amy hennig is brilliant

Funny thing is, Raziel was more dead on than he thought. Given the prophecies and his less than…beautiful appearance. Lmao.

Yeah, we can chalk the corruption Raziel's brothers endured thanks to Nupraptor's curse corrupting Kain as it did the others in the Circle, and since Kain used part of his soul to revive the Sarafan as his sons, it affected them too, even Raziel to a small extent, but not as much as his brothers due to his being cast into the abyss when Kain set his plans into motion to try to defy history and help him and Raziel reclaim their true destinies.

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​@@BryonYoungbloodThese are the questions in the lore that annoys me. How did Kain do this severing of his soul to create his vampire lieutenants/sons? How and why Raziel became what he is now and why did the abyss make him the only one with free will?

jesus man 3 months ago :o suprised that im not the only one here

Has someone died? Michael Bell and Gregg Berger are still alive. Only Rene has passed.

@@jblasutavario9549 Tony Jay (Elder God) and the guy who voiced Vorador

@Synthonym Yes, but the only voices in the vid aren't of Jay.... they are alive

This is part of why Raziel is such a good protagonist, imo. Even with how much he gets thrown around and manipulated by everyone, he actually has room for sympathy and empathy, and in the face of danger holds onto that and what he believes is right. Kain is also an amazing character, but his sadism and aloof nature makes me feel more at home with Raziel, instead.

I think he too was reticent about killing Melchiah as he seems to regret becoming a fratricide after their battle.

He hated having to kill his other brothers. If he had the choice, he'd have spared Turel.

Course I’m sure Raziel would have been less forgiving if he found out that Turel had wiped out the Razielim, not even on the orders of Kain but by his own volition.

Didnt raziel kill turel in the first game?

That and I think he pitied Turel. So great and mighty, and cant even crawl out of some dirty corpse pit.

Yeah, still killed him. So not all that forgiving.

@@WillJM81280 actually he hesitated. He fought back but he couldn't deal the final blow. That was the Hildin

Raziel throwing unnecessary shade at Dumah. Dumah turned out alright.

@@atheopagan Dumah was on that Spectral Gains grind.

But they at least were uncorrected

Kind of strange that Raziel can see without eyes

This must become a meme

Rahab and Dumah were fine too

@@Brandelwyn Melchiah and Zephon were totally grotesque, Dumah had laid dead for centuries I'm guessing before Raziel pulled the spares from him and allowed his soul to reenter his body so he was unable to mutate further. I always wonder what would have happen to Raziel had Kain not thrown him into the abyss

@@TheRatzor he would transform into some kind of a dragon, that's almost official

@@TheRatzor good question. A giant winged version of Turel?

@@Brandelwyn i figured from the wings a more bat like creature, course one more agile than Turel to suit Raziel’s more nimble nature.

"Why stay?" too, for he cant stand at all

That and linking back to the customs of animal sacrifices, where the throat of the goat or cow was cut on the altar.

Yeah, which fits into how Raziel is meant to be both the Vampire and the Hylden champions, it's just a matter of his choice that leads to it, when he succeeds being both by purifying Kain's soul once he purifies the Spirit Reaver, and also granting Kain the power to defeat the Elder God and free the Wheel of Fate from his influence.

I think this turel is from post SR1 era where kain and raziel already entered the chronoplast leaving turel to rule the ruined lands of nosgoth with his brothers already defeated by raziel.

Hard to say, Turel's abduction is somewhat referenced in Blood Omen 1, in the book at Avernus. The Pillar Guardian of DImensions brought him to the pit supposedly. That's who summoned him. Not content with summoning demons from her era, she pulled him from a different time. It's funny to think about but BO1 Kain and Defiance Kain are running around Nosgoth at the same time. BO1 Kain rejects the sacrifice allowing Janos to be taken over by the Hylden at the same time Defiance Kain is doing other stuff.

Me too, since it'd explain her drawing Turel to the past with her powers.

If I'm not wrong, it was Azimuth who summoned him from the 'darkness', which is just a metaphor for the hard times he endured after he was left to rule over Nosgoth alone and began mutating. The whole time traveling thing still confuses me to this day, but yeah, Azimuth pulled Turel through time to use him as a vessel for the Hylden.

Yes and no. His role in Defiance is more poetic and surpirsing than it would have been if he died in SR1. But on the other hand it screams cheap fanservice, since you could basically put any monster in here and it makes no difference for the plot.

@@TheParappa but according from what i heard in sr1 too he wouldn't have had a good role for the plot!! He would just have been Kain's muntain refuge's guardian and Raziel wouldn't have gained any new ability by killing him!! Aslo Turel's appearence in Defiance is much cooler than SR1's Turel appearence!!

I think the pillars only keep the hylden in the other dimension. Because before the war beetween Hylden and Vampires nosgoght was not corrupt.

@@EstebanFD1799 yeah but nosgoth only became a wasteland after millenia, so it took its time.

From what I can figure, the pillars keep the Hylden sealed away and draw energy from Nosgoth itself to do so. The more corrupt the pillars become, the harder they have to work to do their job and the more energy the drain out of Nosgoth to keep the seal shut. So long as one pillar has a guardian the seal remains intact and the system will limp along drawing more and more life out of the planet. If there are no guardians, the pillars fail, the seal breaks and the Hylden return in their entirety.

The pillar are the barrier that keep the Hylden locked outaide of Nosgoth, but they draw their power from the land itself, namely the different Aspects that make up the Realm. what ended up happening is that the power involved is so great that the pillars literally became the pillars that held these aspects up and upon their corruption this also infected the land.

I dont know if thats the hylden lords actual name but hylden lord is indeed the real hash ak gik. Turel is only a vessel to keep these hylden souls in nosgoth for them to be able to carry out their plans to destroy the pillars and be freed by manipulating raziel in killing kain.

Maybe Hash, Ak and Gik are the names of three different Hylden individuals. Multiple demons tend to possess one person. They could be three Hyldens. The Hylden were in the demon dimension after all. The Hylden Lord could've been one of them.

Hash'ak'gik is first mentioned in Blood Omen as part of random World Building Lore unrelated to the events of that game. He is unrelated to the Hylden. He's a God worshipped by cults throughout Nosgoth's history. At some point the Hylden bring Turel into Nosgoth's past and pawn him off as Hash'ak'gik in order to use the cultists as their hands in Nosgoth to accomplish their goals. Here's the passage about him: "And Hash'ak'gik spoke to the world, and all who heard trembled. "Bring me your first born, and shed their blood on the altar of the world, so I might take nourishment from them. Do this without question, or suffer my wrath for eternity." And its will was done."

He was summoned by Azimuth the planer and Moebius during their experiments in summoning Extraplanar Creatures(during Blood omen 1) thiiking he was a Demon they placed him in that pit to be a host for the Hylden