That would’ve been so coolio

Would love to see him riding vermithor

Should have been included IMO, atleast as a first episode.

I suppose the first season of the show jumps around so much that they thought the TV audience would need to start off with a main character that would act as throughline (Rhaenyra). The main thing they wanted from this scene was to show the uphill battle in store for Rhaenyra that Rhaenys could not overcome.

It’s irrelevant to the current plot though. It’s prologue info, we don’t need 3 time skips to get that times were good and now they’re not.

Exactly. He's the absolute opposite of Viserys, who broke tradition and named Rhaenyra heir over Daemon over a quarrel.

@@confused4971 to be fair... it's not like Daemon was the most popular and accepted member of the family. The simple fact there even was a discussion despite the precedent said a lot.

​@@maxi1ification even if daemon is hated, who else is there to challenge his claim ? (not considering viserys's son, and by that point daemon would just be replaced with viserys's son)

@@confused4971 actually to be fair he didn't just do it to punish Daemon or because he was scared his brother would kill him. He just knew his brother was too reckless to be King and would possibly make many ruinous decisions leaving the realm at war with itself as Maegor once did.

​​@@spearshake4771That's ironic. Because that's exactly what Rheanyra did, leaving westeros in war and utter chaos ...

“This old man. The one whose daughter you seduced and despoiled” he replied to ser Beesbury……Who ended up getting stabbed in the skull be the Old King

Jaehaerys had that dawg in him

Earlier in Fire and Blood, a younger Jaeherys had fought a trial by combat himself. The guy who challenged the Old King must've forgotten that either side can name a champion in a trial by combat, whereas Jaeherys was FAR from stupid.

not only cripple but also castrate

It was a Beesbury right?

A good king governing well in peacetime would make for a boring show

They can use flashbacks during the current show... they can tie in lots of things from the past

@@hrishabkumarsharma1355 it was largely peaceful during his reign but there were wars and battles, but they were smaller. There was however tonnes of politicking which is when the original series was at it's best. Plus the fight against the faith militant and Jaehaerys and his fight against Maegor was hella bloody, could do a mini series of him gaining his throne then fighting to keep it together. It would set up HoTD as a pre-sequel... but If the rumours of a conquest series is true then we would see it anyways as Jaehaerys is the one who knit the real together after Aegon conquered it (and maegor bled it) so itd be the end of that series

​@@jakarhess7129 I hope those rumors are true, I think that would make a really good show

@@jakarhess7129 Probably a series about the Conquest would end up with Jaehaerys being crowned king at 14 and that's all. We wont be seeing much of his reign cause not much happens and its far between. It is adaptable if we run up of storylines to adapt but there are more interesting things to adapt before than Jaehaerys reign. I would love everything to be adapted? Yes, but from a comercial point of view, the Conquest previous to his reign, the Blackfyre Rebellions, etc... are better adaptable material.

Lmfao now I can't unsee it. "Wanna wonga?" Lmfao

Imagine if the dude just pulled out a piece of crumbled paper from his pocket.

​@@TheTruthIsGonnaHurt Cut to Pycelle deliberately dropping important papers so Tyrion has to pick it up.

@@TheTruthIsGonnaHurt they would've accused him of election fraud and send #notmyking on ravens to all the 6.5 kingdoms 😆

@@HOTD108_ Nah! Cut to Cersei ripping up the piece of paper and delivering one of her defiant lines. What a marvelous bitch!

​@@TheTruthIsGonnaHurt😂

Not really. In the show, Corlys and Viserys agreed that any children they had would take the Targaryen name when they took the throne. That seems to be the norm in Westeros for whenever a ruling lady leads a household. So, for instance, had Daemon and Rhea Royce had kids, at least the heir would have taken the Royce name.

@@seanp2871 still wouldn't really be a real Royce though would it?

@@jde-jj1lu Yes, it would have. The child would have had Royce blood, lived in Runestone, and had the Royce name. Nothing could make them more of a Royce.

@@seanp2871 Do you understand how the passing of genes works?

