I thought they clipped the mountain just 20-30 feet of clearing the mountains highest point and spiraled down while the copter was in one piece. Kobe Bryant Helicopter Would Have Cleared Hill If 20-30 Ft. Higher, NTSB Says However, there were still surrounding hills that would have required an even higher altitude for clearance

Speaking as a helicopter pilot, loss of control is highly likely when you cannot see the horizon and orient yourself. Helicopters are unstable by nature, and require precise pilot input to keep upright. Seems likely that he had vertigo, lost control, and descended rapidly into the terrain. I developed a VR system precisely for the purpose of inadvertent flight into IMC, not a product yet unfortunately, but it is for exactly this situation: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/isx3jLSo3tqtdKM.html (My video is also not monetized, FYI, just thought you would find it interesting. The system works with rotary and fixed wing.)

@@specter290 All of what you have stated is correct, I read this same info last night and then verified it via other credible sources.

I read because of SD he might not have realized he'd gone into a steep dive until it was too late. Lost control, and that was all she wrote.

@@jaywunder13242 that's certainly quite likely in my view. When you can't see anything, your brain will play all kinds of tricks on you. Look up the JFK Jr. accident...exactly the same thing but in a small airplane.

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Brane Tadic, no one could have said it better. Thank you

All they had to do was land on a smaller hill till they radioed backup or the flog cleared the ilot needed to be tested for drugs or a bomb or if it's purposely no maintenance this needs investigation then no terrain warning or black box And Kobe gets on your helicopter was not New enough for you u are worth too much for a old helicopter with no Key factors something needs to be done

Agree. Sometimes you have to just say it's not worth it. That could of been one of them. So sad. 9 ppl just like that. R.i.p.

Kobe always wanted it his way. Im sure somebody would have atleast warned him

Michael Parker - he could have landed on the road after declaring an emergency. Fog will always eventually lift. Easy peasy with a heli. Presuming nothing wrong with the aircraft, and with his experience, instead he took the choice to kill himself and all the others. Gambling with his life is one thing. Let’s see what the NTSB report shows when a pilot confronted with overwhelming fog, what the pilot is supposed to do.

@@robertp7209 exactly..well said

Michael Parker - listen to this, speaking about flying and fog, I was out fishing in the ocean not far from an inlet in my 20 ft boat. I was drifting at the time. I live on Long Island, NY. There was a fog layer - very heavy not too far up, but it was very clear down by me. No airports in many many miles. So I’m hearing a plane but don’t see anything, can’t figure direction, all of a sudden a small single engine plane drops down out of the fog almost to the water level them flies back up into the fog in an instant. The plane was coming towards me from the stern but off to the side. I could not believe it. Can you imagine going out in the ocean fishing on a small boat and ending up dead hit by a plane? So help me. 😲

Oh wow!!you would think that pilot wouldn’t of chanced it!!

Do you have any pics of how bad the fog was that day.

Angela Duke happy that you’re still here. I do want to say that I wouldn’t have thought that you were born then.

Zechariah Cameron I think Kobe’ helicopter pilot had more confident in his self that’s the sad part about it

Zdiddy7 I wasn’t being a creep, you loser. This video is about a sad topic, so I was just trying to be a little nice. Screw you for thinking that! I never said anything about “hitting her up” or sending her a message. I just wanted to be nice and also compliment her. So again, SCREW YOU!

Angela Duke I didn’t comment saying that you looked like you weren’t around then to flirt with you. I was just saying that when I initially read your comment I was just surprised to hear you say that you were here on this earth in 1978. I just wanted to be nice and lift spirits. after this needed about Kobe that still hurts me. I wasn’t trying to disrespect you.

@@IWantToMature85 No worries! Totally understand! Thankfully, I was born with amazing Italian genes that I am forever grateful for! And, thank you.

@Trevor Johnson how about you just don't exist

@Trevor Johnson how?

Day 7

Yes day 7 still doesn't feel real. I'm torn

It hurts if it's preventable..

