If anyone hadn’t figured it out yet, that layered sealant Yvan was referring to was zaino.....and I remember those days with people bragging in their forum signatures how many layers they had applied lol

The Rag Company made me a believer of ONR, P&S BeadMaker, and waffle weave towels. Keep up the great work Levi! God Bless and continued prayers for your success!+

I remember when I first applied Opti-Coat for the first time back in 2012. I put a small circular high spot on my windshield where it didn't obstruct my vision but the wipers still hit to test it's durability. 5 years and 80k later when I sold the car, the spot was still there as fresh as the day I applied it. If that's not a testament to it's strength then I don't know what is. I still have some left that will be going on my new (to me) vehicle this Spring. If you're on the fence, this stuff is the real deal and the only permanent coating like it.

Best Video on KZfaq will share now. There's so much information out there but happy I found this one.

Nice to look at the mechanics and chemistry of the solvents and attributes that wouldn't usually get much exposure. Good chat.

some companies recommend seal, glaze then wax in that order, whats ur feeling on that? do u do recommend clay,seal,and wax after coating?

Thanks for sharing wonderful knowledge. its a TIGHT SLAP on a face of thugs who bluffs there customers about layerings. In my country there is trend at lot of car detailing centers where they sell there services by layering the products. i was first victim of such bluff marketing when i was a customer...when i started my own business...i tried to explain alot to my customers the truth about layering...many people would not believe me & i used to loose customer even...i made practical test..showed them the results...lesser my service charges and quality i gave premium results...so after a hard battle again my business is on track and my customers had become my consumers. now this video link i can share with lot my clients & new customers as proof of correct knowledge. I AM SAD THIS OPTI COAT PRODUCTS NOT AVAILABLE IN MY COUNTRY...some day i would bring for my customers.

You mean 925 coats of Zaino is a waste of time LOL. OPT for the win! Enjoyed the video.

Excellent discussion gents! Thank you!

Finally another DETALKS!!!!!!

These series are a treasure ...

When can you know if your sealant is at the end of its life if you top the sealant with a wax? if after say 6 months of the sealant being applied and being topped up with wax every once in a while dyou need to strip down the paint in order to reapply sealant? thanks

So wait, a professional retailer did a very nice first wax on our new Tesla 3. What should we do now at home, wax after four months, or clean and remove the layers? Nice discussion, thanks!

So, how about the drying aid process, should you use optiseal, or the wax with every wash ?

I like when you guys get together! Optimum's polymer technology is #1in my book!

This is the most informative video on the subject on KZfaq.

fantastic advice - will now review whether O use Fusso sealant followed by R222 Carnuba wax ...... please what do you think ? ok to do ? synergies here or not ?

I have ceramic coating (2 yr) on my car. Will a booster or wax be best? After 2 years how do I re-coat with ceramic coating?

Hello, I was wondering if it's fine to add a ceramic coating like cquartz UK 3.0 to my car but it came with a "permaplate" which is some sort of paint sealent would it be fine to just add it or would I have to find a way to remove this "permaplate".

THANK YOU . OOOPPPSSS. I was putting multi layers on . live and learn AND SAVE MONEY . Now I know one will do..

What if you use a wash n wax deatailer and then a regular wax after a wash

can i apply a wax like autoglym hd was over a ceramic coat or any type of wax over a ceramic coat ?

I have a sealant over my new Honda Si. How long before do I wait to wax it?

Can I top off turtle wax seal and shine over kenzo 10h ceramic coating?

Wolfgang says their Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 is a water based sealant and that it can be layered. I clayed my car last December and then applied 2 layers of Wolfgang a few days apart. Anyone know if Wolfgang sealant is able to be layered for sure? Forums seem to say people add a 2nd coat just to make sure you have even coverage and maybe it does bond to itself for added durability.

BTW... Love the OPT tie.

Great conversation. By the way, can I order that ONR/Opti-coat tie?

Thanks for the great videos guys. It seems like I have caught a disease. I really enjoy keeping my vehicles clean. I wash with onrww and use a spray of meguiars synthetic spray wax when drying, so it seems I'm always topping off my wax coating. Water beads beautifully. When my spray wax is gone I'll have to try some opti-seal. Looking forward to the next video already!

Soo these new sio2 spray sealants. Everything I’ve seen either uses them standalone or on top of a coating. But can they be used to seal before wax? And is that even worth it

great info as always!!! glad to see you both at mobile tech expo and hope to see you again at detailfest!!!

Great vid! I always wondered why to layer and what not. luckily I've only applied a wax over a sealant or coating so know I haven't wasted my time!

Hmmm, so if you apply Gyeon Wet Coat during rinse and then use Hyper Seal as a drying agent, the Hyper Seal will remove the Gyeon Wet Coat ? I tried washing with Gyeon Bathe+, using Gyeon Wet Coat during rinse and using Opti-Coat Hyper Seal as a drying agent and the results are way better than if I just use one or the other. I can definitely see the hydrophobicity building up as the wash progresses. I dont know about layers, but adding protection at different stages of the washing process absolutely leaves more protection on the paint in the end.

Thank you for a great info on this video

After the Gloss Coat cures and sheds the opti-seal in about a week, do you need to "top it up" periodically with anything or just keep using ONR for washes? Also, after the gloss coat is cured, how would it react to a Touchless car wash?

Hey I don't know if OPT has a engine cleaner protectent

Levi, I know its been discussed to some degree as far as rag washing and care. I'd like to see another episode on this and maybe get more in depth on how to handle rags used with different sealants and products. Examples, Adam's Guard and Gloss, Menzerna (jescar) powerlock, CarPro Ech2o and Reload. Can they all be cleaned out of rags using the same wash process or do they require variable amounts of APC or Vinegar be added with the detergent (free of fabric softener).

So you can actually use ONR wash and wax and still apply optiseal. Will optiseal have the same endurance?

Great video. Very informative.

Anyone know if with Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 would it be a waste of time applying a 2nd coat after the first coat has properly cured for a min 24 hours? Or are there solvents in it that would simply replace the 1st coat and I end up wasting product?

What about doing a glaze, then a sealant and then a wax? The glaze is applied by pad and the seal and wax are spray applications.

There’s sealants where the maker and the chemist of that specific company making the sealant would recommend 2 coats for there sealants I respect his opinion but he can’t know how every sealant works lol and there’s channels on KZfaq where they show 2 layers may last longer then just one with certain sealants or coatings

Makes sense, though some products instruct you to apply 2 layers for maximum protection. Ex. Jescar pw+ and griots 3 in 1 ceramic

So is there a video of this one step ?

If a product bonds to the clearcoat and hardens as a super slick surface. How is anything else going to adhere itself to an already super slick surface?

Layering is marketing hype, as are most products. Find what you like that's in your budget, and roll with it.

I was curious. Meguiars has the ultimate fast finish that is like a coating and they recommend to use by itself or after waxing (as long as the wax has cured) but I'm wondering if you put the uff on after if it is like you didn't put wax on at all since uff is like a solvent? I would like to use a wax and the uff together but I'm not sure what order?

Im curious about tinted clear coat

Good video, very informative

So when somebody says there's a buildup of wax on your car and that's the reason why it's dull. Or does not shine. it's not true and you cannot has wax buildup?

I've had issues with Ghosting on my cars, I try to put a Caranuba on over a sealant and I buff it out but a week later the wax haze reappears. Am I just not waiting long enough before buffing?

When you speak about coat, do you mean glaze for example or ceramic right ? Cause as far as I know, we can use layers like this : Glaze first, Sealant second, Wax third. ( Glaze acts longer than sealant that acts longer than wax ). Am I right ?

Please make video about how to maintenance a coating. Let's say after 6 months, Can i clay it?

is opti seal good as a standalone product?

I wash every weekend with ONR Wash n Wax. Am I making a mistake and should just be using ONR wash? Maybe use Wash n Wax once a month or so?

I remember from a different video that even after you performed the ONR wash, clay, and wax, you could then apply Opti-Seal with a damp ONR microfiber towel after the vehicle is dry? I remember someone saying (probably Yvan) that it still will go down under the Optimum Car Wax because of the Optimum synergy. I now like the way he explained it early in the video, use it after the clay/OCW step and use it to dry as a drying aid!

Great discussion. Yvan nice tie. Interesting point on opti-coat shedding opti-seal within a week or so. Does gloss coat do this as well?

So ONR. Then clay towel with optimum wax as a lube . Then optiseal over that ..? Can you substitute optimum detailer instead of the wax, then optiseal ? Also does anyone know why the optimum fine clay towel has been on back order for at least 6-8 months ???

What about a product like collinite 845? Can I apply 845 then a nice carnuba on top of that? I know 845 is part sealant and part wax.

FYI the company that he referred to in the late 90's early 2000's where people brag about putting 3+ coats on was Zaino. People literally put 10 layers of Zaino waxes on their Mustangs and Corvettes. Honestly, for that particular product, it made a noticeable, but very minimal difference as you layer more coats. Zaino waxes have zero cleaning power, so each goat goes on the previous coat very effectively. The lack of cleaning power in Zaino waxes means that the surface must be super clean and prepped before application.

How long do you suggest letting a sealant cure before applying wax?

I literally just installed a layer of glaze and two layers of carnuaba wax. However, I think people who just love detailing and spending time with their cars wouldn't mind layering until kingdom comes! Great video though, the science behind your explanation just makes sense.

I washed my white car with MOC wash and wax shampoo, clay bar, griots paint sealant then I let it cure for 16 hours in my garage then carnauba wax. What’s next? Should I just use detailer when I want to clean it? What could I do after this process? Also how do I maintain it?

Hi there I've applied 10 layers of meguiars carnuba wax and each time I do a layer I see the depth and gloss get deeper. Why is that. And is that bad. Cheers julian from Australia

How long do you wait to use a sealant after applying say opti gloss coat?

What do you guys think about Ceramic Pro

How can a sealant remobe the first layer of spolymer sealant when it has crosslinkeed and adhered to the surface, if the polymer sealant is waterbased and you apply a second layer to the already hardened first layer and there are no solbents to remobe the first layer and also does the First layer of polymer sealant get washed away if you wash your car with water and some soap NOT according to the Durability tests of last coat and jetseal they are still there so how can a water based sealant wash away the first layer of cross loinked bonded polymers if washing your car does not do it. i think you can reapply another layer as long as you habe waited a decent time likne 24 hours. You will definitely wash away the wax if you wash your car with sopa or reapply a wax but the polymers in wax habe a good chance of still remaining on the surface. so waxing with a polymer wax will adhere polymers to the clear coat and giben 24 hours they will habe bonded if they are a good type and if you reapply the waz then you will srtip the wax but not the polymers that habe bonded gibing a second layer of polymer to bond to the first but only one layer of wax will be there and that will only last a week to a month the thing that lasts 6 months is the polymer in the wax. Buy a shit car to dribe that you dont care about the paint sabes work and keep a second car that you only dribe on the weekend to look like KING SHIT IN. Then you only hab to worry bout the second car that sits in the garage all week with wax and sealant on it. Point is if you cant wash the polymers sealant away like jetseal or the last coat with acid based washes and clr and purple power and all the things they throw at it how will the product wash it away if there is no solbents in the product. they apply a second layer of that titanium ceramic or glass coat and it looks better with 2 coats than one and seems like it works putting 2 layers on and that has solbents in it maybe that titaniun cs2 stuff, not sure if it does but you can get a kamikazi that does not habe solbents in it and is user friendly bcos its water based now so how would water wash away the first coat of that stuff it wouldnt. When eber the sealant looks like its wearing out apply another coat, i dont know if it wears out from top to bottom from the top of the layer to the bond to the surface or if it wears away at the bond to the surface, if the bond of the first layer will only last 12 months and you reapply at 6 monthe does it mean the first layer will fall away from bonding to the surface at 12 months and the second layer will fall away with the first if that is the case so the second layer you applied at 6 months will only last 6 months bcos the first layer will fall away at 12 months and the second layer is only bonded to the first layer not the surface of the paitn work. so the second lyer might only last 6 months anyway bcos the first layer has already been theere for 6 months before you apply the second layer, at 12 months BOTH LAYERS WILL FALL OFF THE CAR.

What if that chemical manufacturer had specifically formulated the sealant to be layered? This all of course depends on the chemical makeup. I think a very good conversation but there are many chemicals and products out there it’s just very hard to say yes or no. I think it depends on they company etc and mostly I agree but some product lines like Ammo (Larry K) formulates his to be layered. This is still a good over topic to discuss.

so you wouldn't recommend putting a layer of Wax applied with a machine over a vehicle that has been washed with a wash and wax soap

What !!!? Cleaner wax and then just wax on the top will not get you 2 full layers ?

AND THE ELEPHANT IN THE GARAGE IS? CERAMIC COATING AND WAIT A FEW DAYS AND? F11 TIOO COATING?

Glaze ... Wait 24 hours ... Sealant .... 24 hours ... Paste wax

Why do I not believe most of this?? 🤔

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Slight contradiction at the end guys. You say Ceramic layering just the first coat off, but you know not necessarily as when you’ve left that high spot too long it will absolutely not shift with another layer. Not being a dick, I’d just like to know myself because I’m confident that if you apply another Ceramic after say 24 hours, I’m certain it will layer, however, this may be detrimental to the appearance. I don’t know how 50 layers of ceramic would look but it could get a little ugly for sure.

Coatings generally come in small bottles that basically will cover 1 maybe 2 small cars or 1 big car. The instructions on all I've seen say put 1 coat. So I don't know where this 7 layers of coating is coming from. In fact I've never seen a wax or sealant product that say's put 7 coats on. So come on keep it real. I like and use optimum products but this tactic of making up stories about instructions that so called " competitors " are putting on their products is pretty lame. The other thing I find intriguing is there a lot of vids about the duration of coatings. People then hose the bonnet and say look the coating is still working 12mths since application. Then 99% of them say they regularly top up coating every time they wash with wax or sealant. So what exactly are we measuring the duration of in these instances the sealant/wax or coating?

Man.....where is the junkman???

Nothing but an advertisement

Plain and simple look at what your paint is telling you. And dont do both . The durability doesn't work as long as either claim to work. Pick one . Waxes are more depth and mask a lot more. Sealants are great for you lazy people that claim to wash your car every week .

Bull shit. Layering rarely removes the previous layer unless it has cleaners etc. Lost me forever !!!