​@@jde-jj1ludo you? 😂

Yes, he should do the same. On the other hand, knowing how a jerk his oldest son is, he may have wanted hit daughter to succeed.

​@@alioneal8711exactly. What did he do exactly to secure her position? He named her heir and put a huge burden on her shoulders that he didn't properly prepare her for, then left her vulnerable. Apart from him standing up for her son's claim as Lord of the Tides, and settling some arguments, there was nothing more done to shut people up and secure her position.

@@alioneal8711 yeah this is it. The show likes to present him keeping Rhaenyra the heir because of the prince that was promised prophecy. But even using that reasoning it still reeks of arrogance.

​@@SilvX610exactly the issue isn't with her being a woman at all as we seen she was actually widely accepted and people choose death than betray her, however viserys should've made it a law so whatever alicent said wouldn't have held any strength at all

If he couldn’t see the obvious (that Otto was a snake), then he was never going to take steps to curtail the war that was brewing in his family

We need the Fall of Valyria, Aegon's Conquest, The First Long Night, and so much more.

The Conciliator

And the couple also had a GREAT disagreement about passing the throne to Viserys instead of Rhaenys even though Rhaenys was the daughter of the original heir (Aemon her father.) Alysanne was angry to Jaeherys for dismissing Rhaenys just becuse she's a woman. They only made up because of Maegelle after two years of not talking with each other. 😭

Yeah true. I wonder why Rhaenys was surprised she didn’t get picked since the last 4 Rulers of Westeros were males.

I feel like that would be part of the reason, on top of all of those things it would then set a precedent that elder daughters of minor and major houses now had legitimacy to their families seats. And the men in power and heirs did not want that to happen.

This has happend before in westerosi history, you don't loose the name you change it to the seat you take. House Lannister comes from the female line because one king didn't have a son, so his son in law changed his last name to Lannister upon marriage. In asoiaf we also meet Harry the heir, who's heir to the Eerie after Robert Arryn who'd take on the name Arryn if he succeded him.

That and she's a civilian killing lunatic who'll kill them just to intimate her rivals.

That's why she support Rheanyra all her life even with Leanor's death....

The old GOAT.

Those boy lovers? No dorne should have no social influence over westros

@@attiepollard7847 bro is doing westorosi homophobia 💀💀💀

@@attiepollard7847 those boy lovers should rule all of Westeros

@@brandonrooney5106 and watch your whole population go down because you want more boy lovers. How nice

@@attiepollard7847 boy lovers are great, love ‘em

Jaehaerys gave the chance to all the lords of Westeros a chance to choose their new ruler, not only for the highest houses like Starks and Baratheons but for the lowest houses. That is how the voting was made

No it doesn't. There are over 600 houses in Westeros. Just because Rhaenys had 10 houses supporting her doesn't mean she was going to win. And there's nothing to say that vassal lords have to vote the same as their liege. The support of House Stark is worth just as much as house Corbray since all their votes are equal.

​​@@matthewhart9610 Those 10 houses rule over many, many smaller houses. House Stark and Baratheon specifically. While their vassals could have differing opinions, they typically follow what their liege supports.

@@princess7jasmineand what about the other houses, lannisters, tyrell’s, arryns, greyjoys and martells?? those are great houses too all are wardens of other houses

@@captainpetrson5812 The Arryns were on Team Black too and a few other Vale houses by extension. Dorne wasn't under the Iron Throne at this time and didn't really fully take a side as far as I know. The Tyrells took no side as well and House Lannister was Team Green. I also don't know about Greyjoy, but I THINK they were Team Black as well just to raid the Westerlands. Regardless, I don't see how your point is supposed to be an argument against mine, I only mentioned a few houses as an example, but it obviously applies to others too. But keep in mind, not every region/great house are equal in power. The Tyrells are the largest suppliers of food to Westeros, having them on your side tips the scales heavily even if you have 2-3 other great houses on your side.

