Military Laws Broken: Top Gun (with real JAG)
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@LegalEagle 2 жыл бұрын
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@NearlyNothing 2 жыл бұрын
Wait what- this video was up,padded around 50secs ago and you commented 2 hours ago?- I love your vids btw
@CraigChrist8239 2 жыл бұрын
Please review "The People vs Larry Flynt" (Woody Harrelson) or "The Judge" (Robert Downey Jr, Robert Duvaul). Both are older, but very underrated legal movies. I'm dying to hear your legal analysis of them
@mizinoinovermyhead.7523 2 жыл бұрын
@LegalEagle If you look at the two planes you can see that the f-14 as two vertical stabilizers while the f-5 has only one. This would allow the one plane to sort of straddle the other, in that inverted position. So physically there is space for the maneuver. However can the pilots (yes both the f-5 pilot and the f-14 pilot have to cooperate to do this kind of thing) pull off the maneuver without crashing themselves? Thats a completely different question.
@LegalEagle 2 жыл бұрын
@@mizinoinovermyhead.7523 The cockpits are inches away from each other. The single vertical stabilizer on the F-5 is going RIGHT through the f-14. Overruled!
@mizinoinovermyhead.7523 2 жыл бұрын
@@LegalEagle Ah, but that was not your point, as stated "wouldn't the tail fins just slap each other?" Which was the point of my objection. You however could rephrase and state "the maneuver as shown is impossible" which would be true. lol Still, I don't think anyone wants to try this, nor do I really think a realistic version of it would be worth the risk.
@FornaxusCrucible 2 жыл бұрын
Objection: Top Gun was released in 1986. The California law that prohibits riding a motorcycle without a helmet didn't come into effect until 1992.
@TheeGoatPig 2 жыл бұрын
I was going to say the same thing.
@magister343 2 жыл бұрын
The military also had a strict policy against homosexual relations back then.
@singletona082 2 жыл бұрын
@@magister343 Don't ask Don't tell? Or was that jsut durning the clinton administration with an even stricter bias against?
@FornaxusCrucible 2 жыл бұрын
@@magister343 Yes, if I remember correctly, that was only a couple years after the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy came into effect.
@nyyfanvkamath 2 жыл бұрын
@@FornaxusCrucible This movie is actually a few years before the Don’t ask, Don’t tell policy, which was introduced under Clinton in 1993. As crazy as it sounds, it was actually a compromise on the issue at the time.
@genuinesaucy 2 жыл бұрын
Some of the best callsigns I've heard of: "Blaze" - Caught on fire in the base kitchen "Headless" - Pilot's last name was Horstman "Hurricane" - Pilot's first name was Katrina "Legend" - Failed an exam that no one had ever failed in history "Vodka" - Pilot’s name was Smirnoff
@cheeseninja1115 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta appreciate those name puns
@grimmertwin2148 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent thanks Wing Commander Crash
@SqueakyNeb 2 жыл бұрын
Hurricane and Headless are both cool AF though
@obriaind 2 жыл бұрын
“Popeye” - Last name Doyle, from Gene Hackman in the French Connection “Lips” - Last name was Houlihan, from MASH.
@bryanwettig6177 2 жыл бұрын
Licious because her last name was booty and she coincidentally had a big booty.
@FokkerBoombass Жыл бұрын
Seeing a suited up lawyer (deputy DA at that) (and a vet) say "This is cringe" really tickles my funny bone for some reason.
@yokaioni7863 Жыл бұрын
Well he was a Marine 😂
@danielwesterlund1905 9 ай бұрын
They're both advertising their businesses here, so that's PR.
@renschick463 9 ай бұрын
goes to show ya, they’re just people too😌
@atomicbuttocks 8 ай бұрын
"im maverick" LE and JAG: ***dies of cringe***
@hayberdasher8625 7 ай бұрын
Same
@aaronspencer5173 Жыл бұрын
Objection: I am a current Navy JAG and the folks at TOPGUN are Navy pilots. There is no official Navy Regulation that forbids intimate relationships between two people at the same command, unless they are committing Fraternization (e.g. leader/subordinate, officer/enlisted, etc...). The only real problem in a relationship between Maverick and Iceman would have been that same sex relationships in the military were not allowed at the time.
@validbutatwhatcost8754 Жыл бұрын
LMAO 😂😂 Nice, 50th like man, also I’m wearing aviators rn watching a video on top gun
@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 Жыл бұрын
It's the Navy, same sex relationships are mandatory
@intsoccersuperstar1 Жыл бұрын
What a twist!
@renatocorvaro6924 Жыл бұрын
Sustained! I'm not allowed to do that but I did anyway.
@slactweak Жыл бұрын
Retired Navy here and you are exactly right on both counts.
@theoneandonlygrod 2 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: In the end credits of the movie, the military pilot consultants for the film are listed by their names, ranks and callsigns. It threw me off as a teenager, because the pilots in the movie all have cool callsigns like "Maverick" and "Iceman" and the real pilots are like, "Bozo" and "Dipshit."
@dongquixote7138 2 жыл бұрын
"Horse" Caulk also flew in this movie.
