Kenneth Madden - 'The Ordinary Is Extraordinary' - Interview by Iain McNay

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14 жыл бұрын

Kenneth Madden - 'The Ordinary Is Extraordinary' - Interview by Iain McNay
Kenneth talks very clearly from a non-dual place. He had an awakening during a Vipassana retreat many years ago. He says, 'I had no idea about the world of the spiritual seeker and such terms as awakening, enlightenment and liberation. I remember describing it at the time as like a veil being lifted to reveal that what I had always been looking at was what I had always been looking for. I also remember saying that no experience I had ever had could come close to what happened. It was subsequently seen that it wasn't an experience and that it wasn't a happening as nothing in fact had happened. It was a loss, a loss of me and a seeing of life as it truly is; whole and boundless, complete, unconditional love.'
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@AnjaFean
@AnjaFean 14 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most beautiful simple - not even teachings - just beingness.... I have ever heard. Thank you!
@andrewforrest108
@andrewforrest108 11 ай бұрын
Wonderful interview! Out of 8 billion apparent people, there's possibly less than 10 public communicators, speaking uncompromisingly about unconditional freedom. That's astonishing! Kenneth is one of a very very very few, who speak about absolute freedom so simply, clearly, directly, unambiguously, and with no compromise whatsoever. Timeless infinity, spoken with wonderfully Irish Kenneth-ness! And he's a great guitarist too! ❤
@pillettadoinswartsh4974
@pillettadoinswartsh4974 5 жыл бұрын
The "self" acts as a sort of hoover which pulls certain thoughts to it. Just certain thoughts though. Thoughts about "me." Once the self disappears, those thoughts have nothing to do. They arise and float around a while, and then dissipate. After a while, those thoughts, having nothing to do (no purpose), will stop coming altogether. Now, to be clear, these are not only bad self-thoughts, but ALL self-thoughts. Even the "good" ones. Because good/bad thoughts about self lead to pride/shame, neither are worthy. I remember walking through WalMart one day. Someone had abandoned a shopping cart in the middle of the aisle. I pulled it to one side, so that nobody would run into it. The thought "I'm a good person for doing that" appeared in my mind. I hadn't seen that kind of thought for a few months, and it made me laugh. Then it was gone. It didn't stick, because it had nothing to stick to.
@carlrichards9333
@carlrichards9333 9 жыл бұрын
When such a communication is delivered in this way and heard there is nobody left to doubt it's authenticity - Stunning stuff
@Rhea303
@Rhea303 2 жыл бұрын
I've had the same awakening .. there is nothing and the nothing is everything .. it was scary and wonderful.
@Jes1FromFL
@Jes1FromFL 3 жыл бұрын
"Hope is a total and utter rejection of what is" 37:47
@chrisfortune9491
@chrisfortune9491 9 жыл бұрын
"maybe there's just one long moment..." :) "ordinary life is just what I've always been looking for, and it's Stunning!"
@kpot22
@kpot22 6 жыл бұрын
Wonderful interview. Kenneth expresses what life in this state feels like so simply and beautifully. Thank you so much Lain and Kenneth.
@BLCKSQR
@BLCKSQR 6 ай бұрын
amazing talk. the calm and relaxation that comes from dropping it all and simply being is wondrous
@Daniel-pr4uk
@Daniel-pr4uk 5 жыл бұрын
13:12 "...it always has to be [looking for] something else... it's a total rejection of this, just this. what's happening is continuously rejected"
@yoso585
@yoso585 4 жыл бұрын
What it is about Tony Parsons is the humor he brings to the show.
@metaknowledge2010
@metaknowledge2010 11 жыл бұрын
clear, beautiful and concise. beautiful simpleness.
@QuantyG
@QuantyG 9 жыл бұрын
Clear as a bell! Excellent descriptions.
@paulmetdebbie447
@paulmetdebbie447 4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful. 38:20 the person hears this message and runs away because he finds it hopeless. When there is resonance, the message is recognized as hopefree and there is a strong pul and merging.