He’s dead

So what? If he was still alive he would have been a perfect casting

It is such a shame that he is gone after all the memorable work he did

Keep coping. The woman lost the vote.

@@liamjm9278 I think you missed the point….

@@mpalfadel2008 No.

@@liamjm9278 yup You really missed the point It’s ok, a lot of people who have read the books still missed this small but important detail

@@mpalfadel2008 No.

funny you say that men defend the kingdom in times of war yet it was visenya and rhaenys who helped the conqueror and had a very big part in winning the kingdom...

Even so, Rhaenys would still have the throne over Viserys if we followed normal inheritance. She was the daughter of the eldest son.

I guess you don’t know about aegons the conqueror sisters?

@@taviontaylor5742 yes I know ...they are one of the few exceptions

The king did not defend anyone his army did besides she is much better than puppet aegon

Nice

he would have married rhaenrya *and* daemon? like, they would have been a threesome?

I'm not sure. He definitely would have married off Rhaenyra. But Jaeherys had little patience for trouble makers in the family, and Daemon is the King of them I think he likely would have stripped him of his titles and sent him off to Essos.

it doesn't. this is absolute monarchy, the king's words are the law.

​@@Nihilanth yaah and look how things went lool

@@levia9349 thanks to the greens, not Rhaenyra. more than half the realm supported Rhaenyra (56 houses) while the Aegon only had the support of house Hightower, lannister and baratheon (and other 20+ small houses). house Stark, Tully, Arryn, Velaryon, Greyjoys, they all fought for the dragon queen caring little about what's between her legs

@@Nihilanth exactly as a ruler you solve problems before it becomes a problem Viserys was fool to think some people would fallow his law because he said it lool.

@@Nihilanth she had all these allies but she still couldn't stop her brother from usurping her lool

I agree. It's something fishy. They definitely conspired with the Hightowers.

Ever seen the videos about the Grand Maester Conspiracy? Check them out, the maesters have long planned the fall of house Targaryen, probably since Aegon conquered Westeros

Only if you don't consider how they died. Aegon, Gaemon and Valerion all died stillborn/infancy. Gael committed suicide, Maegelle caught greyscale, and Daenerys died of the shivers. Daella and Alyssa died in childbirth, and Viserra died in what amounted to a drunk driving incident. That just leaves Aemon (who got a crossbow bolt in the throat whilst fighting on Tarth), and Baelon who died of appendicitis. It's hardly suspicious circumstances.

@@matthewhart9610what do you mean driving 😂😂😂

That's not quite true. The greens certainly looked at the Great Council and argued that the precedent was set that no woman could inherit, but the council didn't actually say that. All the council said was that Viserys should be king over Rhaenys and her seven-year-old son, Laenor (who was the claimant they were arguing over in the book). But there are plenty of other precedents that would argue against that. The thing about succession is that it is a very nebulous concept. Ultimately, it comes back to claims and who has the "stronger" claim is often a matter of opinion. Most would agree that a legitimate first-born son has the strongest claim, but most would also agree that a king/lord can name whoever they want as their heir. So, in the case where the Lord of Winterfell disinherits his eldest son and names his second son his heir, who has the stronger claim is up for debate. Keep in mind, everyone agreed that Viserys had the right to name Rhaenyra his heir; that's why Otto suggested it and no one fought against it. If the Council had really said, "No, Girls can't inherit anything," then someone would have absolutely protested when Viserys asked them to swear fealty to her. Now, if asked, most would agree that Aegon has a very strong claim, that is true. However, most would also agree that Viserys has the right to name whoever he wants his heir. If her were to have named Aemond his heir, no one would have questioned it because that is the king's right; he can choose any of his children to be his heir. The reason that Rhaenyra was facing trouble was because the greens want the throne for themselves and see her gender as cause to steal it. That doesn't mean that she didn't have a claim. Nor does it mean she is not the rightful heir. Succession is complicated, but that just makes the greens' actions even worse, because the onus for rebellion was on them (we can argue about the precedents all we want, but if Otto and Alicent hadn't staged a coup, their would have been no war; they were the ones that chose a course that was clearly going to lead to violence).

