Kingroon KP3S vs Ender 2 Pro - $179 3D Printers
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2 жыл бұрынChuck takes a look at the $179 Kingroon KP3S and then compares it to the Ender 2 Pro. These are both great low-cost starter printers but what are the differences and how do they compare?
How well do they print?
What features do they have?
Find all this out on this episode of Filament Friday.
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@thecyberhobbit 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly don't care about printers of this size but still watched the video because you make great videos. Always very informative and without beating around the bush, I've learned more about 3d printing from your channel than any other. Keep it up Chuck!
@TeachingTech 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the shout out, Chuck. In my video a lot of people commented they wanted linear rails for lower maintenance down the track. Nice comparison video. I quite like these range of smaller printers. My Prusa Mini gets a lot more use than I expected.
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
Your video was a great reference. Happy to share it with my audience.
@t1mblumer 2 жыл бұрын
I love my KP3S, it has printed wonderfully straight out of the box.
@howardhamaker2708 2 жыл бұрын
You cannot use the same g-code. Ender 3 is bowden. KP3s is direct drive. The retraction is causing the lines on the KP3s. Not a fair/logical test. Linear rails are for speed and reliability. No v-roller wheel issues. No need to fiddle with belt tension since the v-rollers aren't there to degrade/wear out. Latest firmware does have have z-offset.
@jeffs3dcorner 2 жыл бұрын
Did a review on this a while ago and some mods. The Kp3s is a good little printer. Got it for 179 CND at the time.
@fufermanxyz 2 жыл бұрын
nice basic review. I've got 3 kingroons and 1 ender3. for me the ender takes a lot more maintenance. from the famous extruder cracking issue to constantly being out of level. not to mention all the bowden problems that pop up half way through a 2 day print. the kingroons are bullet proof work horses. I don't even check bed level for weeks at a time. always ready to rock and roll.
@ferrumignis 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, I'm actually tempted by the Kingroon for the larger bed area and direct drive. Is there any open source firmware support like Marlin? I could see the file display issue getting old pretty quick.
@fufermanxyz 2 жыл бұрын
@@ferrumignis yes people have installed Marlin and klipper on these successfully. There is a decent community on Facebook and many printable upgrades online. Including a base for attaching the power supply under the printer that doesn't require buying any screws or parts at all.
@ferrumignis 2 жыл бұрын
@@fufermanxyz Thanks for the info, just ordered one to replace my aging Monoprice Select mini.
@Joshuadomiel 2 жыл бұрын
I had to replace the wheels on my enders due to having flat spots overtime. Linear rails are just better quality parts, not necessarily for better quality prints. I get better cooling on the K3PS due to the better fan. Better DD extruder. A few printed mods and the power supply & spool holder is attached to the frame if you prefer that. Update the firmware and you get all things you need from marlin, plus a better display orientation too. Add a pi and klipper and that thing flies at high speeds, thanks to the linear rails. The KP3S is superior in every way to the Ender 2, but you'll have to put a bit more work into it.
@760creations 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking a look Chuck! I love my KP3S, but I've done a ton of modifications and put Klipper on it. I definitely see your points about the Ender 2 Pro being a lot more user friendly and easier to handle. Regarding the firmware on the KP3S, I think it's an older version of Marlin, hence it not recognizing certain commands. There's community made versions of the latest Marlin for it, but it requires having to take the screen out and rotate it, housing it in a new part. Overall I think the Ender 2 Pro is a lot better for printing straight away. The KP3S is better for a tinkerer who already has some experience printing.
@Drew_pew_pew_pew 2 жыл бұрын
Those are all valid arguments made in the video and having a KP3S and an Ender 3 pro I still prefer the KP3S. A beginner printer rarely stays a beginner printer. And while the initial setup and experience will be better with the Ender 2 pro, maintenance and changing needs (like printing tpu) will appear at one time in somebody's printing journey. My goal with the KP3S is to print pla and tpu - and it does this great out of the box - be remotely controllable and reliable. I bought the pei flex sheet, a 3d touch and a raspberry pi 2 W zero (when they were still available). I installed Klipper on the pi. The advantage of Klipper is while the steppers are in standalone mode, I can still use features like pressure advance with the original board. I found this to be the most cost-effective upgrades I could do and give me the most in return: good bed adhesion, no leveling worries, remotely controllable/upgradeable, easy to use extruder and a fast printer. When I look back at my Ender 3 pro: other bed springs, capricorn tube, rapsberry pi, new extruder because arm broke, all metal hotend because of stupid bowden that goes up to the nozzle, periodic maintenance to see if the eccentric nuts are still OK and if the X-gantry is not at an angle. I get the same quality prints with more hassle on the Ender. One thing I want to mention is while being a Chinese company with its obvious flaws in their designs, they are very approachable and active on social media. The answers are in google translated Engrish but at least you get an answer and most of the time in a timespan of 2 days.