@pathwithin1519
@pathwithin1519 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Ken! I found home a little while ago, but then started thinking I must now tell the whole world and blah blah blah and fell back into the darkness and misery. Thanks for pointing me back home 😍
@FirstPersonHood
@FirstPersonHood 4 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on telling the world presently?
@DanielBoehminc
@DanielBoehminc Жыл бұрын
@@FirstPersonHood Telling the whole world happens. But if theres someone that wants to tell the whole world, youre back in story.
@bradstephan7886
@bradstephan7886 8 жыл бұрын
Terrifically helpful! Thanks, Kenneth and Iain.
@lindagumbleton6569
@lindagumbleton6569 8 жыл бұрын
Brilliant interview such clarity really could feel it. THANK YOU!!
@unhappyalways
@unhappyalways 14 жыл бұрын
This is wonderful! Thanks so much!
@evangelinaogren
@evangelinaogren 11 жыл бұрын
The teaching is Life itself!
@flapstones
@flapstones 11 жыл бұрын
great interview, very natural...wouldn't it be great if Ian had an awakening in one of these interviews! ;-)
@aliciainmx
@aliciainmx 3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it be wonderful if I woke up!!!
@afriend621
@afriend621 2 жыл бұрын
No, it would be meaningless (to no one) as it is only the idea of an individual "me" who wakes up. It would be like saying "Santa Claus woke up", a non-awakening. No one wakes up as no one is. There is actually no such thing as awakening.
@ravanti5780
@ravanti5780 2 жыл бұрын
Wow
@ketchup5344
@ketchup5344 6 жыл бұрын
Conscious tv. The only reason to own a tv (apart from babestation obviously) Another fine interview with a brilliant guy. Thankyou both. 👍
@kam7561
@kam7561 3 жыл бұрын
I'm so in love with this message... Great interview!
@heidith4294
@heidith4294 5 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant. I have experienced the beauty of being for some time and I know exactly what he means, if there is a grasping then that is what it is. By wanting to have it you missed it. Its a total mind f&$% and that's the cosmic joke of it, once you feel if you can't help but laugh at the innocent beauty of everything. Life is enough. life is love!!!! and some days like today it hurts, and here I am finding the closest thing to what I know to be true. Even pain has its own joy, of being here.
@jacobmarkey4677
@jacobmarkey4677 5 жыл бұрын
Beautiful
@FirstPersonHood
@FirstPersonHood 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. All things continue in Wholeness.
@stefanhjertquiststeffesone2000
@stefanhjertquiststeffesone2000 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, very good said! My sence of a separate self collapsed many years ago and just wondered what happened?!? After that, rather soon after in fact, it becomes clear that ”we humans” have no separate life, there is ONLY life, or... ”We don’t have a life, we are life being lived”. As you said, we can’t want and chase what looked for, we are already what looked for and there is only life but not an individual thing and for no one. Only ”nothing that becomes something” and happens at once and in the same moment within and from some infinity form of energy that cannot be grasped. There is joy, pain, suffering, euforia, thoughts, feelings, perception, happening etc. but for ”no one”. Namaste from Sweden👍🌟🙏🇸🇪🕉
@CactusLand
@CactusLand 3 жыл бұрын
"Full on and juicy", I can see why you didn't title it that... great interview, loved it!!
