Classic Roglic response: "Because why not eh? No risk, no glory. It was good huh?"

I for once always loves when a GC rider comes out guns blazing no matter how small the possible gain might be

Despite the risks and potentially small reward, the psychological blow to the dropped GC riders is a good enough reason I think. And in the end the gap was quite decent

As I commented on the LRCP, Roglic is a swashbuckler in the truest sense. That means sometimes he is doing incredible things and salvaging victory (Basque Country Stage 6) or sometimes falling down while trying to swing from a chandelier (see any of the pictures of his torn shorts and bandages). He rides on instinct, he wants to win, and he is quoted as saying he doesn't know some things about bike racing and they tell him what to do. They probably DID tell him what to do, and they have been telling him so far this Vuelta, but Roglic decided to stop listening and strike out. I really don't think he wants to change, nor do I think the TJV can change him - we as fans get to go for the ride. Sometimes we're in awe, sometimes we're shaking our heads at something awful.

1:06 "Absolutely, you should do that later". Someone get the popcorn, it's a salty one today 😂😂😂😂

42 - 10 = 22 ? Tbf to Roglic that lead went max out to 40 and on the descent was about 20 seconds when he crashed. Love the highlights tho

That's why I like Roglic. Sometimes he doesnt calculate but go with his intuition. Sometimes it fails, sometimes it works. Definitely he is not boring rider. You never know when he will crash :D

Maybe Roglic just felt he has the legs today and want to try to put some pressure on the other GC guys, in the end Bernal and Yates did lose time to Roglic and Kuss.

I think Roglic's move today is far more oriented towards breaking strategic opponents like INEOS by putting in another 36 seconds into Yates and Bernal where fighting against both of them is an unpleasant proposition if he hasn't got 3 or 4 minutes up his sleeve which he now does.

I respect the hustle, Primoz. Keep pushing on, my guy!

Why not huh!?!

Rog caught Yates napping. Honestly Yates is the only GC player looking capable of putting in an attack to drop him in the mountains so that 30 secs is huge. Mas and Haig will just be happy to podium so no real threat.

CAR CONVO: "Boss... should I risk it all on this descent?" "Uhhh... why not, eh?"

Another disc brake lock up. Dura ace disc plus high speed plus 25mm tire at 120psi on a low spoke count wheel...what could possibly go wrong!

Oh man , what a great pronunciation. Local spaniard names arent easy but you nail it!! Conquering each stage mate! Congrats, sincerely from Spain.

That’s such an hilarious piece of commentary with Rogelic at the team car. Honestly made me laugh out loud at home.

Rogla's attack was borderline thermonuclear and not even he could avoid the fallout

Just subscribed. This channel is so good. It is difficult to get coverage of the Vuelta in the UK, so Lanterne Rouge fills that gap. What makes it even better is the technical analysis is soooo freaking awesome. ... And for what it is worth, I did not understand why Roglic put himself at risk with all the crashing he has done this year. A bit of a wally.

I didn’t like seeing Mas telling superman to slow down. Instead of reaching for his radio he could’ve reached for his drops. Roglic is brilliant with his attack so confident, crash didn’t effect anything. It’s long game messaging.

Proper analysis here. Keep up the good work. 👍

"got him on a song" boy how i love that saying. LOVE IT for real.

Hey LR. Thanks for your coverage of this Vuelta so far; if you can believe it, you have now become the preeminent voice in World Tour commentary. As far as Roglic's crash, that guy just likes to race, and he made a mistake, but I have to respect his game. All love from LB.

LR you need to move even further west so you can be ahead of the time in Europe and upload earlier

This is why Roglic is exciting to watch. Brilliant rider.

Risky... Roglic enjoys showing cheek in Grand Tours

Another LTR upload, is another day smiling

Disc brake rear wheel lockup bruh

You can't blame Roglic for his attack, we've seen so many stages in all the big tours where it was just a controlled race. On top of that, I think the psychological impact on its opponents may be higher than the real result (time).

Primož is a legend

another case of rear diskbrake locking when cornering on a fast descent causing rear tyre to skid .. no pothole this time .. lol !!

