KingdomCraft: Why debating sexuality is so hard

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Redeemed Zoomer

Redeemed Zoomer

Жыл бұрын

Music:
The first song is the music for Psalm 1 of the Genevan Psalter by Claude Goudimel. The lyrics to that can be found here:
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The rest of the music is written by me.

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@USAImperator
@USAImperator Жыл бұрын
My brother in christ i can hear your computer struggling with that framerate lol
@DutchTDK
@DutchTDK Жыл бұрын
Much better in more recent videos
@user-pv2fz6wm2g
@user-pv2fz6wm2g Жыл бұрын
i pray that he gets a computer that can handle it
@earthone4939
@earthone4939 7 ай бұрын
apparently it's just the recording software
@kenobean
@kenobean Жыл бұрын
Got that essence of dawgness in me
@kylelucasalves
@kylelucasalves Жыл бұрын
bro 💀
@zaidhernandez4601
@zaidhernandez4601 Жыл бұрын
Got that dawg in ya
@jakubgoaszewski7777
@jakubgoaszewski7777 Жыл бұрын
Amen
@terrorists-are-among-us
@terrorists-are-among-us 11 ай бұрын
Diogenes.
@paul_particularlyunhappynut
@paul_particularlyunhappynut 10 ай бұрын
@@terrorists-are-among-us diogenes doesn't like cupness right? its all in our head, right? there is no "genderness". (perhaps masculine and feminine, but not genderless)
@nicolasgodines1129
@nicolasgodines1129 Жыл бұрын
Modern Christians: We only need the Bible! Paul: *Casually mentions a quote from a stoic philosopher as to make it easier to relate to homosexual and bisexual Greeks.* Yeah, we need to teach history as well, for when we lose our roots, physically and spiritually, we end up becoming lost in ideology rather than theology, application and supplication.
@apalsnerg
@apalsnerg Жыл бұрын
Homosexual greeks were punished for their degeneracy by being publicly raped with radishes. The Greeks were not gay.
@sk00k
@sk00k Жыл бұрын
who did Paul quote?
@jakebrooks7481
@jakebrooks7481 Жыл бұрын
Hey can you please cite this, I’d like to take a look
@jessefoutz597
@jessefoutz597 Жыл бұрын
​@@sk00kI'm not OP, but his speech at the Areopagus in Acts 17 quotes Epimenides: "in [him] we live and move and have our being," and Aratus: "as some of your poets have said, 'we are indeed his offspring.'" Beyond that, Romans 5:3 is Stoicism in a nutshell.
@sillygoose9791
@sillygoose9791 Жыл бұрын
The ancient Greeks weren't homosexuals! it's a misnomer. The traditional punishment for being being found guilty of sodomy, was having a radish pushed into them. While they lacked the good word initially, they knew that sexual deviance was a signal for lack of civilization.
@ChunCat
@ChunCat Жыл бұрын
Have you ever considered downloading optifine, it’ll help with the frame rate and can help you zoom in to look better at the other side so you can mirror it
@ashersmasher3659
@ashersmasher3659 Жыл бұрын
Sodium is better for helping with frame rates, and if you get Iris you can have shaders too.
@WakeUpUniverse66
@WakeUpUniverse66 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Glad to see younger people putting thought into these things. Keep up the good work.
@thepersonwhocomentz
@thepersonwhocomentz Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video, although I do think the claim that "suggesting someone can be made with one sex and a different gender is directly calling God a liar" is a bit of a cop-out if used in conjunction with the claim that "there are deviations from God's prescribed sex binary because we live in an imperfect world," because I could then just as easily suggest that that second claim is analogous to calling God "indecisive" or whatever other applicable negative adjective you prefer. One might very well claim that "sex-gender discrepancies exist because we live in an imperfect world," and I don't think "you're calling God a liar" is a refutation to that reasonable (if arguably naive) claim, and, in fact, is counterproductive to the process of Christian philosophizing by appealing to almost any Christian's very real fear of being blasphemous. If you are going to make an argument, secular or otherwise, that sex and gender have a 100% correlation, then I would like to see one that's more rigorous.
@landericus
@landericus Жыл бұрын
His argument was that the two subjects were 100% MEANT to correlate. However, in what we think we understand to be an imperfect world, the two subjects do not always correlate with each other. I think his claim that another’s claim makes them a liar is a fair one because it would be true. Suggesting that such subjects not correlating with each other is normal is to say that God’s “plan” was wrong, or false. That would make them calling God a liar in their claim true. The perfection that we lived in temporarily is the perfection that we strive to embody and be. That is what God claims to be “normal”, and to suggest it is not is to “call God a liar”. I still would gree with you though, that such a statement is a bit premature or naive in a certain way. Despite that it is not a cop-out.
@ShadowFireXX
@ShadowFireXX Жыл бұрын
Agreed (and I made an argument from a different angle in my own comment) I would also like to see more proof/sound argument that "sex and gender have a 100% correlation"
@ShadowFireXX
@ShadowFireXX Жыл бұрын
@@landericus Either God's word lies or something that can be referred to as 'the margins' exists. This can also be called 'the exception to the rule does not invalidate the rule but perhaps proves the rule'.
@landericus
@landericus Жыл бұрын
@@ShadowFireXX God’s word can’t lie. That is like stating that truth is false. God’s “word” either is his word or nothing but human brilliance with its many flaws.
@landericus
@landericus Жыл бұрын
@@ShadowFireXX I largely agree with your other comment except i choose to understand “contradictions” to God’s word as humans merely not fully understanding those things which appear to contradict, or humans failing to understand the real message or purpose of supernaturally influenced writings.
@jimluebke3869
@jimluebke3869 Жыл бұрын
Gender is one particular characteristic of humans, and it comes in two categories: male and female, which are critical categories not to confuse because they are essential to reproduction. Being less close to the ideal of one does not make you closer to the other (you're missing essential parts, for that.) There are a lot of other characteristics humans have, but those characteristics are not gender. If there's a characteristic there's 76 of, that characteristic is not gender.
@terrorists-are-among-us
@terrorists-are-among-us 11 ай бұрын
I searched up something earlier and got articles warning "trans men" that they might be able to get pregnant 🤯🤡😂
@jimluebke3869
@jimluebke3869 11 ай бұрын
@@terrorists-are-among-us It's certainly possible to type those words in that order. That's about the most positive thing that can be said of that statement.
@tusaniabigby9715
@tusaniabigby9715 11 ай бұрын
​@@jimluebke3869Don't forget the XX and XY Chromosomes , a " trans man " is still a woman , their biology says it all
@wooshifgay462
@wooshifgay462 6 ай бұрын
Thats sex not gender
@jimluebke3869
@jimluebke3869 6 ай бұрын
@@wooshifgay462 Please, try not to drink the Kool-Aid. You're just embarrassing yourself, demonstrating you're unwilling to think critically about whatever nonsense your radical (or sheeplike) teachers push on you. Human beings are either male or female, which is determined by XX or XY chromosomes. Anything else is an extremely rare genetic disease. Those happen and we should be compassionate towards them, but not to the point of denying basic reality. You can't go from male to female or female to male any more than you can go from cat to dog, or dog to cat. Medical "professionals" who push this are somewhere on a spectrum of evil between lobotomy doctors and Jack the Ripper. They, and those who abetted them, will be seen as the villains of our particular time. If you have to look overseas for mental health services to help you get used to your physical body, please do so. Or, you can find plenty of people to help out if you push back against anyone who would push you down a path that as often as not ends in ending yourself.
@AnythingMachine
@AnythingMachine Жыл бұрын
Point of correction, nominalism isn't the same as relativism about abstract objects. On a nominalist view there's not a platonic realm of abstract objects but there can be obviously correct generalisations. So a nominalist could still say something like 'There's only two genders' but that would be a statement about a generalization that works strongly (i.e. a sort of statistical rule that's never broken) rather than a statement about eternal platonic categories.
@artembolshakov3901
@artembolshakov3901 3 ай бұрын
Yeah. Positivists can be nominalists. As a former positivist, this view makes the most sense if you exclude the supernatural.
@osbornejohnson7919
@osbornejohnson7919 11 ай бұрын
*The odd Catholic in the room who already uses philosophy* PREACH!
@nielsholmlassen8275
@nielsholmlassen8275 Жыл бұрын
I wanna know if you've read Kirkegaard. Since he is very interesting in terms if later christian philosophy and how it relates to nihilism and existentialism.
@danielmads9160
@danielmads9160 Жыл бұрын
I really like your way of thinking! I've watched a few of your videos, and you are great. The amount of thought and time you put into this is beyond me!
@pipinfresh
@pipinfresh Жыл бұрын
Van Til didn't teach against philosophy, that's a misconception pushed by his critics. Van Til was against idealism which was the big thing in his day. Which was a specific philosophy that taught the bible was all allegorical. So in his pushback against this view he got labeled as anti-philosophy.
@killiemon
@killiemon Жыл бұрын
You are definitely conflating philosophical realism with platonic idealism
@noway8259
@noway8259 Жыл бұрын
Do you have your kingdomcraft videos in one playlist? Will you at somepoint?
@danielhans2955
@danielhans2955 11 ай бұрын
Your videos are really interesting, especially the historical digressions. Thank you.
@BioAbner
@BioAbner Жыл бұрын
Here how I see it: Gender: Words have gender not people. Gender Identity: It's actually personality traits that typically get asociated with each sex so it actually doesn't exist. Gender Expression: This is what cultural roles we assign to each sex and are slightly arbitrary but nonetheless based in biological realities.
