funny that you’re saying that when your username is kpop is a revolution, but yeah i agree

I mean some idols r literally suffering under their companies

It's a very shallow industry

K-pop is deep, It's matter of if you want to go that deep or stay on the surface haha

It is actually

or maybe they're being respectful or just want to greet them, but I agree with u

@@salt5711 yesss thats what i am saying, thank u

@@kpopfee34 lol yah, the amount of videos and comments saying idols like each other for just looking at each other for .1 seconds or greeting them is astonishing

@@salt5711 nah frfr. Its like when u do a group project with a classmate u don rlly r friends with and then everybody like: omg they r probably besties

Same goes with shipping. They’re real people, not fictional characters. For a lot of idols, their personalities on camera aren’t even their own.

Girl or boy u scaring me wid ur facts also can i add last one ur favourite member whom u think will succeed even without being in a grp by debuting as a soloist it 5 percent since being a soloist gaining attention from de audience is at low rate unless they are extremely lucky especially comparing their sucess with how they are now as a grp

@@spikeyassassination7449 I am a girl.😂. Living in Korea made me and my friend stop listening to kpop. We also attended a Korean uni and took a course on Korean society. I learned that Koreans don't think that they are racist, when they do things that the rest of the world thinks is racist. For them racism involves violence. My professor was shocked when we talked about our experience in Korea. People should know that a lot of Koreans don't like foreigners even as tourists. They will act nice while talking trash about you in Korean. And I agree with you. Idols should not go solo because the number of loyal fans are low. For example Gfriend was one of the most successful girlgroups, but now no one cares about their solo projects. Even if you have the best vocals it would not matter to the public. Solo idols need to be able to attract dedicated solo fans. For example Somi is not the best vocalist but she can attract fans. Groups are more popular because you have different people who play different roles and personalities to attract a wide range of fans

@@Dokemoni wooah am sorry for ur experience but i think black people are likely to experience racism in korea than white if ur black ur likely to be treated harshly overall being in korea how does the society see idols in general dont mind me asking

@@spikeyassassination7449 yes. People were giving complements to my white friends while I mostly received hostile looks. A friend who attended Hongik told me that during her first class the professor only spoke in Korean although the curse was supposed to be in English and told them that they were not welcome

@@Dokemoni jeeez i can feel them 😥😥 i had already knew they where racist include the chinese as well they are brothers when it comes to racism

i know them all

it's funny cause I know this but I'll be the same one clicking on the "guess who's this" "guess which idol does this" vids😭😭

I say I Stan 5 groups when I only San 2groups truly or actually know some shit about them but the other 1 ik c of a friend 2nd one I know they're names maybe don't know how to spell them but the third I don't have proper facial recognition neither proper memory of members names or faces

@@Thatbluehair this person is saying that you don't HAVE to.

Yea I don't know why I'm scared of one of my favorite groups disbanding because I would miss them but I still do t know how I'd react now and i make sure that the group has a bit of time more that a year or so, so I can Stan them

@@stayxarmyxengenexblinkxmoa BTS 😭

@@aloowalia2849 unfortunately for me it's stray kids the only have 2 years

@@stayxarmyxengenexblinkxmoa you mean contract? I think they are not going to terminate it, since they are very passionate about making music, i only stan bts but I am a casual listener of skz and they seem to have a close bond among members

@@aloowalia2849 awee! You remind me of my old days I used to Stan bts only now I'm a multi Stan my fandoms are in my name but yea I hope since I haven't experienced a group that I Stan disbanding it's pretty scary but black pink is maybe gonna disband they have amazing music and I love the girls I'm rather worried Abt them too

Ik right its really annoying

I SAID THIS ONCE and someone said “no! You need to talk about it so they can change. It happens all the time. I just want them to know I’m worried” like 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨 WHAT.

Yes.. all those videos with ' what body type does this girl groups have" or " girl groups without hip pads" constantly talking about kpop idols female body's and weight gain and weight loss and their hip pads and abs or body type or chest type is obsessive..

​@@kiki13451 Wth did they said? I don't think they know anything about body shaming😅.

