Labour must rethink Brexit if elected - Andrew Marr | Election 2024

Labour must rethink Brexit if elected - Andrew Marr | Election 2024 | The New Statesman

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11 күн бұрын

The rise of the right in Europe has changed the Brexit calculation.
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Emmanuel Macron called a snap parliamentary election following his party’s defeat by the French far-right party National Alliance in the European elections. Far-right parties in Belgium and Germany also performed well in the European Parliament elections. How would a Labour government deal with an increasingly right-wing Europe?
“Looking at this election, we are the outriders. We are the more moderate, sensible, center left society at the moment, more open to people from outside the UK, people outside all of Europe. And it's Europe that is going through a dark time.” - Andrew Marr
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@rsherhod 10 күн бұрын

There better be a more significant change to the way Council Tax is paid. Forcing renters to pay more, based on the value of a property they don't even own, is horribly regressive.

@Visherex 10 күн бұрын

Well said

@TheOrionStar 10 күн бұрын

The renters are using the council services for the area that they live why should they not pay because they don’t own the house?

@Lamartine111 10 күн бұрын

We need meaingful taxation on wealth and to discourage rent-seeking behaviour in this country otherwise we are doomed.

@DomWood 10 күн бұрын

@@TheOrionStar the issue is not paying tax... the issue is the system, the methods by which the tax is both laid and collected. CT is a haggard, unsuitable system that does not appropriately function.

@ChickenNugNugz2 10 күн бұрын

@@TheOrionStar ah yes, remove further burden from the owning class and place it on the demographics already stuck in a cycle of poverty food bank, just barely making it

@kokliangchew3609 10 күн бұрын

I'm a Malaysian working in Singapore. Both countries are in the Commonwealth and have millions of investment in the UK but most, if not all of them were prior to Brexit. This was due to the familiarity of the language, laws, culture and much more due to being former colonies of the British. In short, we were used to the British and found it easier to invest in the UK because of that, and as a gateway into the EU. Post-Brexit, businesses here are concentrating on investments in the EU directly, and bypassing the UK, despite the different legal systems and languages. Oh, and Malaysia and Singapore are part of ASEAN (Association of South-East Asia Nations), which aspires to integrate their economies like the EU. As for the Brexiter's dream or aspiration of becoming a Singapore-on-Thames, well, Singaporeans are more pragmatic and realistic than Brexiters. They had to be in order to create the modern and successful Singapore that Brexiters want to emulate. Ask them if they want to exit ASEAN or exit the EU if they were part of it, the answer would be a resounding NO. Almost everybody here that I talked to about Brexit thought that it was financial and business suicide for the British. And most if not all, put it down to the UK harking back to the days of the British Empire. It wasn't helped by the fact that many Brexiter politicians and businessmen thought that the Commonwealth and the World would gladly trade with the UK on an individual basis. Why should they? And what advantage is there to trading with the UK when it is not a gateway into the EU? Business is business, and it would always look at the bottom line. Brexiters seemed to have forgotten that, or totally ignored it altogether.

@ecohipster7724 10 күн бұрын

That's an interesting insight into the Commonwealth countries, Brexit is was always going to be disastrous for the UK and it citizens we very much want to rejoin the EU and put this entire mass behind us, but we understand this will take time that we must take the first step towards this

@Teasehirt 10 күн бұрын

Always about sovereignty, taking control of our borders, deciding our own laws, Voting out of office our politicians and choosing our trading partners. With Europeans moving to the left we might see a loosing up of our trade relations with the EU.

@jamonit7169 10 күн бұрын

"And most if not all, put it down to the UK harking back to the days of the British Empire" I'm sick of reading that nonsense, I don't know a single leave voter who ever mentioned the Empire certainly not in the context that you're inferring. That was a creation of the MSM to reinforce their bigoted view that we were all "little Englanders", which went down very well with the rest of the world. They've been fed on the view that we should treat our actions in the 17th,18th and19th centuries by today's moral standards. Why would we want to hark back to the days when we took what we wanted... pointing out that there were countries around the globe that had a connection with Britain before the EU existed is hardly a desire to return to the days of Queen Victoria. Look around at the Asian countries that never had the "misfortune" of our presence, are they better off. I certainly can't answer that but I know English history since Æthelstan in 925 was bloody to say the least. Would India have become the "world's largest democracy" (much to the disdain of the EU who laughably makes that claim!) without our "help"? Whilst the distant past was being re-examined closer to home no light was shone on the fact that the EU bureaucrats were creating a European empire of their own run by a politburo based in Brussels that no one voted for. My sole reason for voting to Leave was to gain our independence something most if not all of our former colonies have done since WW2. Any country wishing to trade with them had a long list of rules to obey, proving naval power isn't really needed to build an Empire these days, just the economic power to bully smaller countries who just want to sell their stuff that we used to make back in the day. was no reason why former commonwealth countries and any other for that matter wouldn't want to trade with the UK, we are 70 million people and almost everything we buy is imported. I don't know anything much about Singaporean history but didn't the communists try to take over in the 1950's, how did you manage to repel them. Hopefully this comment won't be hidden but had to put my views out there...

@andrew300169 10 күн бұрын

Like having access to the ace in the pack and throwing it away for a joker.

@jamonit7169 10 күн бұрын

My earlier reply to you has been "hidden" only seen if you sort comments by newest first. I mostly spoke about the EU Empire we gained our independence from but seeing as you might not get it I'll bring you closer to your own home.. I'm guessing you're forgotten the 1950's when British national servicemen (and Australian troops) were deployed in the "Malayan Emergency". what was that all about!

@tomwebb5148 10 күн бұрын

Great to hear from the only optimist in the country…let’s hope he’s right

@SamSamSamSamSam 9 күн бұрын

Lol prepare to be disappointed. The structural factors at play that have been leading to the relative decline of Europe (UK included) are still roaring away unabated

@MrBoboiscool 7 күн бұрын

Forget the warning signs of the swarms of neoliberal exonimies plubging into far right populism out of radicalisation of the masses due to the blob that is traditional parties that want nothing else than maintaining the status quo economically, centrists followed by the far right, everywhere. We are just 5 years behind.

@Dmanz67 9 күн бұрын

Coucil tax is horrendous. It can take up to 20 percent of a low paid persons NET pay.

@itsnowjoke1381 7 күн бұрын

They will be a total disaster

@Northstander 3 күн бұрын

What makes you say that...can anything be worse than the car crash Tories?

@jgreen9361 2 күн бұрын

What he means by “a total disaster” is that some of his tax perks and tax loopholes might close and he won’t be reassured at every turn by everything being the fault of immigrants.

@t.vanoosterhout233 10 күн бұрын

Have to laugh at 'Brussels bureaucrats'. When will Brits finally let go of that tired and false cliche?

@trewjohn2001 10 күн бұрын

Exactly, the British government didn’t have to implement the non compulsory EU laws of which there were many. They just used Brussels as a scapegoat to implement EU laws that suited them.

@regarded9702 10 күн бұрын

When it stops being true

@t.vanoosterhout233 10 күн бұрын

@@regarded9702 You're being funny, it was never true. Boris Johnson etc have lied to you. Maybe that 'bendy bananas' tale was an in-joke that you didn't quite get.

