Kurt Rosenwinkel Guide Tones Concept (Jazz Guitar Lesson 94)

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Mikko Hilden

Mikko Hilden

4 жыл бұрын

I couldn't find the Gdansk clinic video I mention. It seems to be removed?
Previous videos on guide tones
• Stella By Starlight an...
• It's You or No One - C...
• Guide tones on Autumn ...
• Jazz Guitar Lesson #4 ...
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@JGCanning
@JGCanning 4 жыл бұрын
Here is the Gdańsk clinic video on the use of 3rds and 7ths on B&S. Good stuff, this! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bsp2pa6rtbqpfZs.html
@Mikkokosmos
@Mikkokosmos 4 жыл бұрын
There it is!
@JGCanning
@JGCanning 4 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for your lesson this!
@MrJackTrades
@MrJackTrades 4 жыл бұрын
Is this your video? Seems to have been set to private. :(
@carlospellot2426
@carlospellot2426 4 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy watching your videos. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and process. Very honest!
@nicktardifbass7
@nicktardifbass7 4 жыл бұрын
That video of the masterclass was inspiring!
@wobamusic
@wobamusic 4 жыл бұрын
Great content...the simpler the better..just like italian cooking...I saw that clinic with Kurt Rosenwinkel too and it amazed me...and also Bill Frisell's statement that sometimes just the root is enough with the melody... kind regards from Germany
@williamstanford7994
@williamstanford7994 4 жыл бұрын
Great lesson, Mikko. very useful stuff.
@MartinMillerGuitar
@MartinMillerGuitar 4 жыл бұрын
I dug this, great food for thought. Also especially liked you did it all in one go and dared to figure stuff out on the spot.
@Mikkokosmos
@Mikkokosmos 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. There is a little bit of editing, though. To be honest 🤓
@waynerice2484
@waynerice2484 Жыл бұрын
Another great lesson, clearly presented. Thanks very much.
@jimkangas4176
@jimkangas4176 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Mikko - outstanding lesson! I really like the M7 thing, but I haven't thought of using them this way. Lots of new things to try. I would LOVE to see you follow up on your "too excited" part on adding contrary motion that you alluded to near the end.
@hughmanatee7433
@hughmanatee7433 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff! When the melody note is one of the guide tones I often play the other guide tone on the fifth or the sixth string. It is surprising how your ear fills in the rest. It is something about having more than an octave between the two notes, kinda like when you play tenths. Also they are pretty easy to finger so you can do it quickly if you need to.
@abrahamlife
@abrahamlife 4 жыл бұрын
Great lesson...for my favorite tunes!
@sockenfrank
@sockenfrank 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful.Thanks for sharing.
@JoshBeetler
@JoshBeetler 4 жыл бұрын
beautiful playing mikko!
@Mikkokosmos
@Mikkokosmos 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@anwyllonmusic
@anwyllonmusic 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Joshua
@GuillermoLowe
@GuillermoLowe 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome. I save this for deeper study.
@tradingwithwill7214
@tradingwithwill7214 2 жыл бұрын
Godin guitars from Canada 🇨🇦 as well :) my teacher Ralf Buschmeyer studied with Lorne Lofsky in Ontario.
@insidejazzguitar8112
@insidejazzguitar8112 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent thank you! Love your videos. Check out Jimmy Raney’s Just Friends from the album Momentum. He illustrates a lot of the points you make here. His three note voice leading using ninths has taught me a whole new level of voice leading. I never fully appreciated all the extensions until I started looking at them for their functions in voice leading.
@JazzGuitarScrapbook
@JazzGuitarScrapbook 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video! I’ve been thinking a lot about this recently, not really from the Kurt perspective but because Lage Lund and Pasquale Grasso use very similar types of shell intervals. I think in the latter case it relates to Bud Powell’s left hand shell voicings. I’ve heard Barry Harris play them too....
@JazzGuitarScrapbook
@JazzGuitarScrapbook 4 жыл бұрын
There’s also a great Ethan Iverson blog where he lists all the pianists who double the root in the left hand. Basically it’s everyone who isn’t Bill Evans. Ah, jazz education! Lies and shortcuts....
@joshuamarks1129
@joshuamarks1129 4 жыл бұрын
👍👍I love those spread voicings! A great tune I like to use for Voice leading practice is "Two for the road", the harmony is fundamentally straightforward and simultaneously very rich.
@Mikkokosmos
@Mikkokosmos 4 жыл бұрын
Cool I don't know that tune gotta check it out!
@joshuamarks1129
@joshuamarks1129 4 жыл бұрын
Mikko Hilden 😊You'll likely recognize it from Metheny/Haden's "Beyond the Missouri Sky". "Dreamsville" is another harmonically epic Henry Mancini tune that doesn't get enough attention
@Mikkokosmos
@Mikkokosmos 4 жыл бұрын
@@joshuamarks1129 oh then I have heard it 😀
@joshuamarks1129
@joshuamarks1129 4 жыл бұрын
Mikko Hilden 👍And I'm certain you'll enjoy Adrien Moignard's version m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qrZjpsebld2rk6M.html
@jimkangas4176
@jimkangas4176 4 жыл бұрын
@@joshuamarks1129 That is a nice version.
@petejeb3162
@petejeb3162 4 жыл бұрын
rosenwinkel is musical first. jazzy second. what he does sounds simple. but its fluid. and beautiful. he meanders in and out of harmonic ideas one should weep over.
@DovidM
@DovidM 4 жыл бұрын