Facts 💯

Seriously

Notice the Temp/dew point spread in weather report and considering the adiabatic lapse rate per thousand feet, they really were IMC in FOG, HAZE and LA Basin smog. Tragic, senseless accident. Squawk 7700, declare and emergency, climb IMC and use FAR 91.3 then worry about paperwork later. In over 38 years of flying planes, helicopters and transports, I’ve never hesitated to declare an emergency when warranted and never once, was asked to write an explanation about it. May God have mercy on their souls RIP plus grant peace and comfort to the grieving families.

he knows that this is a sensitive topic he got to respect that

I agree it gave me a better understanding.. Also why did he lose altitude so quickly.. Was he suffering massive heart attack

was thinking that the whole time, too many things grounded that day.

encinobalboa same

Land on a roof, parking lot, airport any where but that is why hindsight is perfict

@@luminouscreators3951 everyone was IFR that day and there was also a go around, that tells me a LOT!!

If only......😞😞😞😞💔💔💔💔 tremendous loss.....

Right because he's flying a celebrity like Kobe

True. Probably it goes like, Kobe: " Can you fly?". Pilot ( pressured): "Uhmm, yeah sure we just need this, that "

I hate to be the one to say it but maybe he was pressured indirectly because of Kobe's mamba mentality ie. don't quit attitude. It's always the little stupid things.

Bottom line, a pilot should not fly with external pressures

It's called "get-there-itis." It's a real thing.

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Changggh...

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Doesnt want a lawsuit...lol...just being responsible

Wonder if with all the tools available one can add the weather conditions at the time. I would like to see if SVFR would make a difference then, I suspect pilot was confident enough to still fly even if it would require IFR.

Agreed. He should monetize the video just because it was what most of us needed to know regarding such a confusing crash. Confusing to non pilot persons. All of what was being covered in media left so many questions that this video responsibly cleared up with the disclaimer in place.

Derrick Patterson ......Kobe and his daughter + plus other people, right?

Pilots want to learn from any mistakes.

This video shows his flight path, has no information about what caused the crash. There was no reason for the pilot to stop communicating with ATC for the final 5 minutes of the flight and drop altitude so rapidly resulting in an impact with the hillside.

The Frase shh

Derrick Patterson well said

I like your comment , and your spot on about the fog that day in la county, and the fog hasn't come back since, so the cloud claimed it's passenger's and game over! Wow, what's a strange fog that one day

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It turns out to be that foggy day, their fate was sealed,

lol fog part la

Funny how its automatically assumed the weather was a coincidence. Very naive.

The Real thing is this was common for Kobe he flew in a helicopter like if it was a car. When it's time it's time.

Sounds like a good poll question...

Yes... but when the weather is scary I pull over. I drove in fog one time and another car almost hit me... so I pulled over really fast and promise myself I would never do that again. Besides, this area had a lot of deer running around. If I see heavy fog or ice I will pull over. Too many times people don't use caution judgment. I won't be part of those 10 car accidents that happen on icy road and fog condition. That you hear on the news all the time.

Vision L Not the point they are making. Regardless of weather conditions, texting and driving is one of the most dangerous things one can do. Just comparing that with flying in poor visibility.

Being able to see on occasion is a bit different than flying in fog.

Yeah it's called life and death.

Yes sir

Still trying to fathom MJ has been gone since 2009.

the Bible says we are like a vapor in the wind.

@@Shrek-gh4lg yeah the bible talks a lot of shit

Goddess Hylia yes!!

Exactly!

EXACTLY!!! So unfortunate!

and he made a wrong turn

That's what I said: The pilot's pride got them all killed.

This hit so hard for me becuase this can be used for life in general. Thank you for sharing🙌

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This is insensitive. The ink hasn't even dried on the mortality papers yet....

TobyTheBlackDog Another old saying, “ Have an equal number of take-offs and landings”. Crashes don’t count as landings.

I’m so confused, why is everyone pointing fingers at the pilot? I understand there was low visibility, but isn’t the verdict still that they have no idea what caused the rapid decent? Fog does not make a helicopter fall out of the sky... correct?

Big respect to you sir

Thank you. Lotsa respect for you guys.

Impressive credentials. Thank you for you’re service and input.

