Maximum Payload Efficiency: 1601.11 tons total 591.66 tons Cargo Plane (228.66 tons without fuel) 1009.45 tons Payload 63.05% Fractional payload
Пікірлер: 333
@MattLowne4 жыл бұрын
o lawd he comin
@mateusz_04 жыл бұрын
Are you ok
@baactiba30394 жыл бұрын
Yep he is i think
@rundownpear26014 жыл бұрын
Nice seeing you here, Beene arching your videos for years now
@insertcoolnamehere9374 жыл бұрын
Oh no
@john53114 жыл бұрын
@@rundownpear2601 beene arching?
@Sqbrensbeve4 жыл бұрын
BREAKING NEWS: entire economy is in ruin after all the raw materials on kerbin have been bought by the ksp
@jmstudios4574 жыл бұрын
Plus continents are underwater due to the amount of polar ice melted
@brendanhenderson69994 жыл бұрын
And launched into space.
@baactiba30394 жыл бұрын
After kerbin is bought by the KSC
@nootaboot70424 жыл бұрын
Breaking news: gilly disappears after being entirely used on new spaceplane
@jeffvader8114 жыл бұрын
KSP: The only game where a math degree is a competitive advantage.
@professionalprocrastinator81034 жыл бұрын
Not really maths, rather engineering
@jeffvader8114 жыл бұрын
@@professionalprocrastinator8103 Bradley Whistance has a math degree, that's the joke.
@professionalprocrastinator81034 жыл бұрын
@@jeffvader811 yup but it's rather inaccurate which makes the joke not so funny anymore
@jeffvader8114 жыл бұрын
@@professionalprocrastinator8103 Oh boy bet you're fun at parties.
@jeffvader8114 жыл бұрын
@@professionalprocrastinator8103 And if we're going to be pedantic, it's not all that inaccurate. Missions like these with strict requirements require a lot of thought to be put into the mathematics of it all, drag/gravity losses, best mass ratio, etc. Half of engineering is the maths, the other half is practical application.
@ComradePhoenix4 жыл бұрын
Tsiolkovsky hates him! Get payload fractions larger than 100% with this one weird trick!
@Sednas3 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@butterflyspinart4 жыл бұрын
the most efficient way of getting into orbit is always a kraken drive
@insertcoolnamehere9374 жыл бұрын
I mean... Your not wrong
@Minecrafter68184 жыл бұрын
True
@leonidasi61704 жыл бұрын
Orbit of the sun*
@harrymack35654 жыл бұрын
@@leonidasi6170 * orbit of the galactic core
@caav563 жыл бұрын
What about Fuel Exploit Engine Array? It can have a great thrust, mass ratio and refuel other spacecraft, too!
@Mike-oz4cv4 жыл бұрын
You know it’s Bradley when a 305s I_SP engine is “highly inefficient”.
@marcustulliuscicero54434 жыл бұрын
I mean, it is. If you want pure vacuum efficiency you could use aerospikes which offer equal thrust at a much better ISP (410s) and half the mass.
@chriskerwin39044 жыл бұрын
@@marcustulliuscicero5443 I thought the aerospike ingame-stock was at 340 seconds, maybe I'm wrong, 410 would be a realistic number for hydrogen fuel in real life albeit pretty bad vaccum efficiency even for a hydrogen booster, the RS-68 which is pretty bad in vacuum still does 412 with a low expansion ratio nozzle compared to other hydrogen sustainer engines like Vulcain (430) or LE-7 (440).
@marcustulliuscicero54434 жыл бұрын
@@chriskerwin3904 Oh yes. It's 340s No idea where I got the 410s from.That would be an insanely good engine. 340s still is the tied 4th best chemical vacuum engine though, behind the 345 of the Terrier, 355 of the Cheetah and 380 of the Wolfhound. Though neither of those are really useful for normal-sized spaceplanes. The Cheetah and Wolfhound are too large, while the Terrier has horrible thrust (which means lower efficiency during ascent due to gravity losses).