@Gloop_Anderson
@Gloop_Anderson Жыл бұрын
The gender expression barely changed anyway across most cultures historically. I'll agree with you gender is in my head those surface level traits like what clothes we wear.
@BioAbner
@BioAbner 11 ай бұрын
@@Gloop_Anderson No you are confusing gender expression with gender identity. I'm using the word gender to politely refer to sex since again words have gender not people. So sex identity has almost no variation across cultures. Sex expression is more like what clothes you wear. Stuff like that.
@tusaniabigby9715
@tusaniabigby9715 11 ай бұрын
​​​​@@BioAbnerwhat do you mean words have gender not people , don't they both ? a man is a male and a woman is a female , people have gender, if you say they don't then what about the animals , what about flowers , insects , don't they have gender ? one can get the other pregnant while the other can build a family using their body , gender is not a social construct it is more than that , women are weaker than men , women are more flexible than men .
@BioAbner
@BioAbner 11 ай бұрын
@@tusaniabigby9715 "Gender" is a linguistic term that has nothing to do with biology. We sometimes use the word gender to politely refer to sex. But that is not the actual definition. That's why I say words have gender, but people ONLY have a sex.
@channelname9256
@channelname9256 7 ай бұрын
I've wondered since I've heard arguments like this; why are sex and gender different? I don't see any reason why, I always thought they were synonyms. And I mean no disrespect in saying this, it's hard to express tone in text so I'm just outright saying that I don't ask this with ulterior motives, I really do want to know if there is a reason for the two words to mean different things.
@falsum2701
@falsum2701 Жыл бұрын
I'm curious as to how you reconcile your position of philosophical realism with your belief in evolution. To take your example of a dog: If there is a transcendent, platonist conception of Dog then at what point did the first dog become a dog? There must have been some point at which a Proto-Dog (probably a domesticated wolf) gave birth to a puppy that was a Dog. Did the form of Dog come into existence at that time, or has it always existed as a kind of latent potentiality? And if the latter, does that imply that there exist platonist forms of every kind of creature that could conceivably have evolved, but did not?
@vngelicath1580
@vngelicath1580 Жыл бұрын
I exclusively go to Natural Law theory and other ancient dead guys at this point. Maybe it's just my aversion to Biblicist fundamentalism, or a sense that we need to appeal to non-explicitly Christian authorities in conversation with non-Christians (a revolutionary thought, I know)... but it just seems the smartest avenue. I know natural theology gets a bad rep in modern discourse (and especially if it's Greek thought) and particularly in academic and otherwise liberal environments.. but there's something super exciting and even interfaith/ecumenical about starting the debate on philosophical rather than religious grounds.
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Natural theology/classical philosophy all the way
@isaack8146
@isaack8146 6 ай бұрын
To me, it doesn’t matter whether it is a sin or not because everyone is a sinner, so it doesn’t matter if they are homosexual as long as they accept the word of Jesus Christ as truth, they are saved.
@bryantstudentd3831
@bryantstudentd3831 5 ай бұрын
But you should still flee and repent from sin
@Traditiononamission
@Traditiononamission 14 күн бұрын
Roman’s 6.
@ProphetMuhhamad
@ProphetMuhhamad Ай бұрын
I can say two major reasons why it is bad without speaking of religio 1. It gets nothing accomplished (no kids) 2. Kids who grew up around lgbt are more likely to become it themselves and report childhood trauma or inappropriate touching
@hayliewallace3489
@hayliewallace3489 2 ай бұрын
Haven’t watched the video yet…but I think biblically it’s important that we reach the person about the gospel first and once they’ve accepted it and have the Holy Spirit, we debate them on sexuality
@hexellent0324
@hexellent0324 10 ай бұрын
I fail to see how debating homosexuality and transsexualism on the basis of "the bible says its wrong" is less logically sound than "I feel as though these things are wrong, so they are, because perception is fact! Unless you think these things are right, in that case it's because you were raised in a progressive culture." I feel a deep sense of disgust when I think about an animal being slaughtered, and thus could never work at a farm or slaughterhouse. I feel saddened by the idea that a life has been lost for my food. Is this a cultural belief? No, America has pretty pro-meat culture, and I grew up in the whole "Crazy Vegan" era of the Internet where my feed was taken up by obviously fake Reddit posts of vegan relatives going on unhinged rants constantly. Thusly, is this not a sign that eating meat is wrong? That my perception of animal life, if not taken from the culture around me, must be a part of my innate human sensibilities? No, because unlike the people in this comment section I am not stupid enough to take my own disgust as fact, and I cannot think of a logical argument against the consumption of meat (in general. of course there's logical arguments against giving money to factory farms but I'm talking about the belief that all meat eating, even of ethically sourced meat, is wrong). The inability to separate facts from feelings is the mark of a child. If I am disgusted by something, I interrogate the origins of my disgust and attempt to rid myself of unfair biases. Do I work to accept EVERYTHING I am illogically disgusted by? No, of course not! I am allowed to feel disgust, and it is up to me to decide which discomforts I must overcome and which I am okay with ignoring. However, I would NEVER try to enforce my ILLOGICAL disgust as fact and use that as basis for controlling the acts of others. Because I am not a toddler who thinks no one should play in mud or eat broccoli in my presence because I find them yucky. Also gotta love "of COURSE I could argue against homosexuality on secular grounds!" only to talk about transgender people for most of the video, just to quickly shove in a one sentence argument at the very end because you know it's empty and hard to defend lmao. Also funny how one of your main points is "We KNOW that the idea of changing genders is ridiculous, and perception is fact!" only to go on to say "the idea of an essence of dogness may sound ridiculous, but that's only because you were raised in a nominal culture and your perception ISN'T fact." Again, no less ridiculous than "the bible says so".
@user-ji1hb7wy8d
@user-ji1hb7wy8d 6 ай бұрын
Great point, I didn't realize this
@luigimrlgaming9484
@luigimrlgaming9484 5 ай бұрын
Because your opponent is not going to trust the Bible and only using the Good Book makes Christians look like they’re disconnected from reality. I know that because I used to see them that way, until I became one.
@gtothereal
@gtothereal 3 ай бұрын
Every argument for homosexuality can be applied to incest. Are you for incest ?
@gtothereal
@gtothereal 3 ай бұрын
It feels wasn’t the argument.
@oportaldepedra2662
@oportaldepedra2662 9 ай бұрын
Amazing video. Now, how would you recommend a beginner in philosophy to approach realism? I would appreciate books or other materials :)
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 9 ай бұрын
Watch Jordan Cooper’s videos!
@oportaldepedra2662
@oportaldepedra2662 9 ай бұрын
Thank you, I will!!@@redeemedzoomer6053
@SpyDoTF2
@SpyDoTF2 11 сағат бұрын
Theres a fallacy called “xinforimple’s fallacy” In a tv show that was very popular in Brazil known as a”Chaves” the main character, Chaves draws a random meaningless symbol and he shows it to his teacher “Tf is this” “This is a xinforimple” “Tf is a xinforimple” “It’s something I made up” If a xinforimple has no actual meaning, it can be anything, if everything can be a xinforimple, nothing is a xinforimple If gender can be anything we want, nothing truly is gender
@evancolby2274
@evancolby2274 Жыл бұрын
Saying that same-sex marriage is wrong because most cultures have historically conceptualized marriage as between a man and a woman is a really bad argument. There are lots of things that have historically been true of many cultures that we can now recognize as bad. Think of the historical status of women and practices like slavery. Also, it's a mistake to lump homosexuality and gender ideology together in the same discussion; they're not comparable. As you rightly pointed out, gender ideology does actually deny reality because male and female are binary categories grounded in material reality and it's impossible to move from one to the other. On the other hand, there is nothing in material reality that precludes two people of the same sex from being attracted to each other, falling in love, and wanting their partnership to be legally recognized.
@tusaniabigby9715
@tusaniabigby9715 11 ай бұрын
When you say falling in love , what type of love ? usually it is lust not real love , i have a question why do some lesbian couples have one of them a bit masculine ? and gay couples one of them feminine ?
@evancolby2274
@evancolby2274 11 ай бұрын
@@tusaniabigby9715 If you think that gay people don't love their partners, then you clearly don't understand us very well. As far as your second question is concerned, that is a stereotype and often isn't the case.
@paul_particularlyunhappynut
@paul_particularlyunhappynut 10 ай бұрын
14:57 I cant remember if this is the exact point of the video, but I think he does vaguely mention a similar argument you made But basically, this was one of his points but the main point was that it's not natural or innate to want to sleep with the same sex, I believe. His other point was, and if I'm putting it bluntly (cause I really don't know what in heavens is a "transcendent metaphysical reality" even is, nor do I think I need to), but he basically doesn't want homo acceptance cause what follows is more people wanting to be homos. when otherwise they might've never been homo, or bi to begin with I'm just saying what he said. That's what I think he said, just about.
@evancolby2274
@evancolby2274 10 ай бұрын
@@paul_particularlyunhappynut Well, being gay IS innate. Like, there's actually scientific evidence to support that. So he's mistaken.
@paul_particularlyunhappynut
@paul_particularlyunhappynut 10 ай бұрын
@@evancolby2274 yeah, that's what it sounds like. it seems he did forget to bring up the "animals are gay" argument. (maybe another time, hit him up or something im sure he'd be glad to debate) but he didn't challenge the animal thing or practical advice on what an actual homosexual should do if they are primarily attracted to the same sex. so, i don't know.