@FNGecko 2 жыл бұрын
Hands down the Kingroon is a better printer for the price, I was able to print at 150mms right out of the box with Octoprint on my PC.
@MCsCreations 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic review and comparison, Chuck! Thanks a bunch! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@willcarlton3906 2 жыл бұрын
The KP3S is honestly a great printer. I got mine for $130 on eBay. At that price I’d get another!
@PaoloTrianni 2 жыл бұрын
I found the Kingroon KP3S is on another level. You can read the full name of your prints unlike the Ender 2. Direct drive. Easier to setup. Linear rails make for less wear unlike the wheels on the Ender 2. A smaller profile is great for the room. Things I do like about the Ender 2 is the spool holder is better in my opinion, minus it taking more room. The adjustment for the belts. I personally hate tool trays that go inside the machine. I like a nice easy grab solution personally and I really don't need a handle to pick up my printers. TPU on the KP3S is a massive advantage for me. Though you could go with whatever is the cheapest at the time, if TPU isn't a major important filament you want to be able to print out of the box. Edit: Larger part cooling fan on the KP3S is better. KP3S has a 2mm to 3mm PTFE liner in the heartbreak that is a pain to replace. The Ender 2 has a cheap PFTE tube that will need trimming over time. Still, the Ender 2 is easier to trim than replacing the liner on the KP3S. I'm still working on a replacement for the liner on the KP3S. The touch screen is nice on the KP3S and it looks better for me. I found personally KP3S prints like a professional machine. I dislike both the magnetic beds on these machines so I replaced them both right away with PEI spring sheets or glass.
@MrGerhardGrobler Жыл бұрын
HI, much much after these video's came out, I am now the happy owner of 2 Ender 2 Pro's. I needed to print parts that measure 22mm x 120mm. So they are perfect to mass produce these parts. My 1st 3D printer, on wich I protyped the 1st versions of these parts was a mere 100x100x120 real CoreXY homebuild by a friend. No screen, only worked with a PC connection. So thank you for your videos. I learn from them.
@technoe02 2 жыл бұрын
I love the printing community. Referencing videos and confirming each other's results is the essence of science.
@DanMigala 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure you've heard it a million times by now but rails really excel once you start cranking up the speeds and accelerations. Throw klipper on that kingroon and it RIPS! Its such a good little printer. Testing it with ender-2 gcode isn't fair to the kingroon.
@LeightonGill 2 жыл бұрын
Great review and comparison. Thanks!
@FilamentStories 2 жыл бұрын
As always, a thorough and fair evaluation of a printer, giving us the tools we need to either make our own printer purchase or for recommending printers to others!
@MovingToMnPro Жыл бұрын
I'd be really interested in noise level comparison between the two. Thanks for the great videos.
@wolffin100 Жыл бұрын
Hi Chuck, first off I always look forward to filament Fridays, that's why I'm back here watching this video again 😀. A few weeks ago I bought my king roon and yep I really like it, my question is ,,,, would there be a chance of you doing your absolutely amazing profiles from the enders to the kp3s or perhaps even doing a video on converting profiles to other machines. Thanks Chuck, looking forward to your next video.
@MakerMeraki 2 жыл бұрын
The only real advantage of linear rails over wheels is speed. I'm printing bone stock except for an upgrade to Klipper at 120mm/s with excellent qualityon my KP3S. The limiting factor is actually the hotend volumetric flow, not the motion system. I'm fixing that as we speak.
@KarlM777 2 жыл бұрын
What hot end are you going with?
@slowjamer Жыл бұрын
You should now take a look at the Kingroon KP3S Pro with the Y-Linear Guides option to have it on all 3 axis :)
@rmatveev Жыл бұрын
How you were able to run the same GCODEs on direct and bowden printers? They are definitely have different retraction length!