Just talking about anybody's body is not helping. Like... Idk

Don't tell me they still continued to tell jisoo to rap even after she made it clear that she wasn't comfortable

@@wheresmyjams1 of fucking course they did. and its the same shit with jennie and rose too. jennie spent years training as a vocalist before she was made a rapper last minute for the group. jennie has expressed before that she wanted to sing more in bp songs and so she did but every comeback blinks would scream RAPPER JENNIE WHEN YG YOURE A RAT like? and also when rose said she was very insecure in the studio and wasnt emotionally ready for solo music and the fans COMPLETELY ignored that and kept shouting ROSE SOLO WHEN? blinks are always saying respect the girls and then are the first people to ignore the girls wishes and make demand for themselves.

That's true, I mean jisoo does like rapping a lot, but I don't think she'd be comfortable doing it regularly

Same thing with her solo. Jisoo has already said in rs that she is not sure if she want to do solo debut or not but her fans don't understand this. They think that yg has forced her to say this, so embarrassing. Sometimes I wonder that if fans actually care about their idols or not

@@kellykimbi9101 I thought she said she wanted to try a rock concept or something

The saddest part is it doesn't apply to something as inconsequential in the long run as music, I've seen people defend criminals and a political party even after everything is crumbling into pieces just because admiting they are wrong is somehow worse than supporting literal evil to them. This happens all around the world.

fr like they see someones comment thread about what a terrible person a celebrity is and jump on the hate train or needlessly defend them when they actually dont have a clue what went down

@@yvy.830 and we will never know what went down cuz we weren’t there. Especially when it involves multiple idols we like speaking for our favs acting like we know them and the situation when the only people that have a say is the idols involved

@@brenna730 fr cuz usually they have to sort it out mostly in private and the companies are so bad at letting fans know whats going on even knowing that theyre gonna speculate whats happened and add fuel to the fire

@@yvy.830 right like if something happened between an idol and another idol or a group I don’t speak for then I don’t assume anything I just let the people involved work it out cuz they actually know each other and what went down but we don’t. But it won’t change fans will baby their favs acting like they said to speak for them in a situation not about them

Considering who “Stan” was, it makes perfect sense why people who refer to themselves as such act the way they do…. They’re obsessed and think they know/own these groups/soloists. A lot of those people genuinely need help because like you said, its not that deep because it IS just music.

@@batmanlikespizza2541People need help cos they love music? That’s like saying people need help cos they’re sports fans. Maybe music means nothing to you, but for others like myself, it does mean a lot.

“It’s just music”. For you it may be. Maybe music means nothing to you but for others like me, it does.

Yeah. I think it's because K-pop is built on idols being entertainers more than being musicians and people are so used to being entertained that if a person doesn't really entertain them that much, they tend to disregard them. That's why I see K-pop as an industry more than music, because music is just a subset of what they do.

You expressed my exact thoughts. People should never forget these groups are meant to be only temporary and the chance of them becoming permanent is basically nonexistent, so if you can't handle that, then you should probably not even start stanning them in the first place.

I totally agree with this, and another thing I even thought of that people tend to forget is that kpop groups (in general) don’t last forever. Eventually groups will disband, members will leave and pursue other things or even just want to live their life like normal people which kpop fans need to remember. “Temporary groups” are essentially normal groups but their contract is just shorter. I think a lot of ppl forget about the fact that no matter what group you stan, eventually that will end and like they said in the video you have to be very mature to understand that :)

I also pretty much stayed neutral but all of those things that came out really made me think she had done something she shouldn't have done, but of course i was always against those people sending her hate because how can you hate someone for being a bully and then become a bully yourself by hurting someone with your comments? Anyway now i definitely feel sorry for her, i believe the company should have handled everything better, but they literally abandoned her and it sucks...

@@soft4taeng the way shes proven innocent now makes it even worse that hybe and source music kicked her out

@@49emy exactly, now her career is already ruined and there's probably nothing she can do

Same- though at the time the nail on the head for me was when YES said she attempted, I thought it must've made her mentality even more fragile when she got all the backlash from netizens.

@@49emy if they didn't kick her out, this situation might've still continued. I do think it's sad that garam was kicked out and that she basically lost her dream but i don't necessarily blame hybe for it, it's mostly all kpop stans fault for not staying neutral from the beginning. Yk how these people were whenever hybe gave literally any evidence and the evidence was good enough but people Just didn't wanna believe it, it was even better evidence than eunsoo's "evidence" but look who kpop stans believed. even now there are people who think garam did something to "make the svc lie" they'd most likely accuse hybe of paying the school or something.

