Yes true. And the Alpinestars Tech 5 looks to provide greater overall pprotection compared to Klim. I am reading and seeing reviews that are saying that the Tech Air 5 is only generally suitable for on road/track use and should only be used for light off road. Not sure of the tructh in that but in one review a Alpinestars rep seems to back up those statements.

Klim In&motion does not have a subscription cost either if you choose the classic formula and it will cost about the same as the alpinestars if you buy both vest and in&motion box. The difference in&motion gives you the choice to choose lease or buy formula. All the others don't. Alpinestars gives better protection over the shoulders and collarbone, but they do not protect the neckarea. It is a choice you have to make yourself

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I know, and the price for both the vest and cartridges is a massive turn off for most.

I completely agree with your viewpoint. I'm uncertain about where the cost lies in the vest. Creating the vest itself shouldn't be expensive as it's nothing groundbreaking. As for the command module, I believe it wouldn't cost much to produce, and any technology investment should be recouped through sales. There's truly no justification for the high price of the replacement cartridges.

Adventure, off road.

@@HardPackedADV This is good information. Looking back on it, it looks like a get off that's right on the "edge" of what I'd want the bag to go off for in ADV mode. Do you know how fast you were going, roughly? Also, do you have any personal sense of how "essential" it was the bag go off given the kind of movement involved? I'm just wondering how tolerant the ADV mode's algorithm is of low speed drops/falls/incidents, or even particularly dramatic/sudden jolts while staying upright. Technical riding can involve multiple, relatively harmless low speed incidents and many "wild" moments -even intentional ones - that we just ride through. I obviously wouldn't want to go through 2-3 charges (and take the time to reset the vest) on a more challenging off-road day. Thanks for any thoughts!

It's not a great design. Fairly poorly designed considering the price you pay for it. I tend to push down on it a slight bit and then slide it out.

Have a look at Dainese, I believe that theirs has side protection. But it does use two cannisters and to reset it it needs to go back to the manufacturer, they may have changed this.

Look at the Helite Turtle 2 either mechanical or electronic trigger. No subscription and you don't need to send back to HQ to reset.

@@mranvo Just to be clear for other readers, the Klim doesn't need to go back to the factory, either, and can be repacked in the field (as long as you have a spare Argon charge canister). Alpinestars and, I believe, Dianese, do need to go back to the factory after each charge