@life_of_dlance3748 2 жыл бұрын
I have a kp3s and i put a bltouch and th3d marlin 2.0 on it it works beautifully now
@eclypse3d Жыл бұрын
The bonus of a smaller unit like these or the Prusa mini is having an easy setup to take somewhere and print easy peasy. 80% of most print are usually not larger than these build volumes..
@SLICEDfinds Жыл бұрын
I've printed using the M25 command, not sure why it didn't work for you but I guarantee it works on all 3 of my printers.
@vandyFixer 2 жыл бұрын
I guess if the belt tension is a problem and you were desperate, you could slot the stepper mounting holes to adjust?
@KarlM777 2 жыл бұрын
I own four KP3S machines. Put Marlin on two of them that would actually take Marlin. The processor in the other two are different and not exactly sure how to compile Marlin for them at this time. I recently picked up the KP5S, KP5M and KP5L. Currently in the process of designing a belt tensioner for the KP5M along with a 10mm wide belt mod for the Y axis. My LK1 Longer really responded well to going with the wider belt and dual linear rails for the Y. I custom machined all my mounts and hardware.... Not sure where I was going with this. 😂😂 But I've had really good luck with the kp3s machines. I did swap out a couple of the Titans for BMG clone extruders. Even set one KP3 up with a boden set up for a while to see how much faster I could print. 140mm/ps is pushing it with a volcano hotend.
@3dpprofessor 2 жыл бұрын
3:48 I heard that linear rails last longer, and that the rubber wheels wear out faster. I don't know if this is true or how it could be tested, but that might be an argument in favor of linear rails if it's true. 5:43 Did that loose belt effect your prints? In my experience this printer printed great. The belt never slipped. And the guy who has been using it since hasn't complained. Maybe the belt isn't actually that loose.
@3dpprofessor 2 жыл бұрын
100% agree with your point about the external power supply and spool holder being frustrating.
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
Over time the belt can stretch so it can become an issue. Kingroon showed me a video where the motor gets shimmed. Kinda weak but works.
@Ja_Zer 2 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to say that if i never found your videos i wouldve probably given up 3d printing in frustration, thanks.
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help.
@JonS 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe the Kingroon uses a different M code for pause, like M600 (filament change pause) or M601 (pause print)? It's amazing they can make and sell these printers for this price. I'm right now tuning my new V-Minion, which has the same cantilever design, and the same 180mm x 180mm as the Kingroon, but costs 3.5x more (and you have to build it yourself). Of course it's a completely different grade of machine and can print much faster, but still it's incredible that anything is possible for $179.
@zk_6312 Жыл бұрын
The kingroon does have more than one version of the kp3s. The pro version has a built-in PS and I believe it has belt tensioner as well. What I don't like is the proprietary firmware. I would prefer Marlin or even klipper. Do you know if the Ender 2 pro can print abs out of the box? I saw a th3d video that seemed to indicate that it needed a PS and firmware mode for the bed to be able to heat hotter than 80 degrees C.
@AndrewHelgeCox Жыл бұрын
Why did you use identical gcode for testing of one is Bowden and the other is direct? Surely each should be sliced with at least the profile from the manufacturer, if not an optimised one from the community.
@johanakerblad339 Жыл бұрын
Many thanks for your review! Could you please give link to your bed leveler pcb. Did not know that these exist.
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@McCinnovations1 2 жыл бұрын
Make sure you get those other 2 screws on the back of the main beam on the kingroon nobody ever seems to put them in on any video I've seen yes that's what the extra screws that come with it are for lol!! adds a little more support !!
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly missed that. Thanks.
@zeeman2594 2 жыл бұрын
does anyone have profile for kingroon KP3S for either Cura, Simplify3d and/or Prusa slicer?
@justinchamberlin4195 2 жыл бұрын
There certainly are some interesting features and innovations that I'm sure Creality might slip into an Ender 2 V2 some day.
@boazandruth909 2 жыл бұрын
Question. This is for someone I’m helping he got a used Ender 3 and found the bracket that supports the wires that heat the broken and hills the level springs. They previous owner had 3d printed it. World u know the correct name of this and where he may be able to buy one instead of printing it.
@ZhakRyuu 5 ай бұрын
Naah, KP3S is just a better printer and it saddens me that you are misleading beginners into buying the Ender. Nobody stays a beginner for long and both printers print great out of the box. The difference is that one has a possibility to be upgraded to a way more advanced machine for little to no additional cash and will give those beginners the experience they need to learn and grow into this hobby. Also you can put that power supply under the desk if it bothers you so much, that actually makes this printer take less space. I would only recommend the Ender for someone that has 0 interest in this is a hobby and just wants to print stuff, although even then the KP3S will do just fine.