It makes sense why they would give the member that fits the song best. Like it’s not an issue that a different idol gets more or less lines depending on if their voice fits

That was a hate comment. It's okay to be wrong but don't back track like you were innocent

@@beautifulwalrus277 true

@@beautifulwalrus277 lmao how is that a hate comment? Don’t get mad at them for believing the available evidence, they probably couldn’t know at the time that it was fake

@@Aurelian369_ which is exactly why they shouldn't have said anything. If the avaliable evidence at the time wasn't credible, the responsible thing to do would to stay neutral and not say anything. It seems like you're guilty of this as well and that's why you're upset. I imagine instead of using critical thinking or trying to examine the evidence for yourself (which if you did it would become obvious the "evidence" wasn't even real) you believed what others were spoonfeeding you. You can't just be a part of the mob mentality and then act like you were never a part of the problem.

@@Aurelian369_ thats why staying neutral is a must soojin condition

Who’s your ult group?

@@mydaychoice204 it’s epex. I know a lot of people don’t know about them but I really respect them. They are and amazing group. Who’s your ult group?

@@elinof3422 My ult group is Day6. I also like A.C.E. My username is the name of Day6’s and A.C.E’s fandom names combined.😄I like a lot of other groups, too!

@@mydaychoice204 ohhh that’s so cute that you combined the fandom names!!!! I Stan so many groups that my username would be a mile long if I tried that. But that’s super adorable!!

It's really funny, I always happen to choose my bias based on visuals. It's literally so weird. Take Ateez for an example, they're one of my ults. I saw a pic of them for the first time, I saw Seonghwa and I was immediately like "That one! That's gonna be my bias". And a couple years down the road he's my ult bias of the group but by now I'm an ot8, they and Wonho are the only artists without a single song that I dislike and when I bought my first new Ateez album I pulled two Seonghwa photo cards and was so happy that I cried. Usually when I pick my bias of a group they happen to end up being rappers in 99% of the cases. I just sniff out my rap boys every time 🤣 But what can I say, T.O.P was literally my first ever bias and is one of my ults. I'm just a rap person, apparently.

Tbh, Somi is a good soloist

@@allhere5780 thats your opinion ❣️

Somi has the potencial to be an amazing soloist. She still has some weakness when come to hold a stage all by herself which is different from her center parts in I.O.I.,but I think it's just a matter of time and practice until she improves that

Somi is a pretty good soloist

Agreed!

Exactly. Stanning is time consuming as well. So having only specific groups to stan and being a regular fan of others is a better choice. Well it depends on the person I guess.

“Stans are fans on steroids” 💀

That’s sounds like your gate keeping who can and can’t appreciate an idol and group though, like knowing about someone’s entire existence in it self Is kind of already problematic why can’t someone have a favorite, enjoy their career and want nothing but the best for them with out being any less valued on the “stan” tier list because they miss a trivia question on the idol here and there some people don’t even have that much time in the day to research every little thing, it just feels like another way for fans to divide them selves and feel superior to others in the fandom which is kind of dumb because whether a “fan” or a “stan”they both want the same thing for the idol which is success.

@@narutotrickzxtv3D bruh there's nothing wrong with being a fan...

the word "Stan" was literally invented by Eminem and it means an obsessive fan, basically a sasaeng, but with the years the word got washed a lot and now people just say they're stans when they ADORE a group

Agree , evreytime I say I don't like X idol they start telling me that I *hate* them because I'm jealous. Like WHAT?

Totally agree, i don't think there is a single group i stan where i like every single song (besides ive because they literally have only 6 songs...) But as for the other groups, i might not dislike any of their songs but there is always one track that i will skip most of the times and that's okay

I don't understand how the word stan has suddenly changed its meaning. Like everywhere but K-pop, "stan" means a person who is obsessive and overzealous about a particular person and/or a group. I have a feeling that one person started using stan in a different context and it just spread as newcomers came into K-pop.

@@ladyzebachi9365 idk how it happened either. I have an assumption where stan still does mean stalker fan in kpop but the intensity of the word is different. Like in kpop it's like when you say you've just stalked someones page. in other words, watching a group online a lot and keeping up with a lot of the things they do/latest news technically is stalking but not in a bad way. The definition people use outside of kpop is someone that follows a celebrity around and basically stalks them irl without their consent, basically a creep. I don't necessarily mind it though because to me saying "stan (group)" sounds way better than "become a fan of (someone)" or whatever they say, idk.

