I appreciate that. I'm glad you dig it a little more. Right now, the mandalorian is my jam tbh haha

That's a sign of someone willing to learn. I didn't understand everything about the ST, but I watched positive reviews/takes on them and although I loved both movies from the start, I love them even more now.

Stand alones with the og characters.

@@ATATChat I agree with him, I hated the Last Jedi duel and new view it in such a different light that it is one of my favorite ones. Please keep this series going!

I was about to post exactly that man. You do change my perspective. Because of your videos I always end up watching the movies again and falling in love with Star Wars once more...and for some reason I always get some lesson from this videos man, something I can take within for my life. Seriously, thank you man!

Woah! Incredible, both the storytelling and your attention to these details, thanks for pointing that out, it's new to me.

Well, Lor San Tekka was someone unrelated to him. Han Solo, on the other hand, was his father.

Well he wasn't raging anymore after killing his father. Since rage fuels sith powers he also wasn't as strong. As a sith he was almost seduced to the light by his father.

That's actually brilliant. Everyone including myself focuses on just the coolness of that blaster bolt being stopped, so I've never thought about it in this context before.

Co-co Gorman kylo isn’t a sith!

I love you

You were in a mood to show her your *other saber* ? 😜😜😜

@@HUDJ0679790 oh my.

Hey, there's this guy named Jacen looking for you. He seemed pretty p*ssed, kept shouting about "Ripping off" or something.

@@CyberController- lol

Yeah pretty much

Exactly

Yep

Your logic has no place on a star wars thread. MARY SUE!!!!

@@SkySoFew JJ Abrams: "It's not an accident that Rey is unnaturally gifted"

In TFA he was bleeding out too so... theres that

I don't think this is a good excuse. Lack of any real stakes is one of the things that robs the lightsaber fights of the sequel trilogy of any meaning or suspense.

@@drumdriven18 It's the same reason Luke survived the Empire Strikes Back. Vader didn't want to kill his son and was also trying to recruit him.

Matt C except he lost his hand and was about to be killed in revenge of the sith

well... In ROS he was going to kill her but Leia stopped him

Absolutely

@Inheritor_Ghost Kylo unlike Vader at the point in time was emotionally unstable Kylo just killed his father 10 minutes prior and was incredibly injured

@Inheritor_Ghost But Luke lost because he was arrogant. Kylo was the arrogant in this case.

Michael Hewitt-Clarke if kylo wanted to he would have

@@erickchajon5049Rey picks up a lightsaber for the first time

Kimi Skywalker I completely agree, although I am very biased

I wished Kylo and Rey switched stances immediately cuz this moment made him feel like he's not a good villain, Thanos didn't have to be weak to be sympathetic

@fantasticmoose both were meant to be the new Vader in terms of impact and it's Thanos who succeeded, and he's not a warlord, he's a man with motivations who grows and removes more pieces of armor as the story progresses and we get to see him show signs of weakness and humanity like how he cried when he killed Gamora, he didn't even threaten the heroes, he just did what he had to do, tried to make them empathize with him, he didn't even attack Dr Strange, but when a fight comes, he becomes the galaxy's big monster, he actually did get slightly defeated on Titan with even Spiderman, the most "human kid" out of all Avengers almost taking out the gauntlet but the movie ends with Thanos still being an imposing threat that scares our heroes who failed, Kylo on the other hand wasn't built up like that, there are no stakes for our heroes, Rey beat him and we know she'll eventually do it again, this is the generic villain will eventually lose story therefore it would've been more beneficial if Ben realized after Han's death that the dark side isn't the right path for him and then stuff in the story happen that culminate in his redemption halfway through the trilogy while Rey is seduced to the dark side prematurely and at the final fight we don't know who will survive or who will be in which stance in the Force, this creates more stakes than what we got, we don't even dive into Ben's motivations to understand his failure, right now we just see him as a failure, Rian did nothing with the risk that JJ took by making Rey beat Kylo, all we got was Snoke bullying Kylo

@@darthtroller Ben isn't the new Vader, the point of his character is that he's the anti Vader or anti Anakin. When Anakin turned to the Dark side he was completely able to kill that old part of himself and become Darth Vader without any conflict or morals (other than his change of heart at the last 5 min. of his life.) Now Ben is someone who wants very much to be Vader, so he wears a mask to hide his true self and try to be like his grandfather. But no matter what he does he's unable to escape the pull to the light, the conflict, or let go of being Ben Solo. That's literally the point of his character.