@chriskerwin39044 жыл бұрын
@@marcustulliuscicero5443 If your looking for good relatively good TWR and decent vacuum performance (320) try using large clusters of Spark engines. Kerbal gravity losses tend to be quiet small though or at least compared to real life.
@robinyeah41344 жыл бұрын
Some high efficiency KSP engines are actually comparable to the main lifting engines on a Saturn V.
@Anvilshock4 жыл бұрын
Noticing the awful lack of speed stripes. Speed stripes would seriously improve upon this design. Yes.
@baactiba30394 жыл бұрын
How about putting a number on the side of the fairing???
@ricomotions54164 жыл бұрын
Baactiba definitly and than maybe add lightning bolt and flames for that extra performance
@jeffvader8114 жыл бұрын
I convinced someone that speed stripes did in fact add speed once. Say anything in a serious tone and people will believe you.
@matiastorres15104 жыл бұрын
don't forget to paint it red
@Anvilshock4 жыл бұрын
@@baactiba3039 Absolutely. A number is a must-have. And it must be two digits, with a leading zero.
@mustlovedragons80474 жыл бұрын
"I solved the problem by _putting halve the engines in front."_ *YOU ABSOLUTE MAD LAD!!!*
@tadferd43404 жыл бұрын
That docking idea is terrifying. You need to have zero roll.
@iain37134 жыл бұрын
You could add 2 other docking ports to the side I guess
@supertatze29604 жыл бұрын
@@iain3713 I tried this about a jear ago to launch a nucler powered low speed airplane (absolutuly shitty concept i know) before breaking ground came out to launch the wings alined with the main body of the plane then decopple in orbit, turn the wings about 90 degree and redock them. The problem was that i wasnt able to dock the wings to 2 docking ports to make shure the 90 degree angle becouse when the first ports were docked the 2 parts were already connected
@Zamolxes774 жыл бұрын
@@supertatze2960 Solution is to use 2 docking ports, spread wide, not 3. His design its called a split shuttle and is a very old concept, since 0.9 at least !
@superfelix50683 жыл бұрын
Imagine how nice it would be now with rotating docking ports
@zhuolixie59224 жыл бұрын
Only Bradley would allow 9m/s of Delta V left in stable orbit...
@BandanaDrummer954 жыл бұрын
Then again, roughly 85% of the mass is then gotten rid of.
@pyrosorus98809 ай бұрын
i know, he really overengineered this one
@IstasPumaNevada4 жыл бұрын
This makes my 100t payload with 600t takeoff weight look like a joke. Wow.
@gioworno3 жыл бұрын
I did a 94kg with 26.4 ton takeoff on RSS ;-; (About 9km/s delta-v in the launchpad)
@gajbooks4 жыл бұрын
You can always cheese it and say that the spaceplane IS the cargo.
@DavidJohnson-qk5zt4 жыл бұрын
Would you consider doing a tutorial on aerodynamic optimization? It's a part of the game that nobody really thinks of (besides you, of course) and would expose a more technical aspect of KSP to people working on efficient designs.
@Greippi104 жыл бұрын
Maybe there's something I'm not thinking of, but I doubt there's a whole lot to say about it. KSP's aerodynamic model is very simple, so basically thin shapes (minimal cross section into the airstream) are the most optimal. This includes limiting wing area to minimum as he mentions in the video. If you're really interested in aerodynamics I suggest the FAR mod. It simulates aerodynamics based on how the shape of the vessel changes along its longitudinal axis as well as how lift and drag change in stall, transsonic, and supersonic regions. You can also build your own cargo bays with it, for instance surrounding the cargo with wings, unlike in stock (something he also mentions in the video).
@blaztrik4 жыл бұрын
It's mostly about how to use the offset tool to minimise drag. E.g I'm fairly certain the rapier engines on this craft are connected one to the other (to occlude both attachment nodes), then moved to their final position. So the drag you get is the same as having a 59 long stack of rapiers instead of 59 separately attached rapiers, that would have an open node at least at the rear. You can also see the LV-Ns are using the engine plate i believe? which makes the drag model ignore the drag on the LV-N. Would love to hear about all the tricks Bradley used here :)
@Greippi104 жыл бұрын
@@blaztrik Didn't they remove that exploit quite a while ago? I went and did a quick test with an offset rapier and according to the aerodynamics overlay of the game the offset engine caused more drag than the one that was inline. Not sure if it translates into actual gameplay difference, but I could swear it hasn't worked for a while. Not sure what version Bradley is on here but I doubt it's that old.