@@ladyzebachi9365 it's kinda like how gen-z slangs work, someone uses it and then it becomes a trend. Gen-z use these slangs but people that aren't gen-z might find it weird that the words "changed it's meaning"

@@wheresmyjams1 I am gen-z!!! I know words are always evolving like fan used to be an abbreviation of fanatics but idk. It didn't sit right with me calling myself a "stan".

@@ladyzebachi9365 Yeah as a huge eminem fan (Kind of where the word stemmed from) there is no way i could feel comfortable using te word stand, for me it means something completely different, so i just say fan or that i follow the group etc. Stan just gives me a bad taste in my mouth.

Well, luckily every post izone group and soloist is doing well in their idol career, because at the end of the day the project group is supposed to be only the beginning of your career, not your whole career itself, so i'm glad that the companies were able to manage the girls properly after the disbandment...and regarding the lightstick thing, that really pissed me off, thank god ive are soon gonna get their own lightstick

but like members of temporary groups almost always redebut. like the whole purpose of temporary groups is to build popularity and promo for the members future activities as an idol or actor after the temporary group disbands. so they are likely still going to have time to be an idol

Finally someone said it !

Like the whole underrated Jisoo thing made Jisoo more popular than Rosé then complained saying Rosé is underrated because now she is the least popular

@@szuchae fr blinks are so ungrateful

U don’t know who does or doesn’t genuinely wanna make music like they all clearly do. And them saying they want a certain award or perform on a show isn’t bad either like u guys would want the same thing they’re allowed to have those dreams and still wanna make music. And u don’t have to know how to produce to wanna be a singer as there are idols who don’t know how but still love music. Quit assuming things about them

Another K-pop truth: The majority of gg idols are severely underweight - they either have eating disorders or are forced by management/fans and media pressure to go on extreme diets and work out too much to stay so skinny. Fans trying to speak up about this are often silenced and called "haters" when they are in fact just voicing concerns for idols and criticizing a toxic industry.

You can speak on a toxic industry WITHOUT commenting on peoples bodies. I wanted to look at Wonyoung edits and all I saw were videos talking about her weight and making comparisons. As someone who struggled (and still does) with weight and eds, PERSONALLY (and I know people who can attest to this) I do NOT like people talking about my body. I’m okay with people saying things like stop trying to look like standard, there are ways to be healthy and eat etc but making comments on one’s appearance is never good. Do y’all seriously think idols look at these videos of people comparing their weight and saying they’re “worried” is going to make the idol think “hmm they’re right let me gain weight” no. It’s going to make them feel bad about themselves. ESPECIALLY in situations for instance Momo, who was forced into a bad diet. She and a lot of other idols (I think bts spoke on it Jimin maybe) speak on diets they have to follow. Seeing fans commenting on their weight when they can’t do anything about it is not going to change anything. And MAJORITY of the time with anything, eating disorders, mental disorders, addiction, it’s up to the person THEMSELVES to decide to be better. Having people constantly tell you that and commenting on it isn’t going to make them change, it’s them wanting to change for THEMSELVES it’s what’s going to make them change. A lot of the idols who are open about ed, bad dieting and weight have stated that THEY decided THEMSELVES to make a change. Not the fans pressure, not the company. I see the point you’re making this isn’t an attack, but again, you can speak on a toxic industry without speaking on someone’s body. You can say that Korea idolizes thin unnatural figures too much. You can say that it’s unhealthy and idols have fainted or become ill from bad dieting and grueling schedules. But in no way should someone get online and say “*insert idol name* looks so skinny now, she looks like she could snap in half does she eat? Korea is toxic and needs to stop the unnatural standard!” Because that’s not speaking up against toxicity, that’s being backhanded. And to state once more, and a lot of celebrities who are open have said this at least once, they struggle with body issues, no one likes when people comment on their weight especially when it’s not good (for ex telling my friend she looks good or it’s noticeable she lost weight after going to the gym and being on a healthy diet isn’t bad when she’s happy to see that people notice her progress ). That just makes people more self conscious which in turn makes the issue worse. Idk when this became a thing but it needs to stop. It’s the same as pointing out peoples flaws, no one is going to like that. And I know this is long and I just keep saying the same thing, but again it’s okay to speak up against toxicity, but there are plenty of ways you can do that without talking about someone’s body. This video was not wrong,m. It’s not staying silent. Because talking about toxic beauty standards and pointing out issues on a person are NOT the same. It’s okay to be worried about people, but if this is an issue with the idol themselves (I can only think of IU where it seemed as if she came up with the diet herself don’t quote me) it’s up to them to want to change, no amount of videos or tweets and comments can make them change their mind. It’s up to that person to want to be better. If it’s a case of the company (I see red velvet being controlled on what they eat. Maybe Sunoo and Yeonjun but I’m not sure if that’s company pressure or “fans”), you can speak out on it without talking down on an idol. Because that’s essentially what it is. Pointing out their thin legs and how “bony and stick like” their arms look isn’t showing concern, that’s just the same pointing out that an idol has crooked teeth or weird shaped eyes and trying to say it’s nice or cute. The intention isn’t bad but you’re pointing out issues that people have (unless stated they don’t have an issue with it) and that’s just going to make them dwell more on it and guess what? Not change -_-