@fantasticmoose those are traits of a protagonist not an antagonist. How can a villain be threatening if he's tripping over his own insecurities

Yeah, that thing was one shotting storm troopers Kylo just has robes, bowcaster woulda smashed him

Doesnt pain make dark siders more powerful tho? That's why he's pounding his chest.

@@MR-ld3ry yeah, but this is Star Wars, it's a known fact pain makes darksiders stronger. Considerably.

@@AlexSciChannel It's more like emotional and mental pain, not physically...... He's drawing on the pain of both, but obviously he's still held back physically and his face shows it, he isn't Wolverine. He's still stopped by a shoulder stab, and a slash to the face by Rey.

@@Deagnetic I mean he was just forced to kill his dad. That's plenty emotional pain to draw the dark side from. And actually it's also physical. That's why the most powerful with lords are almost always deformed in some way.

Exactly. It's odd that folks want her to die tbh.

AT-AT Chat Who said Rey had to die from a tree.

Vader beat Luke because Vader is taller therefore he had the high ground

@@OoXLR8oO All the hating Star wars ,,Fans"

Yes

Saying that her experience with her staff makes her good at fighting with a light saber is bull shit, even a double bladed light saber is nothing like a staff, (Because you can only hold the middle of course) but you have to agree that it would have made her stronger.

I think she would do best with that kind of lightsaber that is used like a spear (I forgot the name)

Springboarding off this, there is also the thought that the Force is sentient in a way, and the theory is that it craves balance, which is another reason it allowed Rey to be able to fight off Kylo. They were always meant to be equal opposites, which is supported a little bit by Snoke's statement about his apprentice having an equal in the light rise up to meet him. No way to know the exact truth, but an interesting consideration.

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You are so right. I love how music plays a huge role in foreshadowing and connection building. Music by itself tells a story and you see that throughout the Star Wars saga. John Williams is an absolute genius!

Holy shit, THIS.

Bro I completely agree. I'd find them decent movies if they didn't mess with some of the lore I love so much. I promise I would adore these movies. Everything is beautiful, and acted better than any of the previous movies. But messing with lore just can't allow me to love it

Hey, with all due respect, this is fantasy. So new things should not be considered inconsistent with lore, because magic can be anything. And this takes place after the other movies, so it does not change any already pre existing backstory

Hey, with all due respect, this is fantasy. So new things should not be considered inconsistent with lore, because magic can be anything. And this takes place after the other movies, so it does not change any already pre existing backstory

Hey, with all due respect, this is fantasy. So new things should not be considered inconsistent with lore, because magic can be anything. And this takes place after the other movies, so it does not change any already pre existing backstory

Like the Rey and kylo vs the guards scene the last jedi

O Chain yep

O Chain that scene is literal garbage lmao

@@CowKneess how so?

True Gaming they’re plenty of videos analyzing the fight scene and it’s really lazy and not well put together. Search up a analysis on the fight and you’ll see.

Yes. I remember when some people expected him to be a worse person than Darth Vader and complained about him afterwards. But the whole point was that everything he did to make himself stronger in the dark side only made him weaker. That he could never live up to his grandfather’s legacy

According to Wooikiepedia, he's a focal point in The Force between Light and Dark. That's why he's so torn and conflicted. The Force is literally playing tug of war with him. The Rise of Kylo Ren comics even makes a reference to this.

Snoke: _"You are unbalanced! Bested by a girl who had never held a lightsaber!"_

@Inheritor_Ghost in a sense, but he's still bleeding out, like he's not just in pain he's actually dying and he's using that dark side strength to actually stay alive and function. It's not a little flesh wound, it blew people up and inialted them. Yes the pain makes him stronger that's why he beats it, but he needs to focus on that pain to not keel over.

@Inheritor_Ghost Yes but isn't that the whole thing with Kylo Ren, that he isn't fully dark, even if he was trying to be. He thought killing his father would make him powerful, but since he was never truly dark it weakened him.

@Inheritor_Ghost Kylo isn't a real Sith, he probably thinks he is but I think it's pretty obvious that he really he isn't. Also I don't think pain makes Siths become stronger, anger does. He doesn't beat his own wound to feel more pain but to prevent blood from being trapped in his chest cavity because this could lead to his lungs collapsing or his heart being compressed

@Inheritor_Ghost only to a certain point, otherwise anakin on Mustafar would have beaten obi wan once he got his legs cut off.

@Inheritor_Ghost in a way yes but by that logic Anakin should’ve became a god when Obi Won chopped off his limbs and he was set on fire.

Dude I'll never get over my TFA experience. Me and my buddy had the theater to ourselves.

@9752matt Who upset you?