@Kilo6Charlie 2 жыл бұрын
@@dongquixote7138 that is a legendarily good callsign
@blackfoxmember304akaexo8 2 жыл бұрын
@@dongquixote7138 ha
@sirslickrock 2 жыл бұрын
@@deanjustdean7818 Nope because you’re not supposed to swear or cuss over comms. Yes if under distress (like getting actively shot at) no one within reason will call you out.
@pixilatedsarin2408 2 жыл бұрын
I was at an air show and one of the guys was Lt. Prime, and his callsign was "Optimus".
@S8_10 2 жыл бұрын
When I was on a Tiger cruise on the Nimitz one of the pilots call signs was “Wiki”. When I asked how he got that I was told, and I quote, “ he’s like the website, he knows everything but he isn’t always right”
@altejoh 2 жыл бұрын
relatable
@luhedi6303 2 жыл бұрын
Confident yet humble.
@jackielinde7568 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, callsigns are secret jokes between pilots busting on each other. And the callsign they get is never going to be "a cool callsign". There's whole videos talking about how new pilots are given their callsigns. It's hilarious. My suggestion is to ply the "naming committee" (the squadron) with a lot of alcohol paid from your wallet and NEVER, EVER, ask for a callsign.
@nutsandgum 2 жыл бұрын
Battlestar Galactica got this right when one of the new pilots wanting a cool call sign got dubbed "hotdog" for his troubles.
@dankwarmouse6248 2 жыл бұрын
that's such a sick callsign tho
@glennwheeler984 Жыл бұрын
Between the Two Top Gun movies, Maverick was actually charged, but thanks to a stellar defense from his JAG lawyer, Lt. Kaffee (of "A Few Good Men" fame) , he was cleared of all charges.
@Eggy79 4 ай бұрын
That sounds like a lie. I want the truth.
@NotZelda1 4 ай бұрын
@@Eggy79 You can't handle the....oh nevermind.
@dawnduckworth593 8 ай бұрын
The amount of sarcasm demonstrated by this Marine is so perfect. Every other sentence, and said with the straightest face every time.
@levako05d 5 ай бұрын
"It is strongly suggested" killed me.
@raineob4996 29 күн бұрын
This might be one of my favourite Lawyer Reacts videos ever. The pacing, the jokes, all on point.
@TheGrungy1 Жыл бұрын
When I was a kid. We thought Ice man was an asshole. But he is 100% the only person with the balls to tell Maverick he's an asshole.
@ifly-fsx Жыл бұрын
They all have huge egos. If they didn't, they wouldn't be there.
@TickleMoiPickle123 Жыл бұрын
Had the same thing happen when I watched it too. Younger me thought he wasnt nice, but watched it again before the new one was out and was like "huh... He's not actually a dick, he's just saying it how it is" 🤔 It was the same for me when I watched Jurassic Park. Thought that Jeff Goldblum's character was an egotistical dick, but again watched it as an adult as thought "oh... He's actually right and asking the right questions" 😅
@BTAL1ama 8 ай бұрын
@@TickleMoiPickle123To be fair I think that's exactly how he's written, the book paints him as an arrogant "rock-star academic" jerk that no one wants to hear. Problem is he was actually right
@Kei-ye8if 2 жыл бұрын
There's something about a real DA organically using the word "cringe" I can't properly put it into words, but there's something about it
@LegalEagle 2 жыл бұрын
I'll make him say "vibes" next time.
@ConstantlyDamaged 2 жыл бұрын
@@democrrrracymanifest First degree cringe?
@lnsflare1 2 жыл бұрын
@@democrrrracymanifest Which, in the military, is probably an executable offense.
@duddude321 2 жыл бұрын
For when it's not a crime, but if he had his way it would be.
@robertnett9793 2 жыл бұрын
@@lnsflare1 Only in wartimes. Otherwise it's just 4-5 years in the brigg and a dishonorable discharge.
@MrElliott75 10 ай бұрын
My dad served aboard Enterprise during filming and was ordered to be part of that end scene crowd. He was completely pissed off about it as he had to leave the aircraft he was actively working on up on the flight deck.
@suydamdm 9 ай бұрын
Still the most shown video on board Ike as of 2009. They show it at least once a day underway.
@StealthMarmot_ 10 ай бұрын
Talking about Callsigns: In the RAF (British Air Force), Ewan McGregor's brother is/was a pilot. His Callsign is/was "Obi-Two"
@PuppyMonsters Жыл бұрын
As a retired Sailor, the thing that bugged me about the celebration of the crew on the flight deck is, first, like you say, they have abandoned their posts and becoming FOD on the flight line, but second... the enlisted people up there in the colored jerseys would have ZERO clue what happened in the air. Aircraft go up, aircraft come down, none of the information about what a squadron does gets back to the ship's crew.
@alexandersalmas21 Жыл бұрын
I imagine the officers in the tower rolled down their windows and yelled out to the deck "our guys blew up their guys!"
@rockriver2652 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. They would have heard all the scuttlebutt later, but not at that time. And those pilots and RIOs need to get those helmets back on - flight ops ain't over!