I think it was a great move. If he did not crash he would won like 30 seconds.. Knowing the difference last year it was a smart move,

mate, you got times wrong; on the top of the climb in was 19 sec and in was going up on descend; I was watching the Vuelta race center page

At 3:24 when LR mentions cost-benefit, I was hoping for LR's basic spreadsheet analysis. 10/10 those numbers don't lie.

You can see the change in camber on the road, enough to lose traction where he crossed. Really unlucky.

I think he could have kept the 20 seconds easily. He is a brilliant time trialist and Mas is not good downhill. I also think that this is the reason he attacked. Gaining time on Mas, who looks strong this year.

Another series of bad takes in hindsight. It was a legit Roglič move for more reasons than one. Luckily the comment section is on better form atm and some are already mentioned. The “math“ is all over the place as well. Roglič had some 13s at the top and well over 20s at the moment he crashed. Mas was in trouble from the start of decent bc he is bad at it and Roglič knows it. Without a crash Roglič would take at least 30s on Mas which is more than first 9 stages combined. Nicholas Roach estimated 40s to a minute depending on coop btw Haig and Mov.. Roglič enjoyed his move and was exuberant at the finish despite the crash. Maybe podcasters can take a joy lesson..

Seems like he maybe got spooked in the corner and braked a little too hard and locked up his rear wheel

Roglic possibly could've gained as many seconds on tomorrow's finish as he could've with today's attack. Now I don't know about tomorrow's finish.

i think he was trying to pull the gap on the descent. Mas is really bad on descents and thats probably why he attacked. Could be more than 30 seconds at the end at least to mas. We all remember stage 19 in TDF 2018 when he got 20 seconds on the group behind.

Roglic can only achieve arousal via road rash and he'll thank you not to fetish shame him

I think Roglic wanted to put pressure on Mas by making him chase downhill, since Mas is known to struggle there. Mas is the only legit GC threat left.

Your back wheel doesn't break traction because of dust, that's a brake lock

The mistake is to take the descent a little too crazy. Dropping everyone uphill is hardly a blunder

Chris Horner said anyone that has basic knowledge of that area knows that the decent will be loaded with dust and its greasy. I recon Mas was well prepared to make sure he got to the bottom in one piece.

What on earth was Narváez doing in the breakaway? He knows Bernal, Yates and Carapaz are not in their best days.

He got Ineos by surprise dropping Egan abd Carapaz was well done but should have taken off the gas on the decent and been fine to get caught by Mas

I agree with the analysis, little gain here today for the risk taken which could have ended his campaign. If the gap was much much closer and there was a chance of retaining the red jersey then it would be justified else a more conservative approach was warranted to set up for future stages.

his seated power is incredible primoz looks like a bugatti just flooring the accelerator so much core strength. Storer has really capitalized on bardets flattering comments about his engine by going on to win 4 stages(i think) now seems to be unique look forward to seeing him develop seems pretty malleable like someone who would make a great SD or leader maybe hes cagey. I really think roglic was restless with profile and his strengths I can see the temptation, still ill advised, but I loved every part except the crash and glad he looked ok its still a fall but didn't hit hard more slid out and didn't look like he lost much skin. Just hope rest and recovery isn't disrupted its actually a blessing he lost red today less press he can just focus on recovery and plan appropriately. Been great race.

Great Vuelta this year.... But I have a non related question, Marc Hirschi since the 2020 Tdf haven't seen much of him. Will he be in the same level again?

Tis slip causing disc brake no abs… as always rim brake is better

Chris Horner lived in that area says the descent is oily dusty technical and slippery not a descent to race down. Perhaps JB and Roglic were not aware of that?

He may not have change much with the Mas and Lopez, but her sure put the hurt on the Ineos boys. Another day, another dominant performance.Self belief is key in bike racing and he's gradually taken Bernals away. I suspect Yates is in the same boat now as well.

4:18 I think he couldn't make the corner anymore without braking so he brakes and that gets him in imbalance

42 - 10 = 22 ... that's lawyer's maths right there :-D

The attack on the hill shutdown attacks from other minor riders against him and Sepp Kuss brilliant tactics, following through on the downhill, not so good. But overall still good tactics, JV didn't have to shutdown one twos from Movistar or Ineos so the tactic was solid, lead from the front and let everyone else fight among themselves, which ultimately cracked Bernel so a good payout.