Pilot is always in charge.He should have called it off regardless of passenger demands. My dad always told me never fly into clouds. I asked him why and he said you cant see. I understood, I was 10. I wonder if the passengers even knew of their impending doom as the passenger compartment looks sealed. They may have had no idea and may even have been sleeping

Respect sir!

Yep

Max stop putting blame on the pilot. You don’t know what was said. What Kobe said. Anyone. Let them rest in peace

It's not that simple. Pilot have +20 years of experience, this is defo not his first time flying through this kind of weather; Bring VIP passengers; The arrival distance is 5 minutes of flight path; It's not like flipping hand to arrange short notice landing & where the closest landing path; Pilot is not Kobe's assistant, as once they landing, Kobe himself must arrange his own vehicle, which too far from the central city, another wasting of time. If anything need to be updated, is the rule of flight. On this kind of weather & terrain, private airplane & helicopter must not allowed to fly.

Brandon Falco I’m just being Monday morning qb bro and saying he had those options but hindsight is 20/20. May they all rest in peace🙏🏽

I realize that you are comparing what you know to what you don't know. It's really a complicated thing. It's even different from fixed wing aircraft and chopper flying, and both have little to do with driving a car on the ground. I think most of the general public can get a lot more understanding of 'chopper rules' and the HUGE differences between fixed wing flying and helicopter flying by watching the video I will post below. (you fixed wing hobby flyers will get a lot out of this too) It will give you a lot more insight as to the many possibilities of why this accident happened and what more than likely happened. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y9-dlqpevrGzc4E.html

That area around that time is always foggy. when they deported it wss sunny in Newport.. they didnt expect the fog in Calabasas

jehova chavez they actually departed from John Wayne airport in Santa Ana. I live in Anaheim and was out and about that morning. It was certainly NOT sunny that day out here at all.

Lord how the Reaper comes!!!!! And what a fog. what a fog!

The days here may end up sunny 85% of the time, but they don’t start out that way. We have dozens of different “micro-climates too. I’ve lived on both sides of the Hollywood Hills and Santa Monica Mountains, as well as the coast (Venice) and Midtown/“Beverly Hills-adjacent” as they say. And there are big climate differences in those neighborhoods: coastal, valley, desert, foothills. Most areas out here get at least some fog in the mornings. I would even say that most LA County areas experience fog up to 50% of our mornings. Some of the costal neighborhoods get fog almost every morning. It happens at night a lot too. People don’t tend to make a big deal out of it because it occurs mainly around 3AM to 7AM when everyone is sleeping. And we have a lot of hills and valleys that trap the coastal fog coming in off the ocean like a big bowl, which is why we used to have such bad smog problems in the 70s. Heck, we even have a mini-season out here in LA that we call “June Gloom,” where we get grey skies and fog every morning for a whole month. During this 4-6 week “season,” it doesn’t get sunny out until around 2-3PM every day, once the sun finally burns off the fog. Of course, as with many places, the weather patterns are a lot less predictable than they were 10 years ago. You used to be able to “set your watch” by the June Gloom and the December rains.

I would say 75% sunny in this area all year.

They can zoom in on you taking a dump.

@@whitecloud_94 seriously?

@@NoName-st7tx yep. They can.

@@NoName-st7tx im watching you right now

strups lol same, this is sick

What could have been done differently? Is it possible that they could had survived

Am not a pilot but you described the pilot situation, possibilities and some basics that I understood and feel.

@@soleil2269 All we can do is speculate here as to the actual conditions, but if this video is accurate at all and the pilot was climbing he should be able to see the cloud level and know that he is nearing them. In VFR conditions you need to remain 500 ft below the clouds but that depends on the airspace (another topic) but you cannot purposely enter the clouds so what he should have done was turn around and land at the airport. Again, we can only guess that he may have been weaving through some clouds or expecting that he would break out of the cloud layer, but once he committed to entering those conditions, the was engulfed or confined by clouds and lost visibility. These are purely assumptions and are consistent with what little we know. The best answer is to turn around. Risking or hoping for the conditions to be clear is a bad thought process.

@@BrianAz I'm wondering if the pilot maybe had a heart attack to all of a sudden lose control like that. They'll probably never know.

