I guess you can say that the Veyle-only dagger isn't *aveyleable* to other units.

The benefit of Misericorde over Elfire is that the knife gets dagger scaling when forged. Both cost the same to upgrade, but at +5 Misericorde is 16 Mt (equal to a base Bolganone, with 5 less weight) vs Elfire which caps at 12 Mt. Veyle’s terrible Bld (7 with a 0% growth), means it’s a viable option at least. I do wish there was a generic magic dagger though EDIT: just realised I was looking at the base stats of Elwind instead of Elfire. I’m a dummy; both end at 16 Mt if fully forged… upgrade cost is the same though

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It's a shame the devs realized having any magic daggers easily available would make Yunaka too overpowered, so they had to nerf her and lock the magic dagger to Veyle only 😔

I wonder which dagger was used to slay Marni?

The endgame weapons should have been impossible to upgrade and similar in stats to a +5 silver weapon. Having an extremely limited number of chapters to use a weapon already sucks, but then having to spend a lot of resources upgrading it just so it's better than your current weapon is even worse.

5:00 Due to favouritism, I gave the Veyle dagger (Misericordia, I think it's called?) an Alear engrave, and she accidentally became a dodge tank (with good crit too) And even then, poison didn't matter because she would just kill them

Steel dagger should be in the same tier as Silver. maybe even higher. it seems like availability isn't a strong consideration for this tierlist (but maybe it is because of vayles perf being so low). Steel is way more accessible pre ch10, and it's cheaper to refine to +4 which also gives 10 crit over the silver and synergizes with yunaka's perf. these are factors that you either didn't mention or forgot about. idk how 3 might is the difference between "endgame viable" or not.

Love your vids man keep it up! Great when you crack yourself up talking about memes or OP/ absurd things in the game. Sense of humor combined with knowledge will help keep your audience coming back! Only suggestion I have as a more casual player is somehow having the name by the icon? As many hours as I’ve put into this game you’d think I would know them all, but watching your vids I’ve had to scroll around and go back a looot, trying to find where you say the name of each…maybe I’m alone in this. Anyways…keep up the good work!

So in my only playthrough I did (which was on maddening) I fully invested in the Veyle special dagger and gave it the Fire emblem engraving and she kinda popped off with it. She was constantly doubling everything, and was doing around 30-40 damage a hit to everything that was a non magic unit. She also became an avoid tank with it plus the max avoid u can get from Marth and she was just soloing maps on her own.

Confectioknife is strictly better than Iron Dagger in terms of unupgraded stats, so it does actually have a niche in that you can give Yunaka’s Iron Dagger Micaiah engrave to be upgraded as her dodge tank weapon, then give her the confectioknife for if she needs to do more damage, until you either forge the Micaiah Iron Dagger to a Steel or get the Ch10 free steel. This opens up the forging material economy early to be put into other stuff, like early Levin Swords, ever so slightly.

3:53 took me out for a second when I heard "baby....killer weapon" I was laughing a little too much at how that sounded out of context haha.

I think sword wolf knight is the best way to use a knife build. Swords and knifes have really nice synergy. Knife have consistent 2 range while swords have armorslayer, Levin sword, and brave sword. Or you could have lances for dealing with opposing cavaliers. Amber is tied for the highest strength growth in the game, so you can just give him knife proficiency with Leif or micaiah and immediately master seal him to wolf knight.

Going to be using Kard now that I know it's a "baby killer" weapon. The large number of baby type enemies have been giving me a lot of trouble

1:36 I simply call that knife Quesadilla or Quinceñera.

I feel like you didn't give the food item any serious consideration. It beats out Iron in every way. It's tied for stats in many cases but gives 1 more attack, and 10 dodge. I guess maybe it can't be +5? So that would make it lose out to Iron, but still, pretty decent for the earliest stuff.

poison is 1/3/5 true damage and because of that i say it scales, especially since it multiplies with brave weapons, so 4x weapon with max poison does 20 more damage

A baby killer weapon? This game is sick!

