The new Sub 2000 is back to take back the ground it lost to the S&W FPC. Trigger pull improved by 1 pound 7 ounces.
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@pj55101610 күн бұрын
I've watched at least 10 Sub2000 Gen3 reviews, believe or not yours is the first and only one that shows the close up of the folding mechanism and how the handguard rotates independent from the barrel and the locking lug, instant thumbs up!
@jarvismorrison9328Ай бұрын
I got my G3 a week ago. Finally got it to the range, i was waiting on my fixed barrel spacer to show up. Only put about a 100 rounds of mixed 9mm thru it. Had about 4-5 jams, should be fine after more break-in. Very accurate with a red dot at 25-50yds, 1"-2.5" groups. Very happy with my first Kel-Tec...
@jamesmoore3228Ай бұрын
@jarvismorrison9328 Same thing happened with my Gen 3. First time at the range had numerous FTF with the first 50 rounds. After about 200 rounds thru it, it runs like a sewing machine. Very happy with it now..
@jonathansingleton92467 ай бұрын
I own a gen 2 in 40 caliber, it is the most accurate budget pistol carbine I've ever fired out pass an 100 yards.
@TruthGotGunz6 ай бұрын
Same!!! Scary accurate !!
@joeescobar9007 ай бұрын
The 2000 just gets better & better. Bravo Kel-Tec.
@googlechicken6 ай бұрын
The twisting barrel is definitely a game changer and still 200 less than the S&W. Pretty easy choice for me
@TruthGotGunz6 ай бұрын
The only thing about the twist is now it’s more fragile.
@googlechicken6 ай бұрын
@@TruthGotGunz is there any evidence supporting that ? I haven’t heard anything about that being an issue
@TruthGotGunz6 ай бұрын
@@googlechicken it was one of the main issues after they introduced it at shot show. I have the gen 2 with the mcarbo upgrades so unless they’re dropping a 10mm I think ima stay away from the gen 3
@shawnlavigne90696 ай бұрын
Definitely superior, as long as it was engineered and manufactured properly. Time will tell.
@Steve-Goff7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. It’s nice seeing it compared to the Gen 2
@MrPlecemanvpd7 ай бұрын
Love my Gen 2, I’ll get a Gen 3 if they arrive in my area with a 40 S&W
@williamfrench24816 ай бұрын
The 2024 Gen 3 explains the $100 rebate for the Gen 2. Just bought one for $250 (and I expect to spend the savings at MCARBO to upgrade it to my liking!).
@boss94ways516 ай бұрын
Right always wanted one but didn't want to put another $250-300 into one to upgrade everything
@williamfrench24816 ай бұрын
@@boss94ways51 Ive found that the 9+# trigger isn’t as terrible as I expected so holding off on the $240 package. Just replacing the charging handle, installing a recoil buffer and adding a stock pad (MO Tactical) and will see how it goes.
@charlesburbage90867 ай бұрын
I like the gen 3 it's about time
@euronymous69986 ай бұрын
I have the gen 2 .40 S&W loved it so much that I fully upgraded it with mcarbo stuff. My gen 3 should be arriving to my ffl by Friday. I can't wait! Hopefully mcarbo comes out with some upgrades for this gen
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20226 ай бұрын
I think most of Gen 2 upgrades will fit Gen 3.
@sirzig7 ай бұрын
Appreciate the thorough review sir!
@toddparsons29807 ай бұрын
Thanks for this and for the comparison.
@TNTactical7 ай бұрын
Solid review. Got one on the way, too. Good info
@kfsrmn4 ай бұрын
I would like to see a similar companion rifle to the P17 22lr pistol.
@jadahoob996 ай бұрын
I wonder if Kel-tec will continue to produce some of the Gen 2's for those that don't want the bulk of an optic and don't want the extra expense and effort of buying/adjusting our own iron sights? The Gen 3 is great for those that want an optic, but this completely defeats my interest in a Sub 2000 as a FLAT super compact (ready to go) & quick to deploy firearm (no twisting). I might have to snag myself one of the old ones before they are all gone.
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20226 ай бұрын
I don't know, but I do know the are offering real good rebates on the Gen 2 at the moment. I get you on the purpose of a folding carbine, real small and out the way till you need it.
@jamesmoore32283 ай бұрын
Gen 2's are discontinued and out of production. Which is why Kel-Tec was offering a rebate in the first place; to clear the shelves for the Gen 3.