@@seanp2871 They chose the course that mean House Targaryen would live on thanks to the true blood male heir inheriting the throne and continuing the blood line by siring more sons. Because thats actually how a bloodline doesnt cease to exist.

If the passing on of blood was what really mattered, female lines would've been preferred. Paternity can always be questioned but maternity isn't. It is the best and most fool-proof way to proceed and make sure the bloodline is being passed on. But it seems that the world of HOTD also followed what Engels mentioned in the Origin of the Family, where private property and ownership is tied to the development of a patriarchal state. Princess Rhaenys' Targaryen blood is undermined because she is a married woman and by status quo took upon her husband's name. It supposedly is only a name and what constitutes her lineage is far complex than what a couple of letters can capture, but the name is what allows someone to belong in that society. Traditionally, the privilege of being able to give your name to someone stems from males having more chances of defending their property, the extreme of this being shown in how wives used to be (unfortunately still are in some parts of the world) treated as properties of their husbands, BUT if a woman has a dragon that logic totally must definitely be thrown out the window.

@@aurora_bae No. Obviously you know a child is from the mother it's born from, but thats not how genes and dominant genes pass down.

​@@jde-jj1luI assume your father was actually fucking retarded then, because how the fuck can someone become so stupid and dumb?

Someone didn't learn from the previous ruler lol

Viserys never became king to spite Rhaenys, he was literally elected as king.

Well he didn’t really chose to be king now did he the lords voted him in so how is it hypocritical if he had nothing to do with the choice?

That’s not what hypocrisy means lol

You don't know what hypocrisy even is, do you? I'm assuming English isn't your first language?

Because like they said after this scene, the fall of House Targaryen can only happen with inside conflict

The civil war but mainly because aegon witnessed the dance of dragons and his mothers death. He had no interest in dragons after the civil war and stopped breeding them. The few the dragon keepers did try to breed were small and sickly. I haven't read the book in a long time but basically that's why they died out. Edit: the aegon I'm talking about was rhaenys son aegon not alicent.

💀🤣🤣😭 Bro that's corlys

That's not even the bad Velaryon wig. The women look absolutely ridiculous. Could've at least given them the same hair as Corlys.

This is from an appendix, *"It was held at the enormous, half-ruined castle Harrenhal because it was the only location big enough to fit such a large and unprecedented gathering of all the lords in Westeros."*

Nope, the war happened largely because of him, some other characters like Daemon and Otto are also to blame but Viserys holds a large part in it. The reason is because he didn't pick a side. He was neither on the Black side or the Green side, he tried playing both. Because he loved both. He reinstalled Otto as hand and also married his daughter Alicent beforehand giving the greens a lot of power (they also became his regents whilst he was too sickly to govern). For the Black's he made Rhaenyra heir and didn't strip her of the position after Aegon ii was born and he kept allowing Daemon to do whatever he wants with little repercussion, also allowing Daemon and Rhaenyra to marry eachother. Plus he favoured the blacks on the succession crises of Driftmark (even though it was evident Lucerys was not the true heir to House Valeryon). All he had to do was pick a side. If he favoured the Blacks he should of named someone like Corlys or Daemon as his hand after Lyonels death, he should of made the Lords re swear their oaths to Rhaenyra, he should have made his green children (Aegon, Haleana, Aemond and Daeron) swear oaths to Rhaenyra. He also should have named her regent (instead of Otto and Alicent) whilst he was too sickly so that the change of rulership would pass over easily to Rhaenyra. If he preferred the Greens he should of never got rid of Otto for his spying of Rhaenyra. He should of named Aegon his heir right after his birth or when he was a teen (if he feared the child's assassination). He should of groomed Aegon ii to be a ruler instead of letting him be a drunkard. He should of recognised Rhaenyra's first children as bastards. He should have never let Rhaenyra and Daemon marry. There is still a large chance war could break out after his death. Both the Greens and Black's wouldn't be happy if the king had preferred the other in his decisions, however if he did pick a side the other would he greatly handicapped from it leading to a quick end to any war. But he didn't because he was a good man, bad father, and a terrible king.