1:15 Grischa Niermann gave his OK for risking it all

Christian VandeVelde and Bob Roll were also saying "WTF??", regarding Roglic's aggressive descending!

The problem wasn't the attack (which looked like a test) but pushing the descent. I agree LR: see who is on form and who doesn't come back, and then chill the descent.

Looks to me like he knows he's gonna overshoot the corner and grabs a bit too much break and locks his back wheel up

Last week I had a dream Roglic crashed at Vuelta and since then I've been watching the stages nervously. I'm sad for his crash but also relieved all that nervousness has ended and I can finally enjoy watching Vuelta again. You ask what do we think about Roglic's attack. I absolutely love it. He acts like a true leader and his attack imho was actually a pretty good idea, since we all know he's really good at the descents. He'd probably gain about 40 seconds had he not crashed. Well, shit happens, and as he said himself: "No risk, no glory".

Both broadcast called it before it happen, in the US Christian Vanda Velde said there's no reason to push it that hard, the Red Jersey can't go down in this situation. Less than a minute later, Roglic is down!

Roglic imitating Pogacar, puttin' time onto them to have a easy 3rd week while the riders from the rest of the top 10 attack each other

yeah, unless you're like a prime Nibali, it's hard to gain time on a descent, especially if a group is behind you, because a group descending is invariably quicker than a solo rider descending.

Roglic stay in one piece mate😂😂

Has Roglic used that handlebar stem set up a lot in the past? I just noticed it today and I don’t think he was using it in all of the previous stages??

Could not believe what I was watching when he attacked! Why Rog why!

At 4:05, please note that 42 - 10 = 32, not 22...

I reckon they let the gap to the break grow to over 9 minutes with the intention of forcing the other GC teams to chase, thereby burning their men and opening the possibility of the attack. It was further incentivized by the preventive pace the Grenadiers were setting on the climb. I think the gap would have been bigger as he was putting time on the downhill thanks to Mas, and then López would have been the one doing most of the work

In the end the crash might have actually helped! Put him back into the Lopes group and ended up gaining time and didn't burn himself out! Roll on the next stage.

Good video, but I don’t think you showed the crash enough times 😉

I mean, Roglic probably had some good legs and wanted to attack. Personally don't think that it was such a bad move either, because, yes he probably wouldn't gain that much time to the favourites in general, but he certainly tested and cracked a good amount to those guys that didn't have the legs that day, like Bernal and Yates. For me it's always about testing your competitors when you have great legs even if there isn't a great chance of a time gain.

All good fun

Primoz Roglic is my God. I pray to Primoz Roglic every day!

What a strange crash. He didn’t even look like he was going into the corner too hot. The line looks great, the speed looks under control, and there’s not a visible crack on the surface of the road like when Valverde crashed. He’s just unlucky

I don't know wether Bernal was drop or he waited for Yates....then again why Bernal would wait for Yates if he is up on GC...I'm confused ther because we could see Bernal looking back when he was still in gropu with Lopez,Mas,Haig and Kuss.

...he didn't crash out...he's still in the race.

I've rarely been so conflicted about a move in my life. My heart is like PRIMOZ YES but my head is like PRIMOZ NO!

Finally

Again !! Bro !!

I think Ineos will come back to live in the hard third week, I hope

He killed off Ineos, who have depth. Only Movistar left. Haig was not expecting to be GC and probably will be underdone in 3rd week. Well done Storer though. Similar to O'Connor at Giro last year.

Torn clothes and bandages are Rog's fetish. Great move imo. Showed them who's boss. Then the crash. Lol

Why rog ? Why ???

I'm new to road cycling. I'm interested in race mechanics. Why did the GC riders gave big time to the breakaway? Why roglic ain't worried losing the red to O.C. Eiking and G. Martin? Hope i could get answers.

Another disc brake lock up

I lovet

Vuelta over for Ineos. Haig looking strong.