@NiNeGTuRN6 ай бұрын
I will be buying this by summer with that new Canik tti combat. The only two guns I seen coming out in 2024 that are worth buying and not going to break the bank doing so. 👍
@w4fej6 ай бұрын
Just got my Gen3 and I love the silly thing !! SHhoots very well and at 25 yards it's very accurate. I mounted a Holosun on it with a 3X magnifier and Going to see if it's suitable out to 100 yards (I hope) lol.
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20226 ай бұрын
Should be fine, the Gen 2s were accurate.
@merlinambrosius25546 ай бұрын
25 yards?? I shoot my handguns accurately at 50 yards.
@williamkissinger31645 ай бұрын
@@merlinambrosius2554 you can shoot a pistol just as accurate but you cant mag dump a pistol at 50 100 yards and have a one foot grouping nor the speed and velocity for greater distances
@austinrikestoplay7 ай бұрын
Great video. Thank you!
@BigPrimo335 ай бұрын
$399 right now. just got one.
@tedh75437 ай бұрын
Definitely an improvement over the previous gens. IMHO, the FPC is still better in pretty much every way except it does not take Glock mags.
@thomashoffman57457 ай бұрын
IMHO I completely disagree. The FPC is heavier, clunkier and more expensive. The bolt catch/release is useless at best and a grand thumb machine if you try to use it from the right side. The trigger is no better than the gen 3 trigger. Sage to say I'm not a fan of the S&W at all.
@donalddicorcia24336 ай бұрын
A big advantage of the sub 2000 is the flat-when-folded form factor. Slips into and out of a daypack laptop sleeve much more easily than the S&W. That’s pretty much their reason for existing.
@googlechicken6 ай бұрын
Gen 3 for me and it’s not close it’s a better firearm all around and 200 bucks less
@jamesmoore32283 ай бұрын
Agreed. And on top of all that, the FPC has that janky thick buttstock that is non-adjustable for LOP. On any rifle, that alone is a deal breaker for me..@@thomashoffman5745
@bigpeeler6 ай бұрын
Fantastic review. Many thanks 👍
@texaspatriot91597 ай бұрын
Still has a plastic feed ramp Wtf keltec 😖
@revolcane6 ай бұрын
MCARBO still needs the business :P
@bjaminf1136 ай бұрын
Great review!
@pcbeauty26966 ай бұрын
a beauty upgrade. Now I know why they re blow em them out up North here. I will def upgrade this little carbine. This style of firearm is the stuff of dreams in a world where crisis is looming in the shadows. Nice vid
@jechezeqel73767 ай бұрын
anyone should just be able to buy the new barrel twist and stock and be able to switch it on the sub2k gen2.
@alexanderbolias9007 ай бұрын
There's already a barrel twist available for the second gen. It's a third party forend
@TruthGotGunz6 ай бұрын
@@alexanderbolias900wow…so the gen 3 is really them being greedy 😂
@philp4117 ай бұрын
Good review. I’m curious if one could use/see flip up iron sights on the top of the front rail?
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20227 ай бұрын
It will definitely work, sight radius will be about 1,5" shorter than the gen 2.
@billn9117 ай бұрын
Would be great if someone would make an adapter that would modify the gen2 to do this same swivel
@lancekfishing75027 ай бұрын
Someone does. It’s a whole new front
@jetstreamx155 ай бұрын
Great video This is kind of video you can actually learn something
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20225 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@jimyeats7 ай бұрын
Are all the internal components the same other than just a different trigger? Any chance you could do a video going over the internals and taking it apart with the new rear ring they have holding it together?
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20227 ай бұрын
I don't know, I did not have it apart. I can only comment on what I can see from the outside. The feed ramp is plastic, the trigger is aluminum. It's a loaner gun so I cannot take it apart, maybe in the future if one comes in for an internal upgrade I'll do a video on it. The new ring will come off by lifting the end out the groove and then rolling the rest out the groove. Just like you roll a V-belt on or off a pulley.
@jimyeats7 ай бұрын
@@ThrowingCopperCRA-2022 Cool, thanks for the response.
@phillovaglio76137 ай бұрын
both generations have their pro n cons . some trend i read said that it had a LRBHO but reading through the keltec website says nothing about it?
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20227 ай бұрын
It does not.
@ruiz2126 ай бұрын
If it would rotate 180 degrees it would be perfect allowing to keep a cleaner profile with a red dot.
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20226 ай бұрын
That would be pretty cool.