@beijaflordivine
@beijaflordivine 13 жыл бұрын
Thank you Kenneth.. Heading this year to Vipassana in Ireland.. its along time coming GRMA do chara Eoghain
@meghan42
@meghan42 7 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant. I mean to say, totally ordinary! thanks
@paulmetdebbie447
@paulmetdebbie447 4 жыл бұрын
50:50 No Iain, it's not about accepting or allowing. That would still be a dual dynamic, "you" accepting "something". It is the realization that everything Is, but nothing is "about you". You are not in the picture. There is just the picture as a whole going on. Try to find something in your life that objectively is about you (others would say), but for you it is just "what is", it just doesn't feel personal for you. For me it was my health situation, I have a chronic genetic disease that objectively is all pervasive, but for me it just never felt like it was about me. But it can also be such a simple thing as breathing.Then realize that if you are able to have this (non) experience of "not personelness" about this, could you not extrapolate this to anything and everything else that is apparently happening "to you", but in reality is not? There are blatant cracks in the fata morgana already. Look for them. Try to find them and go from there, make them larger. The whole fata morgana might fall away suddenly, or gradually. It's not you doing it, it will be destroying itself. You only have to look. You will just be pointing the illusion to a little fault in itself. When it starts looking at that fault, it will try to fix it with a thought, but doubt will slip in and it will realize suddenly or gradually (this is the resonance Kenneth is pointing at) that in fact it does not exist. That it is all one big fault. This is the dying or death of the ego/mind.
@FirstPersonHood
@FirstPersonHood 4 жыл бұрын
I am always curious why Kenneth and others don't point to their face. Seeing that the individual is faceless to themselves is what you term fata morgana. headless.org
@heavenonearth8462
@heavenonearth8462 6 жыл бұрын
I love this, it echoes profoundly. Kenneth has a gentle and loving delivery. Not sure saying "it's just nonsense" resonates. All of the manifestation is Consciousness doing its thing, playing roles, having fun. Although I do not buy into the stories & the roles, I still enjoy them. The belief in the separate individual has fallen away here and for quite a while after there was a great distancing from the human experience. This appears to be integrating which is lovely. Thank you conscioustv, your interviews are interesting.
@andthereisntone1
@andthereisntone1 14 жыл бұрын
beautiful. tx.
@mommidodo
@mommidodo 13 жыл бұрын
Ohh yeah!
@Frankygoestohull1
@Frankygoestohull1 7 жыл бұрын
Ian is the perfect interviewer ... Actually listens without making references to other teachers or drawing analogies to show how brilliant he thinks he might be. In it her words the opposite of the Buddha at the gas pump guy who is extremely annoying.
@jimcrich
@jimcrich 7 жыл бұрын
I totally agree and find very few "interviewers" as good and non-intrusive as Ian. It's a special skill to be so neutral yet informed and helpful as Ian is.
@glasgowkiwi
@glasgowkiwi 7 жыл бұрын
I agree. The Gas Pump guy never really hears what's being said.
@kwixotic
@kwixotic 7 жыл бұрын
No, he does but he habitually refers to himself or his experiences as if he needs to keep from appearing as ignorant of the topic under discussion.
@bsingh1690
@bsingh1690 5 жыл бұрын
Both have different styles . I feel Rick Archer has the luxury of time as well (longer interviews) compared to conscious tv which is time bound. Buddha at the gas pump seems more like a conversation woven into an interview whereas conscious tv seems purely interview. I enjoy both the programs immensely.
@Daniel-pr4uk
@Daniel-pr4uk 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, but Ian also very much stays on the surface. Constantly sticks to stories and histories. Seems afraid to go to the direct experience that is pointed to but prefers descriptions of "that state" rather than ACTUALLY being here. For example, from 12:54 to 14:25 Kenneth is giving him absolute gold, Truth with a capital T. I would have loved them to go deeply into that and explore in depth what he just expressed, but instead Ian shies away from it, from the rawness and directness of this moment, and goes back to safety of describing the chronological history of Kenneth..
@burmanhands
@burmanhands 7 жыл бұрын
In separation everything has to be owned and incorporated to be real, after surrender there is only happening - with nobody needing anything.
@akinom6
@akinom6 9 жыл бұрын
theres a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, but there is no one around to collect it... this makes it no less charming! The illusion of me can collapse but then there is nothing that knows that; the me is a finite entity trying to find the infinite; I was trying to achieve enlightenment but then the I that was searching died; this is not now, this is timeless; the seeker doesn`t want to die, he wants to continue, he is looking for a formula; there is no formula, there is only living; this message is always available to those who are open to it; all there is, is energy and it has no director; this is a response out of nothing; expose the myth that there is a me; there is a shift in the world from authority to anarchy; when the me collapses also the idea collapses that there is good or bad; wonderfully, gloriously meaningless; knowing is a concept; self inquiry is a completely dualistic operation which goes on emphasizing the sense of knowing, but that which is can`t be known; what is does not need to know itself to be what is; you don`t have a life to do anything with, there is only life!