@ronm6585 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chep.
@Jon-vm3qw 2 жыл бұрын
Run klipper on the kp3s and print at 300mm
@dobe2050 2 жыл бұрын
wow
@lasersbee 2 жыл бұрын
2:00 I would elongate the motor holes to slots with a small round file. That would be something the manufacturer can easily do for no extra costs.
@greliusz Жыл бұрын
IMO KP3S is winner because it has easier klipper installation, files are ready for installation, its too fast and best extruder. I know that the organization is chaotic after removing the box, but if you pay more attention to the modification, the mounting elements of the power supply to the printer + rPi with klipper, it will be the best than Ender2pro. These are my views from the perspective of using Voron.
@engineer1692 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like you can tighten the belt by shimming the servo motor. Shims can be 3d printed.
@ferrumignis 2 жыл бұрын
Also could probably use one of the metal springs that clip over the belt as it looks like it only needs a very small amount of adjustment.
@alarson1981 2 жыл бұрын
Cogged timing belts aren't like flat or v belts - they need very little tension to work. They are like gears, they only loose position if they are loose enough to skip teeth.
@engineer1692 2 жыл бұрын
@@wojtek-33 yes, loose belts can cause ringing and other print artifacts.
@engineer1692 2 жыл бұрын
@@LostInTech3D maybe a good video idea for you to test? Loose vs tight belts?
@ferrumignis 2 жыл бұрын
It looks only very slightly loose, probably could use one of those little metal springs that clip over the belt to tension it. If not you'd have to shim the stepper out.
@saturnknts 2 жыл бұрын
The base firmware is marlin one smoothieware. Luckily with the f103 building marlin 2.x.x works and you can also wire linear advance. Unfortunately they've been issuing gd32 and f407 chips and they aren't as easy to play with. The motherboards are reversed robin nano v1.2's
@ferrumignis 2 жыл бұрын
Does the 2.x.x Marlin fix the file display issue?
@stuartfisher4210 2 жыл бұрын
I can see the attraction of the slightly larger build plate on the KP3S, but I really don't like the way all of the parts are separate. The Ender 2 Pro looks like an amazing, compact and even portable machine for the low price. If I were in the market for maybe a "spare" printer for little bits and pieces, or to print parts to repair a larger machine, the E2P would definitely be on my radar.
@ferrumignis 2 жыл бұрын
There's a neat printable mod for the KP3S to mount the PSU under the main units.
@jasonhowardak 2 жыл бұрын
problem with wheels is they get flat spots...i can tell I have flat spots on the wheel with 2 brand new enders
@marcbuzz4161 Жыл бұрын
Hi, Do you plan to test the new version of the KP3S which is KP3S Pro and compare it to KP3S and Ender 2 Pro ?
@FilamentFriday Жыл бұрын
No plans to do that. At the new price, I’d just recommend an Ender 3 Neo with autolevel and bigger build area.
@nigel5823 11 ай бұрын
i have just got the ender 2 pro mine as the metal case updated version
@coledixon6169 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Chep, do you happen to share your settings on cura that you use for your ender 3 pro? If so I would really like to know because I have been having some trouble trying to fix my prints, there has been massive amounts of warping on my prints and I have made sure my bed is level aswell as clean my bed with alcohol
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
Link in description
@coledixon6169 2 жыл бұрын
@@FilamentFriday thanks for responding so quickly chep, I will definitely attempt these settings tonight
@russdesigns Жыл бұрын
To tighten that Y belt, I think you would have to adjust the belt length by taking one of the end loops off the post and cut the zip ties. Doable but man, a simple tensioner would go a long way!
@ukewarrior 2 жыл бұрын
Again, nice review. Very fair and to the point. Thanks for that!
@justthenoob4589 6 ай бұрын
Hey, CHEP there are some newer versions of the KP3S. I have the KP3S Pro S1 and it is great. It has a built in power supply, it also fixes some features. All axis are linear and there are belt tensioners. Also the KP3S has a built in filament switcher so no need for plugins. It is more expensive but maybe you could do a review of it. Oh yea and I don't think you need to use a bed leveler since the build plate is small.