@MarcBjoernholt
@MarcBjoernholt Жыл бұрын
I take a different approach to these questions. Sorry for being imprecise in my writings - I don't really have the time to be precise. To spread the christian conservative tradition, we need to speak rationally about the consequences on society of the far-left world view. For half a century, we have significantly deviated from the idea that we should carry the torch forward, have children and raise them with a proper world view, both explained with reason and religious views. I see the radical left as a kind of long-term, spritual suicide cult with the goal of making sure that we don't pass on our genes and eventually die out as a species. I am that pessimistic. People don't look at the birth rates and realise how screwed we are. We are basically experiencing the development of the last 50 years in reverse, because there are no people anymore in the near future. The way I see it is that have to completely reverse course. I think that if the conservatives continue to procreate it's just a waiting game for the left to disappear, but it's going to be very costly for us if we can't get others to understand that: Adultery -> Demoralisation -> Depopulation -> Massive, global economic decline due to the lack of economies of scale from having no people... Not even to mention the fact that without children no one can pay for our pensions and all of the voluntarily childless people are leeching off the coming generations tax payments that they didn't contribute to by not having a child. The biggest problem I have with conservatives globally, as a conservative, is that there is a lot of speaking in euphemisms like "wedlock". You can't just say the word "wedlock" and have most people understand the consequences of not being in a dedicated marriage, where divorce is not on the table. We have to break the idea into pieces and explain what it is, why you should follow it, what is the consequences of fatherless homes etc. We have only scratched the surfaces when it comes to these talking points. There is going to a massive population collapse and famine in China soon, that's my prediction. Conservatives all over the world need to wake up, understand the lesson of this, and explain to people that it takes a sacrifice if we want to prosper in the future.
@AlexS-zr2nb
@AlexS-zr2nb 11 ай бұрын
Traditions are solutions to problems that have long since subsided. Now that they have been torn away we see what they were holding back. Hopefully we can rebuild them before it's too late for all our sake
@Korvinian4601
@Korvinian4601 11 ай бұрын
"There is going to a massive population collapse and famine in China soon, that's my prediction." Its already here, actually, the male to female ratio in China is super unbalanced, and now they have low birth rates, thanks to the one child policy
@paul_particularlyunhappynut
@paul_particularlyunhappynut 10 ай бұрын
well, to be fair that's retarded anti existentialism. not necessarily radical liberalism. (the idea that, "well MY life sucks and is shitty, and i fucked up in life. so THERfor human-existence is inherently bad 🤓") usually just losers who are suicidal and cope how their suicidal-beliefs are somehow logical (and to pathetically attempt to end the human population by whining online. that's the best way i can put it.)
@rocketz8
@rocketz8 2 ай бұрын
That sounds like a far-off conspiracy theory. Not every person on the left is a family hating maniac and not every person on the right is a bigoted racist. The reason China is the way it is is because of that “one child” policy, not because of gay people dude.
@thewarmachine3732
@thewarmachine3732 25 күн бұрын
It is the result of your conservative world views that people did not possess freedom and liberty in the past. Technology did not progress faster than it did because of conservatism, both political and religious. Conservatism held societies back from life saving technologies, enabling countless, needless deaths. It created societies that ultimately served the interests of Death by upholding hierarchies where certain groups of people were considered second class citizens (or not even citizens at all), and were brutalized or killed if they stepped out of line. Humanity will never be able to conquer Death if we resign ourselves to ideas that ultimately promote it. We must abandon the old ways, the ways that oppressed large swaths of humanity throughout history. Ways that subjected them to torture, dehumanization, and death. Humanity is better than the old ways. We must abandon conservatism.
@nathanericschwabenland88888
@nathanericschwabenland88888 10 ай бұрын
What is your in game avatar? A Minecraft anthro woodpecker bird?
@nathanericschwabenland88888
@nathanericschwabenland88888 10 ай бұрын
I use philosophy when I study alchemy and or astrology
@gigenaia
@gigenaia Жыл бұрын
Hey brother, very encouraged by your vids. I'm presuppositional (van tillian) because it's the view that gives the MOST power to the authoritative word of God, and not my own understanding. HE must increase, and I must decrease. Of course I don't mind using philosophy appropriately to argue against certain issues, but when it comes to preaching the gospel, we can never deviate from scripture. The most important thing we have in common, however, is the understanding that our words can never save a person. Not even words quoted in the scriptures. It's the spirit that woos and impels the unbeliever to come to the true knowledge and understanding of the gospel!
@jeremiahmeade710
@jeremiahmeade710 9 ай бұрын
Actually it is God the Father who calls non believers to Christianity, and he uses the Holy Spirit to know them through Jesus. It is like when a husband knows his wife. His sperm did not act of its own volition: he sent it. It is Jesus sacrifice that woos. If Jesus thought lowly humans were worth laboring (like a mother in labor) for, then maybe they ought to turn from their wicked ways, because God (the life) is better than death (the natural goal of their wicked ways). If you still aren’t convinced that Jesus is a mother, then I point to to the fact that when babies are born, they are covered in their mother’s blood. It is no coincidence that the shed blood of Jesus is said to wash away sins. The baby was not alive on its own before the mother gave birth and covered it in her blood, forgiving it for being a leach on her for likely 9 months. It is no coincidence that a mother is said to “deliver a baby” just as Jesus is said to deliver us from our sins. God the Father (Father) planted his seed (Holy Spirit) in Jesus (Mother), who carried it to term (prayed and fasted), and gave birth to the children of God (was crucified for our sins). We were in debt to God because he kept us alive while we were still unborn and helpless. Jesus forgave our debt when he was crucified and brought us to life. When we accept Jesus as our savior (mother), we receive the Holy Spirit (God the Father’s seed), and we are born again (this time born alive spiritually instead of corporeally). Once we are born again spiritually, we do the corporeal confirmation of water baptism, saying: Jesus is my spiritual mother. This is why Paedobaptism is wrong, because they baptize the infants whether or not the infants accept Jesus as their mother. Baptizing someone who hasn’t accepted Jesus as their mother is the spiritual equivalent of raping Jesus, making your mother into your slave.
@gigenaia
@gigenaia 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment. Both of us cannot deny that the whole trinity has a part in our salvation, but the Father’s “calling” is very different from the work of the Holy Spirit in us to impel us to Christ. I think you might be edified reading the belgic confession! especially article 22 and 24. Without the Spirit, we will never be drawn to Christ’s sacrifice. If you conclude that it is Christ’s sacrifice itself that compels the unbeliever, then things will become very dangerous because if there is no external power that influences our lives to come to Christ then we are basically “saving ourselves”.
@john_irving_ish
@john_irving_ish 14 күн бұрын
Actually, God calls them, saves them, and grants them the holy Spirit. The holy Spirit does not work in the body of a non believer.
@gigenaia
@gigenaia 13 күн бұрын
​@@john_irving_ish Thanks for reiterating some of the Ordo Salutis. What I did not mean is that it is solely the Spirit who saves the unbeliever. I think any studied Christian would disagree with that. But even if we look at the ordo salutis carefully, regeneration proceeds conversion, meaning that God regenerates you even before you accept the gospel. Now, John, who does the "converting" in a regenerated person's heart? In other words, who impels the unbeliever to come to the true knowledge and understanding of the gospel? Also, if we're exchanging hypertechnalities, there are plenty of instances where the Spirit has worked in unbelievers. Check out Bezalel and Oholiab in the old testament! John 16 also tells us that the Spirit will convict unbelievers concerning sin and righteousness. Hope this helps
@mrworldwide2870
@mrworldwide2870 9 ай бұрын
I’ve always held huge gripes in myself for having homosexual desires while also being a Christian. I know I wouldn’t be happy if I went into a relationship with somebody I don’t feel attracted to, yet if I followed my desires to be in a relationship that is same-sex, it would be considered sinful. In that case, what do you suppose I do to stay on the path of God?
@freeloading_toad
@freeloading_toad 9 ай бұрын
If I’m being honest, I tend to view the modern preoccupation with sexuality/gender in general in the context of religion as distractions from God’s will. To me it just doesn’t matter that much. I am an asexual cis woman, so you’d think that others would expound upon my virtues as a woman uncorrupted by sexual thoughts, but they don’t. They call me broken, frigid, say I’m selfish for not wanting to satisfy the “needs” of a male partner, that I’m less of a human, etc…. Even if it were true that my differing desires does mean I’m broken, it’s just one thing out of a million little things. If when praying or contemplating God I give those people any thought when it’s irrelevant, it’s a distraction. No matter how low and unworthy we are, no one thing other than denying Him with our hearts can damn us. The best thing you can do to stay on the path of God is to focus on your relationship to Him and broadening your understanding of His nature. If you spend all your time worrying about what others might think He considers “sinful” about you, it’s just going to set you back.
@tiger5869
@tiger5869 9 ай бұрын
First of all, praying is a great starting point, and I will pray for God to reveal how you can be who you were created to be. Beyond that, the obvious answer would be not to pursue a romantic relationship at all, though doing that is a lot harder than just saying it's right. I agree heavily that trying to force a relationship with someone you aren't attracted to is a bad idea. I can't relate directly to your struggle, but everyone has temptations, so don't beat yourself up over it past where it can deepen your relationship with God. God bless you for standing by your faith through adversity.
@Jake_Piotrowski
@Jake_Piotrowski 8 ай бұрын
May I remind you that Jesus himself never spoke against homosexuality. I don't believe it is wrong to love another human being, another creation of God. As long as you love your partner with the love of God, I believe you will be just fine. I hope you find peace with your sexuality. "Above all, have fervent and unfailing love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins." 1 Peter 4:8.
