Leftist Infighting as Explained by Moral Psychology

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The Manic Pineapple

The Manic Pineapple

Күн бұрын

Leftist infighting has gotten so out of hand that it's practically a meme. But why does this issue seem specific to political left and not the right? Find out on this episode of The Manic Pineapple
0:00 Vaush sad
1:23 Why the Left?
3:28 Chicken Time
9:03 The N Word Arc
12:15 Why We Fight
14:36 What Now?
17:32 Memes
Special thanks to Jonii for yet again lending his sexy voice to this project. Have yourself a lovely day :)

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@TomRoot
@TomRoot 3 жыл бұрын
This, right here, is a good video essay. How again do you not have more subscribers?
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 3 жыл бұрын
Because the current subs that I have are so cool that the algorithm has to compensate by giving me less of them--too much cool in one channel would be disruptive to the KZfaq ecosystem. A world where Logan Paul has less than 3 billion subs is a world I just don't want to live in
@NoahSamsen
@NoahSamsen 2 жыл бұрын
10/10 video, subbed, will cite in any discussion about leftist infighting lol
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 2 жыл бұрын
Proud to be a part of your works cited ;) And welcome to the channel
@joesephstalin2905
@joesephstalin2905 3 жыл бұрын
Holy cow, hats off to you! The amount of detail is ridiculous, this is a well-earnt sub!
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 3 жыл бұрын
Stalin you old goat! What are YOU doing here?
@singhatar0912
@singhatar0912 3 жыл бұрын
COMRADE JOSEPH YOU OLD RASCAL HOW YA BEEN !
@ecoecoeco3000
@ecoecoeco3000 3 жыл бұрын
This video is so well phrased, I genuinely had never realized why appeals to care failed so hard in discussion. I'd love to see more of these kinds of breakdowns on news and events!
@oogatooga8280
@oogatooga8280 3 жыл бұрын
As a current leftist (or a "libertarian socialist" some might say), you make kickass content. You got a discord to talk in? Cause I fell in love with your channel.
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 3 жыл бұрын
Aw shucks :) Thanks yo. You're not the first person to ask me about a Discord, so I'm seriously considering opening one. Might happen as early as December ;) I'll keep you posted!
@niekumata8782
@niekumata8782 3 жыл бұрын
Oh no, I'm not brave enough for politics
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 3 жыл бұрын
BE BRAVE GOODFELLOW, FOR 2020 IS FULL OF TERRORS
@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778
@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 2 жыл бұрын
Hey man this is such a great video. I really do appreciate that you were unbiased and didn't put any bias for either side. I always brought down this issue to being that leftists have a purity meter that they need to keep up with it and with that purity meter getting bigger and bigger each passing year some of them don't want to keep moving so they end up fighting the other people for not moving for that. It also could be because of the whole thing with leftists having an mindset of including everyone. But the problem with that is not everyone will agree and be united since they all belif different things. You can't have democrats and socialists go together, You can't have Islam and feminism go together. Or LGBT and Islam. You also see TERFs fight with LGBT aswell. This is Because the left is very diverse in there beliefs compared to the right which has fewer subfactions that are in the minority you often see leftists infight because they all have different goals because of the inclusion mindset and therefore they can't agree on alot of things. Anyways great video man!
@jeffjeff24
@jeffjeff24 3 жыл бұрын
this is a great video, it helped me with understanding and naming my stance on the in fighting and canceling and stuff. i'm glad it exists, it explains some very important things i wasn't getting before. i will be sharing it with my friends and followers. also i won't be able to look at a chicken for a good while, im just gonna pretend the question was never asked
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the video :) Welcome to the Pineapple Fam Squad
@prowler247365
@prowler247365 3 жыл бұрын
This video is criminally underrated.
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 3 жыл бұрын
Aw :) Wish I could give your comments 2 likes instead of just 1. Many thanks
@Alias3141
@Alias3141 3 күн бұрын
The idea that conservatives care evenly about the various moral tastes while liberals tend to be specifically focused on care and fairness is incredibly intriguing. It explains a lot about why I personally perceive so much more hypocrisy in the left than the right. It's not that they're legitimate hypocrites, it's that their values are highly specialized so the less emphasized values tend to go by the wayside. Very eye opening.