@mogzybuster 9 күн бұрын

@@regarded9702 There are bureaucrats in every area of public life and country so strictly speaking it will always be true, both inside and outside of the EU. But anyone with a functioning synapse or two knows that the expression 'Brussels bureaucrats' was and is generally used to defame the EU, to help convince the public that the EU was and is responsible for the ills of the country, which in reality were and are domestically generated. The UK has become a lot more bureaucratic since leaving the EU than it was before and is home to some of the most bureaucratic institutions in the world, including the civil service and westminster. Why is it that brexit proponents seem to keep doubling down, when all the evidence is revealing how harmful it is to us economically and socially with the division that has spread from it. Like cultists who believe so strongly that self flagellation is the key to salvation they insist it's good for all. Have a dose if smelling salts, brexit was never going to improve lives, it hasn't improved lives and it will never improve lives; regardless of how often control and sovereignty words are spouted out, both of which we still had before anyway. So yes it is true, but not in the sense you are implying, use your synapses.

@vilebrequin6923 9 күн бұрын

It never was @@regarded9702

@maartenaalsmeer 9 күн бұрын

It is true that the right-wing gained some ground in the EU elections but the 2 (Social-) Democratic EU factions are still a large majority: EEP 186 seats, S&D 133 seats. By comparison: Right-wing ID (Wilders and Le Pen) 60 seats (gained 10) and ECR (Meloni, PiS, VOX) 70 seats (gained 1). Not enough to shake up the status quo in a *720* seat European Parliament. the EP will function as it did before.

@ab-ym3bf 8 күн бұрын

And what Marr (and others) conveniently forget is a) the Nordic countries shifted away from their far right parties, b) this is PR and not FPTP and c) the EU and the EP are not the governing body of 27 memberstates and as a union of sovereign nations functions differently from a country.

@glyngreen538 10 күн бұрын

I’m pretty optimistic about what Starmer’s Labour will bring in and fix when in power too (and I’m a leftwing lifelong Green Party voter). Hope the Tories end up in third place and not even the opposition.

@andrewwalsh2755 9 күн бұрын

Did you know... when Kier Starmer stood for election as Party leader... he told the Labour Party membership "I am not a Zionist"... He also made 10 socialist pledges... then dropped them... and still claims to have kept "most" of them... He is on video, denying saying things he is on video actually saying... Are you still "pretty optimistic" that Tel Aviv Keith will actually do anything he "pledges"?... 🤔

@askosefamerve Күн бұрын

At this point i have started thinking even Reform will be more sensible than the Tories.

@yannmaenden7236 10 күн бұрын

I think it is easy for people in the UK to misunderstand what is happening in the EU. Firstly the EU, In terms of population, is huge. It has about 440 million people - almost the same as the populations of the USA (330m) and the Russian Federation ( 150m ) combined. Secondly most EU countries have a plethora of parties. The tendancy has been that the far right unite under a single banner, while the centre and left remain fragmented. In the EU elections in France, for example, the Rassemblement National got the most MEP's of any party - but only got around 30% of the vote. Also the rise of RN has been largely fueled by the decline of another right wing party, namely Les Républicans. The rise of the right therefore is not as dramatic as the English media would have you believe. Anti Americanism is on the rise in most of Europe. The concept of US hegemony and a bipolar world order is being challenged ( à la Charles de Gaulle ). Brexit and the war in Ukraine will draw the EU together; so Marr's concept of a looser EU is probably mistaken. This then raises the question of whether the EU would want America's poodle back in the fold ? This is probably why the Tories and Labour are avoiding the subject of Brexit - attempts at rejoining might get a resounding 'non ! '.

@garyturner5739 9 күн бұрын

Brussels will rebel the right-wing surge. Sorry to disappoint the Brexit Englanders fantasies of Denise of the EU. Lets get back into the the EU or at least have a much softer Brexit than the one with got now.

@gavindoyle692 9 күн бұрын

The UK could rejoin EFTA (like Norway for example) without any major hurdles. This is as close as the relationship will get. To have the UK in the Common Market and Customs Union again makes total sense and is mutually beneficial and the new Labour government would be mad not to pursue that course. But nobody (not even its closest neighbours in Ireland or the Netherlands) wants the UK back in the EU. Far too troublesome and bridges have been well a truly burned. That is a generational project.

@aleph8888 9 күн бұрын

@aleph8888 0 seconds ago A lot of anti-Americanism is based on a desire for a multipolar world which is just another term for balance of power that helped cause so much suffering in Europe. The Americas are an outgrowth of European culture; and splitting the West is just playing into the autocrats hands. NATO has been extremely successful which is why the Russians and the PRC want to divide it. The narrow self serving French view is based on the narcissism of small differences. Ukraine has shown that.

@MrKarlyboy 9 күн бұрын

The EU is disjointed, the single market is shrinking. It is also 150m smaller than CPTPP which the UK is finalizing membership with.

@user-me3jv1sv1x 9 күн бұрын

Whereas in the UK Reform is forecast to get a similar share of the vote as the Conservatives but only likely to get 3 MPs. The rise of the left therefore is not as dramatic as the English media would have you believe.

@JohnStevens-gp7ge 9 күн бұрын

Mr Marr does not understand the EU. What is happening on the Right in Europe, with the exception of the AfD and Fidez, is not a rejection of closer union, but an embracing of closer union as the best way of implementing Right-wing policies on immigration, trade protection, defence, security etc, a sort of European nationalism in fact, albeit nativist, not liberal. This will be very difficult for Britain, if it is combined with a similar agenda in the US. But this new nativist European nationalism on the Right in the EU is still held in check by the liberal centralisers of the Centre-Right, Centre and Centre-Left. Belief in a shared European identity is the same process which created the nation-states of Europe in the past: a volatile combination of nativism and liberalism. Far from being a haven of stability, the UK has already been crushed by its extremism through doing Brexit, far more than anything contemplated by the European Right (or Left). Moreover, the measures he suggest to create a "softer" Brexit will simply not be available to the UK to any degree that will move the dial on growth here. And the corrosive effects of Brexit, political, economic, social and cultural, including upon our own shared national identity, in Northern Ireland, Scotland, and London, will continue or even intensify. The only response to this is to rejoin the EU, in full, with all that will entail: something neither our purely British liberalis, in Labour, even with a huge majority (but no clear mandate for anything), let alone our British nativists in a Reform captured Conservative Party seem remotely able to even contemplate..

@ab-ym3bf 8 күн бұрын

👏👏

@poppasmurf 9 күн бұрын

Let's not forget that the Reform candidate who said we should have appeased Hitler in 1939 is putting forward the same arguments that Lord Halifax and Neville Chamberlain used to try and force Churchill to do a deal with the Germans in 1940.

@RabidDog20 8 күн бұрын

Not wrong, we practically owned the world prior to 1939 now we can barely administer half an island

@Carroty_Peg 6 күн бұрын

most of the country was behind him...the people funding churchill had a vested interest in him getting us into another mess

@jimthompson9370 5 күн бұрын

He has a point. The liberal democracies since the post war era have run their course and been a disaster. Maybe we’d have been better off.

