Same crap with ford look at there wet belt engines i got caught out on that one never again thanks for sticking your neck out here 👍

I have after many years of landrover left the brand, how JLR can keep getting away with these catastrophic failures is beyond me.

Eventually this unreliability and contempt for customers will bite JLR on the ass, lets hope so.

Ingenium needs an oil change every 3000 to 4000 miles!

I have a 2017 Jag XE 2ltr diesel , my car has done 81000 miles, I'm probably tempting fate now but i hasn't missed a beat. i change the oil every 5k with good quality oil and i do a full service every other time. i certainly dont agree with land rover saying every 21k, you are just asking for trouble. every other tank of fuel i put premium diesel in, and to be fair other them maintenance costs its never let me down. all cars have issues if you dont maintain them correctly .

This whole situation is so sad. JLR really started it's decent when Tata bought it. LR used to mean heavy duty, long life vehicles - my 27 year old Range Rover is still going strong (- I've had it for 20 years now). I've really loved it, but I'm struggling to find another LR vehicle that doesn't have stupid faults.

My only Land Rover / Jaguar car experience was a Range Rover Velar. It was, hands down, the WORST car ownership experience I have ever endured. Not only down to the faults with the car, of which there were plenty and continuous, but also the after sales experience with the dealership which was just excruciatingly painful. I sold the car at the 6 months mark after almost losing the will to live, and vowed NEVER to own a Land Rover / Jaguar or even set foot in a Land Rover / Jaguar dealership ever again and I warn others to do the same. The brand is a joke.

How or why anyone would buy anything from Lemon Rover is unfathomable to me. I will certainly never have another after owning a Defender many years ago. Once bitten. Thanks for the video.

My other half has had two of the ingeniums from new and put 200k+ on them. Its all about maintenance and regular oil drops. No significant issues on both of the cars.

I've known about problems with these engines for quite a while thanks to O'Rileys the Mobile mechanic on You Tube who has nothing but bad things to say about them . The previous 2.2 engine it seems was quite reliable in comparison and ran up to around 2016 .

I have a Jaguar XF with the 2.0 litre diesel engine. It has 143,000 kilometres and still goes like a rocket.

Amazing that a lawyer firm doesn’t initiate a class action against JLR.

Yep, fella I work with just had to for out £4000 for engine related repairs on his 60,000 miles 2.0 Diesel Jag XE.

I hear this all the time, most recently a 2016 F Pace owner had his 2.0l diesel blow and a replacement engine is required

Long service times on modern vehicles are killing them. It's come to a point that vehicles need oil changes every 6 months or 3000 miles, as it was 50 yrs ago. Even with modern oils, disposable engines seems the way manufacturers think, and let the buyers pay.

I've just moved away from Land Rover after 25 years of ownership. I just don't want to take the risk with them anymore.

Its been like this for years. Its not just the Ingenium engines. The Disco 3, Disco 4, Disco 5, RR sport and the FF Range Rover all suffered Engine Failures due to Crank shafts snapping on the 2.7 and 3.0 tdv6/sdv6 engines.

Just remember that government legislation is in major part driving engine design and that durability is suffering because of this.

I own an F Pace with the 2L Ingenium engine. It's a wonderful engine when working correctly, smooth and powerful, connected to the ZF 8 speed auto box is a joy to drive, but, they do have issues. The oil and filter service must be done religiously at or before 5000 miles. Decent regular journeys of over 60 miles to regenerate the DPF naturally, switch off the stop start, it may contribute to timing chain issues. The 2019 and later models apparently have uprated timing chain kits, if true, the later model the better. This engine hates regular short journeys and extended oil changes. I used a vacuum pump to remove the oil, the filter is on top of the engine, it's a simple job to do yourself, £80 for an oil and filter change every 5000 miles is a price worth paying. Oil dilution is the biggest threat to the engines longevity, diesel is used to increase the temperature of the DPF when regenerating, meaning it attempts to burn off excess soot and ash in the DPF, if the natural regeneration cycle is interrupted , eg, the engine switched off during a regen, excess diesel is washed down into the oil pan, diluting the oil which over time will shred the bottom end bearings and bores, compression is lost, hence, an engine rebuild or change is required. Regular oil changes are part of the answer. They are fabulous engines but need nurturing, the car itself is a joy to drive, but spoiled by always wondering if what's going on under the bonnet is going to result in a huge bill. Such a shame, a great car but with issues .