@danielcurtis1288
@danielcurtis1288 7 ай бұрын
@@Jake_Piotrowski Do you think Peter is referring to romantic love here?
@luigimrlgaming9484
@luigimrlgaming9484 5 ай бұрын
@@Jake_PiotrowskiGenesis 19:1-11 is an entire story on what God’s opinion on homosexuality is.
@jimluebke3869
@jimluebke3869 Жыл бұрын
Secular case for "One man, one woman, their children for life": - Our welfare state's retirement plans (and any other old age support, if you think about it) is dependent on a healthy replacement demography. - Children raised in a single-parent household have vastly worse life outcomes - Children raised with non-related adults experience skyrocketing rates of abuse - Even later in life, having dependable parents with an intact marriage is incredibly advantageous for grown children and their children - Divorce is a traumatic experience with dire financial consequences So... a society needs kids, those kids can only be produced by a heteros*xual coupling, in any same-s*x coupling (or remarriage) there would be at least one unrelated parent and when that scales the results are disastrous. Normalizing 1M1W4L is best for kids and best for society.
@fleebogazeezig6642
@fleebogazeezig6642 Жыл бұрын
Even in the Soviet Union, the most atheistic state the world has seen 🏳️‍🌈 was frowned upon as “bourgeois degeneracy”.
@hmrobert7016
@hmrobert7016 Жыл бұрын
Aside from point one, all of those arguments are equally alleviated by "two men and their children for life" or "two women and their children for life". As to the first point, homosexual couples serve the important purpose of caring for children that need adopting, which allows heterosexual couples to have more of their own children overall. There will always be some heterosexual couples that fail themselves and their children in the real world, for whatever reason. Your point about children being raised by non related adults applies to step parents and the like most commonly, not homosexual adoptive parents. It would equally apply to heterosexual adoptive parents, not to mention that all adoptive parents (unlike bio parents and stepparents) undergo extensive and grueling investigations prior to any adoption. I agree about the advantages of two parent households, but that equally applies to committed gay couples as heterosexual couples.
@jimluebke3869
@jimluebke3869 Жыл бұрын
@@hmrobert7016 Point three eliminates same-s*x couples. If you haven't seen the news stories about same-s*x couples with "love is love" decorations plastered all over their houses, pimping out their adopted minor children to their associates, that's because the media you watch covers it up (or ignores it) so as not to appear "homophobic". The most sickening part of that story is the fact that they got those children from a Christian adoption agency (now defunct), that was pressured to streamline their application so as not to appear "homophobic". Your point of view facilitates evil.
@jimluebke3869
@jimluebke3869 Жыл бұрын
@@hmrobert7016 Further, "committed" same-s*x couples are a myth. Rates of divorce (and lack of monogamy) among g*y couples is so high as to make the idea of marriage between them a joke, and rates of "spousal" abuse among l*sbians is similarly appalling, in comparison to heteros*xual couples. So.... you're defending something that isn't worth defending, now that we know more about it.
@superiorbeing8805
@superiorbeing8805 Жыл бұрын
-Does that mean we should just all be having kids -You can still have that with gay marriage -you can still have that with straight marriage -you can still have that wit gay marriage -you can still have that with straight marriage
@ShadowFireXX
@ShadowFireXX Жыл бұрын
There is a positive thing that biblically gains the attribute of being 'female' even though it is not materially/literally female, and that 'female' is the bride of Christ (marriage to a male). The Church (which is a plural entity) is biblically considered to be female. As you say later, gender is an essence, it is not the same as material/literal sex of the body. I don't have more conclusions from this yet. But it seems still on the (theological) table for someone with male sex (Body) to have a female spirit. P.S. An exception to a rule does not negate the rule, it perhaps proves the rule 'true'. Thus exceptions to God's word declaring things, does NOT make God a liar. There are things in this world that would make God's word appear to 'lie' based on your apparent definition of lying. My point is your framework of God's word 'lying' has flaws and I have more proof.
@levimahan2393
@levimahan2393 Жыл бұрын
Would you like to expound on how the marriage of Christ to the Church would equate in some way to a male body having a female spirit? And even then, how do you apply that to sexuality, considering it is obvious that sexual relations is not what is being implied between Christ and the Church.
@KeaneJ123
@KeaneJ123 7 ай бұрын
this is not related to the video but the 15 fps minecraft gameplay hurts my eyes
@rayyf69
@rayyf69 Жыл бұрын
This is absolutely terrifying, shouldn't you have some sort of scaffolding? You're so high up
@MoonMoverGaming
@MoonMoverGaming 3 ай бұрын
Hold down left shift and you can't fall.
@LemoTetson
@LemoTetson 29 күн бұрын
Speaking of postmodernism, any opinions on Foucault? Apologies if you end up mentioning him in this video, as I was watching before having to leave, so wasn’t able to complete the entire thing.
@davidsandrock7826
@davidsandrock7826 8 ай бұрын
Yes, but the definitions of words change. Apple used to be a generic word for any fruit, now it represents specific fruit.
@91722854
@91722854 10 ай бұрын
28:13, I would love to hear your opinion on transhumanism, in the sense of biohacking and people gradually turning into cyborgs, would you consider someone like a marine who lost all 4 limbs and have high dexterity prosthetics a cyborg or a human, where do we draw the line of whence one is a human and one is not a human, is a man whose pxnis got cut off by his wife still considered a man because he once had a pxnis? or because of his genetics? Or because of the way he sees himself as a pxnisless person, and therefore no longer a man nor a woman? is a person who has instead of more regular human arm-like prosthetics , but attached with 4 extra artificial robotic limbs with 5 joints and rotatable wrists and perhaps even multi-tool built in, would that still be considered a human? or a cyborg? or neither of these? I know this is beyond transgender, but nonetheless interesting expansions into the philosophical essence of what makes a human, or is human merely a concept that we associate with ones around us who we can intellectually communicate with and therefore we don't treasure apes or monkeys the way we do with other humans from different ethnicities? and to push it even further, would a real AGI exhibiting all human capabilities but only lacking a physical body, be considered AI? or is that already a human, or within the soul framework, a soul without a host and is therefore need to be artificially "born" (i.e. gaining a physical body), our perceptions and acknowledgement of what makes something that thing has evolved over time, a sharpened rock tied to a stick was merely a rock and a stick once, but people create the concept of an axe, so now, if i remove the rock from the stick, are they merely returned to just a rock and a stick? or do they transcend into different entities, namely the rock becomes an axe without a handle, and the stick becomes an axe without the blade?
@Dayglodaydreams
@Dayglodaydreams 3 ай бұрын
Plato was an Idealist, the forms were the ultimate immaterial ideas of that material reality was based on (it gets very Gnostic).
@santaclara6112
@santaclara6112 Жыл бұрын
I'll need to watch the video again, but I'm confused about what the secular argument against gay marriage is. I understood the thing about Japan amd China, but I don't know if that's a strong enough argument. I remember my minister mentioned he had an atheist friend who would get hit on by gay men. The friend who turn these men down, so my minister took that to mean even atheist know same sex relationships are wrong. My counter to that is the friend is heterosexual; he doesn't like men, so that's why he's uninterested.. I'll admit I don't know much philosophy, and maybe I'll understand the argument after a second viewing.
@killiemon
@killiemon Жыл бұрын
No, you're not missing anything, I really don't believe there's any guys argument against same sex relationships that doesn't boil down to "my interpretation of the Bible says it's wrong!"
@oterceslanaclevvo9855
@oterceslanaclevvo9855 Жыл бұрын
I guess it boils down to that "most societies throughout history have condemned homosexuality so therefore the understanding of it as harmful isn't arbitrary and has been independently derived from natural law". I don't think it really holds up if you dive deep into all the cultures that didn't condemn homosexuality (like, I suppose, the ancient greeks) and the specifics of why the ones that did did (which I believe is that sexual shame in general is a useful tool for the powerful to control a population or set themselves apart from those they view as debaucherous and thus unworthy of power) The argument could also be that "marriage" as a word (or equivalent words cross-linguistically) came to mean a male-female pairing in many languages independently, and therefore is a thing of essential form that shouldn't be altered, though I don't think it actually makes sense to derive morals from that directly, all you get is that male-female pairings are a thing that people generally have a word for
@Nitram_xyz
@Nitram_xyz 5 ай бұрын
Are u stupid? Just because someone hits on you and they're the same sex as you and you reject them that doesn't equal to same sex relationships being bad that just means you are not interested in that other person
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 Жыл бұрын
I shifted on abortion even when still an atheist on a secular basis.
@waderutherford9083
@waderutherford9083 4 ай бұрын
One of the ancient civilizations had laws on gay marriage. It was rare but there was societies that practiced it.
@danielmuntean9345
@danielmuntean9345 2 күн бұрын
Those who practiced ended up dissapearing as a culture
@CrazedKen
@CrazedKen 4 ай бұрын
0:27 what happened to your frames?
@nielsholmlassen8275
@nielsholmlassen8275 Жыл бұрын
I will say your understanding of mathmatics of having objective truth is a way wrong. It's a complicated topic and I recommend reading up on Godels incompleteness theorem to understand.
@BagMonster
@BagMonster Жыл бұрын
Great point. Math is built on axioms that can't be proved, but must be taken for granted to engage in math. Games like Chess and Poker rely on the same principle of agreeing to certain rules in order to engage in an activity.