Technically, if you have the DLC, you can get the silver dagger literally right after the chapter you get Yunaka from the forge. (or if you are lucky like me, do Anna paralogue and get a silver from the well. Which you mentioned). One thing I really am mad about is that the Corrin sword that is a range attack only should have been a damn dagger category. Only weapon type we don't have from an emblem >_

I usually just go steel + 4 with a crit engrave. Steel is much cheaper to upgrade and its mt at +4 will easily carry you through midgame. By the time you reach late game, you could spend a ton of ores to get a +4 silver which has a few extra points of mt over steel, but that always felt way too expensive for me for such a small increase. Especially because even with the extra mt, thieves will struggle to one-round things without a crit build. And if you're fishing for crits, steel has more crit than silver.

The only real use for the smash dagger is to weigh your thief down so they can actually get some enemy phase chip in. In which case it's ok I guess, just one range daggers arent good in my opinion just because you're going to have other crit builds that will always be more effective with less investment, and the crit engraves are hotly contested, and finally 1-2 range is infinitely better than one range

I wonder if a killer dagger or a brave dagger would have been so crazy. Also I know it's not that relevant to the video, but I miss assassin. If thief was just a regular pre promo class then it'd be easier to switch Yunaka to whatever but instead you gotta wait until lvl 21. And that's just so far in

the smash knife is good for ep focused yunaka builds because of the high might and the fact that that enemies attack first anyways

smash dagger is for true avoid tanks to deal damage in the end game where they wont get hit then nuke a target in one hit

Yea cinqueda would top tier if it was easier to max out but on post game its fucking monstrous in pvp especially i find enemy teams cant handle it even maxed out louis take damage from it

I actually like to run Veyle on Wolf Knight and her dagger gives me a Magic option to kill Armor and Berserkers and such with. It hits decently hard and usually out damages low res units vs the equivalent silver dagger. I use both on her as Levin Sword usually eats into my speed and I can engrave +wt +mt on the daggers but not on the Levin Sword.

IMO the amount of extra mt given for knives makes silver dagger easy to use throughout the entire game, little need for power leveling again in my opinion. Also, misuricode +5 with the fire engraving carried me lategame, idk how good it would be for others but it was very good for me

Knife to meet you

Huh. I just did some analysis on cost effectiveness for the standard daggers, and the results were pretty mixed. Turns out, the best dagger really depends on what level of power you're looking at, and what point in the game you're at. My favored strategy would be to get Yunaka's Iron dagger up to +4 unless you don't plan to use Yunaka. If you want to go beyond that, steel +4 and silver +3 are both reasonable. Silver +4 is really expensive, but if you want to go for it, I'd suggest ignoring the steel dagger. Daggers, unlike other weapons, get an Mt refinement pattern of +2,+2,+2,+2,+1 for refinement levels 1-5. Most other weapons get +2, +0, +2, +0, +2. So basically, for other weapons, iron +5 is comparable to steel +3 is comparable to silver +1 in terms of power. For any given level of power, silver is the heaviest and cheapest to refine, iron is the lightest and most expensive to refine to that level. Iron +1 is super cost effective and a fantastic early game investment, but, mid and late game should be steel or silver depending on unit build. But for knives, since they DO get mt on even refinement levels, iron +3, steel +2 and silver +1 are comparable. Silver has 1 more Mt, steel has more crit, iron has more hit (handy for units in forests.) Ultimately though, they're close in quality, and different players can reasonably value any of them more highly. That aside, I'll take a look at refinement costs from the base weapon for iron +4, steel +3, and silver +2. Mt Hit Crit Wt Refine Cost (Gold) Refine Cost (Iron Equivalent) Iron +4 13 110 0 3 1600 350 Steel +3 13 85 5 4 1800 340 Silver +2 14 95 0 7 2000 350 Iron is the cheapest base weapon, which is an advantage not factored in. But at this level, refinement costs are all very close. Iron really doesn't have any more room for further refinement though, which is a disadvantage. But I found when you raise or lower the Mt level, relative refinement costs change, and sometimes one material will have a substantial advantage. So, for each level, I'll include the most cost effective, with a quick note on how important it is. 5: Iron: Only option. 7: Iron +1: Refining to steel from iron is much more expensive. 9/10: Iron +2: Somewhat cheaper than steel +1. Refining to silver is much more expensive. 11/12: Silver +1: Steel +2 and Iron +3 are similar. Silver is less cost effective if you refined it from iron. So it's only the best once you've got Merrin (or a lucky well drop.) 13/14: Iron +4: They all cost about the same to refine, but iron has the cheapest base weapon, but the least potential for further refinement. 15: Steel +4: Surprisingly, this is actually much more cost effective than Iron +5 or Silver +3. 16: Silver +3: Silver +3 power matches Steel +5, but is substantially more cost effective. Iron cannot get this strong. 18: Silver +4 (the only option.) 20: Silver +5 (the only option.) Definitely got some mixed results. What I've typically done is use an iron dagger, get it to +4, then refine Merrin's silver dagger to at least +3. Running Steel +4 is not something I've done, but it seems like a viable option, as silver +3 is only a touch more powerful and accurate, and silver +4 is much more expensive.