@ps3customgamer 2 жыл бұрын
Linear rails less maintenance more consistency
@brokenshoe1775 2 жыл бұрын
not with those cheapo ones
@grumpyoldman5642 2 жыл бұрын
where can i get replacement parts i need another magnetic mat, mine is separating, i had to take a spare and cut it down to fit
@clixium 2 жыл бұрын
AliExpress is goldmine for anything if you can wait 3 weeks to be delivered
@marcbuzz4161 Жыл бұрын
About the card that helps to level the printer, I bought the equivalent one from geeetech (GLA10) and it would be helpful to have 3 LEDs instead of 1 like a red/orange/green one so we can see how close we are to the perfect leveling and as an ultimate evolution if it can, one day, have a bluetooth connection to smartphone and an App that will clearly make a map of the bed for the printers which don't have any ABL system, that will be great !
@Zxchz 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Chep, can you please link that red filament you always use? It looks super cool!
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
It’s filament Friday filament but unfortunately we don’t sell it anymore.
@Zxchz 2 жыл бұрын
@@FilamentFriday oh
@Zxchz 2 жыл бұрын
@@FilamentFriday why not?
@Zxchz 2 жыл бұрын
@@FilamentFriday can you pleaseeeee sell it again? The more I watch your videos, the more I want it lol
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t. Supplier went out of business.
@Mr_Pewpy_But-Whole 2 жыл бұрын
the only upside to linear rails is you dont have to replace the wheels.
@karan7848 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, i am having a very different problem with my 3d printer ... How can I get in touch with you to explain the problem. Tried on website but for some reason it is restricted
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Best way is thru Patreon.
@sprkng 2 жыл бұрын
If you used exactly the same gcode on both printers, what retraction settings did you use? The same retraction distance is not going to be right for both a bowden drive and a direct driver printer..
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
The character print used the KP3S settings. The others used the Ender 2 settings. So in these prints it didn’t seem to matter.
@sprkng 2 жыл бұрын
@@FilamentFriday Ok. I guess the KP3s could handle too long retractions without clogging since it has PTFE lined heat break, but I would've thought the E2Pro should produce more stringing with too short retractions. Thanks for the reply!
@jstro-hobbytech Жыл бұрын
The kingroon had a huge price jump in Canada for some reason.
@alexmills7447 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, do you reckon it would take much work to fit a direct drive setup to the Ender 2 pro?
@south02m 2 жыл бұрын
will be easy, similar to ender 3.
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
Agree with south02m, should be as easy as this. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n6x-lrNetN-leGQ.html
@alexmills7447 2 жыл бұрын
@@FilamentFriday I don't suppose you've got any plans to do this do you?
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
I’m considering it.
@alexmills7447 2 жыл бұрын
@@FilamentFriday would make a cool video to see what this little thing is capable of
@ToniCorvera 2 жыл бұрын
Marlin is definitely a nice improvement on the KP3S, the stock firmware needs refinement
@chickfilameal 2 жыл бұрын
So it's not possible to do multicolor prints on the KP3S at all?
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
Use two files. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/precjdJ-q5anhnk.html
@m97120 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe it will pause with M600 or M601. I didn't find the same G-code comparison very fair. Every machine is different and it should have been compared with the optimal G-code for each machine. And while linear rails might not improve print quality and those printing speeds, I'm sure they'll provide more rigidity at higher speeds and also last much longer and won't need to be adjusted frequently. It's kinda lame that the KingRoon uses V-wheels for the Z axis despite using rails for X and Y. That's kinda where it could have helped a lot to support the X gantry.
@JonnyFlash80 Жыл бұрын
Unless the linear rail had very tight tolerances, I'm not so sure one single linear rail would stabilize the X gantry any more than properly tightened V-wheels. Now on a printer that could have two linear rails on Z, now that would be a definite advantage over V-wheels.
@wrxsubaru02 Жыл бұрын
1:56 That belt looked fine to me.
@earlowens998 9 ай бұрын
Just bought the Ender 2 Pro which, trust me I don’t need. The reviews seemed like the Pro 2 can’t be that good. At $133.36 total I’m ready to try it.
@davidmuller1958 2 жыл бұрын
Great videos man, Thank you.
@david78212 2 жыл бұрын
I have the Ender 2 Pro, it does exactly what I want it to do. I question some of the build issues with the Kingroon and the videos I saw had basically the same issues you had, it was decisive enough for me I didn't want a printer I was going to have to "fiddle" with all the time to keep it going. I have an Ender 3 I mess around with, but, when I want my other printers to print, they print. I haven't and don't plan on printing with TPU, so that's not really an issue, if/when I do, I have one that should print it without issue. People buy so much stuff with the hope "they might" do something and never use that feature. Mine do what I want them to do and that's enough for me and I am not excited about the "clumsy" layout of the Kingroon. Another thing you would have to print stuff for to "fix".