9752matt lol your comment was really funny to read. Thanks for the entertainment

That’s why I love Rey. She may be OP but she’s very relatable as far as being in a new world she don’t understand. We all know this feeling and can relate to it. I cried at this moment as well as many others. Star Wars Episode 7 was like a religious experience for me, personally.

Please make more of these videos.

I gotta say, this video gave me a much better appreciation for this duel, but more importantly, for JJ's screwing with us. I've avoided all speculation and spoilers for Rise, but you've given me some actual tension in thinking about how these characters will develop. Thanks!

Shhh they want to keep the Reylo thing relevant.

@@TXNIZ xD

EXACTLY! How can someone miss this?

I actually forgot that point.

That he did!

At what point did this happen? Before he says he wants to be his teacher, before he says he'll teach her about the Force, or after the Force comment?

Miss Lady It’s the first thing he says after he gets her to the edge of the cliff. It’s sort of a view from behind him and from the side. You have to slow it down to catch it. Some people who read lips noticed it. There’s a whole blog post somewhere about all the things Kylo said that we’re under his breath but when it’s pointed out, you can see it. Apparently they took it out so you would think Kylo really did want to kill her.

Valid. I still wonder if he's skilled but compared to Obi Wan he's a "novice". That's sort of my Outlook? Maybe I'm being too harsh.

AT-AT Chat I wouldn’t even say he’s a novice compared to obi wan. According to the official guides he should be very much on his level. You might be unfairly comparing the choreography between the films. Each trilogy has a different way of showing their duels. By your logic TPM obi wan is leagues beyond a new hope obiwan in saber skill just simply by the way the duels appeared, which isn’t true at all. As well as saying Luke skywalker himself is a novice when he held his own with Darth Vader, arguably one of the most gifted duelist in the history of Star Wars. Love your video though. Not trying to hate just wanted to join in on the debate.

gallant duke well luke WAS a novice. Darth Vader never wanted to hurt luke as it was his main goal to recruit him but had he wanted to, Luke would be dead within seconds

Ok but an all state wrestler doesn’t lose to a new guy just bc he is upset. Learning technique takes time, Rey did none of it and is now as strong as Kylo. Also the frustration powers dark side users, the battle to me is just kinda. LOOK MAIN CHARACTER GOOD KYLO BAD, SEE SHE WIN. Like in ep 5 Luke got shit on even when he was trained by yoda for a short time, I just dislike how they made Rey a Mary Sue

Eh Rey is not a Mary Sue just because this fight, Rey is a Mary Sue because she had Mary Sue moments throughout the movie...

gaming Addict Except I wouldn’t consider a Kylo an all state wrestler at all. He trained himself. Dudes probably never had a real lightsaber battle in his life, let’s be real. I think people forget about the pure lack of lightsaber training Kylo has. Since he left Luke, he’s got nobody to train and hone his skills with, how’s he supposed to improve his skills and be any good fighting against someone else with a lightsaber when he probably hasn’t done that since he’s a kid. Whereas Rey has clearly shown she does physical staff combat on Jakku, she clearly has had prior experience fighting someone. Combine that with getting shot, hit with his a lightsaber by Finn, and being frustrated, it’s not unreasonable he lost at all.

gaming Addict did you people not watch the video

@@_comicaze_05 If they did, they're too stubborn in their miso ways to understand anything AT-AT said.

It's in the menu!

9752matt did you just say superfluousness? Lol

@9752matt It's not overanalyzation, you're being ignorant and hateful of the sequels only because you don't get to see some badass luke skywalker beat up everybody. Stop letting nostalgia blind you and see the beauty for which they are for.

@Inheritor_Ghost I don't find her op at all. Also correct me if I'm wrong, but Ben was sent to Luke to train at a later time in his life according to the novelizations. He really is just a newbie as much as Rey. On top of that, I honestly don't see how Luke was trained in using a lightsaber. In the swamp with yoda, I only remember him training with the force, but never a lightsaber, yet he was able to best Darth Vader? I mean sure his character does go through more training, but until Ep. 9 comes out, you can't declare her an underdeveloped character. If she does indeed have some magical power, she can't be classified as "underdeveloped." If no explanation is apparent, i'd agree with you here.

SPOILER FOR RISE OF SKYWALKER It’s even better to watch when you find out Finn is force sensitive! :)

There is a world outside the internet bubble. That world actually thinks that the sequel movies so far are pretty great.