@XxHaythamKenwayxX 10 күн бұрын

Labour DOES need to under-promise now but overdeliver as soon as they possibly can if they want another election victory in 5 years. This is typically what Labour does anyway so I wouldn't be shocked by this. However, they have to be careful not to overstep their bounds on Brexit either. It's a very divisive subject that we still haven't really settled between our friends and families, and it could backfire spectacularly if they started official rejoin talks with the EU in only their first term. Closer alignment, closer relationships, proper agreements, this should be Labour's first 5 year plan of handling the Brexit situation. The second term would then be the point at which Labour, if they win again, would ideally research how the public feels about Brexit after a decade of the 2016 vote has passed. Sad but true fact is a big majority of those that voted Brexit will likely have passed, a big number of those still alive will have changed their minds on it and younger voters who couldnt or didn't care to vote at the time will now have a say on their own futures. That's when the party will need to make the steps towards rejoining, including by introducing electoral reform (PR) to effectively shut out the Tories who might not change their mind on Brexit. That will help the EU's trust in us to not leave again.

@sailormanoyster1849 6 күн бұрын

The referendom, shoild have never been a first past the post result, the should have been by %😢

@mentality-monster 10 күн бұрын

I hope Andrew is right, but with Reeves at the helm, I won't hold my breath. Reeves' "Modern Supply Side Economics" = the same failed economic orthodoxy we've had for decades.

@piccalillipit9211 10 күн бұрын

This was my comment: I DONT LIKE STARMER but he is a strategic genius - HE brought down Bojo over 18 months, HE let Sunak tie himself to the £2,000 whilst having a letter that proved it a LIE Maybe its wishful thinking, but I cant imagine he is going all this very long term strategic planning to get into power - but does NOT actually have a grand plan for when he gets there, We will all find out shortly. ---!--- If they just continue neo-liberal economics with tweaks - its over for the UK. Its in freefall collapse now and more of the same but kinder wont save it.

@col.hertford9855 10 күн бұрын

The predictions of Keynes are still being shown as correct nearly 80 years after he died, and yet, they still plot on with the policy that has discredited both times it’s been used.

@bugsygoo 10 күн бұрын

in regards to the extreme right, Britain is simply ahead of the curve of much of Europe. It has had its extremist moment and now the great british public have had a nasty shock.

@jamonit7169 10 күн бұрын

So how do you explain the EU elections?

@bugsygoo 10 күн бұрын

@@jamonit7169 By the fact that some of European countries are behind the curve. Remember that the extreme right didn't do well in all countries. Unfortunately it was in the big ones, but, for instance, in Denmark the left did very well. That's because Denmark is also ahead of the curve with extreme right wing parties. The same is true in other countries. The extreme right increased their vote, but it's not like it was so big that the dynamics of the EU parliament need to change. They don't have anywhere near a majority. Britain is ahead of the curve because it voted in an extremist government and then the public was horrified at what it had asked for.

@AF-gd7fh 10 күн бұрын

When did the UK have an extreme right?

@Joca497 10 күн бұрын

@@AF-gd7fh It hasn't. But if you're an extreme leftist, then anything central (normal) looks far right .

@maccagrabme 10 күн бұрын

Erm no we are a few years behind the rest of Europe, people have forgotten how bad Labour are and will be in for a shock. It's only because they have only been in power about half the time the Tories have over the decades that they have managed to get away with it. Reform for me.

@paulmelluish9515 10 күн бұрын

How refreshing! I suddenly feel we may have something to look forward to in this country. Maybe not reverse Brexit, but forge a better relationship with our neighbours and stop them hating us so much. Please DO NOT VOTE TORY

@jeanbrown8295 10 күн бұрын

And don,t vote Labour,or will will be inundated with even more migrants.VOTE REFORM

@RJRJ 10 күн бұрын

True, vote Reform! (=

@khar12d8 10 күн бұрын

They don't hate us.

@LouisMenotti 10 күн бұрын

They don't hate us..

@maccagrabme 10 күн бұрын

Reform. What we currently have isn't Brexit.

@freespirit995 9 күн бұрын

The swing to the Right in the EU elections is exaggerated. The composition of the EU Parliament will not greatly change as a result of these elections, but it is true that far-right parties have had success. But only in the EU Parliament elections not in national elections where the governments of the states involved is decided. UKIP did very well in the UK's last participation in EU Parliament elections in 2019, but that was a protest vote. The same has happened in 2024. National elections are very different as, in many ways, they 'matter more' than EU Parliamentary elections. I doubt there is support for hard-right, RN-style governments in most parts of Europe. I expect the French Right, especially the RN, will not do as well as they expect in the national elections in France in June. I can't imagine the French electing a majority led by Le Pen or the Germans electing a majority AfD government. So the general noise that Reform in the UK is a force to be reckoned with is most likely an exaggeration. In the end, people will want more 'sensible' politicians than opportunist charlatans like Farage, Le Pen or similar...

@kerryryan5116 5 күн бұрын

Did you look at who voted? It was women, women who were tired of the sexual violence across Europe, my God where have you been?

@Kicklighter.A 9 күн бұрын

I'm afraid that Labour have neither the vision the will or the ambition to make the necessary changes this country so desperately needs. I hope I'm proven wrong.

@keithparker1346 10 күн бұрын

Rethink Brexit? It happened. Best to work on our problems which we had while still in the EU and still have. Magically rejoining the EU will not solve those problems

@andrewjones-productions 10 күн бұрын

You have a point. Until the population of the UK admit and acknowledge that the problems it has are in the main of its own making, rejoining the EU will only lead to yet another silly referendum where one side will be blaming the EU unfairly for its own woes. Also, the population will be unable to discern between what are the problems with the EU and constructive positive and meaningful improvements to the EU cannot occur (if the UK were to ever rejoin).

@garyturner5739 9 күн бұрын

No let's rejoin the EU or get much softer Brexit. The problems we had with the EU were trivial that Brexiters exaggerated for their own uses.

@redrev674 6 күн бұрын

@@garyturner5739we are doing just fine not being in the EU thank you.

@markdavies3921 2 күн бұрын

Labour will be the end of us will be bankrupt in 2 years

@matt_cummins28 8 күн бұрын

I have to say I enjoy Andrew Marr's contributions here much more useful than I ever did when he was at the BBC. One gets the impression that here he is able to give us a proper view of what's actually going on at the root of things. And he also, always, digs out little facts (for example his comments about various Reform candidates/members) which you just don't see/hear elsewhere. Thanks very much.

@khar12d8 10 күн бұрын

The thing is, we know the electorate is more volatile than ever before. So a big Labour majority doesn't guarantee a second election victory. Remember, Attlee in 1945 was booted out of power by the Tories in 1951.

@jamesthomas4841 9 күн бұрын

Labour actually won the popular vote in 1951.

@DavidC-fk2wg 9 күн бұрын

In pretty freakish circumstances. He increased his vote share abs in fact won the popular vote.

@mattbooth307 9 күн бұрын

The Tories in 1951 had the benefit of not having a Boris Johnson, though.