@michaelashe5265
@michaelashe5265 9 жыл бұрын
Monika A :)
@alexkimpe
@alexkimpe 10 жыл бұрын
"... and then I heard Tony Parsons on youtube". Same here :)
@jimcrich
@jimcrich 7 жыл бұрын
Kenneth is speaking of Separation vs.Non-separation or Unity but the separate individual/person simply cannot get it so Iain continues to speak of what a SEPARATE individual does/feels/thinks/knows/is, etc, while Kenneth tries, in many ways, to say that there is NO SEPARATION ANYWHERE! The individual simply cannot grasp Non-separation.
@prajnabala
@prajnabala 9 жыл бұрын
Excellent. The hope is in the hopelessness
@jimcrich
@jimcrich 7 жыл бұрын
I'd say the "hope" is in surrendering or letting go.
@prajnabala
@prajnabala 7 жыл бұрын
"Surrendering or letting go" implies there is an action one should or could take. Hopelessness happens when you are finished. That is why the Hope is in the Hopelessness.
@FirstPersonHood
@FirstPersonHood 4 жыл бұрын
Describing the understanding seems to make the person problematic. Life is whole even if the person is not seen through.
@dougrek
@dougrek 12 жыл бұрын
The audio interview was Urban Guru Cafe. Should give credit where credit is due.
@danjackson7758
@danjackson7758 3 жыл бұрын
if only this message had a How, it would run like wildfire round the entire world, and reduce all the other belief systems to ashes.
@jesuisravi
@jesuisravi 7 жыл бұрын
I get a sense of this but I can't seem to nail it down. I think the interviewer feels the same.
@jimcrich
@jimcrich 7 жыл бұрын
Not many Interviewers do "get" this but Ian at least humbly tries. Google: Jim Newman for more insights on non-duality.
@Pfuetzenspringer
@Pfuetzenspringer 7 жыл бұрын
... or Rupert Spira, Ram Dass, Eckhart Tolle ...
@flaminghottendons758
@flaminghottendons758 6 жыл бұрын
No 1 gets this,
@Courtney.-.
@Courtney.-. 8 жыл бұрын
I don't know the name of the book that Ian refers to because Bo Lozoff has written many books. He lives in North Carolina.
@tomsmith2361
@tomsmith2361 Жыл бұрын
👍😊
@danjackson7758
@danjackson7758 3 жыл бұрын
Question: is there any way to prevent children from losing the wide-open oneness they start out with before it gets shrunk down and contracted into the prison of the (false/separate) self ?.....or like the butterfly, do humans have to go through a kind of dream-world chrysalis phase of being encrusted with 'Self', before (apparently) re-emerging into oneness that is Now perceived to have been there all along?
@afriend621
@afriend621 2 жыл бұрын
There are no children, no humans, no oneness, no butterflies, no self. Just life for no one.
@SidePocket008
@SidePocket008 5 жыл бұрын
In other words he is saying you can't hide from yourself.
@aliciainmx
@aliciainmx 3 жыл бұрын
The rest of us are just like a woman who keeps trying but can't seem to get pregnant. At least that's the way I feel.
@kylehart935
@kylehart935 6 жыл бұрын
wow - as mentioned akin to whats pointed to by Tony Parsons and Morgan SOMERS and others - expressing at best possible isness - not conceptualising about.....
@2cleverxhalf
@2cleverxhalf 6 жыл бұрын
yes. that was a good talk. The "I" has to go. But if I was Kenneth, the "I" is no longer relevant.
@catheriner391
@catheriner391 11 жыл бұрын
What was that book...prisoners etc.? Anyone catch that?
@kermit_the_frog6940
@kermit_the_frog6940 7 жыл бұрын
Silence... of the lambs.