@meredithmcconnell7033
@meredithmcconnell7033 2 жыл бұрын
still incredibly relevant and eye opening for myself. i wonder how the argument holds when looking at politicianns themselves and the sense of moral loyalty they feel towards their voting base. the harm was reduced by getting an authoritarian out of office but feel less of a sense of obligatioon on following through with campaign promises. i will certainly have to read this book now!
@theconsciousclass9640
@theconsciousclass9640 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid! I came across your channel while researching for a similar video I'm going to do soon.. I may or may not borrow a line or two ;)
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 2 жыл бұрын
So long as you include me in your MLA works cited, then I hereby bequeath you my entire script ;)
@theconsciousclass9640
@theconsciousclass9640 2 жыл бұрын
@@themanicpineapple8772 Bless you 🙏
@therussiancomicbookgeek
@therussiancomicbookgeek 3 жыл бұрын
It’s funny how the republicans say exactly the same thing about the left🤣
@DirtyLifeLove
@DirtyLifeLove 11 ай бұрын
I think there a a genetic balancer. Half will be left, half will be right. A quarter on each side will be hard core. It is good. Fight for what you believe (within reason).
@genadijssmirnovs6524
@genadijssmirnovs6524 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely based video! This is some high quality stuff right here
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks yo :)
@AB-qr8ln
@AB-qr8ln 3 жыл бұрын
This should be seen more.
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 3 жыл бұрын
Aw :) I've been happy to watch this channel grow slowly, but organically. I do hope the Vaush man sees it though
@AB-qr8ln
@AB-qr8ln 3 жыл бұрын
@@themanicpineapple8772 no worries 👍 you put a lot of effort into your vids that I have seen so you will get there some day, also glad to support another chaotic fan
@boxlessone1046
@boxlessone1046 2 ай бұрын
Love the vid. Never could understand people who had large reactions to moral hypotheticals. This helps. Also, it respect to the two questions: 1) It is not morally wrong to fuck the chicken. For the reasons outlined. 2) Same goes for Jack and Jill. As long as it is consentual, and no unequal power dynamics are involved, i don't see any harm.
@Galilupottepeak
@Galilupottepeak 3 ай бұрын
(laughs in rightist unity)
@ishvalda_
@ishvalda_ 3 жыл бұрын
it's wrong because it's a chicken, humans and poultry aren't supposed to fornicate
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 3 жыл бұрын
*The following is what I would have probably said during the interview with my friends, and is purely for the sake of argument Would you not say, however, that humans are not "supposed" to fornicate with vegetables as well though? Would you say that someone self-pleasuring with a cucumber immoral? Also, what constitutes an ethical appeal referring to what humans are "supposed" to do? What defines "natural" human behaviour, and, in your opinion, do all things that humans do that are unnatural intrinsically constitute as immoral?
@tomitiustritus6672
@tomitiustritus6672 3 жыл бұрын
But nobody is supposed to fornicate with anybody/thing. If they were supposed to do it, it wouldn't be fornication.
@ahogammer6895
@ahogammer6895 10 ай бұрын
joe biden is not a leftist.
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 10 ай бұрын
5000 V bucks shall be delivered to you if you can find me the place in this video where I called Biden a leftist
@atlassolid5946
@atlassolid5946 Жыл бұрын
i feel like the fact that he willingly fucked the chicken means that he has some tendency towards beastiality, and unless its only in combination with necrophilia, i cant imagine him not wanting to do so to a living animal. id say that's messed up. but let's say that his only "taboo" attraction is a combination of necrophilia and beastiality. if so, we should ask the question, does this chicken belong to someone? i live in a state with a lot of farms, so that possibility isnt too far-fetched to me. if it does, then id consider that disrespectful. the owner's probably freaking out wondering where their chicken went, and you just fucked their chicken that they spent all that time nurturing. i cant really excuse that, even if the owner doesn't know about what you did. you could've returned the chicken to them so that they at least get some closure. the question doesnt specify what the guy did with the chicken after he banged it, so that stays open-ended. but what if the chicken belonged to nature and was not tamed? well, chickens do contribute quite a bit to nature. soil that's nurtured by chickens helps reduce runoff and supports healthy water systems. that soil helps replace unhealthy pesticides, which then allows for more presence of bees, birds, and bats. so chickens in turn help increase biodiversity. in addition, letting any mammal's corpse decompose into the soil is nourishing to said soil. so the chicken is useful even in death. this man looked at that, said "nah", and fucked that chicken. that just feels uncomfortable to me. now, that brings up the argument that hunting and eating chicken causes the same issue. difference there is that you need food to survive, and chicken meat is one of the healthier meats for humans. that's contributing to the food chain, which is an important part of nature. no matter how much some