KNIFES are cool 😎

New unit tier list when?

S rank weapons they need to fix for next Fire Emblem because you cannot give the legendary weapons so late in the game that you cannot use them, and the protagonist's legendary weapon needs to come in significantly sooner than only be able to be used for the final chapter of the game and be mediocre at best too.

This tier list made me wish they brought back Flame Shuriken from FE Fates. It's a MAG based weapon similar to Levin Sword, Flame Lance etc. Felicia was a playable character in Fates and she was awesome with FS, because her MAG stat was so high. This allowed her to tear through armored units like butter, since armored enemies usually have terrible RES. Also, on a somewhat related note, I'm disappointed how one note the Thief class feels in Engage. You no longer need them to open doors, chests, or carry keys anymore. So what other use are they, other than holding chokepoints or being dodge tanks? I also think the class exclusive skill should've not been Pass (terrible skill), but maybe make the hits sleep or paralyze for 1 turn and have it scale based on dagger forges or current level.

I believe lvl 5 steel dagger gives 10 crit compared to silver lvl 5 (with 3 less damage) while also costing less to upgrade. On Yunaka whose passive gives crit I would put it on the same level as silver dagger.

Can the two dlc dragons use veyle’s dagger?

Great video, but are you still planning on finishing chapter 6 xeno dlc

Ive been using encganter clanne simce chapter 9 im curious about what could fit him But hes already wrecking i cant really support since hes busy ending somebody elses live support

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You know poison does scale with more poison right? If anyone is poisoned twice the damage is plus 3 per hit instead of plus one, and it stacks 3 times for plus 5 damage per hit, and I’m pretty sure it’s true damage so a unit doing 0 damage but doubling can now do 10 damage if you stack three poisons. Only really useful on bosses or other enemies with multiple health bars but still pretty nice. Why I almost always reclass my early game cav’s to wolf knights.

“Kard is sort of a baby killer weapon.” Well then….definitely not using that.

Uhm i am not agree with steel dagger, it is a lot cheaper than silver and you can use it from early to late game without any issue if you upgrade it and use an engrave, silver could be very expensive, i think steel is high A tier or low S

Thief clanne, one of my main picks

So the people swearing by +5 Iron knife are all tripping?

Thieves being locked into Daggers just makes them worse Wolf Knights. They could've geven them access to Bows to make them counter flying units.

I find steel plus 4 suitable till you get cinqudea. I stopped trying to use daggers for killing most of the time and use even yunaka for support mostly now. Daggers just don't hit hard most of the time but with enchanter they probably could now. Enchanter is too gimmicky to run imo. Enchanting weapons enchants every of that weapon type enemies included which is actually bad. The tonic enchantments are pretty good though but if enchanter gets hit it dies relatively fast due to possibly being the frailest class in the game.

you went way too easy on the Carnwenhan because it’s probably one of the worst weapons in the series. It’s strong but it’s downsides make it so redundant it’s nearly unusable, your thief doesn’t want to be weighed down by it or be attacked first and there are so much more safer ways to inflict poison and avoid unnecessary damage. I’m entirely convinced it was only used as a reference to King Arthur

no Yunaka nomming on the confectioknife in the thumbnail? dislike

That doesn't take in consideration when dodge +20 makes yunaka virtually impossible to hit, may do 0 damage, but it has always 100% accuracy, so any dmg over 0 means that you are winning the trade, all thanks to micaiah engraving