@jamesthomas4841 9 күн бұрын

@@mattbooth307 They had a bloke called Churchill

@Fringe31422au 9 күн бұрын

@@jamesthomas4841The drawbacks of first past the post

@AB-zl4nh 10 күн бұрын

3/4 of Europe is not France & Germany. This is a European-wide election. Centre-Left, Centre & Centre-Right MEPs have a super majority (3/5) in the EU Parliament. If the Left votes against the Far-Right, that super majority turns into an absolute (4/5) majority. The Far-Right went up by 9 MEPs.

@sarangistudent8614 10 күн бұрын

In a far-right country, that’s reported as a MASSIVE victory for the far-right.

@maneshipocrates2264 10 күн бұрын

And it is actually a very minor minority. I mean the EU nazis,

@michaelmccomb2594 10 күн бұрын

But France and Germany are very large by population and political importance

@ruler1422 10 күн бұрын

The difference is that were just getting started. The "far right" will grow for the next 3 cycles, or until remigration is implimented

@howardrisby9621 10 күн бұрын

@@michaelmccomb2594Whereas Poland ..... is too.

@fionarangel9486 10 күн бұрын

I'm an optimist like Andrew Marr! Keep telling everyone at work that trade with the EU is going to improve soon.... I AM holding my breath! We NEED change 🥳

@lets_discuss5352 10 күн бұрын

Unless EU becomes desperate for trade with the UK, do you believe any trade with EU will be on EU's terms which may be more demanding than what UK had before Brexit as a founding member? And, will that be palatable, politically and otherwise?

@charlethemagne5466 10 күн бұрын

There's being optimistic and being delusional, you're the latter.

@edoardorossi5031 9 күн бұрын

Sorry, it's not if the red lines don't change.

@trident6547 9 күн бұрын

@@lets_discuss5352 UK was not a founding member of EU. It was one of the countries that revised the former treaties of the Coal and steel Community and the Treaty of Rome and EEC.

@lets_discuss5352 9 күн бұрын

@@trident6547 Thank you, I stand corrected. I somehow thought it was a founding member. Though, I get a good laugh when I remember what Sir Humphrey Appleby said to his Min. James Hacker as to why Britain joined the EU 😀

@boomer.65 5 күн бұрын

Who's Andrew marr to say this. BBC got rid of him because he talks rubbish..!

@soton5teve 10 күн бұрын

There is no rethinking brexit, the later you join the EU, the less power you have, and that was always an issue from before, if you want to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, keep talking about it.

@TheEroticDonkey 10 күн бұрын

He's a journalist making a commentary - how him discussing Brexit would cause a loss, I do not know. Also, when did he say we should rejoin Europe 🤔 I get the sense you heard the words "rethink Brexit" and stopped listening to what he said Second

@bob1234881 10 күн бұрын

Ok, Russian bot. 😂

@freddysw 10 күн бұрын

if this is victory, it’s a very strange kind of victory, 2/3 of the countries against it and it seems to be a drink never achieved. People we had the wrong kind of Brexit, we are outside to political and economic union. What more could be done?

@stephendoherty8291 10 күн бұрын

The UK public still think EU is the problem not any solution

@TheLucanicLord 10 күн бұрын

Is that, how you use, commas in, Moscow?

@jonathano.7109 9 күн бұрын

I respect Andrew Marr, but he suffers from British exceptionalism. In a recent - and this one - video he said that the UK was an 'outlier' escaping the right-wing surge in Europe. Do the names Patel, Braverman, Lee Anderson, Farage, etc. not ring a bell? In this video he repeats the Sun's view of the EU as being gripped by extremists. In most countries the far-right has similar poll ratings as Reform. And as for France and Germany, they haven't suffered years of right-wing populism, as in the uk. Enough of the smug exceptionalism, please!

@gio-oz8gf 9 күн бұрын

If the election result is anywhere close to the polls, Patel, Braverman, Lee Anderson and Farage will be about as irrelevant as it's possible to be. What do you think a few, at best, backbenchers will be capable of doing? Even if Labour gets a small majority, or has to depend on the Lib Dems to pass legislation, to all intents and purposes Patel, Braverman, Lee Anderson, and Farage might just as well not be in Parliament. There were eight DUP MPs elected in 2019, which of their achievements do you remember most? Right, me neither.

@haroonvlogs5437 9 күн бұрын

Those names do ring a bell but none of them can be elected as PM. Uk wave of right wing nationalists is receding . With Brexit they have lost the argument.

@davecap2641 10 күн бұрын

Hope you are right Andrew.

@gilgamecha 9 күн бұрын

He's fantasising.

@CeticWales 9 күн бұрын

I agree with Andrew Narr with his optimism. I think a Labour Government will be a lot more social democratic and radical than people think,

@gilgamecha 9 күн бұрын

Well they're certainly doing a great job of hiding that from the public and the electorate.

@flabbybum9562 9 күн бұрын

I'm a Reform voter, and I love these discussions. Intelligent perceptive questions, and brilliant pithy and witty analysis. I think Andrew is on to something - people are so sick if dishonest floppy government, that by being radical, decisive, true, even righties like me, might have a grudging respect for a Labour government.

@calastyphon3414 7 күн бұрын

I remember Rory Stewart made a similar point where sometimes it might be nice for a politician to make a stand on something even if it's unpopular because then you are least know he's willing to fight for something Corbyn was obviously a really divisive figure but at least nobody could fault the fact that he wore his heart on his sleeve compared to a lot of others

@CatholicSatan 10 күн бұрын

Oh dear... To start, the EU is not in the slightest bit interested in custom deals, they are sick of them, some 200 agreements with Switzerland for example. And there's a bunch of hurdles already for re-joining the EU (or even for closer ties with the EU) - including crappy trade deals that would have to be re-negotiated. Think 10-15 years alone as Australia digs in its heels as they want to send hormone laden frozen beef to the UK. Australia will leverage the hold over the UK to get themselves a cracking EU deal.

@TheLucanicLord 10 күн бұрын

The Australia deal has a 6 month notice clause.

@trident6547 9 күн бұрын

@@TheLucanicLord And before UK could apply to start the accession proces is many years in the future. The debt only is a huge obstacle. 50% too high to comply with the Copenhagen criteria. And ask yoursself are the brits ready to adopt the Euro and join the Schengen area? Both are Copenhagen Criteria. On top of that candidate countries these days have not only to present a democratic constitution for inspection but also demonstrate the articles within that constitution that prevent arbitrary dismantlement of its terms by a government (as Poland did). In future any country deemed to have broken this commitment will no longer require a unanimous vote of the Council to be sanctioned or expelled - a majority vote will suffice. I would not count on UK having any chance of applying for membership in the next 10-15 years.

@dantownsend4246 8 күн бұрын

@@TheLucanicLordsix months if they send the notice by ship

@adamastorBassBar 9 күн бұрын

Oh, the hubris!

@Dani20240 10 күн бұрын

Vote labour, independent, worker party.

@digglerdudeuk 9 күн бұрын

It takes an almost impossible level of optimism to be excited by Starmer's Labour being in power.