@blaztrik4 жыл бұрын
@@Greippi10 It still worked in 1.7 afaik. I'll check again when I get home, but I don't think this craft would ever break the sound barrier if those rapiers produced full frontal drag.
@chriskerwin39044 жыл бұрын
@@blaztrik Keep in my mind that the structures in game are ridiculously heavy compared to real life mass fractions meaning that the lower twr of the rapiers would be offset in real life with a lighter structure?
@Bossman-bb5mi4 жыл бұрын
Laughed out loud when i saw this title!
@1BlueScreenOfDeath14 жыл бұрын
100% payload mass ssto: get it stuck up there
@1BlueScreenOfDeath14 жыл бұрын
i can see the thumbnail now, "bradley whistance fails--for science"
@CKOD4 жыл бұрын
"Listen, we called it a single stage TO orbit, no one said shit about it coming back in any of the meetings"
@UselessDuckCompany4 жыл бұрын
Glorious
@fallen47453 жыл бұрын
Hi
@jkerman51134 жыл бұрын
Eat your heart out, Elon
@HowTo114144 жыл бұрын
JKerman511 I really wish
@kerbodynamicx4724 жыл бұрын
Sadly Elon doesn’t have RAPIER or SABRE engined
@Ramschat3 жыл бұрын
We get to orbit with 9 m/s dV left... Holy Gilly, that is cutting it close!
@Derpy-qg9hn4 жыл бұрын
I believe you have successfully broken the rocket equation in its entirety.
@naomiwolf89444 жыл бұрын
And he did it with a lack of magic stripes
@raffaeledivora95173 жыл бұрын
@@naomiwolf8944 The continuous and constant thrust provided by speed stripes is very useful during takeoff, ascent and manouvers... but becomes a major issue during all other phases of the mission and on landing. Massive brakes are needed just to keep the spacecraft still if you add them
@76Eliam4 жыл бұрын
Chief engineer : How many tons you want us to put into orbit ? Bradley Whistance : Yes.
@danpettersson46714 жыл бұрын
Not reading the title too carefully, so thinking something in the vincinty of "B.W. He probably do something like Jool and all the moons using 1.125 tons" Video starts, "Wadda you mean? 1000 ton payload?" I'm most impressed, not only can you do small efficient crafts, you can do huge efficient crafts. Thank you for the entertainment, and for surprising me!
@Fenrisboulder4 жыл бұрын
i almost got my jaw open when realising how fast and low was in the last clip
@user-su3jy9el2v4 жыл бұрын
"I like min-maxing" You dont say? :D
@voyager99574 жыл бұрын
Laws of aerodynamics, prepare to be ignored!
@SoftBreadSoftware4 жыл бұрын
Hello Brad Whistance, this is Everyone
@twiexcursori4 жыл бұрын
WOuld the design be different if you were optimizing for fuel to payload instead of launch mass to payload?
@BradleyWhistance4 жыл бұрын
Yes it would! This would favour a design with a higher TWR. I considered using payload/fuel as a metric - it is more arguably more relevant for a cargo plane. The decision maker was that the fractional payload metric is more instructive for the other single stage missions I have planned.
@jeffvader8114 жыл бұрын
@@BradleyWhistance If you were to do this in real life, I think it would be a better metric, because for reusable launch vehicles fuel cost becomes one of the limiting cost factors.
@therealspeedwagon14513 жыл бұрын
This would be perfect for a single launch space station or Eve base complete with return craft!
@GoSlash273 жыл бұрын
The one thing that stuck out to me immediately was you had no static incidence on the wings. If you can get through the 320-390 m/sec Mach barrier with the nose pointed precisely prograde, you need a lot less thrust. Less thrust means fewer engines, less fuel to feed them, and less structure. I have made large SSTO tankers with initial takeoff acceleration as little as .32G. While they weren't optimized for payload fraction (I'm all about the Benjamins), they were still very respectable in that regard.