@@dbaum23 Awesome questions. I would be with you on the possibility if he was was just flying straight and level and suddenly without any obvious outside influence, crashed. The FAA physical is not a sure thing and its not impossible. In these kinds of accidents we all have those questions, but we have to take into account the conditions as the first factor. Loss of control when being deeply affected by vertigo makes the most sense. Some accidents in weather like this come from pilot controlled flight into an obstacle due to cloud or fog obscurement, night time operations, and even in level flight. We have had to fly off the remains of accidents like this, its very sad. I am sure the pilot was very afraid when he got disoriented, if indeed that is what happened. It must have been a horrible time.

Glad you found my channel. I’ve been a little slow making content lately but I have some interesting new ideas in the works.

Wow, and you lived to tell us about it. So wonderful that you took the copter down out of the bad weather on those occasions. Good for you! So sad this guy did not!

Also couldn’t see jack

Looking at that terrain as the altitude got lower, was there any safe space to land?

Trying to land a helicopter in an urban area with no visibility is quite perilous; power lines and helicopters don't get along very well.

I'm not a helicopter pilot at all. I try very much to not board an airplane when weather is challenged. But I would have due to bad weather landing in safe ground.

Your right, this just sticks in my mind day after day and at night before and during sleep, it's a strange feeling that I can't explain! A accident pure and simple, the captain of the chopper lost control of his ship and they all perished

I already used 20 of them but thanks

They might have kobes public memorial at staples like they did mj

Same here. Every since this tragic event happened, i can't even get kobe off of my mind. This situation just disturbs me. It feels surreal.

This whole thing just makes me realize how sweet life was before Kobe’s death

This man who saw the helicopter frying over his house and he took picture..And you he can see the helicopter clearly...The helicopter was making circle in the air..The home owner could not understand why the helicopter was doing that..Minutes lately the helicopter started falling and falling fast....Another home owner took pictures while the helicopter was falling...The helicopter did not hit a mountain when the helicopter hit the ground it was all together...Very High Impact...

You got that right!!

Easy to take Uber the rest of the way....you are completely correct.

The thought I’ve read was that the pilot WAS doing a 180 to exit the conditions. Let’s not crucify the pilot just yet guys. Admittedly it doesn’t look good but as captain of that ship he may have had reason to believe a 180 out was doable. We don’t know guys, just pray for his, Kobe’s, and the other souls on boards family.. please!

sethada1846 very true, we have no idea what the pilot was trying to do, he may well had realized VFR wasn’t cutting it and was trying to go above the weather. We also don’t know how the 20 minutes holding over Burbank affected his decisions both on technical and procedural fronts.

@@sethada1846 your prayers mean nothing.. Guy is dead.. His daughter too.. His wife and daughters died with them in that chopter..

Yes still don't make sense

No

...and everyone else onboard!, Omgosh, give the other victims the respect that they deserve and at least mention their names or something!

Ze Bunker Smh weird as fuck

Ze Bunker weirdo

@A Design What you said...that one sentence...is probably the most stupidest thing I have ever seen.

Agreed, or bring the helicopter up to a very safe height and then fly directly to their destination and start lowering the helicopter to the ground. I'm not a helicopter pilot but I fly a drone. When I'm unsure about whether my drone is high enough in the air, I will go straight up into the air until I feel safe again. But perhaps the helicopter dropped down because of mechanical reasons and it wasn't just poor judgement by the pilot.

The pilot recommended to Kobe they come down at Burbank and drive from there but Kobe was the one that said no and to keep flying

Bobby Roberrrt where is that said?

@BobbyRoberrrt how do you know that? Just curious as I hadn’t heard that.

You know, I thought about that...... I can't imagine that the traffic would be that bad on a Sunday morning. Maybe coming home in the afternoon the traffic would be a concern, but it seems a waste to risk all those promising lives for a little convenience on a foggy Sunday morning. This video was very well done, thank you.

C Drought but how did the helicopter go down so fast from jus turning around

@@morrisrich1430 I can only guess / assume that he didn't know he was flying straight into the ground OR he lost control of it & it fell out of the sky because the NTSB said his rate of descent was over 2000' / min.