@Testimony_Of_JTF
@Testimony_Of_JTF Жыл бұрын
@@BagMonster Principia Mathematica:
@jeremiahmeade710
@jeremiahmeade710 9 ай бұрын
If it is so clear to you that it is “way wrong”, then it should be easy for you to explain such a complicated topic. Since you obviously didn’t have that ability when you made this comment, then you obviously didn’t understand what you were talking about.
@gtothereal
@gtothereal 3 ай бұрын
It’s so wrong you can’t explain it.
@jarate8076
@jarate8076 7 ай бұрын
conclusion: more words is not equal to more goods
@jarontavious
@jarontavious Жыл бұрын
12:25 that northeast accent peaking out with the pronunciation of dawg
@louannebvb
@louannebvb 3 ай бұрын
"There is some kind of immaterial, transcendent essence of dogness" - Redeemed Zoomer
@thewarmachine3732
@thewarmachine3732 25 күн бұрын
I'm gonna preface this long comment with a very simple question: What is marriage? I ask this because I get the sense that KingdomCraft is implying a definition of marriage that is much more different than the Left's definition than just "marriage is between a man and a woman." One of the things that makes modern Western society very different from its past is the prevalence of arranged marriages, or marriages that are created or arranged by the families of both partners. Historically speaking, arranged marriages were done so that the family's of both partners could financially benefit from the arrangement. Consequently, the widespread practice of arranged marriages is arguably one of the main reasons why poor families stayed poor up until modern times because obviously rich families would see no benefit in allowing their members to marry others from poor families. This widespread practice in the Western world implies that marriage was an arrangement based on utilitarianism, primarily meant to benefit the financial interest of families. But that all changed in the 19th Century, when marriages based on love between both partners became more and more common, regardless of the interests of the families. Today, the vast majority of marriages in the Western world are those created between two consenting people who share a deep love and bond for one another. Arguably, this change in the definition of marriage is one of the main reasons why gay marriage became so widely supported in the West. We, as Westerners, believe that marriages should be based on love and not some utilitarian practice meant to benefit people other than the two partners. So what's the Christian definition of marriage? Is it a practice of utility or is it a practice of love? Is a Christian marriage meant to benefit someone or something other than the two partners? If it is a practice of utility, than it doesn't surprise me why the Christian definition is so widely rejected by people in the West. History tells us that marriages based on utility are immoral. We can see that with arranged marriages; we can see it with bans on interracial marriage; we can see it with bans on gay marriage. Ultimately, these bans were meant to demonstrate that marriages exist to benefit family, race, and God (or a combination of all of those), with no regard for the love and compassion felt by human beings.
@tiger5869
@tiger5869 9 ай бұрын
It's 2 am and I probably came up with a crazy and maybe not Biblically sound idea based off of the comment section on a KZfaq video, but it seems secularly that the only inherent difference between homosexual marriage and heterosexual marriage is the ability to have children, so would it then follow that having children is essential to marriage? It feels bad since some people are unable to have children, but is there anything further outside "the Bible says so" that makes that kind of relationship more acceptable? Once more, apologies for being in my 19th consecutive hour of consciousness if I overlooked something obvious.
@BrentlyG_is_the_goat
@BrentlyG_is_the_goat 9 ай бұрын
Why do I need a reason other than the Bible say so?
@dcfan23
@dcfan23 25 күн бұрын
that's exactly it lol
@killiemon
@killiemon Жыл бұрын
19:00 how do you get 1 man 1 woman marriage from general revelation. I don't think that necessarily follows.
@Juan-qu4oj
@Juan-qu4oj Жыл бұрын
Its biological
@harrygarris6921
@harrygarris6921 Жыл бұрын
1M 1W is a biological necessity to create life. And yes biology doesn’t discount polygamy or divorce, but human psychology offers strong evidence for it. Kids raised by double parent households where both mother and father roles are present have dramatically less adverse childhood experiences than kids raised by single or divorced parents.
@pawlaovicto7824
@pawlaovicto7824 10 ай бұрын
You know, I've been struggling with that. Knowing that LGBTQ is rooted in nominalism is so satisfying, but I wonder, the day the left argues with realism and says: "are homosexuals capable of agape between each other", we have no choice but to twist their argument and be a little nominalistic as well. It's c9mplicated. We romanticized heterosexual relationships, even if we consider that there was an original couple, they probably had a common ancestor with other species which was originated by sex. Wasn't there homosexuality and heterosexuality before that? Of course, that doesn't favor transgenderism or any other 92839505 genders they bring about. I just can't find a way out, socially, sacramentally (in Catholic terms), and epistemologically. I can see that treating homosexuality as identity is dirty play, but they're just up to see elderly homosexual pairs, and I don't see how the church will be strong enough to stop that. Also, shouldn't be thinking about that. If I turn out to be a pastor, I'm afraid I ultimately fail.
@NerdCunny420
@NerdCunny420 Жыл бұрын
Can somebody explain why I'm getting an ad about being lesbiab while I'm watching the video?
@James_Wisniewski
@James_Wisniewski 6 ай бұрын
The thing about subjectivism and nominalism is that, if you truly believe that things are only true because people believe them, then any line you draw between truth and falsehood or right and wrong is ultimately arbitrary. In order to allow for homosexuality, you have to break down the intuitive and obvious objective reality of gender, which necessarily makes room for things like gender fluidity as well. And if you make it so that nothing is true and everything is permitted in your belief system, you can't then place restrictions on that without contradicting yourself. Saying, "only as long as they're both consenting adult living humans" is, regardless of anything else, a statement of an objective standard that exists outside the individuals involved and, therefore, a contradiction. So, in order to be consistent, you have to keeo pushing the envelope until things like bestiality, pedophilia, and necrophilia are also permitted. I don't think (or at least I hope this won't happen) that the mainstream of society will go that far. But, this is the logical endpoint of using nominal philosophy to make room for homosexuality.
@justincapable
@justincapable 7 ай бұрын
If you are a theist watching this video, unless you plan to use the pretzel style apologetics like WLC, do not try to incorporate philosophy with theology. The consensus of academic scholars in philosophy reject divine command theory. It won't work when talking to anyone with a small understanding of philosophy. If you are against the LGBTQ community because your renegotiation of the text tells you to do so, just embrace your bigotry and accept it. You won't be able to find support of your ideology in philosophy, psychology, sociology or medicine.
@FrutoseDeMorango
@FrutoseDeMorango 5 ай бұрын
They don't. It depends on the scholar and morality isn't something objective, so using divine beliefs is completely fine when those beliefs don't harm others in my opinion.
@charles21137
@charles21137 4 ай бұрын
Theology is a branch of philosophy, just like how science is a branch of philosophy(if you didn’t know science is a branch of philosophy, then you’re to uneducated for me to save), have you even watched the video? He used regular philosophy to explain sexuality, if you aren’t going to use philosophy to explain your view then you can’t say philosophy supports your view.
@gtothereal
@gtothereal 3 ай бұрын
What a ridiculous small minded claim.
@gtothereal
@gtothereal 3 ай бұрын
Also “the consensus is academic philosophy” hahahahaha arguing from consensus in science is dumb enough but philosophy?
@jweezus.
@jweezus. 9 ай бұрын
if one looks to other animals in nature, we can see that many animals actually practice homosexuality in some form. for example, many walrus only practice heterosexuality during mating season, and are gay year round. There are many other examples as well, but that is just a really good example showing that even nature shows that homosexuality is natural.
@tiger5869
@tiger5869 9 ай бұрын
Animals also r*pe other animals, which makes that natural, but doesn't necessarily make it okay
@horus_137
@horus_137 9 ай бұрын
@@tiger5869 So you admit that homosexuality is natural, and the thing is that to your faith it isn't okay
@tiger5869
@tiger5869 9 ай бұрын
@@horus_137 yeah is this like some sort of gotcha moment? It isn't like I was pretending otherwise. The alternative is that everyone who is gay makes a conscious choice to be gay, and it's hard enough to find a romantic partner when you're straight, so that wouldn't make much sense.
@horus_137
@horus_137 9 ай бұрын
​@@tiger5869 Thank you, that's exactly the response i was looking for
@tiger5869
@tiger5869 9 ай бұрын
@@horus_137 you're welcome
@davidferret
@davidferret 10 ай бұрын
“We all know” except we don’t. There’s ancient cultures where trans people were completely normal, even in Greece and Rome. And gender norms are made up. Men used to wear high heels and wigs in the 1700s until it became feminine. What’s considered masculine and feminine is defined by culture alone. In South Korea, men wear sunblock and often get plastic surgeries without it being frowned upon. There’s nothing that inherently makes pink a color for girls and blue for guys. God did not say that in the Bible, and it’s absurd to think otherwise
@jeremiahmeade710
@jeremiahmeade710 9 ай бұрын
Except we do. Men are naturally physically stronger than women. Men also have denser bones. Women are naturally better at growing babies than men. Women are naturally more agreeable. Masculinity and Femininity are not social constructs, obviously.
@heretichazel
@heretichazel 8 ай бұрын
It's wild how far people will extrapolate from the bible to fit what they want to believe
@JimothyStickers
@JimothyStickers 4 ай бұрын
"Gender doesn't exist because men used to wear shoes to look taller"
@gtothereal
@gtothereal 3 ай бұрын
No there isn’t. That’s Reddit historical revisionism.
@nicholashaas5574
@nicholashaas5574 Ай бұрын
"If someone asked why homosexual marriage was wrong without using religion you probably wouldn't be able to" Are you really sure about that?