@chizInPhoenix 2 жыл бұрын
@CHEP -- you happen to miss highlighting the pros of the KP3S which are: 1. direct drive out of the box - allows printing of flexibles which is a strong advantage over the Ender 2 Pro 2. not sure if you checked the hot end if this is a V6 clone that has no PTFE tubing / all-metal hot end. Coz if it is, then that's another advantage over the Ender 2 Pro coz it further expands the types of filaments that can be printed on KP3S.
@tonim.9460 2 жыл бұрын
5:11 ?
@svanput 2 жыл бұрын
did you watch the video????
@jstro-hobbytech Жыл бұрын
You could get away with a smaller psu on the kingroon as well
@zakariakhamees 2 жыл бұрын
Rollers need to be replaced every now and then because they wear out over time. Linear rails don't. But i am not sure why they chose to go with rollers for the z axis on the kingroon.
@Pilot_X_indonesia 2 жыл бұрын
Its because not so much movements on z axis. I think u sould that a look at kp5s instead. Its really nice xyz solid axis
@zakariakhamees 2 жыл бұрын
@@Pilot_X_indonesia And to cut the cost down i guess? But does it make that much of a difference in price?
@ferrumignis 2 жыл бұрын
A single linear rail on the z axis of a cantelever this long probably wouldn't give great rigidity in the Y direction (i.e. stopping the end of the x axis flapping back and forward) as that's not how they are intended to be loaded.
@Chrissi33004 2 жыл бұрын
@@Pilot_X_indonesia Yeah I agree, there is less movement on the Z axis, but IF you get flatspots on your Z axis you will see artifacts in your prints.
@xc68000 Жыл бұрын
So the idea with linear rails isn't so much they will make your prints look better but they offer less maintenance. Rubber wheels requires continuous adjusment as they wear.
@FilamentFriday Жыл бұрын
I have machines several years old that are still running original wheels and adjustment. I’ve also had bearing fail in linear rails. So I still don’t see the difference.
@sarganis2576 Жыл бұрын
Consistently good linear rails do not exist at sub-$200 per machine price range. KP3S is too much of a lottery for that reason.
@tiestofalljays 2 жыл бұрын
So it’s kind of like a Prusa Mini.
@TechBrewGamer 2 жыл бұрын
They recently came out with KP5S. It is around the same price point. It is 180*180
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, saw that. Not sure what to think.
@ferrumignis 2 жыл бұрын
KP5S doesn't seem to be available, it's not even shown on the Kingroon website.
@nutterireland 2 жыл бұрын
hi... can anyone explain i am using pla gold in ender 5 , i printed phone bracket half way through i turned up speed from 100 to 150 the filament really did look like shiny gold at 150 , at 100 it looked dull ,why is this thanks .
@BoJoe84 2 жыл бұрын
which nozzle temp do u use?
@KenCunningham921 2 жыл бұрын
If I wanted to print ABS how much of a pain would it be to remove the Power Supply of the Ender for proper ventilation?
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not easy
@KenCunningham921 2 жыл бұрын
@@FilamentFriday so advantage Kingroon when it comes to this issue, provided you can easily covert to all-metal, good to know, thanks.
@grumpyoldman5642 2 жыл бұрын
I print ABS on my ender 2 with no problems
@Blue_Maxxx 2 жыл бұрын
CHEP what do you recommend for a first 3d printer?
@Ja_Zer 2 жыл бұрын
I have an ender 3 pro, but it highly depends on what you are looking for
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
Ender 2 Pro. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qp6Tas2iv9m-f30.html
@paulcumber4732 2 жыл бұрын
how have you been chep
@petrslansky6659 2 жыл бұрын
It looks like you print from SD card. Have you tried to print directly from PC (USB cable)? Does it work? Is it reliable??
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
If your computer shuts down or goes to sleep your print stops.
@petrslansky6659 2 жыл бұрын
@@FilamentFriday My computer never goes to sleep... That was not my point. I ask if the firmware of this printer can be controlled over USB port as I have bad experience with these 32-bit controllers used in cheap 3D printers. I prefer to print directly from PC when I tune my 3D prints... Previous version of KP3S (2020) was total failure, USB communication was randomly freezing, and no updated firmware was ever released....