nations have ignored it in favor of industrialization, we still contribute to the ecological balance, partly by eating other mammals. now, in this situation, i dont recall there ever being a sex chain. fornicating with the chicken doesn't allow for sexual reproduction, so there's no ecological benefit. he did it for the sake of doing it. this guy's series of actions feel so unnecessary, and even when given a huge benefit of the doubt, can still cause harm in the majority of the scenarios. however, i think that this question is a little incomplete. i think Haidt needs to describe what the man does with the chicken after he has sex with it, and then we can get a clearer picture of the morality of the situation. context: i consider myself a very far-left guy, and im not vegan, although maybe that was already established by the remarks about the benefit of chicken meat. sorry if that was really wordy, lmao
@atlassolid5946
@atlassolid5946 Жыл бұрын
also im really not sure cause im bad at perceiving the way my brain works, but i think i do value loyalty to some extent, but that's mainly because i dont like upsetting people who are in my political community cause i hate losing friends, and i very easily label people as friends in my brain. that's a total guess work
@DirtyLifeLove
@DirtyLifeLove 11 ай бұрын
So if he ate the chicken afterwards it would "atone" for his sin against man and the ecosystem?
@atlassolid5946
@atlassolid5946 11 ай бұрын
@@DirtyLifeLove you can eat the chicken without fucking it, Vicente
@Andre-qo5ek
@Andre-qo5ek 6 ай бұрын
jREG!
@Alincoln333
@Alincoln333 11 ай бұрын
He has no interest in calling someone the N word. He never had asserted it was okay to call Trihex or anyone else a Ni***(er). That would be Inherently dehumanising and does cause harm potentially at a societal level. Using the word as part of education Jane Elliot style, humour that doesn’t encourage or incite hate or violence Louis CK style or simply definitionally not having to cuck my way around typing it earlier in this passage style. This is what I understand it to be about anyway. Stance on immutable characteristics has been firm for quite a while right?
@Theoregon420
@Theoregon420 2 жыл бұрын
5:55 this same logic would apply to canabilism... "they're dead so it's not hurting anyone to them the deceased" while technically true also bruh wtf
@Theoregon420
@Theoregon420 2 жыл бұрын
10:05 Hol up, so some on the radical left can come to terms with Chicken Necrophilia but not saying the N word, I'll brb I gotta grab milk/ a pack of cigs
@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666
@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666 Жыл бұрын
Well, Unless you commited murder to cannibalize a mofo and you generally needed to consume a being of your species to survive then it really shouldn't be an immoral act that merits a "bruh". Humanity would be morr based if they treated moral systems as being mainly contextual in order to mitigate harm and stop acting like they are omniapplicable.
@coalgolem4697
@coalgolem4697 2 жыл бұрын
Not enough of the comments are talking about the dude that forked the chicken
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 2 жыл бұрын
I tried to get my mother in-law to read the book in question... she stopped at the chicken part :p
@s_4589
@s_4589 3 жыл бұрын
I really liked how you use real life examples to explain and develop ideas shared in the book. The conclusion is great but I think it needs to be brought up that you could also say the same about debating with conservatives. I think a perfect example is the video of Vaush arguing with the "blacks are inferior" kid In my opinion, there are three things that you should be trying to do in a healthy debate 1) to understand 2) to be convinced 3) to convince But when you argue with conservatives in the same way that Vaush argued with the kid (*that is, by barely taking two minutes having actual arguments and spending the rest of the time memeing, disrespecting and questioning the interests of the kid*), you're not doing any of those three: the only thing you're achieving is a strong backfire effect. The leftist audience who will have had a few laughs will stay left and the right wingers who will have felt humiliated will stay right. And that kid? Who probably had no community and no place to call his home until this group of racist conservatives welcomed him with open hands and called him their own. That kid who probably needs serious help. Will that conversation have helped him? Or will it simply have been a shovel that dug his hole even further? That rooted and locked him in his toxic environment even more than he already was? To the kid, that was just pure evidence that no other community will respect and acknowledge him. Food for thought I guess. Anyways, sorry my rant is over. Your video was honestly really enjoyable. And funny too :)
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, absolutely--couldn't agree any more. For people who aren't arguing in good faith, or people who just like the sound of their voice, there are different tactics that must be implemented because you have to completely reframe your goal. Glad you liked the video :) Welcome to the Pineapple Gang (tm)
@sarmatiancat-a-phract8705
@sarmatiancat-a-phract8705 3 жыл бұрын
It's wrong because the chicken should still be regarded with some level of dignity even if it's dead.