Can you explain why they want helicopters to stay inside the clouds in an area full of mountains? Is it because the higher flight levels are used by other air traffic or what?

You make the rules up there based on your judgement and present conditions, Great Call !!!

​@@Darxxxyde Air Traffic control or a number of reason set by the administrator, most helicopters engines suffer serious problems at higher altitude due to the air being so thin, but usually they don't freak out too much about you climbing, they are more concerned about you being too low. You're not supposed to be within 500 feet of ANYTHING that means vehicles, people, generally the ground. but it's all bullshit. I don't care what ATC says in a situation like that, if I was that pilot in Kobe's chopper, I woulda told them "up yours" basically. You ain't making me flying at what was likely under 100 feet of visibility NEAR, NO, RIGHT ON TOP OF, A STREW OF MOUNTAINS (hills, but they're fucking huge.) Imagine flying a chopper in that fog, you turn too hard, and at one point you recognize you are heading into a mountain, and you have 100 feet to get away from that mountain from the moment you see it. Trust me my friend, that is a very short of amount of time, and your instruments only help you so much in a situation like that. Frankly I don't know why the pilot went ahead with the special protocol. If turning back wasn't an option, I would have just been like "oh yeah sure i'll follow the flight path" and then declare an emergency. Give them my position and route, tell them to get everyone out of the way, and **** off. Go ahead and reprimand me or whatever, better to be safe than FUCKIN' DEAD. Especially when other people's lives are in my hands. As a guy commented here, Trinity Soldier, you make up the rules based on present conditions. Much like a soldier, improvise, adapt, overcome.

@@humblewarrior6585 Thank you soldier! A pilot, just like a ground soldier, must be able to adapt to his many environments and adversities.

Razgriz Straitz Real pilot mentality right there. Respect.

I realize I am late, but you are so right. Perception, our minds, what we see, and feel is so misleading. Peace. Hopefully life is still good in Cali.

@@EDWARD196767 Not so bad, thanks & likewise

Thank you, Bob!. That is what someone with common sense would have said!. Experienced Pilots do not proceed like fools. If you are flying in a zone, where you can not see then land on a building or somewhere safe and proceed on land. This is ridiculous, so many lives are destroyed forever by this tragic accident.

U can't say no to the mamba

Don't blame the pilot entirely. Kobe and crew could've spoken up and said no. They were just as foolish. Perhaps the pilot asked them and they gave the go ahead.

They were so close. Perhaps a special VFR should only be granted if the pilot has actually performed a land and a take a limo practice once a year. If the pilot has never landed and taken a limo because of bad weather, then they never will start unless they have already done it on an annual basis.

Bob johnson that’s easy to say looking back it. But me personally, I’ve taken risk driving in heavy fog, snow, rain where I know the chances of an accident are much higher but I took the risk thinking it’ll be fine. I’m sure he did the same.

One mistake from the pilot and 9 lives lost Same with last year emiliano sala's disappearance,pilot wasn't licensed to fly in the night and the plane has a bad track record of flying undee the influence of sleet Rip

@@adityasrivastava6428 the pilot has been Kobe's pilot for yearsssss and this is how they have traveled for yearsssss. Stop pointing fingers.

@@ThereAreTwoGenders Doesn't mean he can't something stupid?he made the decision to go ahead without probs consulting it with anyone on board I sure as hell am gonna point fingers because one mistake led to 9 deaths

The Kross this just in. Pilot’s iPhone data indicate he was swiping on tinder when they lost control

Most helicopter mishaps are a combination of human error rather than one mistake. For instance, were they late? Was he pressured to get there on time, because he had to wait 15 minutes for special VFR? Was the helicopter inspected, were the instruments calibrated, who was the Co pilot, what was the pilots experience together, have they flown the route before, and obviously... the weather

it sure seems that way. It can happen to anybody, regardless of experience.

Wolficorn Isn’t it more likely if you are deliberately flying in horrible conditions?

Doesn't leave a lot of confidence in the pilot training who I hear repported was a CFII.

Agreed..I've seen lots of video on helicopter crashes and it seems as if they get off balance then start to spiral down.

