Just join a jiu jitsu and academy and use your imagination and there you go! all you have to do is pretend its judo

The truth. In fact Maeda was Jigoro Kano's protege in New waza. Those were the techniques used when fighting dojos from other styles. Maeda was forbidden to use the term Judo because Master Kano wanted it held to a higher standard and not be known by brawling. When he went to Brazil he used the term Ju-Jitsu.

+LeonKrajin Shut the fuck up about the semantics. It's a false notion that BJJ was developed exclusively by Judo's newaza. The Brazilians were taught both stand up and ground but over time they gravitated towards ground fighting since it was the best place to fight under certain circumstances. Just because you see an extended view of Judo, or another grappling art for that matter, for ground work, it doesn't make it the same as BJJ. A good example is the comprehensiveness. BJJ has a whole world of half guards while all Kosen shows are getting out of the stalling position of half guard. You really need to get on with the times. BJJ has branched off from Judo pretty far by now.

And still I can show you pictures and footages of Kosen judokas using *De la Riva, butterfly, spider guards etc before it was even a thing in BJJ* . 99% of what I have seen in BJJ I have seen it before in judo, it's just that its evolution as an olympic sport killed most of it in common practice (mostly outside Japan). *Even gogoplata, bodylock, lockdown, summersault guard pass and so forth can be seen in a 1950's footage of Oda senseï on KZfaq* . I mean no disrespect saying it: people just think they reinvented the wheel.

Even the Gracie pronounced it wrongly it should be Jujutsu not Jiu-jitsu

+Chris Chiang To be fair jiu jitsu is a old common misspelling in the West (just have a look at 1900's newspapers). And even nowadays in big Judo federations like in France, they officially say "jujitsu" ("i" being pronounced as the "e" in English).

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+TENNSUMITSUMA Art is where you find it. I gotta use this move now.

its kinda common sense.

@@yevgeniyzharinov7473 evidently not since no one has done that in any grappling tournament ive come across, abd ive seen what has to be 85 or so % of the grappling videos on youtube where there's some pants to grab on to. People fight it out instead of just doing what this guy did.

It exists. just walk into any Gracie academy.

@@yevgeniyzharinov7473 so bjj is stolen from kosen judo, and Garcia family claims that they create it.

​@@matarahmadal_atif9359 ok. I suppose. They don't claim they create it. On the contrary, they acknowledge that it was brought to them from Japan.

@@yevgeniyzharinov7473 OK, why they didn't just say hello we would like to acknowledge the world about kosen judo.... Why did they say that They developed Japanese jiu-jitsu To match ground combat🤔🤔🤔🤔💭💭💭.

Kosen Judo is just a rule set created well after BJJ. BJJ and Kosen focus on Newaza Judo. Judo in the early 1900s had far fewer rules and Newaza played a larger role in the art. Judo even allowed wrist locks. That form of Judo made it to Brazil in the early 1900s and was preserved by the Gracies and others in Brazil, and the openness of their approach allowed for innovations to take place. In Japan, the more formal training environment stifled innovation and the lack of competition under free newaza rulesets led to old style newaza Judo/Jujitsu slowly dying out. Had it not been for the Gracies not following the Kodokan and the changes in rulesets, much of that old art would have died out. Instead, they made it global by focusing on applying it to Vale Tudo, and then making Vale Tudo global with the creation of the UFC . Helios and his sons also reintroduced/reinvented street fighting applications that the Kodokan may have overlooked from older Jujutsu. Maeda would have set them on that path being a prize fighter. Catch wrestling would have also been a part of the fusion. BJJ is still 90% Newaza with continued innovations for loser rulesets as well as infusions from catch wrestling.