Got a 3.0 ingeineum Derv. Not missed a beat. I kind of feel that these stories are similar to those who are in accident. Screaming the loudest are usually the least hurt.

My dad has a MK1 and still after watching your buyers guide he still wants a MK2! 😂

21.000 miles oil change recommended on diesel igneium from jlr. No wonder they blow up ,so u get another one😅

Land Rover have form for this. Remember the disastrous K-Series engine in the Freelander 1? They fitted it for 7 years despite knowing it had serious head gasket issues. The Chinese who bought the tooling to make that engine had the problem fixed in a breath. You can get the upgraded parts now. If you really want a Land Rover product then find an older one with the 2.2 diesel in it.

Mainly bought new on PCP finance. So no probs for original owners.

I was looking at a Discovery Sport and started doing a bit of homework on reliability. Sure enough, loads out there about engine, dpf, running gear and cats, all bad. Completely put me off what should be a cracking vehicle.

Best solution in my view is to buy a 2008 era VW with the old 1.9PD diesel engine. Still a few sub 100k cars out there. Then run it to 250,000 miles with basic maintenance.

Make them as cheap as possible and sell them for as much as possible, you'd THINK a manufacture such as Land Rover / Jaguar could get it RIGHT by now, it's utter BS! and should be called out for what it is, just plain utter BS! Not good enough.

Yes and putting the bloody timing chain behind the flywheel a shit design take longer to replace should of gone on the other end of the engine and made simpler to replace

JLR deserve to fail. My wife had a 2015 Discovery Sport, didn’t have any engine issues ( she had the 2.2 Diesel engine which I think is a better engine) but had lots of other annoying faults including a head unit issue which nobody could fix . One JLR specialist reckons that JLR place a 10 year/100,000 miles life expectancy on their engines. Thats pretty grim given how much they cost. My guess is that people will get wise to the issues and stop buying them. We took a £10,000 hit to get rid of her Discovery Sport as we just had no confidence whatsoever in the car. They’re shite as they say up here in Yorkshire 😂

I'm a bit confused and I'm certainly not defending poor design, manufacture or support. Can you comment on the stories on JLR Forums that an upgraded chain/tensioner/guide was introduced in late 2019? And I think this is the 'preventative' item which you briefly mentioned. Obviously this will be standard issue since that date (2019??). So, are the late 2019 and onwards Ingeniums better? Forum complaints suggest so but you still condemn them all unconditionally. And there are many reports on various JLR Forums, usually 2018 and older, though this may be a mileage thing. And some reports look a little odd and it's impossible to know if they are genuine or fabricated. Other than saying "DPF" you don't stress the problems are diesel which is the biggest seller. You don't mention that, based on Forum reports, faults with the petrol Ingeniums seem rare. And, another preventative measure is ignoring stupid JLR oil service intervals and get it done early. This may also help DPF, EGR etc. and the Evoque, I hear, is worst for this. You mention that the timing chain guide is plastic on metal. Can you show me a modern car which isn't? I've seen some other brands which use plastic/composite. What do Toyota use? Umm, didn't they fairly recently recall 100,000 cars for engine work? A bit more fact-checked research is required but I'm certainly not claiming there aren't faults that shouldn't have happened. You give the impression that ALL Ingeniums will blow up 5 miles after you buy one. I'm not a JLR Fan-Boy (I'm a Mazda fan-boy) but please include some realistic provable statistics into this speech.

At least 10 JLR cars in my wider family and close friends. No serious issues but maintenance is done, mostly annually

Aussie here so this is why I don't see any anymore anywhere used to be very popular SUVs here

I’ve had a 2020 Defender from new with the 2l diesel engine and have had zero faults, we have now reached 32000 miles and it’s 3.5 yrs old and going strong. In fact the only issue has been the rear parking sensor which was replaced under warranty. Pentland Perth have been first class, I appreciate that this might be a rarity but would buy another one tomorrow. Motor is a D240 HSE

Agreed, there should be more publicity surrounding the rubbish engines out there, the well known wet belt problems on Ford ecoboost and Citroen/Peugeot 1.2 engines. The problems with Kias especially fires, problems with plastic parts especially BMW as vessels age, and Volkswagen woes. All of these problems seem to slip under the net as people continue to buy them? you wouldn't get away with this with other commodities would you?

Several of my friends own Range Rovers, and I spend a lot of my time running them or picking them up from RR dealers. I wouldn't go near them even if I was given one!

