I would also make an argument for Confederate clone wars era fleets being lost in deep space as the shutdown went into effect with no organic in sight.

I legit never thought about what would've happened to the Rakatan fleets after their fall. That's brilliant and I'm stealing it

Since most of modern star wars technology was reverse-engeniered from rakatan tech it is possible that these fleets were brought to the republic and taken appart.

I actually made some lore similar to this awhile back; the Automatic Conquest Corps of Agorander. This was made for a Star Wars role-play forum called SWRP, and was basically my attempt to improve on Xim the Despot, as he wasn't back in canon when I made it. Basically, Agorander was was sort of a cross between Alexander the Great, Napoleon Bonaparte and the Borg. He was a near-prehistoric human conqueror who lived long before the Old Republic was founded, he ruled a vast swath of territory in the Galactic Southeast, which he conquered through his own military genius, and through the use of technology which would not be seen again for many millennia. In SWRP's fanon, his empire was among the first Galactic powers to build and deploy a droid army, although he went further than some of his successors, creating an entire integrated droid military including ground and space forces. The combined Automatic Conquest Corps (ACC) included automated infantry, vehicles and warships ("battlerockets") that were superior to almost anything Agorander's few rivals could field against them. Of course, Agorander was invincible at the head of such an army, and as dictators are want to do, his power eventually drove him mad. By the time the worlds of his empire began to enter open revolt, he was a centuries-old cyborg who had long ago interfaced his brain with a giant battle computer, with which he directly controlled his entire military. This central control worked great, until one of his few remaining organic officers took a fire axe to the network cables linking him to the world beyond his throne room. How this became a Lost Fleet scenario is that after their central control computer was disconnected, the various ACC fleets in the field went into autonomous mode. Without Agorander, they could not be recalled or shut down, so they started rampaging more or less at random. Their self-repair subroutines held out a surprisingly long time, and so for several centuries, planets across the Galaxy could wake up to an army of ancient battle droids ravaging their planet in the name of an empire which was long dead. This continued until a fleet headed by the Jedi and the fledgling Republic hunted down what they believed were the last of the ACC fleets, apparently ending the threat. Of course, they aren't all gone. The Jedi and the Republic failed to find some of the ACC fleets, which retreated into unknown space. Rumor has it that they wait out in the darkness between the stars, or that they continue their pointless conquests in regions which the civilized Galaxy has never seen...

It would be interesting to hear your take on Star Wars technology stagnation, and whether or not you agree with the assessment that Star Wars has had little technological progress throughout the eras.

Always loved the katana fleet story

Ah, admiral, you are back, how were your travels? Well... I... Lost something... What did you loose, admiral? ...just... The entire fleet...

Interesting that you bring up the Rakatan fleet. It does make sense that there'd be stranded Rakatan ships out there, and it's certainly something that could be expanded on. However, odds are that they'd have been in pretty bad shape due to micrometeroites and similar stuff after floating around for a few thousand years.

I feel like the black fleet crisis could fall under this category. I know most ppl don't like those books, but I personally do. I love new republic stories and older star wars material in general, it's so nostalgic to me. Corey, u sound like u have alittle Canadian in you!

yup your dead on corey there should be fleets of ship missing. Even if some where broken down and scraped by the former slave races there would never be able to find them all if they never found the star forge in the early years, surprised the sith didn't have a mad evil on for all the lost ships.

Regarding a comment about technology stagnation in Star Wars, I think it progressed. And I think it leaped ahead in times of cold war and war. Granted, fundamental technologies like hyperspace and shielding largely didn't change, but they certainly were refined; not sure one can go faster than tens of thousands times the speed of light, for example. But, hyperdrives (and shielding) became more efficient, more reliable, and highly miniaturized, to the point where extremely small craft were outfitted with the tech. Tractor tech followed the same improvements as hyperdrives and shielding; some TIEs were outfitted with tractor beams. Gravity wells were introduced and refined. TIE fighters were continually upgraded, from the LN to the Defender, to Ren's craft. Cloaking technology was introduced and refined. Both the Republic and the Empire had weapons labs that introduced massive tech to destroy planets, commit bio war, etc.

From my "Reading between the lines" I would guess that somewhere between one third to a full half of their fleet was probably in orbit around rebellious worlds and were therefore destroyed. But likely the rest of them were lost out in the void between the stars. Or even worse, lost in hyperspace, unable to return to normal space.

Great video Corey! I think this was much better than some of your other recent videos, you seemed to be more relaxed with your narration and it was enjoyable to listen to! As for your Rakatan theory, I think it makes sense. Considering how we always talk about galaxy spanning factions in Star Wars, it's easy to assume most of the galaxy is mapped, but in reality I think it's clear that much of the galaxy would still be largely unknown to its inhabitants because of the sheer size of space there is on a galactic scale. Thus unless some group with access to Rakatan records went around and destroyed all their tech - then likely even by the legacy era there were likely abandoned ships and ruins waiting to be found. Though it's also likely that anything of use would long since be obsolete and non-functional.

I love that infinite empire fleet theory and I fully agree with you on it as well.