@Raylan Givens My answer on how Viserys could've avoided war was from the point of the timeskip (episode 6) so from where I'm writing from this was the ways he could of avoided war. However he could've avoided it even further back, as you stated. He could've named Aegon heir as soon as he was born. Also about King Viserys remarriage. It was sort of necessary and sort of not. Yes he did need more Targaryens as the house had now dwindled to him, Rhaenyra,Daemon and if you want to count the cousins Rhaenys and her two children ( Vaegon may also still be alive but he's a maester and can't inherit). And if he had wanted to keep Daemon from being closer to the throne in the line of succession then having his male children was a great idea. But to prevent Rhaenyra being pushed aside for another heir there is an even better idea. Have her marry and birth heirs as soon as her naming as heir. In the books this isn't possible as I believe Rhaenyra is about 6 when this happens but in the show she is at least 13. Her and Alicent are the same age and she was able to give the King a son and daughter even before Rhaenyra was betrothed. Yes Rhaenyra would be unhappy being forced to marry so early and without any say but it would be for her benefit (she would probably end up marrying Leanor as she did by the end of her search for a consort). If Rhaenyra was the one to marry and birth children then there would be no need for Alicent and her side of the family. Rhaenyra and her children would of filled in the task of populating house Targaryen and her sons would have a better claim than Daemon and would not rebel against her (like her brothers did). If she decided to have her children secretly with Ser Harwin Strong then there would be no greens to contest her. Daemon may use it to lay a better claim but he was already disinherited by Viserys and would probably have little backing.

​@@amanimckenzie32 The war happened because of Viserys lool Jaehaerys has nothing to do with it.

this was the very first scene of the series.

He never wanted to make Rhaenys, or any woman, the heir. Even when he was young, Princess Daenerys was older than Prince Aemon and he named Aemon his heir. When Queen Alysanne pointed that out he said "oh they're gonna marry anyway, so it's the same thing". When Aemon died, he named Baelon his heir and that caused a major argument between Jae and Aly. And when Baelon too died, he held the council(Aly too was dead by then).

​@@AxeDharmeyea he always passed over his daughters for his son's it's half the reason his relationship with allysane went bad .

​@@AxeDharme amazing king, terrible father

How did you come to this conclusion you are speaking as if you knew Jaehaerys in person lool.

Well, the only reason Jaehaerys became king was because his neices were skipped

Jaeharys would have married Rhaenys to Viserys after the death of Rhaenys’ dad Aemon… Then Corlys would have been wed to Aemma

Of course

He become king because he is male , he benefited from the tradition then he broke it named his daughter as heir, while still have 3 sons. This never work in any dynasty when males line still exist. Just look at British empire, all the queen ascend to the thrones because there are no male left.

Same as how supporting Aegon the drunkard meant having the hightowers overthrow the Targaryens, just subtly.

This

I dunno man, maybe he just shaved earlier

The Queen who had no chance in hell 😂😂😂

The civilian killing lunatic? Hell no.

The girlboss who never was. Rest in piss, Rhaenys Targaryen.

​@@liamjm9278 pfft, like that's disqualifying.

No.

the chartacters in the story thought her claim legitimate enough to take it seriously, so if you don't understand why people think she had a shot that just means you only mistakenly think you know the story and its culture.

@@scottmatheson3346 what I said is exactly their I'm not sure how much you've paid attention because what I wrote IS their culture, demonstrably. The only ones on the series that thought Rhaenys should have gotten it were her husband, kids, and Rhaenyra. Not exactly a good sample size to measure the opinion of the realm, especially since all have a self serving reason for supporting it. Even though Rhaenyra was his only child and heir, most of the other lords had to be dragged kicking and screaming to accept her as heir. They weren't difficult because they didn't like her, it was solely because she was female and law and custom dictated that it goes to the oldest male heir. And despite the fact they said they'd accept it, they jumped ship at the first possible moment. Show me where I have it wrong.