@lesleylamy 9 күн бұрын

I am they are the ones to help our people not like sunac a farage reform is another name for Tory, sunac for himself and the few ,farage he justs wants to get elected for himself, starmer will be strong he will get the nhs, i like his trueful ness and though he does not shout it Wii be nic to have calm and respect,

@ShabibAnsari 8 күн бұрын

Really like Andrew most of the time but here he seems to be mistaken, the EU isn't like the US or UK where it's only 2 parties in power with 60% or so majorities. The "earth shattering rise of the right" in the EU that most (not all) Brit news sources are reporting on overlook: 1. The small percentage the far right commands in the legislatures of France and Germany (about 30%) 2. The unexpected over-performance of the Left in the Netherlands & Nordics. 3. The increase in seats for the EPP, Ursula Von Der Leyen's "center right party" which is nonetheless quite left compared to Labour on many issues. 4. The prominence of left leaning parties in Portugal & Spain 5. The increase in EU elections turnout and support for Pro-EU parties While fragmented and shifting to the right, the EU is also more united with many prospects for left leaning parties, or those that preserve the current status quo (the EPP).

@ab-ym3bf 7 күн бұрын

Good summary and analysis

@angiegraham2579 6 күн бұрын

The EU is falling apart. Other countries want out but in the UK people think it is a good idea to rejoin. They seriously need to wake up!!

@Vocela 9 күн бұрын

I adore Andrew Marr and his optimism!

@gavindoyle692 9 күн бұрын

Andrew Marr seems to be confusing the European Union with just France and Germany. There are 27 countries in the EU, and the vast majority did not lurch to the extreme right.

@aleph8888 9 күн бұрын

EU expansion was driven primarily by the UK. A shallower EU, rather than a deeper, more integrated EU is the natural result. The center of gravity in the EU has shifted to Eastern Europe which don’t share the French model. And it’s not clear if a Europe of concentric rings is possible under the existing Treaties.

@herbertvonzinderneuf8547 8 күн бұрын

....yet

@ab-ym3bf 8 күн бұрын

@@aleph8888 yes, it is very clear that a multispeed, concentric rings or whatever name it is given kind of Eu is not possible under the current treaties. It is also very clear that there is no appetite for it, since similar proposals keep popping up every 3 to 4 years from "think tanks" and are immediately rejected. Many expert reports have been made about why it will never work. "EU expansion was driven primarily by the UK. A shallower EU, rather than a deeper, more integrated EU is the natural result." yes, fully agree with that. Now with the Uk out the EU can work towards it goal of ever closer union.

@stuartmcloughlin 7 күн бұрын

Indeed - however France and Germany are the two strongest economies in the EU - they sneeze, the rest of the EU get a cold.

@ab-ym3bf 7 күн бұрын

@@stuartmcloughlin being the 2 strongest economies has absolutely zero to do with the post of the OP concerning a political "lurch to the right". Besides that, Germany has a cold, yet other EU economies show excellent growth.

@harrydebastardeharris987 9 күн бұрын

Not everyone in the South of England is well off.Putting up Council Tax might seem fairer but there are a good proportion of us that can’t really afford what they pay in CT now let alone a big rise. It really is time to pull the country together and not split it up into us up into us and them.

@iraceruk Күн бұрын

"We can't break all our promises". Yes they can, and you can guarantee that they WILL! 🙄

@Its.all.a.game.m8 9 күн бұрын

We’re at the highest tax burden for years and you think this is a great opportunity to squeeze more money out of people? How much more do you think people can take? They spent their share of the tax take when they called for more lock downs. Time to tighten the belts and pay down our dept. Reduce the size of the state, it’s suffocating us.

@aleph8888 9 күн бұрын

The problem is they haven’t had a new idea for over 100 years. They have a fixation with growing the public sector.

@GrahamJones-co9yp 9 күн бұрын

“I’m not sneering”. You absolutely were sneering. You can’t help yourself Andrew.

@ChickenNugNugz2 10 күн бұрын

10:55 Why are we surprised that a candidate for the british nazi party said something pro hitler? No Andrew, farage uses the asthetic of patriotism regarding WW2 but he is an ethnonationalist, many of his views and talking points are directly taken from the nazi talking points.

@sarangistudent8614 10 күн бұрын

Let’s not forget, he literally paid homage to the Nazis when him and his kippers turned his back to everyone in the EU parliament. He was literally commemorating what the Nazis had done in the 1930s. That wasn’t picked up by the British media, but it was a shocking and disgusting to do.

@keithparker1346 10 күн бұрын

There is an argument that Britain should have kept out of ww2 as in retrospect in put us into huge debt to USA

@ChickenNugNugz2 9 күн бұрын

@@sarangistudent8614it was just like that last time though, the media were complicit in their first rising too. The owning classes recognised the social unrest from the perverse inequalities in society and spent years backing any narrative that drew attention away from them. 4 years ago, half of the country controlled 9% of the total wealth. The top 10% had nearly 50%. It's even worse than that today. You either face the reality of the situation, or you find a minority group to scapegoat.

@bartoszbrown1322 9 күн бұрын

Scrap Leashold. I pay 2k in Leashold charges. I would be quite happy to spend an extra 1k a year on council tax while getting rid of the Leashold charge

@Narg_Smart 9 күн бұрын

…and yet when you look at the election results for the European Parliament the center right is still the biggest group, working together with other centrist parties and not the extremes. Too much panicking.

@ab-ym3bf 8 күн бұрын

"Too much panicking" there is no panicking, it is just english media drivel to get attention away from the far right course of the cons and ukip/Reform in the UK.

@Nazomiah 10 күн бұрын

All of the polling about rejoining includes people wrongly assuming we'd simply be reverting to pre-brexit conditions, this is far from the truth. Rejoining would, for instance, include embracing the Euro currency. Include that in the polling and there's no way this country is rejoining.

@hustlinmagic 10 күн бұрын

Some of the polls do include that and the last poll had over 50% in favour of re-joining. Not by much, but it growing.

@Nazomiah 10 күн бұрын

@@hustlinmagic I think when minds are focused during a rejoin-referendum , the rejoin side will struggle to campaign for the abolition of Sterling. Even during the height of EU popularity in the Blair years, the Euro was politically poisonous in the UK. After what happened to the Tories, would any party really want to re-ignite the 2016-2019 years?

@drummingtildeath 10 күн бұрын

"Include that in the polling and we won't see a majority for rejoining". "We did and it got a majority" "I still don't believe it". Normal internet reasoning.

@hustlinmagic 10 күн бұрын

@@Nazomiah Well, you make the assumption we would have to join the Euro. That's not necessarily the case. There are reasons that it would be beneficial to both us and the EU to retain the pound. You are also assuming we would re-join the EU proper, and that is almost certainly not the case. It would more than likely be a modified Norway style agreement. One that we could not have before, because it crossed May's artificial red lines.

@Nazomiah 10 күн бұрын

@@drummingtildeath Not at all, I'm not disputing the current polling. I'm making the point that during the intensity of an referendum campaign, when the Euro will be a made a BIG issue by media, I believe that the flippancy of todays polling over a hypothetical referendum that isn't within sight yet will quickly re-shape.

@FranzBieberkopf 9 күн бұрын

Whatever Starmer thinks about re-entering the EU, the EU won't even think about negotiating until and unless the Conservatives support a re-entry bid. For Britain to re-enter and then leave when the Conservatives win an election-forget it, no EU member would accept that

@Test_Card_Tom 9 күн бұрын

Ah but the Tories wouldn't dare reverse a 2nd referendum that saw the UK re-enter the EU with a 55% plus majority which many opinion polls show is likely.