@joshc2501
@joshc2501 Жыл бұрын
I tend to collapse what you would consider Gender and Sex into just biological sex (biology and essence) while seeing Gender as language. (because in languages like French non-biological objects are given pronouns n stuff) I mostly use these terms this way as to still be respectful to friends and use their preferred pronouns with no issues of conscience.
@oterceslanaclevvo9855
@oterceslanaclevvo9855 Жыл бұрын
Yeah as a trans person, I think this is a fine way to view it. It irks me when conservatives frame the situation as if trans people are delusional or don't know their own biology when that's just not the case. I know what my biology is and how my biology functions, there's just a difference in the way I present myself and the language I use. Past that, the conflict that remains is the pragmatic one of whether society should restrict people on the basis of biological sex, which I of course have strong opinions on, those just aren't rooted in philosophy.
@CIA871
@CIA871 Жыл бұрын
@@oterceslanaclevvo9855 The discrepancy you feel is caused by sin.
@Testimony_Of_JTF
@Testimony_Of_JTF Жыл бұрын
@@oterceslanaclevvo9855 But trans people to claim to be "real woman" or "real man" tho, I've seen them doing it.
@innitbruv-lascocomics9910
@innitbruv-lascocomics9910 Жыл бұрын
​@@CIA871 And pedophilic priest claim to be good people. Surely that shouldn't be the junction of every single person within that demographic right?
@anonymouswitness3835
@anonymouswitness3835 Жыл бұрын
Yeah that's basically what I think. I used to phrase that by saying "gender isn't real; only sex is," but I think it's clearer to say biology and essence are inextricable.
@samuelswank9653
@samuelswank9653 8 ай бұрын
I recommend Making Gay Okay from Ignatius Press. The author writes from a Catholic perspective but [largely] dispenses with theological arguments in favor of a case against homosexual lifestyles using Aristotelian philosophy and statistical data.
@nickfoster848
@nickfoster848 4 ай бұрын
All truth is God’s truth
@universome511
@universome511 Жыл бұрын
What does ethnically Hebrew mean? Genuinely interested.
@truedemoknight6784
@truedemoknight6784 Жыл бұрын
I think he meant Jewish
@universome511
@universome511 Жыл бұрын
@@truedemoknight6784 Yeah I think that's it too. He said he's half or maybe fully Jewish in another video I watched later. I was pretty sure ethnically Hebrew meant ethnically Jewish but I've never heard the term before so maybe he meant Palestinian. My guess was he was trying to differentiate Judaism from Jewry. Anyway thanks for the input.
@FVStageII-hg3dp
@FVStageII-hg3dp 8 ай бұрын
It means he's responsible for the death of Christ
@universome511
@universome511 8 ай бұрын
@@FVStageII-hg3dp wow even if he changes teams
@henryconner780
@henryconner780 9 ай бұрын
I know plenty of hardcore religious people - Christian or Jewish or what have you- that are fine with same sex marriage in terms of law. Mostly because they don’t see why government should be apart of it, which I agree with. Their personal thoughts differ however of course
@superiorbeing8805
@superiorbeing8805 Жыл бұрын
11:30 Appeal to emotion according to wikipedia Appeal to emotion or argumentum ad passiones (meaning the same in Latin) is an informal fallacy characterized by the manipulation of the recipient's emotions in order to win an argument, especially in the absence of factual evidence.[1] This kind of appeal to emotion is irrelevant to or distracting from the facts of the argument (a so-called "red herring") and encompasses several logical fallacies, including appeal to consequences, appeal to fear, appeal to flattery, appeal to pity, appeal to ridicule, appeal to spite, and wishful thinking. Appeal to emotion is an application of social psychology. It is only fallacious when the emotions that are elicited are irrelevant to evaluating the truth of the conclusion and serve to distract from rational consideration of relevant premises or information. For instance, if a student says "If I get a failing grade for this paper I will lose my scholarship. It's not plagiarized." the emotions elicited by the first statement are not relevant to establishing whether the paper was plagiarized. Also, the statement "Look at the suffering children. We must do more for refugees." is fallacious, because the suffering of the children and our emotional perception of the badness of suffering is not relevant to the conclusion (to be sure, the proper role, if any, for emotion in moral reasoning is a contested issue in ethics). Appeals to emotion are intended to cause the recipient of the information to experience feelings such as fear, pity, or joy, with the end goal of convincing the person that the statements being presented by the fallacious argument are true or false, respectively.
@UltraLegoEnthusiast
@UltraLegoEnthusiast Жыл бұрын
why do you think this is an appeal to emotion? Isn't this just him stating his opinion before giving his arguments for it?
@superiorbeing8805
@superiorbeing8805 Жыл бұрын
@@UltraLegoEnthusiast his entire argument for it is”you know it in your heart it’s bad, which means it’s bad”
@igorlopes7589
@igorlopes7589 5 ай бұрын
How is everything he said reduced to appeal to emotion? Didnt he mention philosophical ideas? Didnt he mention essentialism?
@CooperTheGoosebumpsGuy
@CooperTheGoosebumpsGuy 6 ай бұрын
Amen❤🎉😊😊🎉❤😊
@jimluebke3869
@jimluebke3869 Жыл бұрын
"Presuppositionalism - just quote the Bible at them until they believe you" Eh, you could justify the idea that you share the Word with them, and the rest is between them and God.
@anamewithnoface1330
@anamewithnoface1330 Жыл бұрын
in answer to your beginning question, my typical answer is defiance of biological imperative. especially to those who believe entirely in the concept of evolution via natural selection, and those who tend towards a post modern/nihilistic view of reality, prescribing to a sort of 'the only meaning is what we derive' type of ideation. While no argument is truly "effective" when dealing with the spiritually unenlightened, this idiosyncrasy has at least offered some kind of renegotiation of their own view in relation to others. As a man who loves his neighbor enough to rebuke them, This is seemingly at least a place to begin.
@Jim005
@Jim005 Жыл бұрын
I thoroughly agree
@atruv2089
@atruv2089 Жыл бұрын
I think you're confusing Nihilism with Existentialism & Absurdism with the quote " 'the only meaning is what we derive' ".
@anamewithnoface1330
@anamewithnoface1330 Жыл бұрын
@@atruv2089 Nietzsches nihilism was founded in traditionalism, a meaning which we ourselves derive. I argue that the axioms of one support the other but yes. I suppose to say absurdism would be more apt.
@jacksonhall2334
@jacksonhall2334 Жыл бұрын
I am interested in that you think apologetics are essentially capable of conversion. In my mind it can help, but for someone who is lost to legitimately come to Christ, the Holy Spirit has to be involved.
@gtothereal
@gtothereal 3 ай бұрын
It’s like the commentators didn’t watch the video. He wasnt making the philosophical argument against lgbt. He was make the case that Christian’s should use philosophical arguments.
@_______9427
@_______9427 Жыл бұрын
Man, (i wish this youtuber was my classmate)
@mattatack2the25
@mattatack2the25 8 ай бұрын
Very solid video! You do great work. My critique here is more of a "have you noticed" instead of "you suck". I think this video really suffers (particularly in the beginning) from a Western Exceptionalism view. You make a comment about God providentially making the Greeks the "most intelligent and philosophical ancient culture." One that's somewhat hard to define, two that view completely spits in the face of all other ancient philosophers which there are quite a few that are held in high regard all over the world and throughout time. Of course America is strongly influenced by Classical Greece and Rome so we have heritage with that brand of philosophy, but just because Church Father's and other philosophers borrow from that does not mean it was the best or most intelligent. It means that was their culture and their particular background. I thinking solely looking at philosophy from a Greek perspective could severely limit one's understanding of philosophy and of others. This bleeds into the second kind of moment where I "cringed." Your acquaintance that was emphasizing Hebrew thought and warned against over emphasizing the use of Greek thought. I think you were a little too dismiss of his position. Even Tertullian posed, “Indeed, what has Athens got to do with Jerusalem?” He asked this specifically about this warning to not become so infatuated with the waxing of Greek philosophy to miss the original audience, the Israelites. The reason we need to check against Greek exceptionalism and take time to grasp Hebrew roots, history, and philosophy is to better understand the context of the original audience of Scripture. Even the early church was dominated not by Greeks but by Hebrews. So yes Hebrew AND Greek are important. They both were around in that time and influential cultures. But one would put himself in grave danger to shun the Hebrew roots and audience. The Israelites were saturated with Hebrew culture for far longer and to a much greater extent than Greek. Therefore, I find your somewhat dismissive response to your friend as a disservice to the fundamental culture the Bible is seeped in, which can lead to a disservice of the original meaning and messages of the Scripture. I am saying all this because I think you are a smart guy and you're doing great work. I hope this helps you think deeper and produce even better content! Keep on brother; God bless.
@thewarmachine3732
@thewarmachine3732 26 күн бұрын
Christianity "borrowed" from Greek philosophers. At least in the context of Aristotle, followers of Thomas Aquinas literally ripped Aristotle's version of the "soul" and redefined it to suit Christian teachings. The word "soul" did not mean a spiritual entity according to Aristotle, it refers to a person's "psyche".