Yep, he waited too long to make the decision to turn back - the other side of the pass was probably good VFR - this type of flying is normal in Alaska , but following rivers instead of hiways. You have to practice a lot at turning around fast and relying only on the instruments. You have to go through a few of these terrifying moments- in order to get the experience. Terrible tragedy no matter where one fly's.

rip ara zobaya

Yeah for sure @Scuffzy, We wish the eternal rest to all the victims of the accident,let all of us pray for them 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

There were more than two people on the chopper you know.

LAZY DOG yeah I hate all these people only talking about kobe and Gigi

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Pieter Hartzer I also appreciated this, but it also sucks that the creator has to repeat this throughout because some people would instantly want to insult/criticize him as if he was saying it as fact. Wish he and others could just emphasize the ‘disclaimer’ once and everyone would remember it’s an opinion without scurtiny

@@chinqlinq89 , I agree with you Peter, and I also hate the fact that in these situations quite a few individuals are gearing up to say it was the Pilots fault...but this pilot has flown Kobe and his family many times and I am pretty sure he did not want the helicopter to go down for obvious reasons and did all he could to prevent it, once the situation quickly came up....I will say that if the air traffic controllers would not let the police helicopters fly, that should be for all flights....moving forward....

@@dianemccloud5990 Air traffic control did not ground the LAPD. The LAPD'S chief pilot would have been the one to do it. It was an organizational decision, not a regulatory one. Air traffic control does not give anyone permission to be in the air. That decision is up to the pilot in command of the aircraft. Per regulations: 14 CFR § 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command. (a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.

@@inglewoodwhb, Ooohhhhh, I see, I don't know if I like those rules/or regulations...and I had forgotten when they started out it wasn't dense fog...

@KZfaq User I found it very interesting. It isn't a crash investigation with all evidence available and the creator didn't pretend that it's factual when it isn't. He made every effort not to mislead people, which many people out there don't.

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Bruh, it's youtube. Everything's here. I bet if you typed in "blue rabbit licks anus of beardless santa clause", about 318 vids will pop up showing you exactly that. lol

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I searched it 🤣🤣🤣😂😂

thats what i was thinking about :/

Theres a good chance they didnt realize it and just ran into the hillside

i wonder where kobe was seated and if he had chance to embrace and comfort his daughter, guessing he sat in back along with his daughter. Hovering / circling for 15mins prob agitated the group including pilot who felt pressure get the group to the game, knowing the fog was risky.. RIP

thx steve.

And thank you for displaying the sensitivity not to monetize.

@@Wolficorntv Yes, excellent job.

absolutely

@@Wolficorntv, another way to make a video like this in the future is to simply replay the flight on the Flightradar24 app in 3D mode cockpit view.

Laday Blues I know right ?!?!?! Lol 😆

Helicopter language?

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Alberto Garcia 😁

Sgt. Jayden Eveleigh J O K E

Liberty Yes Sir💨💨💨Very well

1HAND SMOKE hi liberty can I kiss u

Liberty yes, it was!

premier entertainment tv -Yes, considering the way the terrain rises up in that area, the route looks to be dangerous on an overcast day, particularly for a pilot who was used to flying helicopters that were licensed for visual reference flights only. During his ascent to avoid the fast rising terrain, I believe that the pilot experienced rapidly deteriorating meteorological conditions. He may have tried to go above the cloud layer to recover and plan his next move, but the top of it was higher than expected and he never flew out of it. Instead, while he was in the middle of making his ascending left turn, the pilot suddenly entered a wall of blinding fog even more dense than the clouds he was trying to escape. So, instead of straightening out his ascending left turn to meet Hwy. 101’s path (his VFR plan), he continued to turn left. He went too far because, in an instant, he lost all visual reference and became disoriented. Flying from VFR to IMC is dangerous and requires an instrument only backup plan that can be implemented immediately. It appears that the pilot didn’t have one. As a result, he quickly found himself in an unrecoverable situation. Chances are high that the pilot and whoever was sitting next to him (Kobe?) are the only ones who knew that they were in a serious situation. The seconds following that realization probably felt like an eternity to those in the cockpit, but the passengers in the cabin probably didn’t know what hit them.

@@zephyrhills5620makes sense, sounds reasonable👍