@bleach_drink_me 2 жыл бұрын
The size of the display and firmware is much like the flsun q5. The board looks similar as well. Looks a lot like a mks robin nano.
@ferrumignis 2 жыл бұрын
If it is an MKS Robin nano clone, does Marlin support it?
@bleach_drink_me 2 жыл бұрын
@@ferrumignis Marlin works on the Q5, so I would assume so.
@ferrumignis 2 жыл бұрын
@@bleach_drink_me Thanks!
@TechBrewGamer 2 жыл бұрын
cause it is a MKS Robin Nano v1.2 ish. a custom-made Robin Nano for Kingroon.
@DaaaveO1971 2 жыл бұрын
I just checked prices on Amazon in Canada for a KP3S. $500 for a KP3S while an Ender 3 (regular version, not the pro or V2) is less than $300. In this market at least, the KP3S is a non-starter.
@bretgalbraith9570 2 жыл бұрын
I'm been following you for a while now and you've always given great information. Your ideas have helped me a lot in the past. I've been hooked ever since I watched this video. I've been printing for about 2 years with a Ender 3 pro that was a gift. I had a question about the extruder motor part ? Is it plastic or metal ? On the pro 2.
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
Motor is metal, gear is metal, idler is metal, arm and base or plastic.
@bretgalbraith9570 2 жыл бұрын
@@FilamentFriday are the motor same as the ender 3 ?
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
As far as I can tell it is.
@bretgalbraith9570 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much.
@drxym Жыл бұрын
That separate PSU makes the whole point self-defeating. A power brick would be fine but not that. Otherwise I wouldn't expect much and don't see much to jusitfy either system except as tinkering / prototype systems for schools or whatnot. I think that in this day and age they could also save money by just requiring the customer sync to an open source phone app and just forego the screen. An app would be better and open source would mean people could improve it.
@seattlefx 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe you can get an answer but Creality doesn’t give any support for the Ender 2. There are no replacement parts or help when things break. I love this printer but I want to fix it with Ender 2 parts not Frankenstein it with Ender 3 to get it working.
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
What parts can’t you get?
@seattlefx 2 жыл бұрын
@@FilamentFriday the mounting plate for the hotend. My mounting points for the hotend broke off. A few months back I had my x tensioner break but I fixed that with resin.
@BangBangBang. 2 жыл бұрын
@@seattlefx I'm struggling to get the board disassembled to replace the thermister I broke
@seattlefx 2 жыл бұрын
I think the biggest problem with the Ender 2 Pro is support. It is a great reliable printer but when parts go bad there are no replacements. The belt tensioners are plastic and when they break and mine did, I had to make a part out of washers to have a metal part and get my printer up and running.
@paulcumber4732 Жыл бұрын
could you add a laser engraver on it
@nejlepsipikolistka 8 ай бұрын
Yes I think you can put one on both
@higet1 Жыл бұрын
bownden vs direct with EXECT the same gcode? Are u serious? can't tighten the belts? come on man... set retract to 0.7/30 and y`ll see the difference
@smoke2584 Жыл бұрын
He looks like a pure kingroon hater and a creality fanboi. Lol
@jbonn5365 Жыл бұрын
@@smoke2584 He's def a creality schill. But he makes some valid points. If someone wants a printer they can just setup and get ok prints with and never really touch it, the ender2 is probably that. I got a kingroon kp3s for christmas, and out of the box I had to lube the rails (I suppose this wasn't a must... but it made things way smoother), the z axis required some adjustment to get it just right. I've also added the flexible pei and a silicone sock. These are all stupid simple things, but someone new to printing wouldn't necessarily know to do these things. That said... In fairness to kingroon I didn't have to do any of these things to print. I've just done them as Klipper is the next step. I'm not looking for insane speeds... but I'd like to get some pretty good speed out of it.
@RouterAC Жыл бұрын
I have ordered kp3s pro the machine, I spent 980 RMB, two days later my delivery arrived, I am very much looking forward to it.
@jonathanlarsen4177 Жыл бұрын
really good machine, good choice.
@TechBrewGamer 2 жыл бұрын
Kingroon's firmware isn't open source. It is based on Marlin v1 . If you try to update the firmware the screen will need a print to make it a different direction. The KP3s is very cheap. That is why people turn to it. They kingroon didn't enable most things because they have the very basic marlin commands through the touch ui made by mks. the board is from MKS Robin Nano v1.2~1.3 - The board needs jumper wires soldered to be able to use it in UART mode. otherwise, they are A4988 mode in the firmware.