I have a 2012 range Rover evoque 120 k miles 4 door and the charging system comes on stays started for a little while then shuts off I have a new battery and I doubt it's the alternator I was wondering if it could possibly be the axillary battery? I would really appreciate your advice thank you so much and I love the videos

I saw a cut away Ingenium engine at the Gaydon Motor Museum. I could not believe the size of the timing chain which looked like something off a bicycle. Unfortunately its not just JLR products, my wife's Audi TFSI engine has the same timing chain issues. How can technology that's been around for hundreds of years be designed so wrong...?

Currently look to replace my FL2 and Disco Sport not on list due to these issues. What should I get instead?

Just got a 2018 2 ltr petrol LR disco sport, ran fine they said, 3rd cyl misfire, I thought head gasket, when we got it out an exhaust valve had burnt a hole causing the miss. Fixed it fine but should this happen at 50k. Ps did it myself cost me £500 with parts and head skim ect,had to buy timing kit and special spanners . I rang 12 garages only 1 would touch it but wanted to only do rebuild at £4,500. Most garages only want to do the easy stuff now.

Ok,I’ve owned 5 Range Rovers,still driving two,over the last 10 years and I’ve not had a single engine problem.Im in the US and maybe I got the only five decent ones but what the hell is happening? No manufacturer would be dumb enough to purposely build crap but it’s possible

I had an XF with the 3.0 v6 Lion engine in it, it suddenly and unexpectedly put a rod through the block. I did a tin of research and found there were several major design issues with the engine and that failures are frequent. You can buy xf parts for nothing, except a decent used engine will sell for more than a complete car as late model Range Rovers use the same engine. Supply is smaller than demand where so many blow. I will never have a modern Jag ever again, I have had 7, this last one has left a bad taste.

Hey, having a nightmare with my FPace. New rebuild of engine last year, turbo just gone and want another £3.2k for replacement as it’s not part of the engine!!!!!! Not happy 😡 everything on you’re video is 100%

BL, they still look like a Leyland car and still have the same reputation. Owning a LR product must be a sleep depriving experience. Having said that, I owned in the 80s a SIII XJ6 for about eight years and it never let me down, wonderful car.

Happy with my very old Evoque which had the old reliable Ford Engine, i have just told a friend if you buy one second hand, get a older ford one, not the Ingenium.

We ALL need to go back to pushrod V8, inline 6 and 4 cyl. The double overhead cams with timing chain does not have longevity. Its great when healthy, but when stressed..

I saw on one of the Audi channels the manufacturers are reducing some engine oil pressures to help with emissions ie less internal engine drag, Could this in part be the problem with a lot of engines lately? To meet emissions they do stuff not to the benefit of the customer long term.

is it only the 2.0D that has the issues or the petrol to and the 3.0 and 5.0svr ? not buying one, would never buy a JLR, just curious

Most chains have plastic guides. With oil shouldn't be an issue.

It’s like they do it on purpose. I bought a three year old XF, 2.7D and only weeks out of the warranty, the engine ate itself. JLR wanted over £12k to fix it (new engine, new turbos). The cause, as identified by the AA and then confirmed verbally by JLR (they would not put in writing), was the known DPF issue where the DPF blocked and caused diesel to make its way into the engine oil. Common problem which JLR just won’t own. Given that it had already had over £10k of logged warranty repairs, I saw sense and scrapped the car. Full JLR service history. I actually sold it for scrap. JLR were despicable to deal with and their ‘customer service’ department were a bunch of condescending t*&ts.

Rather than use a duplex type timing chain JLR opted to use a single link variant up until 2019 model year on the ingenious… engine. Now JLR recommends two years or 21k miles between services 😳. So the combination of totality degraded oil and an elastic timing chain combined with a plastic tensioner are a disaster in the making. If you have one of these do more regular oil changes and listen out for a momentary rattle on startup unfortunately most JLR customers appear oblivious and keep on driving with the inevitable occurrence.

Thanks for the heads-up! It's really helpful to know about these issues. We sent you an email, take a look.

Are the 3.0 TDI Engines ok ? and are they the same engine as the earlier model ? c2012 TIA

I was told that after November 2019 the chain issue was cured during manufacturing by change in the sprockets and chain quality. 🤷🏻‍♂️. Have to agree with the Honda reliability.