@ruiz2126 ай бұрын
@@ThrowingCopperCRA-2022so what keeps it from rotating the full 180 degrees?? Thanks
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20226 ай бұрын
@@ruiz212 Nothing, it will rotate 180 degrees, but it won't fold as the "belly" of the front stock is not straight, preventing it from lying flush with the top of the receiver.
@ruiz2126 ай бұрын
@@ThrowingCopperCRA-2022 so maybe a different handguard or modifying this one would allow it to do the 180 🤔🤔🤔 thanks for your time.
@Saguutu_Pagru5 ай бұрын
Red Lion Precision forend rotates 360°, that's what I have on my gen 2 with their folding front iron sight.
@dinospumoni88606 ай бұрын
It’s cool and all but I think gen2 is better. Keep it simple just run the factory sights and let it fold. If you wanna run an optic get a better quality pcc.
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20226 ай бұрын
I agree, to me it's a compact backpack rifle. As soon as it get bulky, I'll settle for a full size PCC.
@cowboywoodard25696 ай бұрын
Yes but wantcto retain my iron sites
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20226 ай бұрын
You can put flip up AR15 sights on.
@jbazan116 ай бұрын
If they somehow managed to make minor changes like making it a non reciprocating charging knob and maybe a button bolt release I’d definitely buy one that’s for sure!
@rickrobinson84177 ай бұрын
Do optics hold zero on a polymer rail?
@thystaff7427 ай бұрын
Long as the rail is secure there shouldn't be any issues.
@cardshazard62066 ай бұрын
With the metal ring rather than the castle nut how will the rifle be tore down completely?
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20226 ай бұрын
It's like a key ring, you lift the end of the ring out the groove and keep going till the ring is off.
@cardshazard62066 ай бұрын
@@ThrowingCopperCRA-2022 Thank you
@roadking6816 ай бұрын
Does it have last round bolt hold open?? Please respond? Thanks
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20226 ай бұрын
It does not have a last round hold open.
@MegaBait16167 ай бұрын
Does it still have plastic feed ramps like my Gen. 1 n 2 subs ?? both of my Gen.'s screws get loose... I picked up the S&W carbine n really like it way better than my Subs.. be well.
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20227 ай бұрын
It still has the plastic feed ramp.
@MegaBait16167 ай бұрын
@@ThrowingCopperCRA-2022 , thanks, can't believe their still building them with plastic.. be well.
@fidjet7 ай бұрын
💜💚🇺🇲🥊💪🧠
@bokkepolo7 ай бұрын
Howzit ouman!
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20227 ай бұрын
Lekker man!
@chrishunnicutt25706 ай бұрын
Have they upgraded the feed ramp to metal from plastic?
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20226 ай бұрын
No, it is still plastic.
@boss94ways516 ай бұрын
@@ThrowingCopperCRA-2022was all in till i saw plastic feed ramp
@TruthGotGunz6 ай бұрын
@@boss94ways51mcarbo my boy
@boss94ways516 ай бұрын
HOW STURDY OS THE SWIVIL
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20226 ай бұрын
It is very sturdy.
@epsimega17 ай бұрын
Can the magazine catch be switched to the other side for us southpaws?
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20227 ай бұрын
Nope.
@judgedayan99347 ай бұрын
once Keltec redesigned the barrel to allow permanent mount of optic, why didn't they redesign the lousy trigger? The new S&W is superior in every aspect, why would anyone buy the Keltec?
@KYFHOme7 ай бұрын
Because it's a lot lighter and more compact. Would easily fit into a zip pocket on a backpack or small suitcase or a vehicle's behind-the-seat map pouch. The S&W is "nicer" for sure but quite a chunk.
@judgedayan99347 ай бұрын
@@KYFHOme The KT is 4lbs, the SW is 5lbs, not a "lot lighter". both are about the same size.
@skeetlejuice5227 ай бұрын
Wait a second what are you doing making this video you don't live in a free country
@ThrowingCopperCRA-20227 ай бұрын
Whaaat? You trying to tell me Tennessee is not a free state? Somebody lied to me.🤔
@whywoulditellyou007 ай бұрын
I want flip up irons not much room to do that. Seems like a mistake not to make that an option.
@benthere4047 ай бұрын
What's stopping you from mounting flip up AR15 style sights, with a red dot in front of the rear flip up sight. I like 2 sight systems on my ARs.
@jamesmoore32283 ай бұрын
@@benthere404 Exactly. I just got a Gen 3, and have both red dot and flip-up sights. The flip-ups co-witness very nicely with the red dot..