@sprkng 2 жыл бұрын
You're talking about an older version of the KP3s, the current version is 3.0 which has TMC2225 drivers. And are you saying that Creality's 4.2.3 board can use UART without soldering additional wires to it? Because that would make it the first Creality board being able to do that
@user-yk1cw8im4h 2 жыл бұрын
you always support the creality brand no matter what hmm...
@UnCoolDad 2 жыл бұрын
You can get belt tensioners which look like little springs. Item 1005003049732383 on Ali express. Cheap too.
@Jon-vm3qw 2 жыл бұрын
The kp3s is 159$ on ebay....
@harbordetail6852 2 жыл бұрын
My kp3s is a dime, its all there for the price
@ahmedal-modaifea4457 2 жыл бұрын
So far, all the videos that compare V-wheels and linear rails have one thing in common. None of them talked about the lifespan of each method. Also, how the ability to do adjustment on the wheels affects them? Is it even a feature to look for? And what about maintenance once any of them fail, how much would it cost to fix them? Is it easy? The day/dollar perhaps?
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
It’s certainly easier and cheaper to replace a wheel vs linear rail but I had a printfarm full of Creality printers for years and never had to replace a single wheel.
@ahmedal-modaifea4457 2 жыл бұрын
@@FilamentFriday cool, but was there any adjustments?
@ZeroAnkoku Жыл бұрын
That PSU looks so annoying to deal with.
@TommiHonkonen 2 жыл бұрын
linear wont make any better quality but boy is it easy to use. I have x axis converted to linear on ender.
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
Easier In what way? I’m curious?
@TommiHonkonen 2 жыл бұрын
@@FilamentFriday Theres no adjusting it. Less parts. Overall it is better. Something like ender 3 or this kingroon wont probably need it but move to a ratrig like i did and there is no point in anything other than linear rail. The cost of a rail is pretty much cheaper after you once change full round of v slot wheels. Or depends. V slot wheel at 3d jake cost 5€ per piece. Linear rail cost me 25€.
@clixium 2 жыл бұрын
@@TommiHonkonen who pays €5 for a wheel when you can get 10 of them for the same price from China :)
@st0mper121 2 жыл бұрын
Shame i could really use a 2nd printer for TPU its in the right price point but that firmware needs to be fixed
@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll be showing how to print TPU on Ender 2 Pro.
@Richie_ Жыл бұрын
I'm still undecided on which printer to buy, my 1st one. I've been drawn towards the Creality CR20-Pro. Have you tried one???
@FilamentFriday Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t recommend the CR-20 line.
@Richie_ Жыл бұрын
@@FilamentFriday what would you recommend for around the same cost? I mainly picked it because of auto bed levelling.
@Richie_ Жыл бұрын
@@FilamentFriday Ender 5 Pro?
@FilamentFriday Жыл бұрын
I’d go with the Ender 3 S1 Pro for slightly more but better hotend and direct drive. Otherwise I recommend the Ender 2 Pro for beginners and learn if you even like 3D printing for under $200. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qp6Tas2iv9m-f30.html
@hentaimonster Жыл бұрын
Tldr; Kingroon is for enthusiast tinkerers who mod their printer. Ender is for non enthusiasts who just want to print stuff. There is a solution for every gripe you have about this machine outside of the small display. 3d touch auto bed leveler as an example and even solutions to the belt tightening.
@hassosigbjoernson5738 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't agree that the Ender is more for non enthusiasts just because it doesn't "need" so many workarounds. If it's all about the direct extruder there is one from creality which can be used for this machine as well (just as an example). So there is potential for modding on each of the printers. The thing is: if I want a printer for modding and tinkering I would buy a machine used for half the price and mod it. Because at the end it's not so important which printer you buy (especially when it's a first printer), it's more about how big it's community is, how easy spare parts are to get and what you make out of the printer. So most Creality, Anycubic, Sovol or Prusa meet this requirement and deliver good prints.
@hentaimonster Жыл бұрын
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 I fully agree with you, my comment was more of a response of this guys review of it and how he presented it. To me felt more like he was saying it is not really an enthusiast printer and more for a regular person who wants to experiment with the hobby and just have a little fun without the need to go crazy with mods.
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