@rflameng 9 күн бұрын

The question that the UK should ask itself is whether the EU would actually wants it back. It should be odd that this question isn't on the radar, but it isn't (I've been around the UK enough to know that many Brits think of themselves as a gift to humanity 🙂).

@ab-ym3bf 8 күн бұрын

"think of themselves as a gift to humanity" and their farts smell of roses

@nattyco 10 күн бұрын

Yes, if Labour get a big majority it should have a referendum about reversing Brexit. Only problem is would the EU want us back?

@AlexGys9 10 күн бұрын

Sure, why wouldn't we want the UK back? Just out of spite? Nah, the EU doesn't hold a grudge. It is a pragmatic organisation that looks out for the best interests of its member states. There are clear criteria for joining the EU (the so called Copenhagen criteria). Once the UK meets these criteria, it is eligible to join the EU. However, meeting the criteria will not be easy nor quick.

@trident6547 9 күн бұрын

@@AlexGys9 Hmmm....not necessary. Quite a lot of countries have brexit benefits. All the exportquotas UK had as a member were split up between remaining members. . I am not sure they will give away what they have, that would mean a trade agreement with for example Japan would have to be renogiated, and the other part in a trade agreement might be unwilling to expand excisting EU quotas. Lots of factors to take in when talking about a possible UK application for memebrship.

@AlexGys9 9 күн бұрын

@@trident6547 True, it won't be easy and it won't be quick. In my view, the most important issue is whether the UK wants to join again for all the right reasons or just because they lost some trade.

@buzzukfiftythree 10 күн бұрын

The realistic chances of rejoining the EU are practically nil. I say that with sadness, but convincing the UK electorate to accept the Euro, freedom of movement, Schengen is going to be impossible. It may happen 20 years down the line when the younger generation have more sway, but not in the next 5 to 10 years. Many are still going to hold their noses when they vote Labour at this election, rather than with any great enthusiasm. Labour know this and will not want to rock the boat in their first term, which a referendum would do.

@TheLucanicLord 10 күн бұрын

It's not necessary to join the Euro, just to think about doing it someday. Denmark hasn't.

@raj_kumar0 10 күн бұрын

Also the Government of Republic of Ireland will not allow GB back into the EU until the island of Ireland is reunited under Dublin's control.

@GRB-tj6uj 9 күн бұрын

@@TheLucanicLordthe EU will insist on a clear timeframe for the UK to join the euro. It's the only way the UK can show it is now committed to the European project

@MaximusOwen1 9 күн бұрын

Personally whilst I don’t think we will ever re-join the political institutions of the EU, I think it’s inevitable we will rejoin the single market in some form. Maybe not until the parliament after next one when the issue isn’t toxic and the likes of Farage and the ERG aren’t there anymore.

@trident6547 9 күн бұрын

@@TheLucanicLord Oh yes it has to. Denmark is an old member. It joined in 1973. UK will join under completely different rules. An accession process with 6 clusters with 35 chapters. All chapters have to be closed before a new one is opened. Chapter 17 Economic and monetary police in the fundamental cluster Financial Control hhas to be closed. That means a plan to adopt Euro has to ne in place and a time table when UK comlies with the convergence criteria. If you want to pretend to follow EU rules I guess EU will pretend you are applying and just leave it at that and UK will remain a third country. Opt outs and rebates are gone. Adherence to adopting Euro and joining Schengen are criteria for even being able to apply for the accession process to start. Adoption of the EU Acquis, establishment of administrative structures towards implementation, compliance with the Copenhagen political criteria and Copenhagen economic criteria cannot be negotiated.

@JackJohnson-lp9jr 9 күн бұрын

Marr forgets his interview with John Major and how often during the referendum he peddled on the edge of leave in the face of blatantly false narratives on the benefits of Brexit. Now he, like Andrew Neil want to act innocent on the fact that they enabled the Tories to get us into this mess in the first place. Demanding Labour to make a move on Brexit is laughable.

@timothydenyer7749 9 күн бұрын

a dangerous man......if one is silly enough to listen, and actually believe....

@timothydenyer7749 9 күн бұрын

putin on one side, reeves on the other...say no more.....

@kls1836 10 күн бұрын

Europe being accused isolationism when they have free travel between their borders is too much. They are not turning isolationist between themselves but the out of side of europe which in my opinion is fair enough.

@ReltubTheWiz 9 күн бұрын

There are poor people in the South too who also pay a high proportion of council tax relative to the wealthy. Incidentally we pay a higher price for everything. From someone who's never owned their own home.

@existentialvoid 10 күн бұрын

I would suggest that the UK is also going to have a swing to the right u less immigration and parallel societies are addressed. The drivers in Europes turn to the right are all about an eroding welfare system, rising crime and rising Islamist visibility. So if labour don’t address immigration head on, don’t resist increasing crime and go full intersectionality (like recognising Palestine and altering UK foreign policy) - then after 5 years - a reconstituted national conservative Tory party will come back. . . Labour has to avoid going cosmopolitan elite and address the needs of working class British interests in order to stay in power - and this may be impossible.

@paulreading8980 10 күн бұрын

Absolutely not they have no mandate for that. The EU is imploding and we have already been through the pain. We are well off out of it.

@bigernie9433 9 күн бұрын

The Uk may want this or that but the Brexaster trade deal is what it is: quite advantageous for the EU, not so much for the UK. Hence no incentive for Brussels to change that independently of who resides in No 10. Sir Keir could improve defence cooperation and rejoin youth exchange programs. These are not bad ideas but will do nothing measurable to solve the economic problems. The same is true for a potential veterinary agreement under the supervision of the ECJ with the caveat that the Brexasteers would be fuming.

@ColinMaxwell-oc1ok 10 күн бұрын

Most people are scared but reform will hold their feet to the 🔥 fire...🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

@Kavala76 8 күн бұрын

Lord protect the UK from both Labour and Conservative.

@marcusdosh408 10 күн бұрын

If i thought Labour would rejoin or just join the single market id reconsider voting for them....

@garyturner5739 9 күн бұрын

In round about way they will rejoin the single market and custom's union because both of them are inexplicably linked. So if you join one you have to rejoin the other one. It won't be explicitly said tomorrow's Labour manifesto but they'll be heavy hints that will eventually hapen.

@jackthebassman1 2 күн бұрын

I’ve voted Tory all my life, however, if the Labour manifesto included to apply to rejoin Europe, they would have my vote , it’s that important. To self impose trade barriers with the world’s biggest free trade bloc right on our doorstep rather than on the other side of the world and to isolate ourselves from our natural allies was idiotic.

@StephenCowley001 9 күн бұрын

Andrew is quite the British establishment gatekeeper at the end.

@timhandley7408 9 күн бұрын

All we here about is how Labour will take and destroy peoples wealth How about for once coming with way to create wealth rather than destroy it

@jonathanpercevalmaxwell8651 9 күн бұрын

Labour need to be bold, Change the voting system, Reform the HOL, ensure that MPs and Minister's are accoutable? Move power away from Westminister..Bring some of the conservative;s to account. Get rid of the corruption... We need radial change.... and stop this stupidity of Immigration blaming...move to realpolitiK

@albertjack4050 9 күн бұрын

I just registered to postal vote from overseas. First time in 25 years... And I only did it to vote for ReformUK. Enough of these people, time for Reform....

