Koine vs Modern Greek: An introduction / The Professor with the Bow

Koine vs Modern Greek: An introduction / The Professor with the Bow - Tie

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8 ай бұрын

Some similarities and differences between Koine Greek and modern Greek language. Introductory observations by The Professor with the Bow - Tie
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Пікірлер: 36

@vincentfernandez7328 5 күн бұрын

Your Greek intonation that is there when you speak English is beautiful.

@TheProfessorwiththeBowTie 5 күн бұрын

@@vincentfernandez7328 Thank you!! ☺️

@eudoscunha1509 Ай бұрын

Ola eu sou do Brasil. Gostei muito do seu trabalho. Parabéns. Vou continuar sempre dando uma espiadinha.

@TheProfessorwiththeBowTie Ай бұрын

Thank you for your kind words!!

@mikemcgirk9588 7 ай бұрын

I’ve been studying Koine for 8 months and would like to get away from Erasmian pronunciation. Would you recommend Kantor’s reconstructed or Zachariou’s historical pronunciation? Thank you!

@TheProfessorwiththeBowTie 7 ай бұрын

If you're studying Koine Greek for linguistic or historical purposes, you might prefer Kantor's approach. If you're interested in the musical or performance aspects of the language, Zachariou's reconstruction could be more suitable.

@iberius9937 8 ай бұрын

One thing that separates Koine from Modern Greek is this: The authors of The Gospels THOUGHT in Aramaic and WROTE In Greek, with their Greek coming off rather awkwardly with a Semitic influence in grammar (e.g. Ο Άνθρωπος ο καλός, from a phrase like האש הטוב in Hebrew, for instance).

@TheProfessorwiththeBowTie 8 ай бұрын

😯😯👏👏

@learnbiblicalgreek316 6 ай бұрын

The NT was written by a number of different authors each with his own style. Luke writes in a literary and eloquent style. The introductions to his Gospel and Acts are almost classical in style. No doubt, Greek was his mother tongue, unlike the other writers who learnt Greek as a second language. Nevertheless, Hebraisms are found in his gospel and Acts because of the nature of the subject matter. Similarly, the style of Greek used in the Epistle to the Hebrews is highly literary with a sophisticated vocabulary. For these reasons, some have speculated that Luke was the author of Hebrews. In contrast to Luke and the author of Hebrews, John and Mark write using a restricted vocabulary and short simple sentences with lots of “καί”s / “and”s. The “καί”s / “and”s are equivalent to the waw or vav conjunctive commonly used in the Hebrew OT.

@r-poko2578 9 күн бұрын

Except John he was literally a philosopher or something like that when he wrote that gospel cause he used a lot of helenisms

@user-rk7py6bf5e 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for this great content! I would like to ask a question. If someone intents to learn both Modern and Koine Greek, does the pronounciation much matter? To concentrate on modern pronounciation might be more efficient then? Or does the pronounciation transport so much more information? Would be great if you share your thoughts about it. Thanks in advance.

@TheProfessorwiththeBowTie 2 ай бұрын

Hello and thank you for your comment! Yes, pronunciation does matter, especially if you want to communicate effectively with native speakers or understand spoken Greek. But for the koine Greek the Greeks use the pronunciation of modern Greek to pronounce it. So, in my opinion it is better if you learn the modern Greek pronunciation.

@user-rk7py6bf5e Ай бұрын

@@TheProfessorwiththeBowTie Thanks a lot for your prompt answer. I will use modern pronounciation then.

@khantsal2305 4 ай бұрын

Hello professor, I studied greek (modern greek) last year and I reached some level and I tried to learned ancient greek because I'm already have some knowledge with modern greek. The hardest thing to learn about ancient greek is its have many dialects variation like attic, ionic, doric and many other. Each dialect have its own features, for example, in ancient greek, Phileo means I love in most of greek dialects but in aeolic dialects verb conjugation is very different it becomes Philemi. Ancient greek have extremely complex verbal system and nominal declensions.Believe it or not, I learn ancient greek first declension(alpha declension) and it took one month and 13 day to remember one word. 😂😂😂😂

@TheProfessorwiththeBowTie 4 ай бұрын

You are learning a very difficult language!! Even Greeks who study ancient Greek for years can't remember a lot of things... You are praiseworthy for this!! 👏👏👏👏

@geelamar3542 Ай бұрын

What would suggest for a beginner who wants to read the Bible in Greek? Would modern or ancient be better? I feel like learning I am a real language in modern. Thanks.