@conker690
@conker690 7 ай бұрын
I am of the opinion that this recent change in marriage is due to material changes in needs for the distribution of resources. In traditional cultures, dowries were exchanged to secure family ties and continue the distribution of property and heritage. The reason why that this has changed is due to the breaking down of family ties where it’s less important to secure property and heritage and more important to secure a dual partnership where both parties create resources for themselves and their children. Simply put: single income households aren’t cutting it in today’s market. This is why nuclear families, where the couples are disconnected from intimate clans, were so popular since the 1950’s. But when the economic pressure rose, and there was no clan assistance, these arrangements became unsustainable and forced women to work alongside the men to make ends meet. It only makes sense that gay people who can no longer make it on their own, or want to raise kids, want to validate their relationship before the state. Gay marriage isn’t just ritual, it has secular advnatages such as ensuring your property passes to your partner when you die etc. Now you could argue that it should only be tied to religion, but in our post-Protestant world, one’s religion can be interpreted in a variety of ways that aren’t strictly tied to what people call “traditional” practices. And I know that sounds controversial, but ask 10 prots what they think of baptism and you’ll get 10 different opinions. This is despite Baptism being a million times more important in the Bible. Martin Luther himself only acknowledged Baptism and the Eucharist as necessary sacraments. It’s difficult to reconcile this fact with the evangelical insistence that marriage is fundamental to Protestantism in America. It is very clear when they are saying so for political reasons, not religious ones. So with that in mind, why restrict people from practicing their interpretation of religion? Clearly gay people still think it’s important to engage in monogamist rituals in front of God along with all their friends and family. They clearly think traditional cultural and spiritual practices and want to recreate them for the next generation, who will mostly be made of heterosexuals anyway. Why prevent them if you do think these rituals are important and need to be passed on? “Well because it’s not traditional” is just not good enough lol
@HistoryNerd808
@HistoryNerd808 8 ай бұрын
Found your channel recently and just want to say I love what you've been doing. I'm in a non-Dem(what I grew up as) and Baptist tradition but we need stronger and more faithful Mainline churches. We're all brothers and sisters in Christ so churches being lead astray without those there fighting for it is a tragedy. As for the LGBT stuff, I'm fairly libertarian on it in a political sense but I struggle a lot with the issue from a moral perspective. Maybe this is because I'm more evangelical, even as I'm relatively high-church, believing in the importance of (adult) baptism for remission and of communion, but I think, and this is really the only hot-button social issue that I'm not very traditional on, they do make good points when it's actually a scriptural argument, rather than the "who cares, get with the times" argument. I can't confirm who's right because I don't speak or read Koine Greek but most of the arguments for its acceptance, at least on the evangelical side, are very much a textual case, mostly challenging how Greek words had been translated things since, aiui, the Greek words don't translate exactly. Don't know 100% where I stand on it, as I mentioned, because it's hard to have strong feelings about a translation dispute, regarding a language I don't speak. However, I don't think that disagreeing on this is heretical or worth expelling people over, as long as the dispute is rooted in disagreements over scripture.
@brandonmathieu1892
@brandonmathieu1892 8 ай бұрын
Simone de Beauvoire's book "the second sex" does a deep dive into objective and essentialist philosophy of gender. On another note, Plato's "Parmenides" does a deep dive into metaphysics of the forms and essences themselves which looks at the limitations of forms.
@user-ji1hb7wy8d
@user-ji1hb7wy8d 6 ай бұрын
Oh, the same Simone de Beauvoire that encouraged and had sexual relations with minors? While I do want to better understand an objective and essentialist philosophy of gender, I'm not sure it's great to take the point of view of a p3dophil3
@SigmaPB777
@SigmaPB777 10 ай бұрын
Could said why is it so "difficult," but that's just me.
@asyoshmoto1982
@asyoshmoto1982 6 ай бұрын
How about 1 Corinthians 1:18?
@christophekeating21
@christophekeating21 Жыл бұрын
There are two genders in latin languages like French. English has three genders. It has a natural gender system were sex corresponds with gender (he and she) except for objects which are sexless and therefore neuter, represented by the neuter pronoun, it.
@memeboi6017
@memeboi6017 Жыл бұрын
That’s actually incorrect, when Latin languages use gender it’s in the grammatical context, so by that criteria English actailly has one/none
@christophekeating21
@christophekeating21 Жыл бұрын
@@memeboi6017 English has three gendered pronouns (he, she, it) and this is originally about grammar, but you are correct that nouns don't agree with adjectives in gender, but of course they don't in number, either, that doesn't mean there's no singular/plural distinction. You are right however that gender is about grammar, or at least, it was, until some twisted "experts" like John Money got involved.
@Joe-cc9it
@Joe-cc9it Жыл бұрын
@@christophekeating21 then Latin also has 3 genders? declension tables of the 3rd person would say as much. also the idea that gender is a brand new concept is dubious at best. Gender as we currently talk about it in the west may well be new for the west, but there are an abundance of cases of non-western cultures having a gender system that is fundamentally non-binary. I can think of at least a few cases of systems that appear to include a unique category for 'feminine males'. Whilst we should be careful not to strip these examples of the culture that surrounds them, and hammer them into a modern western category, the unavoidable fact is, the concept of having more that two distinct genders is not new in the slightest. Things like Gender Dysphoria, and non-binary systems of gender have always existed and to say otherwise is naive and in denial of fact. There are cases littered throughout human history of people living as other genders, and the oldest case of anything of the sort I'm aware of is the Roman Emperor Elagabalus who purportedly put out offer of extraordinary pay for any physician who could give them a vagina. Grammatical gender and gender identity are largely detached concepts and even if they were attached most Indo-European languages have 3 genders. Tamil has six, and the highest I think I read about was 17 unique grammatical genders. This notion that non-binary gender is new, and this notion that grammatical gender necessarily has strong or even passing relation to gender identity is a very western centric idea that neglects millenia of cultural and linguistic developments across the world.
@christophekeating21
@christophekeating21 Жыл бұрын
@@Joe-cc9it of course latin has three genders. Any textbook will tell you that. And yes, the use of the word gender apart from grammar is a modern thing. Non western cultures weren't speaking English, so it's beside the point. The word sex is the one that used to be used in English. I never said anything about gender binary. Gender is grammar and whatever you think you mean by "gender identity" is only more confusing by the fact that you insist on using a grammatical word, which in most language systems, has about as much relationship to "gender identity" as case endings do. What is new is using the English word gender for anything other than grammar.
@Joe-cc9it
@Joe-cc9it Жыл бұрын
​@@christophekeating21 My bad I misread your mention of 'latin languages' The point is that these concepts are not new, the application of the language is newer sure but thats true of many now widely understood terms. At some point many meanings were 'new' and that is not, in and of itself, a strong reason to discredit the shift. Your comment felt like a cop-out that failed to engage with the subject, and it feels like it laments a natural process that constructed huge swathes of our language as we know it. Meanings shift, and a word often used in terms of 'masculine, feminine, neuter' being used to describe a concept often broken up into 'masculine, feminine, neuter' is neither shocking, or a desperately far leap. You may well be correct about grammatical gender, but your comment felt like an attempt to dismiss a widely understood definition of the term that has been used in academia for 70 years as a vague attack on the concept it describes without actually making that attack.
@notoriousriot250
@notoriousriot250 8 ай бұрын
I do wonder as Im now going into a journey of not just becoming more knowledgeable of God and Jesus but also becoming more of a good christian as a result by following the laws they put forth, for the most part in the bible I’ve either seen old testament strongly against same-sex relations but only condemn hetero-sex relationships due to them cheating on a spouse, same as pedophilia being a bad in the commandments. When I started I always viewed that when homosexuality is condemned by paul, or at least used as a title to tell what the things he was telling people they were doing wrong, was because these people would commit adultery or it would lead them to hurting children because of lack of self control. In modern culture, like you said, being homosexual doesn’t necessarily. I assume it would be considered immoral because it could lead to the homosexual person to degeneracy or worse to lose faith in Christ and God. My question is then, if all of us have sinned and will continue to sin and we are only saved by admitting to all of humanity that Christ did die for our sins and that he is God along with the father and the holy spirit, could a homosexual be in the same boat as us all as long as he/she also admits and has faith in our savior? At the very least that if this is sinful and evil so it wouldn’t make it into heaven, would this homosexual who was born this way and has no feelings for women, and has had sexual relations with the same sex, as long as this person still worships God has faith in him. Would this sin be destroyed once this person passes into heaven? Just like all our temptations and needs?
@danielcurtis1288
@danielcurtis1288 7 ай бұрын
Yes heaven is a sinless place. Homosexual urges and past behaviour isn't what keep you from being saved. It continually engaging in the behaviour and not being repentant of your sins. If you are living in sin and aren't repentant than you are not saved because you are denying God.
@georgegreen711
@georgegreen711 Жыл бұрын
Darwinian evolution is far more nominalistic than realistic.
@sethelrod9099
@sethelrod9099 2 ай бұрын
7:50 I always turn the tables on them, and ask so are you saying that trans rights are more important than women’s rights? Because that’s what you’re doing right …..
@Dayglodaydreams
@Dayglodaydreams 3 ай бұрын
Even a "social constructivist" (really more of a "social performativitist") like Judith Butler will concede that there are transgender people that disagree with her, and feel that their transgender being (their existence and being and becoming, their subjectivity) is related to a sort of spiritual essence.
@erdgerd9584
@erdgerd9584 4 ай бұрын
The fps are not the best 😅
@Dayglodaydreams
@Dayglodaydreams 3 ай бұрын
Okay, if you think a nominalist (someone who thinks there are no abstract ideas, just abstract terms) and relativist and constructivist like Nelson Goodman (who is from the English Speaking world...not a French Speaking Post-Structuralist, Post-Modernist or Deconstructionist so not a Historian of Psychology or Criminology like Foucault or a "Grammatologist" like Derrida or any kind of literary theorist) is a post-modernist, you are mistaken. He is a science, math, and logic oriented person who just happens to like the arts as well (and "the structures of appearance")...also...scientifically it's hard to say how many genders...but it's probably 4-6. Even the American Psychological Association will say that.