@faelsinnes 22 сағат бұрын

They better not go back on their promises,

@cw8867 3 күн бұрын

Oh for God's sake just get over it and move on! I voted remain but this is just pathetic. We voted it happened.. "Rejoining" is such a misnomer. You are not going to be rejoining on the previous terms, you will be joining on worse terms! Would be completely idiotic. So i can absolutely see labour doing it...

@annabelmacrae5256 9 күн бұрын

Very flattering comment about Nigel Farage! In Scotland we see him as an evil, far right opportunist. And downright ugly into the bargain.

@JustGeorge770 10 күн бұрын

I can't see a reason to think Starmer's Labour are going to be any better than the Tories. He's no principles beyond getting elected. People are only voting Labour because they want the tories out, not because they're giving any hope for the future

@neilw.3012 7 күн бұрын

Wait until you find out that his Dad wasn't a tool maker...

@JustGeorge770 7 күн бұрын

@@neilw.3012 what did his Dad do? Also Starmer is a tool so in a way... hurhurhur

@saminsomerset 9 күн бұрын

Given the council tax is a local tax for local services, why is it unfair that people in the south spend less on their council tax?

@unbabunga229 10 күн бұрын

Yeah undermining Brexit, that will work well for them 😅

@jameslawrence3666 10 күн бұрын

Expose the elephant in the room!! NO GrOWTH with Brexit

@williamhodgson1428 10 күн бұрын

From where I’m sitting there is little growth anywhere!

@piccalillipit9211 10 күн бұрын

*I DONT LIKE STARMER* but he is a strategic genius - HE brought down Bojo over 18 months, HE let Sunak tie himself to the £2,000 whilst having a letter that proved it a LIE Maybe its wishful thinking, but I cant imagine he is going all this very long term strategic planning to get into power - but does NOT actually have a grand plan for when he gets there, We will all find out shortly.

@larryfroot 10 күн бұрын

I'm hoping he has an under-promise / over-deliver approach.

@samuelmelton8353 10 күн бұрын

So? The trouble isn't simply gaining power - I honestly reckon many people could, if they sold out on their principles. What has he gained power for? The sake of it? There is no point on winning an election to push your values, if you have none.

@emberplate 10 күн бұрын

Strategic genius? 😂 Doing and saying nothing to beat the Tories. Delusion like this should be studied.

@adam7802 10 күн бұрын

The Tories dug their own grave, where is the genius?

@keithparker1346 10 күн бұрын

@@adam7802Starmer fanboys claim 4d chess when it's basically been Labour purging their left wing while the Tories have imploded due to Brexit chewing them up and spitting them out

@neilburns8869 3 күн бұрын

I think that we have desperately needed a Labour government and cabinet for quite a few years now. But at long last it sounds listening to Andrew Marr like there could be some cause for a little bit of optimism.👍🤞

@goonerbish 9 күн бұрын

Farage said he's changed his mind...re standing as an MP. Etgo, the People can change their mind...re Brexit.

@maartenaalsmeer 10 күн бұрын

'Rethink Brexit' would be phase 1. Getting the majority of the UK's electorate on board in agreeing that Brexit was a mistake is phase 2. Getting the UK's economic and political stats up to par with meeting the Copenhagen Criteria will be phase 3. Getting all 27 EU nations on board in wanting an ex-member with a questionable reputation back into the EU fold will be phase 4. Time-frame: 20-30 years. At least. And also very much depending on how long it will take the UK electorate to accept reality regarding former UK opt-outs and rebates: those are gone. No more cherry-picking, the UK's either all in, or stays out.

@iandennis7836 9 күн бұрын

I think I can stsy alive for 20 years....30 I don't know 😢

@drkmwinters 10 күн бұрын

Why do you think the EU would want the UK back?

@samuelmelton8353 10 күн бұрын

Money

@Idle-Days 10 күн бұрын

Because most have publically stated that they do.

@AF-gd7fh 10 күн бұрын

They won't. Thank god.

@samuelmelton8353 10 күн бұрын

Why wouldn't they? It would be seen as a victory for the EU, and all the other countries would benefit from a net contributor and a larger European economy. What country would oppose it? France wouldn't. Germany wouldn't. Italy, maybe - but even Meloni prefers to work within the EU than oppose it.

@NigelThompson-hb5jg 10 күн бұрын

Why would the UK want to join a 'club' that is becoming more and more right wing? Isn't that against everything the Labour Party stands for?

@arweldavies2541 10 күн бұрын

Thanks for a dose of optimism!

@Chukwu1967 3 күн бұрын

Nice how they assume the EU would welcome them back.😂😂😂

@uweinhamburg 10 күн бұрын

'Labour must rethink Brexit if elected' Why if they manage to get into power without even mentioning Brexit?? The most important thing about Brexit, which the UK has to learn, is that they do not have any initiative at all when it comes to their relation to EUrope. Out means out!

@abuyusufabdulhakim952 9 күн бұрын

And broke means broke... I remember telling some relatives that Brexit would make the UK a banana republic. I just assumed it would take longer 😂

@richardhefty 9 күн бұрын

Don't be silly, Boris Johnson chose the stupidest form of Brexit imaginable. It would be possible, for example,for the UK to agree access to the EU single market and/or customs union, if they agree to certain regulations and paying for access. There are lots of ways they can make the situation better.

@maartenaalsmeer 9 күн бұрын

@@richardhefty _It would be possible, for example,for the UK to agree access to the EU single market and/or customs union_ Not possible, since SM access is for EU and EFTA members only, and the UK is neither. Cherry-picking didn't work in 2016 either, remember? The EU said 'no' and the UK threw its toys out of the pram and left. So why on earth would the EU bend over backwards to facilitate a former and unreliable member that has nothing of substance to offer in return and lacks the leverage to enforce a deal? Dream on.

@uweinhamburg 9 күн бұрын

@@richardhefty No, Just read the regulations regarding access. No chance for a third country to get full access. Of course, if you are happy with a Turkey solution, some small changes are possible if you like the step from rule maker to rule taker.

@grillerg 10 күн бұрын

After the UK have voted for a hard Brexit 3 times, I'd be very careful going back on that

@sarangistudent8614 10 күн бұрын

The thing is, no one voted for a hard Brexit the first time, if leave had said that was the only option, leave would have lost. Everyone I know voted for Brexit, didn’t want the outcome we got, which is a complete disaster, but still not what hard brexiters want, which would be a lot, lot worse for us

@ToastieBRRRN 10 күн бұрын

@@sarangistudent8614 Exactly, I was hoping for something more akin to a Norway style deal.

@andybrice2711 10 күн бұрын

I don't think they voted for a "hard" Brexit. People did want out of the EU. I'm not sure they wanted out of the single market and customs union.

@gazzaroony 9 күн бұрын

I hope labour do that too, that way Reform are guaranteed to win in 29 👍

@rafd3593 8 күн бұрын

Good stuff. We must so engage with the EU again. Loved the description of the anti-foreigner Farage.