@TheProfessorwiththeBowTie Ай бұрын

It would be better to learn the modern Greek language first. It is a lot easier this way!! You can speak with Greeks and also you can understand the ancient language!!

@geelamar3542 Ай бұрын

Ευχαριστώ, I’m learning in baby steps.

@carlosacta8726 Ай бұрын

Yassas! Question, is it pronounced Koiné or (Kinee)? Efkaristou 🙏🏻

@TheProfessorwiththeBowTie Ай бұрын

According to erasmian pronunciation it is pronounced like koine and according to modern Greek like kinee.

@carlosacta8726 Ай бұрын

@@TheProfessorwiththeBowTie Ευχαριστώ πολύ! Επίσης, μου αρέσει το παπιγιόν σου ☺

@TheProfessorwiththeBowTie Ай бұрын

@@carlosacta8726 Ευχαριστώ πολύ! 😀

@iberius9937 8 ай бұрын

Technically, and ironically, the Koine Greek of the Hellenistic and Roman periods WAS the δημοτική of it's time, while the more florid literary Attic was like the καθαρεύουσα of it's day, the only difference being that the latter was an artificial puristic form, as you know, and the former the more "High" Koine of its day.

@TheProfessorwiththeBowTie 8 ай бұрын

Very good analogy δημοτική and καθαρεύουσα!! It seems you know a lot for the history of Greek language... 👏👏

@iberius9937 8 ай бұрын

@@TheProfessorwiththeBowTie Not as much as yourself, κυρία!

@TheProfessorwiththeBowTie 8 ай бұрын

@@iberius9937 😊

@emanuelcuciurean5855 4 күн бұрын

Για σού! Τί γνώμη έχετε για την ερασμαικης προφορά;; Γιατί φαίνεται τόσο fake. Τα ελληνικά τού Έρασμος είναι απάτη η όντος έτσι είναι τά αρχεία ελληνικά. Είμαι ρουμανος και με ενδιαφέρει πάρα πολύ για τής σπουδές μου. Απάντησε μου σε παρακαλώ. Η ερασμαικη προφορά είναι αποδεκτή από την φιλολογική κοινότητα της Ελλάδας;; Ευχαριστώ!!

@TheProfessorwiththeBowTie 3 күн бұрын

Στην Ελλάδα δεν χρησιμοποιείται η ερασμιακή προφορά. Αυτό δεν σημαίνει ότι η ερασμιακή προφορά είναι απάτη. Προσπαθεί να αποδώσει την αρχαία ελληνική προφορά αλλά δεν είναι τόσο εύκολο ούτε μπορεί να γίνει με ακρίβεια. Καλή συνέχεια στις σπουδές σου!!

@markod7662 Ай бұрын

If you are greek, one really cannot tell by your pronunciation of typical sh, g, j etc! 👍

@TheProfessorwiththeBowTie Ай бұрын

Thank you!!

@r-poko2578 9 күн бұрын

Damn it is incredible as greek speakers sounds like spaniards

@leonidtodorovski635 15 күн бұрын

They are completely difrent languages mother Greek can’t understand koine Greek period very small amount of words are the same also Slavic alphabet is made by using koine Greek alphabet which we beg the question old Macedonias used same alphabet as koine Helen language but whole different accent just like Slavic languages today they are same alphabet but most can’t understand each other

@paulrudiger2552 6 күн бұрын

How are you sure? I am Greek and I understand everything, as most my compatriots... Or you assume that I am a liar.. Greetings from Athens, Greece. By the way where you from? Don't tell me North Macedonia 😂😂

@leonidtodorovski635 6 күн бұрын

@@paulrudiger2552 no you don’t they are done who do you might be one of them but most dont understand my family comes from yanina also we have lots of land in Solun where Greek government took it from my grandparents and chased them off their own homes if you know what I mean in 1930