I agree with comments on honda cars, i had a civic type r gt 2010 for over 4 years it never missed a beat, its a shame really becuase the xf & xe are good looking cars

Does anyone know of the actual failure rate of the Ingenium engines? Not disputing that there is an issue, just keen to see the actual metric to separate satisfaction surveys (where JLR always seems to perform poorly vs competitors) from actual reliability. It's a shame, as the new 3.0 inline sixes appear to be performing well in the RRS/RR.

I watch another KZfaq channel in the UK where they only do engine rebuilds. That particular engine keeps their shop busy and prosperous. What a piece of crap 💩!

Why oh why don't these bloggers ever differentiate between the d250 and p300 in their title?. There are 2 different fuel types of Ingenium engine with vastly different reliability profiles

I was on the engine development programme for the 4 cylinder Ingenium engine. I can guarantee that it wasn't designed to fail. I wasn't involved in the timing change sub assembly, so wouldn't be able to comment on that but with regards to the overall reliability, the aim was to be at least as good as Merc, Audi & BM, even if that isn't the case !

Ive had quite a few of these cars... never had an issue at all. Its ok to buy LR and RR and youll be smiling when in the snow youre passing BMWs and Audis thats cant move. (Ive had them too and they are not reliable)

I got a 2016 XE with the ford petrol motor for this reason. I saw there were FB pages dedicated to ingeniums blowing up. Yeesh.

And the Jag AJ6/Aj16 was extremely good.

Bought a discovery sport recently with 140k kms on it.garage did timing chain week i bought it was 2500 euro with a gearbox oil change.we wernt charged for it but gave us the receipt from jlr to show it was done.

LDV g10 diesels also have the plastic timing chain guide set-up and guess what ... Plus EGR & turbo waste gate drive issues , but no problem , ya dealer will sell & install a new turbo to fix the unit ( $300 and 10 minute job for the actuator which these a - holes won't sell separately or $7000 ++ for a new turbo sir ! ) Chinese van / European design ; what could possibly go wrong ?

I don't live in the UK and have a Disco Sport with the 2.0 Ingenium petrol. Has anyone heard of problems with the petrol too?

Just this wk one of my customers appeared in a brand new Range Rover Sport - it was a courtesy car. His brand new defender 130 has a leaking sun roof.

Why do LR and others put the timing chain on the transmission side of the engine?

Unfortunately many people especially women know nothing about mechanics. They want modern tech and soft plastics lol

I had a V8 XF, brilliant car but the experience at the dealership was dreadful. I now have a Toyota and will never go back to JLR.

So just a heads up almost all timing chains use a plastic guides. Even hondas which absolutely do last much longer. Not saying its a good engine by any means tho

I hate this throwaway society and it's all geared to buying new rather than making old last. I've got a 20yo Volvo and will keep that going as long as I can. This vile attitude of not caring is not only car manufacturers but also any service or brand it seems too. And the planned obsolescence is a fact - a pergect example are all these ridiculous 3 cylinder turbo engines that even Ford has admitted are only designed to last 100k. It's pathetic. Great video

i was thinking of getting a 3.0 v6 diesel f pace ?

Does this only affect the diesels?

Good engines if you change the oil at 5k intervals. Do not change your oil at 20k intervals. Timing chains are supposed to be ok from about 2018MY.

Its not the plastic guides its the upper timing chain stretchs then wrecks the guides they put lighrer chains on the engine to get the emissions down

is the 2.0 petrol one ok?

Just got mine back yesterday after an 8k rebuild after timing chain failure at 32000 miles shocking how Land Rover are getting away with this

I know some one with Land Rover Evoque petrol no bother with it and yet I do believe the diesel unit is a poor engine and suffers a lot of big failures and at big costs, good tip on the Land Rover diesel engine, don't buy one, take care

Having dealt with JLR in the past and with around seven vehicles from the company over the years, I agree that this company’s products should be avoided at all costs. Fine vehicles but not built durable enough and with far too many potentially catastrophic faults. Worse, the company ethos when it comes to warranty and product support is dire and sometimes bordering on criminal. Customer care and retention is alien to them. Given even half an opportunity they will shaft you when their poor design or build results in a fault, even within the warranty period. For my sins I have been shafted by them several times when I should have learnt the first time.

Landover job creation shocking and disgraceful.

They had a big launch of that ingenium engine at the time in the xe

I would personally avoid buying a any car with a modern diesel. I bought a used Mazda CX5 Skyactiv diesel - worst engine with all the common issues. Older diesels ran for years - I agree why don’t manufactures build long lasting products - much better use of resources.