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 3 жыл бұрын
Haidt would probably say: isn't it undignified to put chickens in appalling living conditions when they're alive? Factory farms are an honest to goodness abomination of you ever get the chance to take a look at them (especially if you value the dignity of chickens). Would you say that factory farms are immoral, and if so, would you thus not say that eating chickens helps perpetuate an unethical systems?
@sarmatiancat-a-phract8705
@sarmatiancat-a-phract8705 3 жыл бұрын
@@themanicpineapple8772 They are immoral, yes. But they serve a purpose that is necessary for one's continued existence. So they are not as bad as screwing a chicken. Factory farms should not be a thing and they need to be curtailed. Though, eating a product of one is not necessarily perpetuating a system because one does not really know any better and there are few other options. Despite what a lot of liberals like to believe, systemic change doesn't really happen based on a few individual actions. I would also like to say that if one has a higher cognitive ability, they have a duty not to harm things that have a lower cognitive ability.
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 3 жыл бұрын
@@sarmatiancat-a-phract8705 Before I type out a long response, there’s an important facet to address concerning Haidt’s experiment. The 2nd of the two questions from this video (the one with Jack and Jill) was likely to be used instead of the chicken example in cases in which the subject was a vegetarian or vegan. Would you happen to identify as one? If that's the case, then maybe have a look at the question right after the chicken dilemma instead, as that one (while equally uncomfortable) might be better suited to challenging your moral framework while still making you uncomfortable (which is ultimately one of the main goals of the study at the end of the day ;) )
@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666
@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666 Жыл бұрын
11:13 With the Micro PP destiny argument, If a person would be ignorant of your behind-the-back comments you made of them, if they didn't hear you talkin' smack, then were they truly harmed? Unless your comments weren't fully slanderous and the slander didn't have terrible implications with said implications having dire results(I.E X is a thief, X is a molester, X did Y) then shitty jeers and names don't do much. Also, I am a firm believer that the N word should be stripped of negative conotations and should instead be used endearingly. Same with the term Cracker. Who's with me!?
@dragunov815
@dragunov815 2 жыл бұрын
Yow!
@fb2827
@fb2827 4 ай бұрын
As a moderat right winger this makes soo much sense to me! I always wondered why you constantly devide sociaty in different sections that have no ability to function on there own. For me, sociaty is a system, an cybernetic organization of essential parts and the only thing policies should do is to enhance its efficiency, it's all about the Funktioning and growth of the ingroup... But you leftist just don't have one!
@Alincoln333
@Alincoln333 11 ай бұрын
Would like more info but currently yes it’s immoral due to depriving someone else of sustenance, possible harm to self and then others… HEY. What the fuck. Where’s my answer? What my answer just nothing to you huh.
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 11 ай бұрын
Your use of "possible harm to self ad others" pretty much proves the point Haidt was trying to make, given that the argument is totally moot. The hypothetical is pretty air tight regarding making it impossible for the act to harm anyone else (and the harming one's self argument is silly because we harm ourselves in various ways all the time that we wouldn't consider immoral). Depriving someone of sustenance is a funny one though: that got a good chuckle outta me
@Alincoln333
@Alincoln333 11 ай бұрын
@@themanicpineapple8772 I mean if I’m totally honest. If the hypothetical world existed where cross species diseases weren’t w thing and you can’t get sexually transmitted salmonella then I suppose technically you wouldn’t have to deprive any one of sustenance. ***I am about to go down a potentially fun or just dumb but definitely overly wordy and ridiculous road due to being completely in the bin thanks to my old pal 🍁 come with or don’t*** I mean we all indulge and chow down on some 👩 📦 and the idea the 🐔’s 🕳️ has been minced by man sausage more than the girl who heard 20 minutes of tinder game and is now legs akimbo in your room and, not at all suspiciously, prepared enough to pull out a PH testing kit and a printed all clear sti screen taken 6hrs prior to your meeting… All I’m saying is for me personally, I am in the camp of that being a silly thing to think. So. My final answer is no it’s not immoral… and provided you take it home and feed the family afterwards it could still be actively moral. Sure you didn’t have to fuck it but it’s still feeding people and everyone either already has had or will have far more meals where 🍆 and 🏀 sweat was a more prominent feature. As a man it’s makes you more gay to eat a woman’s cavernous ham sandwich than you would be if you fuck chickens. Thankyou for coming on my TED talk.