@adrianbaron4994 9 күн бұрын

Let's all hope for a referendum on rejoining the EU in the second Labour term.

@davidwright7588 10 күн бұрын

I am excited about the next labour government as well 🙂

@brouettesylvie8077 9 күн бұрын

Moi aussi.

@StevieSpiers-ru3mf 9 күн бұрын

Amen to that, Andrew.

@jamessomers8955 9 күн бұрын

"We are the more moderate, sensible, center left society at the moment, more open to people from outside the UK, people outside all of Europe."....Wow talk about misreading the room.

@ab-ym3bf 8 күн бұрын

self congratulatory arrogance.

@JamesL42 9 күн бұрын

I don't see how anyone can blame Brexit for the issues our country currently faces when: 1. Our economy is currently doing better than the majority of the EU at the moment 2. Just a few short months after Brexit, we went through the pandemic and lockdown, which ruined global supply chains and shrank the economy of most countries in the world 3. Just a few weeks after lockdown was finally ended for good, we got the Russian Invasion of Ukraine, which once again caused huge damage to global supply chains, shrank the economies of most European countries and triggered an energy crisis which we are still experiencing to this day 4. The worst and most corrupt government in British history has been in charge the entire time we've experienced being a country outside of the European Union. A government who has betrayed almost every one of the promises of the Brexit campaign when they absolutely had the ability to honour them. I don't see how you can look at these facts, how you could've lived through all of this and then say "Nah Brexit is the issue we need to get back into the EU it will fix all our issues". It won't fix them. The EU is still the same undemocratic institution with no respect for national sovereignty and it will continue to be for many decades. We are still better off out of the EU.

@jimbojambo4008 7 күн бұрын

Brexit is done. You are out, you got your way. There will be no new agreement just because you have a new PM, of which you have had 5 since the Brexit referendum.

@PoppiesAndPride 6 күн бұрын

BREXIT IS NOT DONE ECHR IS NOT DONE

@johnwalsh4197 7 күн бұрын

Environmental alignment- utter disaster

@danguee1 7 күн бұрын

3:22 I hate it when journalists twist number dishonestly. Council taxes are based on the cost of providing services - whether your house is 'worth' £10 or £1000000. If house prices are lower up north then, of course, you 'pay more proportionately'.

@proskipper1 10 күн бұрын

Hmm smell the Sovereignty - I can taste the Brexit benefits...

@gregturner_awod 10 күн бұрын

Brexit has been a disaster for the UK, and an approach by a new Labour Government to vastly improve ties and trading links with Europe would be a wise move.

@nc3music920 9 күн бұрын

It wont happen in the first term in my opinion but if and I assume when Labour are reelected again in 5 years then Id say it will happen

@trident6547 9 күн бұрын

@@nc3music920 EU on the other hand is perfectly satisfied with thecurrent TCA. The only thing that will be brought up in the 2025 review of the TCA is the question of UK still not implementing it in full.

@garyturner5739 9 күн бұрын

Well we see tomorrow in Labour Manafesto launch what the new relationship will be with the EU under Starker government. Personally I'm for rejoining the EU or least have much softer Brexit in the guise of what Norway or Switzerland have with the EU. Something of compromise that we could of had with EU but was toppedoed by Tory Brexits nutters.

@silondon9010 6 күн бұрын

A Romanian Beggar outside every supermarket in London thanks to free movement from the European Union, fantastic 😢

@douglasrobertson7368 7 күн бұрын

Andrew your faith in Labour is staggering the public who you never listen to have them figured. Listening to the sanctimony of Creasy yesterday she’s cemented it.

@running4fun863 7 күн бұрын

I own a small flat I moved out as I could afford the mortgage due to the crazy increase in rates The rate is going to come down . If the council tax increases then this is going to make even more difficult for me.

@edoardorossi5031 9 күн бұрын

The EU has already said they are not interested in changing the current relationship with the UK given the red lines both the Tories and Labour have on the issue. Additionally, both the EU-where the majority in the EU Parliament will remain the same for at least the next 5 years-and the USA, as well as the entire world, to be frank, are becoming more protectionist, not less. The UK isn't part of either single market, meaning it's going to be more difficult to trade with both markets, not less. Brexit was a bet on the world becoming less protectionist trade-wise, not more. It couldn't have come at a worse time in history.

@abuyusufabdulhakim952 9 күн бұрын

Brexit wasn't anything that intelligent. The working assumption was that Brits are the superior race and have been created for world domination. Seeing as world domination wasn't happening, it meant that something was holding the UK back, that something was Europe, and so Brexit was needed. Brexit happened and world domination looks even further away, so now it must be the immigrants. Or the wokes. Or experts. Or something...

@jonnyrouse830999 9 күн бұрын

Andrew Marr comes across as being a little arrogant and patronising sometimes and I do not think he realises it. I also find his political views a little dated now. He was good in his heyday but I think it's time now to have somebody younger and hear their take on things. I think people like him are the reason young people are losing interest in politics. I voted to remain during Brexit, but I have finally got used to the idea it has happened. When he talks about Brexit he sounds like a guy who’s wife cheated on him and he cannot let it go and brings it up at every opportunity. The last thing we need at the moment with all our challenges we face is to go back and open that can of worms… Lets have somebody younger and more positive please.

@saminsomerset 9 күн бұрын

I agree although he actually cheated on his wife and sought a super injunction to suppress the information according to newspaper reports .. there is something hubristic about him

@stevedavy2878 21 сағат бұрын

I dusagree with ever word youve said, which is quite rare for me

@Chocky-zv7sj 9 күн бұрын

I don't understand Andrew Marr's comment about revising the Council Tax valuation bands - that this will transfer more of the tax burden from north to south. How does that work? Council Tax is set and collected by individual local authorities. Surely a change in which property is in which band, or even additional higher bands, will just adjust how much different households contribute within a particular local authority area?

@vilebrequin6923 9 күн бұрын

And the blithe references to rejoining the EU, must always beg the question... why the hell would they want us back. I very much doubt there is much appetite to have to contend with us again.

@alanwhiplington5504 10 күн бұрын

I'm fed up with this 'Britain wants a looser relationship' with Europe nonsense. Only the (elderly) Brexiters want that. Young people are very open to a close, all-in, relationship with Europe.

@AF-gd7fh 10 күн бұрын

I'm 25. I do not want to rejoin the EU. But then I'm working class, so my opinion doesn't matter

@peterbarber716 10 күн бұрын

Not just younger people either. My parents are 80 (and my dad left school at 14, so hardly the élite) and they still spit feathers when they hear people say “older people voted for Brexit”. If canvassers from the Tory wing of Reform told them the UK would have to join the Euro if we rejoined the EU, they would probably go “meh” and vote to rejoin regardless.

@timothyodeyale6565 10 күн бұрын

👍@@AF-gd7fh

@t.vanoosterhout233 10 күн бұрын

Just a thought from the other side of the North Sea. Maybe you should also take into consideration what the EU wants, even what it is. A relatively modest increase in the size of rightwing parties in the EU Parliament does not, of itself, lead to an EU with looser ties. Nor to a 'smorgasbord of options' in which you will be able to only pick out the economic bits that are to your advantage.

@haitch04 10 күн бұрын

So many young people can't look past protecting their holiday options