No different to every other car engine then.

Yes well to me mate they are just status symbols because those brands went down the drain a long time ago after that Indian company Tata bought out Jaguar and Land Rover (known as JLR now) and frankly any Indian and Chinese made vehicles are so second rate now - built as cheaply as possible. To me the manufacture of vehicles in those countries is sub UK and certainly European standards and a sad indictment of the failure of the original companies to manage their companies in any way including quality products, and the crazy fact that those workers in those companies could not see the writing on the wall regarding their demands for more money in their pockets, and therefore not justifying the companies retaining them for their jobs. It remains a fact that workers in those other countries have to and do work for far less than those in the UK and yet those UK workers just buried their heads in the sand and hoped for the best. Furthermore those dealers should be sunjected to some scrutiny by a governmental body over their business practices because of their ongoing money grabbing way of selling those brands of cars.

You mention consumer rights act as if this is blanket solution to getting your money back. Ironically, a judge *may* well accept that with so much information available on the Internet about their reliability, a consumer *should* be prepared for this type of failure. Also, mileage covered since ownership is significant. Depends on the judge, on the day, however. Precisely the same reason a 3rd party warranty won't cover those mentioned faults.

My Dads had his 2015 RR Sport Diesel for 3 years and it hasnt missed a beat. Serviced on the dot every year, covers only 5k per annum and hasnt had one single issue with the car. If they were all that bad then you wouldnt see them on our roads. Fact is they are everywhere and I wont believe that they are as unreliable as people say. OK, abuse them, neglect servicing etc then yes you will be asking for trouble but look after them and they will treat you well.

Sorry to change the subject but my 20 year old diesel car (Peugeot 407, 91k)has only needed routine servicing along with frictions in its life. New cars just don’t cut it for me! JLR simply a money pit.

Ever tried doing proper maintenance? The suggested oil change intervals are way too far apart - I do blame the manufacturers for that, but they are all at it. Look after them properly and they’re ok. Also people don’t under the need to re generate the DPFs and just do short journeys ignoring the DPF warning. I’ve done over 100,000 trouble free miles. Also nearly every engine has plastic guides on its timing chain you muppet!! BMW, Audi Merc. Check your facts instead of reiterating the ill informed KZfaq claptrap just to get views. How many years have you been a qualified mechanic and how many engines have you rebuilt??? By the way Jaguar no longer exists in any real form.

Who would have thought 20k plus oil change intervals would lead to engine failure lolol, I blame the Customers as much as the Manufacturers for wanting this BS.

The main problem with JLR is penny pinching Indian owners of the company and of course another reason is that they are made in the Midlands and that says it all just look at poorly built Rovers and BMW Mini's 😂

Great content/info “ people still buy this brand they think it’s reliable like the early years 60s70s 👎

Now that these cars have been moved to India for the complete manufacturing, they are owned by Tata of India. India will now take the blame for any issues and the businesses will suffer to the point of insolvency. I owned the L405 I learned from snooping yhe famous meridian stereo was nothing more that" FoMoCo" stamped all over the eqiptment. FORD makes most of the parts. Ala Navigator.

You’re talking about plastic pushers on distribution like JLR invented them. All manufacturers use them 😁. Whatever problems the Ingenium engine has, you’ll find the same with Merc, BMW and the VAG group…

2018 F-pace 20d 65,000 miles oil changed every 7k- engine failed :(

Honda & Toyota , Nothing Else.😊

You should be criminally convicted for arson if you buy a JLR after the Luton airport fire in incident

idiots wasting money on cars like this. just do as i have done. just bought a brand new toyota aygo. have 200k in investments making a small fortune instead of throwing money away on a car . nobody should be buying any luxery item if they still have a mortgage anway. pay your house off first. then invest your cash. then maybe buy a flash car

Land Rover are not the manufacturer that they once were. I have also heard many stories where they have not supported their customer base after purchasing one of their vehicles. Also, I just want to add as a sidenote, Jaguar are not the manufacturer that they once were either. I have to say, Both these manufacturers are a big insult to what they used to be.

Wouldn't you even recommend a car where the engine has recently been changed?

Seems like all their engines have fatal flaws. They sourced one from BMW more recently, JLR modified it and they have been failing in testing, JLR don't care and sell it anyway.

Why are people buying these cars??? Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity