Learning 360 Flips at 36 Years Old
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@ZackDowdy 10 ай бұрын
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@HangingWithTheHarrelds 10 ай бұрын
Love this video! From someone who is also in their 30’s I also want to “learn” 360 flips. I’ve done them, but they look gross. I don’t think I’ve ever done a “proper” one. Thanks for the authenticity in this video! 🤙🏼
@ZackDowdy 10 ай бұрын
@@HangingWithTheHarrelds Thank you! Now that you've landed it, just try every session!
@vityagreen120 10 ай бұрын
damn, after this video, I'm ready to remember this trick for the first time in 10 years) Thank you!
@mreric0419 10 ай бұрын
Inspire me a lot Let me want to skate after off work
@metamedia1065 10 ай бұрын
Hell yea buddy proud of ya stuck it out got it
@cbrvench2483 10 ай бұрын
This is the content we needed. The progression of skateboarding. The difficulty of tricks. These are the videos regular people (non skaters) need to watch to show exactly how the struggle and difficulty of skateboarding really is. Practice and repetition is everything in skateboarding. LOVE it Zack! Thank you and hope you had and have a wonderful birthday.
@mattstanbridge 10 ай бұрын
I'll drink to that.
@groovefretboard 10 ай бұрын
Not really lol I can’t watch 20 min of a guy fumbling tre flips. I skipped to end to see the make.
@trixonic6934 10 ай бұрын
Skateboarding comes very easy when your young since we are fearless and don’t have any pre conceived notions of skateboarding and get harder to learn the older people get due to mental blocks, misunderstanding, embarrassment. I remember learning to kickflip in 13 tries when I was just beginning and figuring out basic grinds on a little sketch X factor rail and pretty much had all the fundamentals down which made learning new tricks pretty easy. And then my buddy tried learning at 30 and took months to do a kickflip since he wouldn’t commit for the life of him.
@fogtown3027 10 ай бұрын
Lol
@jacobfalk4827 9 ай бұрын
I just wore down a brand new pair of vans to like 75% of the way while learning kickflip and only got a few clean ones after hundreds of trys. It really is hard :'(
@gregxedge 10 ай бұрын
I use to skate from 98 till 2006 or so, then neglected it for almost 15 years and I started skating again 2 years ago and now I’m way better than I used to be! Brought back 360 flips and even some other tricks that I didn’t know how to do back in the day. So cool to see more people after 30 starting to skate again! Respect 🙌
@Brian-cb3ce 10 ай бұрын
I skated from 2006 to 2011. After 12 year hiatus I relearning everything I used to do in 1 day. However I still can not 360 flip but I'm good with varial flips, I find it weird because it's only one more spin wth
@koleka3233 9 ай бұрын
exact same years as me, except I started again last month. New wheels, bearings and deck and strangely I feel like I have a better grasp on skating than I used to.
@robweissman5952 10 ай бұрын
This blows my mind... Dude rips park.. I didn't realize he couldn't tre flip. I'd trade every tre flip I've ever done to skate park like Zack.
@ZackDowdy 10 ай бұрын
Haha thanks homie!
@jimmyhuang8730 10 ай бұрын
Park transitions is 110% more fun than freestyle flip tricks.. whatever makes you happy or miserable... spending 2 hours at a hot azz skatepark trying to learn 1 flip trick that originated from freestyle on a less than ideal bigger board is NOT FUN or enjoyable especially at 36+ lol.
@dontimaginedragons 3 ай бұрын
what sucks is in my case I had them on lock for a few years and before I quit skating I couldn't land one to save my life anymore losing tricks is arguably worse lol
@ponyboy7825 10 ай бұрын
The key for 3 flips for me (recently started learning them at 32 ) -was trying less hard. Get some tension on the board between your feet. Use the big toe to grab the edge. Front foot is just a guide. Make sure you only scoop the board while your momentum is on the way up before you pop/scoop. This will ensure you don’t trap the stored energy you put into the board by building tension. The better you get at this the less hard you’ll have to try to get the board to come around.
@Rufusdos 10 ай бұрын
That thing about storing tension is the key!! I‘ve tried to explain it to people, but it‘s quite hard to communicate. It‘s a bit like snapping your fingers. But that‘s the only way to make the board accelerate instantly into the spin!!
@bigvelcro 10 ай бұрын
100 percent agree. Also letting my front foot raise higher so the flick timed later helped with this concept for me and made mine way more consistnent
@Rufusdos 10 ай бұрын
@@bigvelcro Are you talking about kickflips?
@bigvelcro 10 ай бұрын
@@Rufusdos no, i was flicking as soon as i snapped and it was much less predictable for me. now my front foot feels like it guides the board while the backfoot flick leads it if that makes sense.
@Rufusdos 10 ай бұрын
@@bigvelcro yeah, makes sense. Not many people talk about the front foot with tréflips.
@tumtumhero1436 10 ай бұрын
Congrats dude! You're such a good skater I would've never known you couldn't land 360 flips prior to this vid. This got me motivated to work on landing my first hardflip at 33!
@drze7910 10 ай бұрын
Damned, good luck bro! I am 37 seven and learn them 2 years ago, you have to flick it in a so strange ways, it's really a "hard" flip
@MHH76 10 ай бұрын
I’m on the case at 47. Landed a few in my teens so working on getting them back. You’ve inspired to nail them. Thank you!
@bewatermyfriend7355 9 ай бұрын
Me too, I am 43. Let's get it.
@vancouverbill 9 ай бұрын
@@bewatermyfriend7355any progress? I'm 43 and need to get in it before it's too late. Can do an handful of different flip tricks but never rolled away from a tre flip
@Dave_Briski 9 ай бұрын
47 here too! Not gonna give up on 360 flips. We’ve got this!
@vancouverbill 9 ай бұрын
@@Dave_Briski that's sick. We should come back to this thread if we get progress to keep the others motivated!
@boney666 7 ай бұрын
Can any of you guys tre flip yet
@mearl3977 10 ай бұрын
Happy bday! I'm 36 too and watching you struggle knowing you're at a similar age, it gives me motivation to keep pushing. I've recently moved and skating here is not the best. As you already know, it's hard to keep pushing while adulting. Keep up the struggle bro!
@ZackDowdy 10 ай бұрын
Thanks homie, you got this as well!
@lancelovecraft5913 10 ай бұрын
I wish I was a flatground skater. You can literally have fun anywhere in the world. its so simple. Me personally I like to cruise and carve which is why I sadly depend on skateparks to have fun. I would love to become a DIY guy someday and make some QPs near me so I don't have to go to skatepark
@ephraim6095 10 ай бұрын
Congrats Zach!! I’m stoked for you, and love the content!!
@villelahtinen9113 10 ай бұрын
Massive respect and congrats from another senior skater here! Enjoyed the progression vid so much 💪 got 41 on the clock and kickflip progression going on.. will get back to this vid, when 360 flip is on the line some day!
@patrickbutler87 10 ай бұрын
this is sooo rad! I love seeing this. I almost never skate these days but this is inspiring me to just get out and do some flat ground. I’ve only done a handful of 360 flips ever, but I’m gonna try to do the same thing
@FIVECENTFISH 10 ай бұрын
thanks for making videos like this. its very inspirational. i myself am in my 30's and am trying to get back into skating, this was really motivating for me ! keep killing it
@nickysteezy 10 ай бұрын
Awesome video Dowdy! Started watching your videos a few months ago when I got back into skating at 34. I'm feeling the inspiration and the motivation! Thanks for sharing the battle and the embarassment. Other than seeing you stomp the trick at the end, the highlight of this video for me was in your second or third session when you kinda landed but then fell on your butt on the board, pulled your feet up off the ground, and did a look back at the camera like, "Does that count?" I was dying! You're a legend. Mash!
@ABunnyVTuber 10 ай бұрын
Belated happy birthday!!! As an older rider it’s really great seeing all the work that goes into skateboarding to remind us, that it really takes a lot of work, but you can do it as an older rider
@maxoliver1083 10 ай бұрын
That was a great watch. Thanks Zack!!! And congratulations on the trick, gotta respect that determination and grind!
@andrewhightower 10 ай бұрын
Super sick video! This is one of my first times watching this channel and am definitely impressed by the commitment/dedication. Tre flips are quite the battle to learn but it looked like you had them on lock after the first one you landed. What has helped me the most is building pressure between both feet while keeping all my weight on my back leg, if that makes sense. Also, really focusing on flicking diagonally forward, behind you(rather than straight behind you). Hopefully you continue to progress and get them more and more consistently. Definitely one of the best feeling tricks in my opinion👍
@charleshutson4276 10 ай бұрын
zach im so stoked for you! Treflips are so tuff
@kabu0004 10 ай бұрын
Mash! I like progression videos it really shows how the process of learning tricks needs to be made by one's self and the resilience it shows is inspiring! i am 33 and landed a 3flip first time some months ago when i got back skateboarding after a long period when it was not possible for me to do it and got back soon at the level i was when i stopped almost a decade ago and didn't tought i could get better and instead now i'm having a wonderful fun on the deck and still learning! i love your content and it really helps a lot, keep mashin!!!❤
@markusferris 10 ай бұрын
Dude, being proud of yourself is not lame at all! Great job, you just gave me hope! I’m going out to skate right now
@karim8030 10 ай бұрын
We're proud of you dude. I think learning treflips is always a battle. And it's one of those tricks where small things make a big difference. Heavy wheels, rails, all that shit is gonna make it much more difficult, especially the 1st one. It's totally normal that you struggled.
@PanhandlersUnion 10 ай бұрын
I’m so stoked for you. I miss skateboarding so goddamn much. Band props homie
@Antistarbenj 10 ай бұрын
Well done! Love how you built up to it, with videoedit and music as well.
@adriansullivan4433 10 ай бұрын
Awesome vid! Felt like I was learning tres again, the long format made me feel like I was there for the journey
@Aprov.e 10 ай бұрын
Happy birthday Zack! You are doing amazing! Greetings from Greece
@zimon1997 10 ай бұрын
I don't how but I got so excited to see the whole progression with those successful landings at the end🙌🏻 Yesterday I landed my first kickflip in about 6 years due to pain problematics, the joy that it gives you is only understandable by those who have witnessed the same process and experience. 😅 Hope you'll keep shredding them boards for many more years to come 🤘🏻
@kindnesscartel3457 10 ай бұрын
Amazing! O side or no side. Super cool to see how much effort you put into this. Good job man
@patrickleung3154 10 ай бұрын
So glade to see you finally complete your goal, it motivates me to restart my tre flip practise, Thanks and good job
@tylerstewartmedia 10 ай бұрын
i really love that about skateboarding. everyone has different tricks and styles/ approaches and there's always something new to learn. i remember 360 flips taking me the longest to learn but once you get em they just get easier with muscle memory. also noticed, since i've been changing my set up from 8.0 to 8.25 to 8.5 they take more effort once you get to a larger wheelbase. Been riding an 8.5 for a while now and just decided to go back to 8.25 because i feel i just don't have them as consistently as I used to. Happy belated birthday homie!
@Jacobunny 10 ай бұрын
Wicked man! The stoke is real. Commend your persistence. I've had a few sessions trying to get a varial flip and wonder if I should go straight to battling tre flips instead?! I just turned 50 a few weeks back, and am not a very good skater, but love it and am still learning. Just started getting 50-50 and fakie 50-50 shuv outs the other week. So cool battling to learn new tricks (even if they're easy for the kids to learn). Anyway, keep up the cool vids 🤙🏾
@SadMach1n3 10 ай бұрын
Hey Zack, I’m loving the vid! Not all the way through yet but I’m at 29 getting back into it and also an Oceanside local so I hope to see you one day lol. The one tip that helps me the most for this trick is to keep like 85-90% of your weight on your back foot to get it to rotate better, keep it under you and have less chance to land on the nose! I’ve yet to relearn 360 flips because I’ve been trying to work from the ground up this time around instead of skipping a lot of steps as I did on my first go at skateboarding.
@Sk8Comeback 10 ай бұрын
Also I love these progression edits… my whole channel is basically a progression channel. Does get a bit samey for me as it usually me slowly progressing and filming my sessions. Yours are brilliant to watch 👊 so relatable… I almost landed a 360 flip on my first session skating again…12 months later I still haven’t stuck one! Struggle is real and I just put them off after taking a few shinners! 😂
@supergreenthatcheeify4305 10 ай бұрын
On the same journey my friend! Good stuff! Enjoyed this
@zoltthebolt217 10 ай бұрын
thank you zack, keeping my body parallel and the scoop is key
@Continuous_Struggle 4 ай бұрын
I love watching you learn flip tricks. Some of my favorite skate KZfaq vids. It is epic watching the struggle and the victory.
@FlatbottomBomber 10 ай бұрын
It's all the back foot for consistent 360 flips. You need that scoop! After popping the front mostly just gets out of the way. Your tre flip journey is my nollie flip journey, props on the completion.
@otistheshoemaker 10 ай бұрын
Amazing video! We need more of this from more people!
@nemofunk 10 ай бұрын
Glad you stuck it out and got it. This really hits home with me as I am very close in age and very much want to get a 360 flip, much like you I have been trying for a long time. This goes to show I can get it too.
@fatdadskatesbad 10 ай бұрын
Nothings embarrassing you are the man!!! I am a total transition skater so am a huge fan cool to see you skate flatground tho!! I cant even kickflip rad you decided to up your game and complete your goals!! 🤘
@mychalking4416 10 ай бұрын
So good. This was the video I think I was looking for. Street Dowdy is lit!
@milesfulton2123 9 ай бұрын
I liked this the first time around, rewatched and liked it more. Just finished a third time and yo this is the best shit. Learn new shit cause you want to, it’s fckin hard, don’t let someone else’s limiting beliefs or stigmas determine what you can and can’t do! Fuck yea, in my mind, this is skateboarding! Congrats G!
@salmon9698 10 ай бұрын
Congrats Zack! Respect!
@Hollafoadolla8610 10 ай бұрын
Man I saw how many attempts it took. I gotta up my game! Good energy!
@brendanvandermerwe6952 3 ай бұрын
Well done you nailed it !! I remember landing my first one I was so stoked .
@realweston 10 ай бұрын
👏👏👏 I could really start seeing your back foot getting that sweet spot and good pop. And boom nailed it
@pistopit7142 2 күн бұрын
I'm 43 and I am learnign this trick. I am close landing it. This video gave me best tip of them all: record myself to spot what are my mistakes.
@mrzoom214 10 ай бұрын
🥳👏 Zack is The best! Now I have enough motivation to get this at my 36. Good chalange 36yO flip
@SmithsFitness 10 ай бұрын
36 now myself and still learning new ones. Recently nailed a fakie frontside flip. Nice work man!!
@reztheninja 10 ай бұрын
Nice one dude 👍keep learning! Im 36, been skating 22 years. Still learning tricks
@pauliewalnuts5241 10 ай бұрын
I really liked your turning 36 part, keep up the great work Zack!
@daysofhellion8783 10 ай бұрын
I feel this video so much. I skated hard when I was young. Went in the military and pretty much stopped skating. Fastforward 15 years later and I started skating again but can't do any of my flip tricks yet. I can do my 180s, ollies, shuv-its, big spins, but no flip tricks in the last year since I started going once a week to the local skate park
@christianscott2839 4 ай бұрын
Good work zack i just started landing 360 flip consistent too and you really did a great job showing the real process in skating. It really can be a marathon to learn some of the more advanced tricks and to do it at your age is awesome keep shredding!!!!❤❤ “i just got a shinner where i already had a previous shinner”
@mikelbcn91 10 ай бұрын
I'm 32 now, skating since I was 15. Ive been doing tre flips as one of my signature tricks for 16 years... And every day I'm struggling more to get them down... Congratulations on your progression, I'm pretty sure it felt amazing to get it down!
@sk8crete 10 ай бұрын
Would love to hear more about the techniques that worked and didn’t work and adjustments. I’m 50 now, have always struggled with tre flips. Still haven’t given up yet tho.
@tenuris 5 ай бұрын
Such a great and motivating video! Keep it going ❤
@skateordie9628 10 ай бұрын
I'm 46 and the tre is still on my bucket list, don't let age discourage you for anything! You only get old when you stop trying.
@RyanCranage 10 ай бұрын
Very motivating to watch man! I was a decent bmxer before I had brain cancer in 2016. In remission now. I just got a skateboard at 29, so satisfying pushing myself. I’ve got Ollie’s, shuv it’s, Bs 5.0 stalls, Bs tail stalls so far. Hoping to get 180 Ollie’s and kick flips down soon.
@dneck 10 ай бұрын
so impressive. the epic music was cool. great editing and great work
@Bencoseley 8 ай бұрын
Rad dude, some commitment right there 🙌🏼
@joshhenry2446 10 ай бұрын
Love these types of videos from KZfaqrs
@patricktheriault4123 10 ай бұрын
Hey man, really stoked on your 360 flip. And, I hope you heal and dont have any problems with your hand or finger or whatever. Later
@samwan9315 10 ай бұрын
happy bday and get well soon!
@rawrbrz Ай бұрын
Man I love this video cause it shows just how big of gaps there are between tricks. You do a super clean pop shuv and then 100 failed tre attempts. Love skateboarding
@tylersaupe1612 5 ай бұрын
Bravo brother! I just picked back up skateboarding at the beginning of this year. This gives me hope at 33 years of age!
@Rafma89 10 ай бұрын
First the kick flip exclusive and now a 360 flip 🤘🤙 Rad!
@blakevslennox 8 ай бұрын
Good hussle bro! im in the same boat at 34. landed 3 in one session. Cant describe the feeling after so many years of on/off attempts with a couple of random makes. Going to get them on lock. Not retiring anytime soon but this will make it much more acceptable if/when the time comes!!
@punkrockpirate08 10 ай бұрын
Yeah Dowdy! Big Ups mate! I know this struggle all too well. Probably re-learnt tre flips on 6 separate occasions. That feeling of finally landing one is hard too top. I am going to have to relearn them again when I recovery from my current injury lol
@johnmchale6765 10 ай бұрын
really nice video , would def be interested in more challange videos
@taylorschultz53 10 ай бұрын
Been looking forward to this one! I landed exactly one tre flip before I quit skating in my early 20s. It was at the top of the list when I picked my board back up at 30 at the onset of the pandemic. Took a loooong time to get them, still don't have them consistent or good looking, but man do they feel good 🤤
@ZackDowdy 10 ай бұрын
Feels so good! If I can do it, you can!
@Irn_BruYT 10 ай бұрын
Congrats getting the trick, great inspiration 💪
@popsariz 10 ай бұрын
congrats man, work hard pays off!
@AmputeeAdele 7 ай бұрын
I feel that pain rn, trying to learn 360 flips at 37 with one leg and boy it's a hard one! I also find like the first 20 or so go's are the best and then they get worse! 😂😢 anyway, hyped af for your new learn, landing the tre must feel incredible! Big up Zack abf one love ❤ from across the pond 🔥👊🤟💯
@SAGA1MUSIQ 10 ай бұрын
BleSsUP! That was dope. Congrats!
@JesusMartinezCreates 9 ай бұрын
BRo hell yeah congrats! I think its your back foot I turn it outward and leave all the pressure there so it scoops as I jump forward. You got this!
@njgrind 6 ай бұрын
It’s sweet seeing it develop attempt after attempt. Even though they weren’t landing they were looking steezy. Congrats on that
@callemillevalle 10 ай бұрын
Never give up !!! Congrats on making it !!!
@messyvignette4764 10 ай бұрын
Relatable content; I’m almost 36, stood in the only flat car park/parking lot I could find on the side of my UK hillside town, trying to learn 360 flips. I actually got really close 14 years ago and got bored 😅 hoping I can unlock 360 shuvs and impossibles through getting tre-flips.
@drze7910 10 ай бұрын
37 there bro, you earn the right to be super happy, don't worry about it! That joy is priceless =)
@ariekanibalie 10 ай бұрын
Amazing, much respect, bro! I first learned 3 flips in 97 and was doing em off stuff, but was breaking boards so often that I never really got it dialed. After a 15 year hiatus, I started skating again in my late 30s and got em back, only to lose em again each season and have to relearn the trick. There are countless 'hacks' for this trick as to foot position and weight distribution, but the main one for me is always just to commit to putting your feet on, no matter what. Just forget about the scoop and the flick once you've worked out the basic idea and just say: I am going to land my feet HERE after I scoop the tail, and stay on. Sounds obvious, I know, but it's easy to build bad muscle memory and timing by consistently catching the board with only 1 foot. Hope to see more videos of you refining this one. Oh, and good for you that you weren't thrown on your back too badly, that's something that happens sometimes when learning these, lol
@marcusarruzza319 10 ай бұрын
I like the progression video. Congrats on the tre.
@FreudianQuip 10 ай бұрын
Damn dude! I just watched your video part your transition skills are sick and you ender was 10/10 it looked so rad. Never would have guessed you couldn’t tre flip. I would happily trade my tre flips for your gnarly transition but that’s just me! It’s funny how we have those tricks that are just almost incompatible with us. For me it’s impossibles. Not scared of them I just physically can’t make them wrap. Muscle memory is so strong in getting out of the way of the trick I cannot make myself wrap no matter how hard I try.
@stevenbouchard2298 10 ай бұрын
that was sick man! if you leaned back more you would have those nice leaning forward is just making you go in front of the board instead of pushing the board in front of you. I had the same problem for years and made them very difficult for me ever since i made that adjustment i've been able to land them a lot easier. Hope you have a great day!
@maciekomis 10 ай бұрын
33, skating non stop for 22 years. still unattainable, but this video is inspirational. let the journey begin!
@DoubleSupercool 10 ай бұрын
Nice job, mate. Honestly, it's good to see the blood, sweat, and tears as well as you verbarlising your thought process/embarrassment at your "failures". Natural processes that everyone feels and goes through, but they think that other people just somehow natural "get" it.
@sebastiangronkvist3897 10 ай бұрын
dude, you made it! yay! It's one of those tricks that has a feel and totally depends on preassure between the front and back foot to be easy-ish. Haven't been able to do one since i hurt my back knee but i'm getting there, almost got the impossible down again and that's pretty much the same feeling of preassure, just a different scoop and different backfoot position. The first ones are the hardest and when you're down with what it shoud feel like you'll be making them all the time pretty much. It's one of those tricks you have to feel it. Like a backside revert if you know what I mean. Without knowing what it feels like it's freaking hard.
@ZackDowdy 10 ай бұрын
It's so true, the more my foot placement felt awkward the better it worked
@keapaishere 9 ай бұрын
Great to se the entire war you had with this thing !! I’m at war with it too, not much luck so far already tried weeks and nothing but ima keep trying !!
@ryanmccoy602 10 ай бұрын
Awesome man. Needed this. I struggle with committing to tre flips at 31.
@matthiasfikre6519 10 ай бұрын
This is beautiful. The moment you figured it out and stomped a couple I was grinning. Fuck yes my dude, that's skateboarding! Thanks for inspiring another 30 year old.
@byronalft3070 10 ай бұрын
Great job man. Keep going.
@rebusd 10 ай бұрын
Very nicely done. Reminds me of my journey.
@witchdoctorteepo 10 ай бұрын
35 and Fighting the exact same battle ATM. Thanks for putting this up man! I can deff see where I'm messing up because of this! Fuck yeah Zack!!!! Cheers!
@jonathanbingham5173 10 ай бұрын
Back in the day if you could 360 flip in Utah consistently you were gods gift to skating. 360 flip and front side flip were the most badass tricks where I was living.
@captainshiner42 10 ай бұрын
Bro, I'm 42 and learning to skate. I feel ya. Keep shredding, my dude!
@MikkoHenrikki 10 ай бұрын
This was inspiring video, congratulations! 🔥🙌 I was 37 when I landed my first 360 flip three years ago. I remember the struggle, frustration and the feeling when finally landed one. Never too late. 😃🤙
@vancouverbill 10 ай бұрын
That's rad bro
@iclusterdevhc2930 10 ай бұрын
Man you're such an inspiration! I'm 44 and still need to nail the tre down 😭
@tiagoksvvieira2479 4 ай бұрын
You have ver cool content. Regarding the tre flip, im 41 now and learned it at 40. But not yet consistent doing. Back foot is the key to do them
@Pseudosurfer 10 ай бұрын
360 flips is the reason I bought a skateboard last year. I felt it was an unfinished business I had to put to rest. I'm 44 and I can happily say I've got pretty consistent at them.
@jasonb993 10 ай бұрын
I'm gonna try what you said dawggie. 🤘 been battling these too
@donovanhays 7 ай бұрын
Love seeing you learn new tricks. I'm also 36 so this is extremely motivating.
@ZackDowdy 7 ай бұрын
More to come!
@Ka112eb 8 ай бұрын
well done. I have not skated for 20 years picked up a board again and my legs dont work any more so well done learning three sixty flips as a old person
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