this supposed treatment she still is in denial and cant even say the actual words that she is anorexic. She refuses to say the actual words regarding the real deal about her e.d. Every interview she beats around the bush and is super vague and cryptic with her answers and its frustrating, and not helping anyone! She wont even admit it to herself and for that she doesn't want to get better.

I feel like I'm missing something. She doesn't seem to see that she has a problem nor is she getting any kind of treatment. What was the point of posting this? It's depressing to see so much made over an intervention and it didn't seem to have any impact. I dunno.

My experience for being in a hospital for suicidation, it makes u feel 10x crazier and worse. And they watch everything u do in Suicide watch. Everything. (Sleep [I couldn’t sleep], shower, etc. and u can’t have anything ever strings in ur hoodie, hairbrush, phone, pencil, anything) And ur with very scary ppl. One guy was in for trying to kill his gf and ig they didn’t watch him all the time n I was alone with him in the hall n he stopped me. I got scared n said “stop” n he called me a bitch. I was so scared. And if u “over react” they put u in the quiet room which is a room with no windows. It helps with nothing imo. It further worsens how u feel. Outpatient also not that good. For my problems (not ED) I recommend regular therapy and make sure it’s with a therapist who specializes in ur crises. Luckily I stopped self harming I think over a decade ago and don’t have suicidal thought anymore. Never ever ever ever thought I’d stop let alone be here alive. Although I do think she should be thankful for them tryingggg to help. But maybe she doesn’t see it n that’s just part of the illness guys.

As someone who used to work for the Suicide prevention hotline and is working toward their counseling degree I'm so disheartened by this video. There needs to be better protocols for emergency treatment and in my state we typically route people to mental health facilities. Ethically you know when you must involve others & break confidentiality. I BEG anyone and everyone if you fear for the person's life- make the call. You can't force someone to get better, you cant force someone to do the work, but sometimes we have to be the voice of reason for the people we love. Crisis intervention teams are there for a reason and typically specialize in crisis management.

I'm so glad you shared this. I've been 5150-ed 4 times now, all within the last 5 years. I know a lot of people do have traumatic experiences with it, because of the flaws in the system, but I also want to note that each time I did need to go and it helped save my life.

What I don’t understand is she says in this video that her mom was the one that wanted her to get help for her ED but…her mom has been on multiple videos saying “she’s just fine she’s just a skinny Minnie”….like which one is it

my mom would never have let me got to that bad of point... u cant let ur child die infront of u