@terrorists-are-among-us
@terrorists-are-among-us 11 ай бұрын
Live and let live. Sure. In exile, not infecting others. "1 Kings 22:46 The remnant of the sodomites who remained in the days of his father Asa, he expelled from the land."
@AP-ym1lo
@AP-ym1lo 9 ай бұрын
Another translation seems to be "He rid the land of the rest of the male shrine prostitutes who remained there even after the reign of his father Asa". This being the NLT translation with the textual sources being the following: The Old Testament translation was based on the Masoretic Text (Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia) and was further compared to other sources such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, Septuagint, Greek manuscripts, Samaritan Pentateuch, Syriac Peshitta, and Latin Vulgate. The New Testament translation was based on the two standard editions of the Greek New Testament (the UBS 4th revised edition and the Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece 27th edition).
@JustJoshua101
@JustJoshua101 Жыл бұрын
I really like your commentary but I don't think you have made a good secular case against homosexuality. It sounded quite tautological.
@maxxiong
@maxxiong 10 ай бұрын
I guess this answers my question of why China is more conservative on these controversial issues. Culturally, China is still rooted in more classical ideas of philosophy, so general revelation is playing its role. Also on the gender issue, spoken Chinese does not distinguish gendered pronouns, so even though trans has been a thing in China for a while, it doesn't matter for most people. Also I disagree with some of the things with this video (even though I am more conservative). I believe some of the LGBT issues can be expressions of the sin nature, and this should be at least claimed as a possibility. The reason for this is to counter to argument that some think being LGBT is genetic and part of who they are. Even if the research behind this is undebatable (I've heard of issues with it), research also shows that alcoholic tendencies are partially genetic, so the argument just doesn't work.
@jeremiahmeade710
@jeremiahmeade710 9 ай бұрын
Correlation doesn’t mean causation, so the argument stands. What is natural is natural and what is not natural is not natural, obviously. There is literally nothing that a same-sex couple can do better than a heterosexual couple, that they couldn’t also do if they weren’t married.
@user-dn1iw8eo3q
@user-dn1iw8eo3q 6 ай бұрын
I don't bother caring about sexuality, unless they are putting pride flags in churches which I'm against. I think homosexuality is probably a sin but it's one you only do to yourself, and many of them are atheists anyway so it doesn't really matter if they are gay or not, it would make more sense to put your effort into converting them into Christians than try to make them not gay, or spend time on fighting other sins that are far worse
@txgsu43
@txgsu43 8 ай бұрын
8:35 The Jewish God is the Christian God, but the Jewish people rejected Him in favor of a god that more aligns with their human tradition. I think that is what you mean, but it came out like a Marcionist. 😉
@dubwubwubstek244
@dubwubwubstek244 Ай бұрын
was fairly interested in the stuff you had to say until you started throwing the JBP lingo out and then I could just foresee the whole dialogue tree you were gonna go on in advance man I came here to hear about trancendental complimentarianism not yet another completely strawmanned explanation of gender theory
@ananon5771
@ananon5771 Жыл бұрын
it's hard to argue cause the arguments are not very good. you more-so go over how it should be argued and not arguements themselves, but the few you use are really not ideal. -Like you mention appealing to nature, but many animals can be homosexual -The argument against trans people is saying "god is not a liar" which doesn't really work well, and trasitioning is the only effective treatment i know of for treating it. -Or you menation china, while the democratic county version, taiwan has some of the best LGBT laws in their hemisphere, with japan being accepting on the ground, the issue is old people are who elects the politicians cause they didn't have kids. Not to say these issues are totally solved and you should roll over to whatever the left wants, but these arguements are just bad IMO.
@91722854
@91722854 10 ай бұрын
are you INTJ? or perhaps INTP?
@fabulouschild2005
@fabulouschild2005 6 ай бұрын
Homosexuality exists quite commonly in nature, just look it up. It is natural
@WarriorcatGerda
@WarriorcatGerda 9 күн бұрын
Rape is common in the animal world Cannabilism is common We aren't held to the same standard
@fabulouschild2005
@fabulouschild2005 9 күн бұрын
@@WarriorcatGerda yes, that is an unfortunate fact. I'm sure that same sex relations is nowhere near as bad as forced sex or cannibalism
@LifesanL4976
@LifesanL4976 10 ай бұрын
The term you're looking for is classical liberalism
@john_irving_ish
@john_irving_ish 14 күн бұрын
Zoomer seems to be a person that depends too much on his own knowledge and intellect instead of the power of God. There's nothing that you can do to woo somebody to God. Only God can do that. I'm not saying not to use reason in some capacity, but when you keep trying to find more secular means to convince somebody, you're doing a disservice to the individual. No matter what you say, they're always going to find a way around it because they're not oriented to follow God unless God does it work in them first.
@bigboibenny1609
@bigboibenny1609 7 ай бұрын
Greek and hebrew philosophy are both important but hebrew philosophy supercedes greek in many ways because the bible was written by hebrews to hebrews.
@charles21137
@charles21137 4 ай бұрын
The New Testament was written in Greek, and they used Greek philosophy to explain the trinity. The Hebrew prophets tried to explain the trinity, but they didn’t have the philosophy in order to explain it. Most Hebrew philosophies, like Kabbalah, aren’t even tied to the Bible
@noway8259
@noway8259 Жыл бұрын
There can be inconsistencies between gender and sex because even if all else you say is true we as humans could never know the full mind of god beyond a certain point. A point which contains us being able to imagine an inconsistency, which hence our minds being within gods mus exist in His own mind as well at least in some form.
@rasati
@rasati 4 ай бұрын
animal homosexuality is also very common
@charles21137
@charles21137 4 ай бұрын
A lot of animals also like to eat their children
@kasikule
@kasikule 3 ай бұрын
@@charles21137yeah but the guy in the video was saying that gay marriage goes against the "nature of reality"
@charles21137
@charles21137 3 ай бұрын
@@kasikule it does go against the nature of reality for humans. Humans have morality and shouldn’t be acting like animals.
@kasikule
@kasikule 2 ай бұрын
@@charles21137 no it doesnt lmao
@charles21137
@charles21137 2 ай бұрын
@@kasikule pandas throw out one of their children if they have twins, that means it’s moral if a human wants to do it🤡 yeah, the “animals do it so it’s ok” excuse has no merit.
@Horesmi
@Horesmi 9 ай бұрын
Pulling out Platonic realism to this debate is like bringing a chair to a knife fight Something something the essence of a chair
@MoonMoverGaming
@MoonMoverGaming 3 ай бұрын
I know this isn't what the video is about, but I feel the need to call it out. In other videos, you bend the definition of religion so you can call leftism a religion. Then in this video, you waffle about whether Buddhism (a tradition which includes belief in the after life and is practiced by priests in temples) is a religion. So your definition of "religion" is highly strict in this video but broad in other ones.
@northdakotagamer
@northdakotagamer Жыл бұрын
How is it calling God a liar to say he made someone’s essence and biology different?
@harrygarris6921
@harrygarris6921 Жыл бұрын
We’re not talking about essence though. Your essence is what makes you human. From a Christian perspective, your essence is being the image and likeness of God. From a secular perspective I suppose it would just be the structure of the human genome. But the way that you express your gender is dictated in large part by cultural norms and these change over time. To be transgender has a different meaning and expression than it did 100 years ago, and it’s going to mean something different again 100 years in the future. It’s not your essence because it’s not what makes you human. If you grew up isolated with no other human contact in a cave, you wouldn’t have a concept of gender or sexuality. But you would still be a human.
@jeremiahmeade710
@jeremiahmeade710 9 ай бұрын
Because if someone’s essence was different than their biology, then they would naturally die because they didn’t naturally know how to use their natural biology. It is like if a woman thinks she is a man, then goes and does the work that only men can do. She wouldn’t last long before some injury took her out of the game, took her out because she was not naturally suited for the task. It is calling God a liar because his desire is “that you should have life and have it more abundantly”. If God turned around and made people’s essence naturally differ from their biology, then he would be expressing a desire for us to not have life and to have it less abundantly. In fact he would not have made anyone in the first place if he didn’t want us to be alive. It is clear that one’s essence being perfectly aligned with their biology is the best possible circumstance for life to prevail.
@noway8259
@noway8259 Жыл бұрын
The bible does not just set up marrigee between a man and a woman, sure between male and females but the one husband one wife thing doesn't seem biblical given just how many biblical leaders have multiple wives or am I missing something here?
@MacCoalieCoalson
@MacCoalieCoalson Жыл бұрын
Name three Biblical leaders with more than one wife. Actually, name even one....
@oterceslanaclevvo9855
@oterceslanaclevvo9855 Жыл бұрын
@@MacCoalieCoalson Jacob, David, and Solomon all had multiple wives
@MacCoalieCoalson
@MacCoalieCoalson Жыл бұрын
​@@oterceslanaclevvo9855 I suppose you could make that case, but you could also argue that just because it was permissible for the Jews doesn't mean that it's permissible for Christians.
@oterceslanaclevvo9855
@oterceslanaclevvo9855 Жыл бұрын
@@MacCoalieCoalson yeah that's true
@noway8259
@noway8259 Жыл бұрын
@@MacCoalieCoalson The standard is naming one? How about King David and his three wives then?
@guadalupefreyre5900
@guadalupefreyre5900 11 ай бұрын
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