I think that the advice to use guide tones (3rds and 7ths) may be of use to beginning improvisers who otherwise might just play roots and 5ths. The advice given to a beginner isn’t necessarily appropriate to an intermediate player, however. An intermediate player should put guide tones aside and concentrate on developing skills in voice leading. At one point, I thought improvisation meant the ability to throw in a reharm on the fly (that is, I would get to the point where I picked the right color chord for that moment). Working out voice leading for a song seemed like just making something to fall back on in case I couldn’t think of something better. I now see things differently. Working out voice leading for different songs results in skills that are transferable to other songs, and that results in a more coherent solo.
@Shuzies
@Shuzies 4 жыл бұрын
California USA
@everythingstand7278
@everythingstand7278 4 жыл бұрын
great guidetone lesson pls consider doing an 「pensativa」episode
@Mikkokosmos
@Mikkokosmos 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes that's a tricky one!
@johnpino5999
@johnpino5999 4 жыл бұрын
When I encounter a melody note that is a guide tone I often play the other guide tone an octave down to give space and harmonic context\ clarity.
@Mikkokosmos
@Mikkokosmos 4 жыл бұрын
That's a good idea
@Samuelee97
@Samuelee97 4 жыл бұрын
Voice leading! makes every wrong chord sound right
@JGCanning
@JGCanning 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, what are you plugged into? Great tone! Lots of reverb? Delay?
@Mikkokosmos
@Mikkokosmos 4 жыл бұрын
An Tanglewood amp, Red Repeat analog delay and Boss digital reverb
@JGCanning
@JGCanning 4 жыл бұрын
Mikko Hilden what kind of nylon strings do you use on your Godin? How frequently do you need to replace them? I find on my Godin Multiac that my D string loses tone quickly and becomes a “dead zone”. I’ve had two of these guitars and the same issue with both. Thanks.
@Mikkokosmos
@Mikkokosmos 4 жыл бұрын
@@JGCanning hmm I haven't had that problem 🙄 I usually use D'addario and how often I change depends on how much I'm playing on it.
@eternalrainbow-cj3iu
@eternalrainbow-cj3iu 4 жыл бұрын
thinking in consequent numbers(of inherent intevals) is very close to Bach(or Haendel). recently I found sketches of Bach what he used, the so called cifered bass, befor composing he made harmonic practices where certain intervals were isolated, no different than what you did...
@Mikkokosmos
@Mikkokosmos 4 жыл бұрын
Yes I remember that from music school.i think it's called "generalbas" over here.
@andymacatack
@andymacatack 4 жыл бұрын
Ed bickert, Lorne lofsky Lenny breau, they're all Canadian for some reason 🇨🇦lol
@Mikkokosmos
@Mikkokosmos 4 жыл бұрын
😀👌
@DovidM
@DovidM 4 жыл бұрын
Ed Bickert said that he paid close attention to Stan Kenton’s orchestrations. I assume that this may have informed his use of voice leading.
@pedromrls6
@pedromrls6 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I couldn't understand the names (english is not my native language) but Lenny Breau's
@andymacatack
@andymacatack 4 жыл бұрын
@@pedromrls6 no problem. Check these players out! They all have a monstrous command of voice leading / comping. And they are all from Canada land ;)
@antoniocaruso5169
@antoniocaruso5169 2 жыл бұрын
I definitely didn't agree with many things in this video. I don't think Kurt's purpose of this exercise was that of breaking the rules of "not playing the root" or "always play the 3rd and 7th of the chord". Those rules indeed do not apply to solo guitar playing, which is where kurt is applying this exercise. I think the idea behind this exercise is that by dividing each chord into two parts (1,7 and 3,5) you can have a more counterpoint-based approach to comping and a more organ-sound in it, but more importantly you can get to know the tune a lot better than you normally would do, exploring the changes in each section of the instruments. In the clinic Kurt says that many people who think they know a certain standard don't know it at all, and then he explains some of his exercises through which he gets to understand the standards to his level.
@Mikkokosmos
@Mikkokosmos 2 жыл бұрын
I'm confused 😄 I am playing a Gmin with a 13th in the melody. And you're saying you disagree with that? How does that work?
@antoniocaruso5169
@antoniocaruso5169 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mikkokosmos Ok I just noticed it's a Gmin9 with the 13th on top. My bad, I was too focused on the min9 sound and it sounded different to my ears, I'm used to play just Gmin with the two voices on top (minor 3rd and major6th) having a tritone distance between each other, while with the Gmin9 you have a perfect fifth (A-E) which personally I didn't love. But apart from that I still think the other things I said in the previous concept and I believe there is a kind of a misconception goin on
@antoniocaruso5169
@antoniocaruso5169 2 жыл бұрын
I mean I liked the thing you said about chord voicings and that kind of stuff. Triads, shell voicings and triad inversions and so forth are not often used by jazz musicians, which too often prefer to use complex-sounding extended chords and do not care about voice leading. Totally agree on that, sometimes the simple sounding chords can be the most interesting and even a root and seventh or a third and fifth can be "enough" for the ear to understand the harmony. But I think the purpose of the whole thing was to get to know the tune better. I mean indeed it can be used in a jazz guitar solo situation, but it doesn't necessarily have to clash with the more "vertical" view of the mainstream jazz musicians. I hope I explained what my point was
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