Here's my argument for Primoz attacking the climb (but STILL should have eased up on the downhill after the climb). The goal is NOT substantial gain on Mas and Lopez, which as you say is impossible. Yes. letting Eiking finish 10 or 12 minutes ahead is great, yes it's great to lose the red jersey and 2 minute GC lead. But allowing Eiking to extend the gap for maybe a six or seven minute or greater GC lead going forward would put added pressure on Jumbo for later stages. So if in this stage at the time Primoz did his attack, Inneos and Movistar were showing Jumbo, "we are not working, you Jumbo have to work alone the rest of the way to stop Eiking building unlimited gain, then with a little effort on the climb Primoz could make other GC contenders wake up and chase him, and break up the GC contender peleton, collect with the fewest survivors possible (in this case only Mas Lopez Haig) and use the rest of the stage with now motivated Mas and LOpez to distance and start the burial ceremony of Bernal/Yates and others) AND keep Eiking in comfortable distance. Attacking on the climb did work to drop Inneos, now Prfimoz just needed to play it safe on the downhill to consolidate with with Mas and Lopez to push the gap on the others the rest of the ride.

So Roglic gave almos 40 seconds to Bernal and Yates, the 2 rivals that can come close to him in the TT. Why was it a bad move again?

Roglic's entire history has been voracious - winning everything that he possibly can and always pressing his advantage - at time to his own detriment. Is it possible that the team DS convinced him that he HAD to be more conservative in the first week to win and now that we are in the second week, he is back to his old ways - I feel stronger so I am going to go and crush my rivals period.

Lol absolutely good idea.

6:30 freeze that frame. One can see the road surface is all cracked. Very likely the cause of the slide.

I fear Ineos won't podium this year. They put 2 riders in the break instead of protecting their leaders. 😕

4:07 how is this 22 seconds? :) Jokes aside, he did win 30+ seconds on the Ineos boys, so it's a win isn't it? Yes, he didn't gain time on the guy by Movistar but he did gain time on the Ineos guys. I think the attack was good, it's much better than them just riding to the finish together and with no gaps and no entertainment.

... when ur running with ''elderly people'' sometimes u just wana BREAK OUT 🚀🚀🚀

The reason he crashed gets clear if we watch it a few times. He picked the wrong line and then thought he was on rim brakes and his hands used rim force BUT he was hydro dura ace and anyone who has ridden shimano hydro long enough can tell you the braking is inconsistent in the heat. Combine that with high speed, 10 days of racing fatigue, 25mm tubular at 120psi and a bit of southern Spain dusty roads and he is lucky that 8kg bankers S5 didnt brake in half along with his collar bone. Like Valverde if he was on rim he most likely would have saved it as the wheel would not have locked up so easy. These 'brake and slide' crashes are so common now. UCI needs to step in and ban hydro disc for road. Discs are ok for noobs who dont ride this fast and hard and who typically run fatter tires and lower pressures. Fun fact: DSM are using ex Team Sky cars left over from the 2014 Tour Of Romania. DB put them up cheap on fleabay.

Роглич на вираже тормозил задним тормозом... Это ошибка чайника. Только передним нужно тормозить!

I mean this is an absolute fine move if you hold it together on the descent only with Roglic having real problems there I also don't like it. Man he needs to get some serious training in there. I mean he could've crested the Mount Ventoux probably one a a half minutes before Pogacar maybe more on a great day on this years tour. But with descending like this you wont get much out of your climbing. You need to have this as at least not as weakness being a GC rider.

He crashed Cuz he is using disc brakes and disc brakes lock up , there is no anti lock feature , disc brakes suck

I think the attack made by Roglic was justified because racing isn’t predictable. Yes, with hindsight we can see it wasn’t a great move; more risk than reward. But a different scenario could have just as easily have developed if he didn’t crash - perhaps the chasing group of GC riders don’t work well together and the gap for Roglic actually increases. Or maybe he never attacks but there’s a crash anyway because someone touches wheels. Or maybe because Roglic attacked it prevented one of the other GC riders from attacking which perhaps could have cut into his lead. My point is that racing isn’t as predictable as, “if X doesn’t happen then Y would have.” Roglic read the race, made a move, and in this instance it didn’t work out but maybe next time it will.