@KrazyKaiser3 жыл бұрын
I really like how technical your videos are.
@MoominCox4 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to see what you'll do with ksp2...
@harrymack35654 жыл бұрын
Just imagine him and Scott Manley colabing using the multi player.....
@dustintaber4 жыл бұрын
Still making the best KSP videos out there man
@CapsCtrl4 жыл бұрын
Bro I love all your videos please never quit💜💜🖤🖤
@Pacca644 жыл бұрын
I got so happy to see you upload ^w^
@jonne77254 жыл бұрын
Having no yaw control seems like a quick way to spin
@Modemus694 жыл бұрын
thats pretty beast man, nicely done!
@___aaron.m79304 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe that landing actually went kinda smoothly
@thatgpu2 жыл бұрын
Bradley: launches 1000 tons to orbit Me: happy to launch 10 tons to the Mun
@lawriebeckett78054 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you back brad
@suricatakat64764 жыл бұрын
I'm still on baby steps compared with your skill, Bradley, so I don't have anything to suggest that would be of value. Awesome and fascinating work, though!
@KertaDrake3 жыл бұрын
Well that's a cool approach. Just wish real life space travel was this easy.
@heckinmemes64304 жыл бұрын
Absolute UNIT.
@seniorslaphead83364 жыл бұрын
From someone who has made a lot of spaceplanes... that's actually a genius solution.
@kevinrdunnphs4 жыл бұрын
This doesn't even seem possible. Great job
@MrKillJoy2003 жыл бұрын
Imagine flying this into an influence of Moho, that would be absolutely mental.
@skier3404 жыл бұрын
Very well done!
@Cenourafnord4 жыл бұрын
Não consigo imaginar nada que melhore o que já é para mim praticamente perfeito. Muito criativo colega, seus vídeos são sempre inspiradores. Abraços.
@lucywucyyy4 жыл бұрын
recently i tried dividing all the wings relative area by their weight to figure out which wings have the best lift to weight ratio so i could build the loftiest plane i could, i found the tiny winglet with the yellow stripe is the most efficient, if you used those winglets for all your non steering wings you could save a little bit of weight, dunno if it would be worth doing but its something
@rainbowhyena13544 жыл бұрын
Shuttle wings have free integrated fuel tank. So they are more efficient.
@lucywucyyy4 жыл бұрын
@@rainbowhyena1354 didnt think of that
@tmisterhett64074 жыл бұрын
Great video man keep it up
@JYF9214 жыл бұрын
Well done!
@nathanielpribyla48014 жыл бұрын
Yay new video Keep it up!
@pontuswendt24864 жыл бұрын
AMAZING idéa!!
@vali694 жыл бұрын
I now wonder how big will you be able to make something in ksp... cause thats one thicc ssto boi
@XavierBetoN4 жыл бұрын
The Scott Manley Force is strong with this one..
@BrenBrenMartin4 жыл бұрын
Solid rocket boosters to shorten the takeoff distance.
@MarcoTheGreat20084 жыл бұрын
That's not an SSTO, assuming you dump the boosters after takeoff.
@Khalrua3 жыл бұрын
i love how the CC changes 'apoapsis' to 'Apple abscess' loool
@epopeedelabaleine74434 жыл бұрын
Your SSTO is amazing, so i need to upgrade mine, la Baleine
@flyingsalmons9344 жыл бұрын
Hi
@AdamSchadow4 жыл бұрын
To answer your question how to dramatically improve that SSTO just add some heat protection the simplest one is the tiny ball shaped monoprop and put it just in front of the tip of your craft. That way your craft becomes much easier to land and you can also use different ascend profiles. Offsetting your wings can also help a lot by making the SSTO more stable and therefore loose less deltav for corrections.
@jasonwright16874 жыл бұрын
You can do this...: Make booster rocket that is equal parts fuel and oxy, put high power thrusters such as mammoth types and do the move/adjust until you have about 8 of them in one supertight cluster. That on a huge airfoil with a port coupler and break away boosters to ensure it helps pull a heft craft up and get up to altitude and velocity without taking off the tail. That can be calculated as to how much extra lift and thrust it will provide and for how long. Based on that, you can theoretically add more mass to the payload.
@BlindingLight4 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know you could for 1000 tons of stuff into that little tube of space
@andreweaston17792 жыл бұрын
Impressive
@RAFMnBgaming4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like what you have is a spaceplane train.
@HieronymousLex4 жыл бұрын
This is quality
@RefrigeratedWaffles23 жыл бұрын
The orbital blimp
@planespeaking4 жыл бұрын
Kerbal Space Command has done this. Split shuttle
@Theodwin14 жыл бұрын
Nice
@wenkeli14094 жыл бұрын
This is amazing. 63% fraction payload is more efficient than any of the modern transport aircraft out there, which are already considered really efficient. Would you consider trying the same thing with a realism scale mod or something, to see what kind of efficiency you can get with Earth?
@dbneptune3 жыл бұрын
The oddity by bill
@blaztrik4 жыл бұрын
Impressive as always! :) Wouldn't using wing streaks be more efficient than the big wings? More "free" LF space for the same mass in wing area. Did the big wings already hold more LF than you required and you just went for the wing area or was it a part consideration? Also a follow up, because I can't count the wings exactly. What is the ton/wing area, seems to be ~36 wings there, so ~8.5t/m2?
@BradleyWhistance4 жыл бұрын
Wing strakes are indeed superior. I used these as part count reduction
@flyingsalmons9344 жыл бұрын
When you transcend in ksp
@DeetotheDubs4 жыл бұрын
My only disappointment is that this didn't show up in my recommended sooner. Nice plane. Also nice that Lowne can be found in the comments. Kerbalnauts united. Now where's Scott Manley with his version?
@uknowngamer10174 жыл бұрын
I cant even make one that doesn't have cargo lmao
@downey22944 жыл бұрын
4 tiny fuel tanks 1 spark engine a probe core with the lowest mass and a nose cone should do it
@flyingsalmons9344 жыл бұрын
I can just
@user-oz4eb8et2w3 жыл бұрын
thats a big ass boa
@jamesmnguyen4 жыл бұрын
Hmm I have 10+ videos I need to watch/catch-up....Na Bradley comes first.
@darkshadowsarmy99224 жыл бұрын
Mooooore boosters
@___aaron.m79304 жыл бұрын
The amount of fuel on this thing is insane
@Breeze9544 жыл бұрын
You're a wildman. Team crash landing on mun here.
@kerbonaut20594 жыл бұрын
Extreme chonk
@conker6904 жыл бұрын
Looks like a drunk penguin
@freevbucks80193 жыл бұрын
Apparently keeping intakes open reduces drag
@emilbecker89703 жыл бұрын
I cant even make a tiny spaceplane that carries no payload
@snububub4 жыл бұрын
Now take it to all jools moons
@neolexiousneolexian60793 жыл бұрын
Biplanes are so last-century. /Makes septa-plane with wings directly behind engine exhaust.
@SFSAtlas4 жыл бұрын
Who's gonna need an anotonov 225 in space
@Void-in2pz4 жыл бұрын
Ohh, where is your old microphone ?
@johnrivers59344 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry to doubt, but what's the velocity jump between 6:54 and 6:56 about? Your the skills and designs behind these craft amaze me. I consider myself 'gud' at this game, but you continue to remind me how much there is to learn. Thanks Bradley!
@johnrivers59344 жыл бұрын
Looking at 6:54 in more detail, mechjeb says you're orbit apoapsis and periapsis are both above 70km. It also says you have nine meters per second left. But the next clip shows you at the same altitude, with a periapsis about 6 meters lower, and 12 m/s. Explain please?
@Swagaito_Gai4 жыл бұрын
He switched the velocity indicator from surface velocity to orbital velocity. The surface velocity is less because it's the plane's speed relative to the surface that is already rotating at nearly 200m/s in the same direction as the orbit.