@austin2245psn
@austin2245psn 7 ай бұрын
Why r u a leftist ?!?!? U seem too smart
@americanalah
@americanalah 2 жыл бұрын
The music is so fucking annoying.
@i_like_chomp6382
@i_like_chomp6382 3 жыл бұрын
Instead of leftist unity why not libertarian unity with ancoms and ancaps working together, now that's based.
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 3 жыл бұрын
I'm of the belief that any political ideology that isn't based on racial and cultural hierarchy deserves a seat at the table
@i_like_chomp6382
@i_like_chomp6382 3 жыл бұрын
@@themanicpineapple8772 I agree, love how your vid was very unbiased never directly calling conservatives far right or dumb while also being fair to the left as well. Hopefully some good rightist creators will appear to challenge the ideals of breadtubers for a more dynamic and productive politcal community. You sir are very based
@kiiyll
@kiiyll 3 жыл бұрын
Loyalty, authority, sanctity, liberty. I don't understand how the first three could ever be good things. As a leftist, I do however believe in liberty. I believe one should be free to do what they want as long as it doesn't cause harm. Being loyal to a party or a person means you continue to support them even if they do something you disagree with, which makes no sense. I support what I agree with. Authority means one person having control over another, which should never be the case. All people should be equal. Sanctity? I don't really understand this one at all. Religion is an outdated set of rules made up by people a long time ago. It shouldn't control politics.
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 3 жыл бұрын
So here's a funny, yet slightly terrifying story. I work at a military college in Canada, so despite being in a relatively socially progressive country, my students are oftentimes quite conservative. As part of a segment on moral philosophy, I ask the students a variety of questions, where they raise their hands if they agree with any given statement. One time, I asked this hypothetical: if the Commandant (that's the top dog in our military) were to give someone a command and they disobeyed it, would that be immoral? I swear, all but one of the students in the class raised their hand. I was so caught off guard that I laughed and said "But I didn't even tell you what he asked you to do! He could have asked you to kill an baby!" The class looked stunned at the fact that I was questioning the morality of disobeying the commandant. Like I said in this video: we lefties are really bad at understanding how right wingers think about morality. To them, obeying the word of the commandant is tantamount to obeying the word of God. I'll say this, in my personal life, I do have certain ethical appeals to loyalty, and even authority, and I'm sure you do too. I'm sure you'd agree that cheating on a significant other would be a immoral (appeal to betray and breach of loyalty) and that evidence provided by authorities in scientific fields is with more than what Prager U has pumped out this month ;) (ethical appeal to authority) Conservatives just tend to value these categories way more than lefties do. Either way, I'm glad this video has made people look at their ethics in a different way, and thank you for taking the time to articulate such a thoughtful response. Cheers.
@kiiyll
@kiiyll 3 жыл бұрын
@@themanicpineapple8772 When you put it that way, I do agree that loyalty is important, of course there are different kinds of loyalty that differ in morality. I find trusting the authority of the scientific community is far better than blindly trusting someone because they were elected into a position. It really is interesting to try to understand how other people think. Thanks for posting such an insightful video and response to my comment!
@mikaela5938
@mikaela5938 2 жыл бұрын
conservatives cooperate more because being bigoted is the most important thing to each of them
@joenathan8059
@joenathan8059 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly until we get our shit together,I'm not participating in any sort of leftist activity.
@themanicpineapple8772
@themanicpineapple8772 2 жыл бұрын
You might be waiting quite a long time :p that said, there are plenty of ways to mobilize even on your own. Trying to get into your local politics and see what your local politicians stand for is a great start (I could do much better on that myself...). And then showing up to town hall meetings and voicing concerns that you have. That, at least, doesn't require too much organization with others. Never underestimate your own power brother
@joenathan8059
@joenathan8059 2 жыл бұрын
@@themanicpineapple8772 yeah I guess. I just feel that everytime someone does try something,another person gets a mob together to go shit on that guy for the smallest things. Still thx for the insight bro.
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