Because it's too expesive to adapt the conquest. They will need a huge budget on FX alone, imagine to animate Aegon's dragon. I hear they will planning in doing an animation of the conquest.

King had a younger brother...and Viserys is his son

She is the son of the eldest son. Viserys is the grandson.

​@@pushpamurthy962no. Theybare both grandchildren.

Their fathers were brothers. Rhaenys from the elder, Viserys from the younger.

I read all the comments here to try and figure it out, yet left with more questions than answers.

Well good thing this is a fantasy world with dragons and other unrealistic nonsense. You must be fun at parties

That’s Hollywoke for you😒not very realistic

​@@LordWyatt that's fantasy for you

They’re trying to show you how they pass over the women heirs just because they are women, despite it would usually be their birth right. This is supposed to be set back when women didn’t necessarily have rights. Yes, its fantasy show but it still draws a little bit of our real life history where similar stuff like this happened to women.🤨

@@nobodyknows1015 actually sorry, inheritance always goes to the first male son, regardless of children birthed before him. That's where the entire conflict arises.

Yes, but she still wouod have several years of ruling in his name...Now that we know how thing ended that idea didn't sound so bad.

It was literally the first scene.

​@@corbans5796 😂

Thats corlys

why would he give the throne to a Velaryon?

​@@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm.... actually in the books it was Laenor vs Viserys in book though Leanor and Corlys are white.

@@levia9349 clearly he is not talking about the book because as you said the Velaryons are not black

that the women where not fitt to rule in the civilains and councils eyes

And why is that?

@@perun6318 Because Viserys was a lovely person, but ultimately too weak to be king. His errors and his inability to deal with the consequences are largely to blame for the Dance. Rhaenys, on the other hand, is shown to have a much more decisive and firm personality, and is also more cunning. Chances are she would’ve been a better monarch than Viserys.

@@bebelc2l And don’t you think if Rhaenys was queen we wouldn’t have Aegon II and illegitimate children fighting over succession he became weak after Aemmas passing

​@@bebelc2l agreed

@@bebelc2l You are forgetting one key thing here; Rhaenys was a woman. She could be the Conqueror reborn, but it wouldn’t matter, because the only thing the Lords of the Realm would see was woman trying to order them around, and they wouldn’t stand for it. Jaehaerys knew that because, unlike his grandson, he was blessed with the gift of good sense and foresight. He knew that naming a woman as heir to Iron Throne would cause the Realm to implode into civil war, much like it did decades later because Viserys couldn’t follow his grandfather’s footsteps.

I think it was Aemma

Rhaenyra targaryen

@@julialima3951 yes Rhaenyra, sorry I'm getting the names mixed up with Queen Aemma and Emma D'Arcy lol

rhaeneyra narrated that.

​@@Deepak__MehtaIs her crispy fried ghost narrating? The whole premise makes Zero sense because she gets killed in the end.

No.

​@@liamjm9278 yes

They were both already married, and Rhaenys had kids with Corlys.

​@@matthewhart9610 those impediments can be ... dealt with

Harrenhall

Why are they meetting in harrenhall instead of kings landing

@@aravindmohan5507 in the books, it was explained that Harrenhall is very large to host a huge gathering of people and during the vote at least 1000 lords arrived. Bonus that Harrenhall is the largest of all castles in Westeros.

And rigthly so.

In a medieval and male centric world when there are wars to fight, who would want a woman who couldn't even use a sword. Most women in that era were submissive to men, so who would respect the authority of a woman. Besides, Rhaenyra didn't even fight in the dance of dragons (if I am not mistaken), but Aegon ( a drunk whore) did, she would have made a horrible queen. Daenerys went crazy, and what about Cercei? Bad examples for queens.

cant blame them

Sexism is everywhere what can u expect???

@@Piotr12396 somethings are just for good

how the hell is trump leading the us presidential race then?