@danielcarney78734 жыл бұрын
He undocked from the rest of the craft. Less dry mass means more delta V.
@BradleyWhistance4 жыл бұрын
@@johnrivers5934 The change in velocity is due to a different frame of reference. Surface velocity is measured relative to the surface of Kerbin (which is rotating), orbital velocity is relative to the center of the planet. The minor change in periapsis is due to the small amount of impulse from the decoupling.
@johnrivers59344 жыл бұрын
@@BradleyWhistance So a simple change then, my mistake. And of course the six meters from your periapsis and 3 to delta-v are basically negligible.
@NickyLunaLove3 жыл бұрын
wow
@roguespac3man7323 жыл бұрын
Why is there a fuel tank clipped into the faring on the high mass test? I don't recall seeing that before takeoff.
@kerbodynamicx4724 жыл бұрын
So far I only managed to build a spaceplane that bring itself up to orbit... not with payload nearly twice as it’s mass, not much payload at all. If it’s stock and engines have limited Isp for me that 1000 tons will be fuel tanks
@wheelie-z10433 жыл бұрын
That one THICC BOI
@bbgun0614 жыл бұрын
When you say you're out of oxidizer you have 98k left. Is that part of the payload? Edit: I misunderstood the part where you replaced the ore containers with fuel tanks...
@BradleyWhistance4 жыл бұрын
=) As an aside, 98k oxidizer is 490 tons!
@petabyt4 жыл бұрын
Chuck Norris can drop kick a payload to orbit
@kspmissions93144 жыл бұрын
oh ok then sir
@s19tealpenguin614 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to reduce fuel weight by using a stock propeller? Also, maybe you can use srbs and detach them after deploying parachutes.
@TlalocTemporal4 жыл бұрын
Then it's not an SSTO.
@TristanPopken4 жыл бұрын
Yea the challenge is no staging, a propellor would accelerate this thing fast enough so it would just be useless weighr and bad earodynamics
@jamesburleson19164 жыл бұрын
@@TristanPopken Aerodynamics wouldn't be hit too hard. Optimizing props means that at their max possible speed, they are just a few degrees from being at 0° AOA, so designing a prop that will have low drag past it's useful speed isn't too hard. The real issue is that props are only good to ~270m/s and are dead weight after that. Getting off tehe runway quick is nice, but are you saving fuel? (I didn't do the math so that's a legit question.)
@dumpsterbonfire.4 жыл бұрын
humongous bruh moment
@harkinsaquatics4 жыл бұрын
Could you deliver additional mass in the nose cone to balance out the craft more?
@eriktruchinskas37474 жыл бұрын
1:00 Jesus he turned into bill burr for a second
@merylschultz92344 жыл бұрын
Keep the whole plane in orbit, then you have a 100% fractional payload
@BradleyWhistance4 жыл бұрын
Plane mass includes fuel =)
@sebastiaomendonca14774 жыл бұрын
So this single SSTO is enough to carry my absolute heaviest rocket into orbit fully fueled?
@normalhuman78-533 жыл бұрын
Sebastião Mendonça *laughs in 20 kiloton orbital fuel depot*
@saligator88794 жыл бұрын
Just add *MOAR BOOSTERS* 🤣
@divegabe4 жыл бұрын
Numbers wise, this is supremely impressive. Practicality wise, no one is going to design a 1000t spacecraft/station as a small thin tube... ok maybe I should say most instead. Can you please show how heavy a ring station it can lift in one run? One whose ring is too wide for a faring as I paid around 450k in mostly fuel costs (and inaccurate landing losses!) for 2 runs hauling a 360t ring station with reusable rockets for my career mode. For a job that paid like 110k haha.
@BradleyWhistance4 жыл бұрын
Bulkier, lighter payloads would favour a steeper ascent. If the payload is bulky enough, a vertical launch may be ideal.
@divegabe4 жыл бұрын
@@BradleyWhistance Ok makes sense. How about putting a spaceship/rocket into orbit with stupid amounts of delta V in 1 run? I love the way you split the hauler in 2 parts, would love to see it's actual real use capability.