@@davidv4018 they're more of the casual fans who don't understand why that movie upsets others, all people who have a critical mind when it comes to movies, they immediately gotta use the Internet

@9752matt i like how you use big words, but everytime you try to write something extra, you sound dumb. You begin with a comment about visuals. And this is the thing you avoid to talk about. Let me guess: You don't know "crap" about cinematography nor photography nor editing (as the guy making this this video does) and want to sound as if you do. Nobody ever used the force with their lives until someone told them "use the force". And yours is not criticism, you think it is somehow. A fantasy epic about characters discovering they have powers by using them:you keep repeating something with an ugly face, but it doesn't make it ugly. And if you cannot understand something as basic as a character having the pressure of not being capable of taking someone else's spiritual mantle, then these stories aren't for you, maybe nothing is for you. I really can't believe that when you heard the words "as strong as darth vader" you only understood it as a literal assessment. So You didn't understand that Rey wanted to scare him away with what he fears the most, and what he fears the most is that he won't able to represent what Vader does to history.

@@davidv4018 I dislike the sequels but he your argument is superior

Remember when the prequels came out and everybody said they were bad? Only people from my generation who grew up with those movies say they are good (I don't) Of course 15 years from now, the kids who grew up watching the sequels are gonna say the same thing about these movies. The whole "I never understood why people hated the sequels" shit. Its frustrating people don't have the foresight for this, and I feel like there is a lot of hypocrisy going on here. I mean we all know the people who are hating on these movies are gonna change their mind after watching a fucking youtube video in the future

They'll come up with any analysis to make out Rey as being everything but a Mary Sue, it's embarrassing. He really called Kylo a novice....

Thank you so much for the comment! Im currently a broadcast editor/ commercial editor. I love diving into how things are built in regards to the cinematic experience. Its just as important to me as the story.

@@ATATChat I hope these dissections will help you grow as an editor. I know I have learned a ton of practical knowledge about screenwriting from breaking down dialogue scenes in essays and my thesis.

Hahaha favorite comment

So your saying the force just tucked obi wan in like a parent to a 6 year old

Fascinating! I never finished the novelization. But I remember knowing that voice was sort of tempting her.

The hell does that even mean

Yep!!

Duck face lol perfectly said...

She fights like the senate

The good ol POKE

Looking back on it, it makes her connection to Sidious less random. Though I still feel it takes away her agency as a character.

Inheritor_Ghost that makes no sense, it’s been established throughout Star Wars that any Force user, trained or untrained, can tap into the dark side, it has nothing to do with even knowing what it is. It’s not like she thought “hey, I’ll use the dark side to gain an advantage”. She was just angry and wanted to kill him and unknowingly taped into the dark side.

Already did!

Tall order! Haha

😉 that she does!

Holy shit, she does. I just realised they use they same stabby move with teeth bared. Fucken looooooove dark Rey

And with you!

The point is he had about 3 weeks of formal training within the films. No lightsaber training at all beyond blocking either. 🔥

@@ATATChat I appreciate you taking the time to reply. 3 Weeks is still significantly more than none on Rey's behalf, and considering Vader and Luke, you can't always use literal state of the old films to prove they are on equal terms in this fight, But you are correct. Writers might not have the skill to portray what they want correctly. Some of your points are deduced from a lack of information and interpretations which you can't depict as truth because it's uncertain without the skill in writing to make it clear. Nice video though.

Ashoka vs Vader is next up in a few weeks 🔥

My homies

Bro dudes bro dude. Always will.

Oh definitely. They all deliberately forget that Luke was essentially a Gary Stu.

@@molliethomas2585 oh i forgot to mention that he hit the first death star in one shoot without using a target computer, despite the fact that other x-wing pilots that have more years of experience than him (including wedge) couldn't do it and he just do it in his first time both as an x-wing pilot and by shooting the week point... again bros for life!

People want to make Star Wars something that it's not. This is a fairytale with space wizards who have magical powers. IT'S FAKE AND IN SPACE!! Rey is powerful with the force because the force willed it. It's pretty simple. Just like the force chose Luke, Leia, Anakin, Yoda, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka the force chose Rey. It's not rocket science people, it's a kids movie where magical things happen and anything is possible.

My mom is a doctor in biology. When i was a child she cooked for me, took me to school, helped with my homework, did the laundry, played with me and kissed me goodnight. My mom was poorly written.

he found the depth tho so what are you talking about

Thats not what the video is about Kevin. Thanks for the view though!

@@ATATChat Sorry, my post was suppose to be making fun of those people that no matter how many things you point out to the contrary, they're just to be mad and yell MARY SUE!!! Love your work, please keep it up ☺

Oh thank God lmao

@@ATATChat lol bad attempt at a joke, my bad. I'll try to make it more apparent if I try it again in the future lol.