@@kiki13451 sweetie did you read my comments... Anyway how are we gonna tackle a problem without mentioning the individuals who are both victims and perpetrators. Don't be so ignorant. Calling out unhealthy beauty standards also help potential or current victims of ED (ie kpop fans) to realize that the look they want to achieve is UNHEALTHY and DANGEROUS. I will not be silenced. I too have been struggling with EDs, kpop gave me anorexia and I almost died so your point of view is not the only one. I wish more people would have spoken up about the sick bodies of kpop back then. Anyway please reread my comments

that's true actually. even if they're not talented enough to go solo, they would be popular enough to succeed as soloists

@@phag4eva if they debuted as soloists istg they would not be even as known as weki meki or blackswan (no hate i love both these groups) or even unknown

Yoongi ??? The Man who release two mixtape with Mv, Jimin solo ll sucess boi know how to perform as for Seokjin you are right he is more into variety show

@@epiphanytae7566 jimin’s songs would be good but he won’t be able to be a singing based performer, mah boi actually strains a lot but is professional enough to hide it, cannot rap. Only thing which can lead jimin to be a soloist is his dancing skills but that won’t make him that successful. Yoongi is extremely talented, but even being a part of bts he didn’t get fame until 2018 but rest of the members did, he lacks vocal skills. (No hate to anyone)

the thing is they are so popular now they would be successful anyway, also jimin would 100% be successful he strains cuz the songs require him to go really high and sometimes out of his range , in a solo he wouldn't have to keep going so high and can sing comfortably Yoongi isn't a performing soloist but is still massively successful so I think he would be successful too.

yeah. furthermore, it's basically impossible to be as skinny as most female idols without going on extreme diets and/or working out too much in relation to how much food you eat, which in itself is a symptom of some EDs. And in fact, disordered eating is encouraged, even forced, upon many idols by their agencies. I think it's fans duty to speak up against this toxic part of the kpop industry, and we shouldn't try to silence fans who do. Insulting members or saying mean things is bad, but calling out unhealthy beauty standards or voicing concerns about idols' health is important.

@@revilivaille7861 Exactly! It's a problem in the whole of SK (I once saw a documentary or something where someone said they'd rather not eat than exercise which still shocks me to this day...). Seeing idols being so skinny and the way they eat on TV (they tend to include lots of food on screen for some reason) can also result in other people, especially younger people, wondering why they can't be as skinny while eating normally for their body so that's that too..

@@myra0224 Yes!! It's horrible - the double standards!!! They have to look like they haven't eaten a day in their life but at the same time we're supposed to believe they eat like normal people or even more! Doing mukbangs, making a point of how muuuuch they like to eat, singing about ice cream, soda, candy, dessert etc. It needs to stop, and we need to call it out.

But u don’t know if any of these idols have one or not since u aren’t their doctor or friend u can’t just label them as having one when u don’t know

@@brenna730 I never said that?? Expressing worry doesn't mean labeling them. I worried that Wooyoung wasn't eating well, I never said he had/has an ED.