@loganbranjord7855
@loganbranjord7855 4 жыл бұрын
What’s name of poet I can understand
@Maaloxmusic
@Maaloxmusic 4 жыл бұрын
Brendan Kennelly
@jimcrich
@jimcrich 7 жыл бұрын
Not to belittle it but I suspect that Ken's "awakening" was merely unconditional self acceptance which can feel heavenly or even miraculous to someone who has been carrying self contempt or self rejection and suddenly finds him self acceptable, lovable, precious, good enough, wanted, embraced, etc. The few times that I "awoke", it felt like HEAVEN but I somehow slipped back down into self contempt and rejection so my "awakenings" did not last very long. Now I see what he means about it being and feeling simple, ordinary, just this, right now and other non-special yet wonderful qualities. He has embraced and accepted himself which can seem like non-dual awakening or Enlightenment.
@FirstPersonHood
@FirstPersonHood 4 жыл бұрын
Are you differentiating?
@JoSpring
@JoSpring 2 жыл бұрын
A dream feels "real"
@dabrupro
@dabrupro 2 жыл бұрын
@37:11-39:40 😂
@jimcrich
@jimcrich 7 жыл бұрын
I am amused when someone says they had a "happy childhood" and then they became an "angry/unhappy" teenager. It's total B.S.! But I've also seen that DENIAL will not allow many folks to honestly admit that they DID NOT have a "happy childhood" or even ADEQUATE parents, which can produce an unhappy teenager! But I'm glad that Kenneth finally turned out OK.
@duanemichals8952
@duanemichals8952 3 жыл бұрын
P
@Frankygoestohull1
@Frankygoestohull1 7 жыл бұрын
Kenneth sounds like he's a student of Tony Parsons, uses a lot of the same language etc.
@jimcrich
@jimcrich 7 жыл бұрын
He mentions Tony here.
@sanekabc
@sanekabc 4 жыл бұрын
The ordinary was extraordinary until you started talking about it which makes it ordinary.
@FirstPersonHood
@FirstPersonHood 4 жыл бұрын
Wonder
@Dantianblue
@Dantianblue Жыл бұрын
So the holocaust and cancer are also love?
@ccr7712
@ccr7712 Жыл бұрын
No they are not, but most followers don’t question what these people say.
@mikebell4435
@mikebell4435 Жыл бұрын
They are unconditional Freedom. (Love is a loaded word).
@Foxbrother90
@Foxbrother90 Жыл бұрын
@@mikebell4435Love is a loaded word for you.😅
@mikebell4435
@mikebell4435 Жыл бұрын
@@Foxbrother90...for who?
@XOXO-mb2vh
@XOXO-mb2vh 5 жыл бұрын
It's really sad the bullshit these self righteous individuals claim. I just hope Ian sees thru it. I assume he and his wife do knowing they have interviewed and shared a cup of tea with many different people. Anytime anyone asks what happened that shifted the guest' perception, its always answered in an assumption they know what people want. How about its an interview and a list of questions are going to be asked. Don't ask why, just identify yourself and tell us why you think you're right. Its cognitive dissonance.Just pray the lunacy isnt contagious. Not crazy because it doesn't quite ring true, but rather this trend is counterproductive to living the way our mind is designed to. It's lying to the healthy brain of those that find joy still. It's a pressured nonsense that is toxic. It attacks the vulnerable looking for answers. There really are sick individuals out there that will drag you thru thier own rabbit hole. I want to believe people are basically wired the same, but clearly we arent. sigh...
@FirstPersonHood
@FirstPersonHood 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry you have misunderstood. This message is life affirming for me. It is simply saying life is whole with the appearance of separation. This is an amazing understanding. Life is wonderful!!!
@pranaprana9375
@pranaprana9375 7 жыл бұрын
Ean McGay lol =)
@jameseverett9037
@jameseverett9037 4 жыл бұрын
Dude! Stop "mmm"ing while Iain is talking. It's annoying as hell.
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