I think that the different factions in Star Wars should have invested more in slave rigging. Not to the same level as the Katana Fleet, mind. Having a fleet designed so that a single ship can send the entire fleet in some random direction or crashing into each other is just asking for trouble. Rather, I'm thinking of ways to reduce the organic crew required for warships. After all, organic crew are expensive. They must be born, raised, educated, recruited, trained, equipped, housed, fed, bathed, paid, etc. All of that costs money, much of it being the Government's money. If we assume, for sake of argument, that a single crewer is paid similarly to military personnel of the World War II United States (the ISD-1 cost approximately 150 million credits while the Iowa Class cost about $100 million per ship. It's not perfect but roll with it for now) even the cheapest crewer (that being a Crewman fresh out of training) would cost around 50 credits per month, with more experienced NCOs costing as much as 207 credits per month. And then even the most junior officer will cost around 150 credits per month, with higher ranking officers costing as much as 670 credits per month. A not insignificant chunk of change, needless to say, even for a single ship. So any way to reduce those costs on a per ship or even on an overall basis would likely be quite worthwhile. And there are the maintenance costs to be considered. Ships won't be on patrol forever. They will need to conduct port visits for resupply and refit, where their crews will require shore leave and berthing. All of that costs money (the wages of the contractors and military personnel crewing the stations, the upkeep costs of the stations, shuttles, and other equipment and vehicles, the costs of shipping personnel and equipment from training facility or manufactory to the station, etc.) which, of course, must be raised by taxing the population. The population is only willing to be taxed so far and there are many other programs to attend to, after all. Sorry about the wall of text. I just really think that ways to reduce crew costs would be beneficial to the Galaxy.

I thought you might have included the Black Fleet. Not actually lost, but....

This is a good one; I'm gonna have to come back and read through the comments. Unfortunately, since the most recent is 9mo old, chamces are no one will see this to answer my question; nonetheless: When a ship enters into hyperspace, as in the fleet of dreadnaughts, and assuming: a - the sane captain never entered destination coordinates; and b - he, and every other infected survivor, happens to die while IN hyperspace; would the fleet remain in hyperspace forever, even if they're 'not moving' (ie, ran out of fuel)? Or would they eventually drop out of hyperspace on their own, after the fleet runs out of resources? That is, once a craft is IN hyperspace, does it take energy to REMAIN in hyperspace? My guess, since the fleet was recovered with all ships accounted for within the same region, the insane captain DID enter destination coordinates. It would be the unlikeliest of coincidences they all 'ran out of gas' at precisely the same time.

2:00 From how it's described I imagined them being in formation. Like being on 5 levels and all perfectly on those levels and all facing the exact same way.

Would certain parts of the Black Six fleet count? Since Pride of Yevetha/Intimidator was only found years later as a wreck.

I've wondered the exact same thing about the rakata for yrs, whether it be if a small colony of theirs survived, or as corey said a ship or perhaps fleet of ships out there in the galaxy just laying dormant. I'd love to see a story bring them back in canon ams the finding of a ship would be a decent introduction.

I mean there are pieces of rakatan technology that survived the empire's downfall like the starforge or the foundry and an unknown third star forge (although we don't know if it actually survived). So I think it's most likely that there are hidden pockets of rakatan ships somewhere in the galaxy.

There are a few other lost fleets in star wars, some with incredible amounts of firepower.

I do think there is the possibility of a few Rakatan ships still being out there though I think it is likely most of them got destroyed.

There may be Rakatan ships left to be found. But they would only be of value to collectors and museums. While the Republic, Hutts, and Xim were able to somehow invent a functioning Hyperdrive from captured Rakatan ships - the Rakatan ships would be unable to travel FTL, since each ship was powered by more Force users than exist in the Galaxy after Order 66. At the height of the New Jedi Order, One Sith Order, and Lost Tribe, there were not enough Force users to be found in the galaxy to power more than one or two ships. And how are you going to capture and restrain them all long enough to make that happen? Beyond that, their ships were not overwhelmingly more powerful than the Settled Worlds fighters and cruisers. So their shields and weaponry would be horribly outdated compared to the Sith Empire or Old Republic in the same era. And the Galactic Empire, New Republic, or Galactic Alliance would be able to take on the entire remaining Rakatan fleet with a single capital ship and its starfighter support.

Most likely the Infinite Empires ships would have drifted into an inhabitable system. Considering the time difference, the abundance of star systems in the galaxy, and how populated it is. It begs to argue, did someone salvage those fleets and never told anyone. Ancient ships were most likely found in the outer rim and the population would most likely see these ships as a treasure chest of resources. Same for the pius dea fleets. I can imagine some Clone Wars era junk merchant finding these ships and pondering “how much money can I scrap these things for?” Unlike the katana fleet the older lost fleets are perfect for that. Outdated, unwanted, very weak in defenses or arms, and way too much to modify to get working. Perfect scrap!

Ok I just going put this idea out are we 100% the star destroyer are ISD 1 in legends Tector class star destroyer are just the some as ISD just no starfighter hanger. In the battle of endor "canon" one was at endor the Harbinger but canon dos not give info on it. The tie daggers are sienar-jaemus fleet systems. What we can see of the under side of the ships the weapon are over the hangers so how do the ship launch and recovered fighters

These ships look more like BattleStar Galactica than Star Wars

The Rakata needs to be canon

Star wars builds cathedral ships Imperium of man. Are. You challenging me

You forgot the Eternal Fleet.

In rises of skywalker if you look at the star destroyer have a red on them so like the old republic's venator class and all the ship in the republic navy back in the clone wars and all of them look to be isd ones so what about palpatine have them send to the unknown doing the clone wars as a back up plan if the jedi find out about him, Dooku turn on him or the emperor military/ Darth Vader turn? Look doing the war Palpatine have a good bit of power so having secret fleet build and look up around the galaxy is that hard to do. Telling the galaxy that this ship is being sent here and having it be attack and destroy on the way but having it sent to a secret planet. He is good at making plans and long term one at that.

hello corey!

What about the Eternal Fleet from legends? Or is this Disney-canon only?

sounds reasonable that there are random rakatan fleets floating around out there........................ummm ill be RIIIIGGGGHHHT back