+Alkhazred1 bonjour si vous pratiquez un judo traditionnel pour votre développement personnel, le judo traditionnel est fait de faite Playing et de politesse, respect de l'autre etc. Ce qui ne transpire pas dans votre commentaire ou vous employez un langage quelque peu éloigné de l'idéal du judo. A.V professeur de judo, CN 4eme Dan. Cordialement

+Alkhazred1 merci pour votre reponse. Les ramasse mentes de jambes ont été supprimé ( pour le moment) car les russes ont apportés les techniques du Sambo et le judo ressemblait de plus en plus A de la lutte ce qui devenait difficile vis à vis du sport olympique d'ailleurs la lutte a été supprimée des jeux. Et le judo est redevenu le judo avec de beaux mouvements techniques. Dans les techniques notamment le nage no Kata Kata guruma est toujours présent. Lors des passages de grades techniques on peut tout faire comme ikomi gaeshi etc. Bonne pratique.

i don't understand japanee but i can still grasp his teachings.

just call bjj and judo different sports... im a judo guy, but i do plenty of both tournaments... i do a lot of groundwork.. waaaay too much to ever be competitive in sport judo... heck, at my judo school i wear jiujitsu gi's, not the ones with lots of patches, but i like them because the way they fit... i feel like the sport doesnt matter, cant we just roll? thats what i care about.. my two cents..

They are basically the same but with different rules. That's it. Helio said he was a judo guy on an interview to a newspaper here in Brasil. So, no reason for this rivalry. Cheers.

BJJ is 80/90% old Newaza Judo. It’s just that it has been neglected in Japan due to the changes in popular rulesets. Thank God it got preserved in Brazil

@@marcuspiscaer4120 Neglected in Japan? Shichitei Judo formerly known as Kosen Judo is widely pracised in Japan non-stop from 1890s-2022 and also the main style taught to Tokyo police. Look up "red dragon dairy kosen judo" on youtube search. You'll be amazed at how much it is preserved in japan....lol

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but they both use the same guards though. lol

Humperdoo yes they do. Im talking about more inovations per the guards. The judo guard work is much less advanced. And i dont mean it insiltingly. The judo turtle work is more advanced than bjj. Its just that bjj has literally spent the last 80 years working very sophisticated ( sometimes overly sophisticated where it becomes too hard to learn in a timely manner)

Whats wrong? Cant name a technique or guard that isnt already in Judo? =D

Humperdoo yes the inovations that de la riva or in more recent times keenan cornelius. Ive never seen intricate guard work like that in judo. I dont personally know the specific names of the techniques but no judo guys have guards like that. If they dod theyd make it visible to the world.

The Dela Riva Guard that is claimed by Dela Riva to be invented by himin the 1980s is a Judo Technique and is the 2nd most used guard in Kosen Judo in Japan. Would you like to see there tournaments from the 1960-2017? haha www.bjjee.com/articles/modern-bjj-guards-used-kosen-judo-tournaments-1952/ Anything else I can correct you on?

this is why i train at a judo school, but do all tournaments i can find :) sport judo is sort of....... meh these days.

meh it certainly is hahaha (sometimes)

a053303 take out that sometimes and you got a true statement! :p nah jk.. Some ippons are awesome! I feel like the judo rules really need to go back to the way they were.. Ippon was damn near impossible. I feel like jiujitsu rules are more closely related to the way the old judo rules were. If only in bjj tourneys they allowed the idea that if a throw is tough enough (not very easy by aaaany means) the match would end. The idea of ippon was neant to be debilitating. With a mat in place, a throw will never be debilitating.. Which is fine.. But we cant forget where martial arts comes from. Whuch is why i think it should be a thing.

+dave klier man, if u throw the guy in BJJ and he cannot continues, the fight ends :) i've seen fights end in throws, so...

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Nice try :D

@@BobSaint The techniques are the same.

@@yevgeniyzharinov7473 Yeah, as I said - nice try. No one fell for it yet, and neither will I. :D

No shit buddy, its sport grappling for Judo tournaments. haha

Because stupid International Judo Federation kept on changing Judo rules so untrained people can win.

lol, you need to visit more dojos, go out of of your region/country. Your comment reveals complete inexeperience on the subject.

America doesn't have a good judo. I dare you to go to train at the Kodakan. You'll get your ass kicked for sure.

Modern Judo is lame. Old school judo is awesome. IBJJF bjj is lame as shit too.

@@noahariola-tirella3559 IBJJF because of heel hook and knee reaping bans?