Reve is very popular in sk they don’t need as much promo and don’t need to go international when they’re doing fine the way they are

Regarding your second opinion, it is true that when it comes to shipping sometimes idols do it as a form of fan service, but like you said, some stans take it too far, so much that they literally become obsessed with a ship, legit thinking the idols are dating and they will overanalyze every single action 😑 Anyway, thank you so much for liking the video!

I see where you're coming from, but i personally think Sihyeon is also pretty stable when it comes to live singing. But besides that, nowadays most groups never really sing live, so i don't think companies necessarily take stability into account when it comes to distributing the lines

im not an everglow stan and i only listen to a bit of their music, but if that is really the case, surely they should have trained the members a bit longer and wait with debut? why debut a group if only 1 member is ready in the eyes of the company?

@@soft4taeng siheon improved A LOT. She might actually be their best vocalist now on a technical level. E:U is also pretty stable, although raps are usually easier to pull off live, hers aren't long either. She pretty much always gets safe lines. Aisha, Onda and Yiren have quite a bit to improve on. Aisha especially, considering that she trained for 10years and still struggles with everything. Onda is understandable that she doesn't get as many lines and isn't as stable since she basically became their 2nd best dancer and arguably has the best stage presence, but dhe can still barelly hold a note when live. Yiren struggles even more than Aisha.... Their improvments are also the reason why the line distributions are becomming more fair

@@The3Halliwell3 aisha trained for 10years for example. They trained long, they seem to be more performance based (they are now becomming a choreography focused group based on Ladida and First). As Soft 4 Taeng already said, most 4gen groups lipsynch almost all the time, so does everglow. I guess for them having one stable member (Mia) and two semi stable ones (E:U and Sihyeon) were enough. The rest doesn't need to get lines probably, cause we can just fake that (notice how many times they lipsynch, just for Mia to actually sing the parts?)

@@multifan6679 I see, thank you very much for the reply! Hopefully they are satisfied with the lines.

yeah, saying "they're so pretty, they only need to put on some weight" is so backhanded

yeah...the moment they had a massive hit song and they started growing in popularity they suddenly turned into a threat. The way they've been treated is so disgusting and they genuinely deserve a big apology for everything they had to go through.

Well you aren't wrong though but not completely right. Woni loved by Korea it's international fans who hate her because she takeover the 4 th gen it girl title if yeji,soyeon and Karina take this title they maybe don't care that much but now the title belongs to wonyoung most of them think she is undeserving that's the main reason

All of the negative comments she receives honestly disgust me, but you know, people either love wonyoung because she's an inspiration to them or they hate her because they're jealous. Some pathetic people simply hate on pretty, talented and successful girls...

Yeah, sometimes i see some underrated groups gathering up crazy amount of views in such a little time and it baffles me considering they're not that popular and it's pretty obvious that those aren't orgainc views, but nowadays most views just come from mass streaming or ads and, like you said, likes are much more telling then views, but of course some stans will never admit that and will keep on being in denial

All idols are talented in something but everyone wants every idol to be like Beyoncé to be considered talented

Ngl she wasn't proven innocent. She just wrote a statement, I recommend we all stay neutral

@@xhstan she posted the svc documents that explained everything in detail though, it's from the school. The school would not lie about a situation like this.

@@xhstan the school committee document was released. The other girl was in for revenge. She can only make all this accusations because she is a minor and her identity will be kept in secret and she can't face any negative impact from the public unless someone leaks her identity. Garams parents said that they will file a law suit

@@xhstan watch everglow ups video called „so about garam".We always had proofs to garams innocence it’s just that most people were not invested in it and just started spreading rumors

But we can’t assume anything on how sunoo or the members feel or their intentions and relationship. We don’t know them we weren’t there only they have the right to speak on it and work things out if sunoo is in fact hurt

@@brenna730 I acknowledge what you're saying and I totally agree, but I still think it's important because when you're a global boy group, things like this don't only effect the members of a group - it effects the fanbase too. Imagine all the ENGENE's who might feel horrible about themselves or their weight after the group calls Sunoo fat (cause trust me, the majority of the their fanbase is nowhere near as skinny as Sunoo - including me). It does not send a good message to their followers that you are beautiful, no matter what you look like and they need to understand that their words have an effect on perhaps not only Sunoo but a massive wider community.