@Atsumari Жыл бұрын
Even at civilian airports; ground services know nothing. I work for an airline and had a customer come and rage at me. I'm like... I just unload your plane and put your bags on a belt. I don't fly the plane I have NO IDEA why your plane is here I just heard they need a mechanic. Plane get people and bags plane go bye bye; plane come down unload bags and people... plane go up again.
@plushie946 Жыл бұрын
Makes you think, being a skittle probably makes you wonder what the planes youre sending out are up to. I guess in most cases you'd never know, especially if they're doing actually interesting combat patrols. Then again I'm guessing the vast, vast majority of flights are so uninteresting that they wouldnt care anyways. As long as the plane comes back who cares.
@Zerg435 Жыл бұрын
Nothing comes in the BEFORE the briefing. The upper brass need to know details first. There are many actions in that movie that makes the USA look bad. Mildly said; They have no discipline.
@RandomDudeOne Жыл бұрын
Top Gun was basically a recruiting ad for the US military. I wonder how many people joined up only to realize they couldn't do all this cool stuff.
@ifly-fsx Жыл бұрын
Obviously. But so is poverty. And that's more than just an ad, clearly.
@handsomesquidward5160 Жыл бұрын
Michael Bay's transformer movies are basically military films imo
@ev7d167 Жыл бұрын
They can become fighter pilots just like them, but it’s very hard and competitive.
@Cougar139tweak Жыл бұрын
You know what's even less fun then being a part of Naval Aviation? not being a part of Naval Aviation.....Plenty of cool stuff to be had Was more fun then I expected, more like Animal house + Hot Shots
@guts-141 Жыл бұрын
Well if it was me i'd at least wanna work with aircrafts by being one of the ground crews or something Work on the birds and watch them soar into the sky And if I retire I might keep working as some sort of a mechanic at least
@MartinMCade Жыл бұрын
I did my Navy flight school as an NFO in 1988-1989. Some of the instructors there had been advisors or had worked on the original Top Gun. Their consensus was that Maverick would have lost his wings after the first flyby through a full pattern and the movie would have ended right there.
@williamedwards4603 Жыл бұрын
One of the LTC I had in college had the callsign "Doc" which he earned when his wife went into labor at dinner, and he delivered his child himself. Only Pilot I know with a dope callsign
@jonathanrich9281 3 ай бұрын
There’s one other: Ewan McGregor’s brother was a pilot in the RAF, and his callsign was “Obi-Two.”
@Kalepsis 2 жыл бұрын
My former CO's call sign was Nightmare (Harrier pilot). Cool call sign? Sure. My confidence that the story behind it is actually horribly embarrassing to him on a very personal level? 100%.
@LegalEagle 2 жыл бұрын
WHAT IS THE STORY?
@iGotBulletproof-Insomnia 2 жыл бұрын
Inquiring minds want to know
@Chasmodius 2 жыл бұрын
I guess it's better than "Bedwetter" though?
@kidkangaroo5213 2 жыл бұрын
I'll take "Screaming in your sleep" for 500$, Alex
@ZT1ST 2 жыл бұрын
A question then about callsigns - could someone assigned a horribly embarrassing callsign either request a new callsign, or simply introduce themselves by a different callsign?
@goonerbear8659 2 жыл бұрын
Dude who asked for his call sign to be "Maverick" got issued "Hot Shit" in a heartbeat.
@shadowlover889 Жыл бұрын
My best friend older brother call name was "Badger"....cause he poked one with a stick(it didn't end well for him). His friend he served with, call name was "Bunker" cause he broke his arm falling out of a bunk bed.
@treecan6684 Жыл бұрын
Hey at least Bunker didn't sound so bad.
@caseybass5544 Жыл бұрын
Mine was Fish cause my last name is Bass
@janesmith5194 Жыл бұрын
I would actually be happy with Badger as a call sign, they are very badass... As your friend's brother learned the hard way lol
@christophergoldshot9028 Жыл бұрын
Yeah that's the way of handles
@christophergoldshot9028 Жыл бұрын
My friend had a nickname, I don't know if it's a call sign or not, but his nickname is Newt he found out how toxic a juvenile northern red eft is if ingested.
@OHS24 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like it would suck to be Maverick's defense attorney.
@maxrothgaber9950 Жыл бұрын
Nah that’d be a crazy amount in billables for so many crimes 😂
@OHS24 Жыл бұрын
@@maxrothgaber9950 I take that back lol.
@bricefleckenstein9666 Жыл бұрын
@@maxrothgaber9950 Navy JAG lawyers don't get paid or get to bill hours.
@davidrosenberg9615 Жыл бұрын
@@bricefleckenstein9666 Can't personnel in the armed services hire civilian representation? I wouldn't know, I've never been Court Martialed before.
@bricefleckenstein9666 Жыл бұрын
@@davidrosenberg9615 For most cases, no. Perhaps on capitol cases.
@ColinFox 2 жыл бұрын
Speaking of callsigns, Tom Cruise related a story where during the training for Top Gun, he went with a navy pilot who's CS was "Bozo". During the flight, with a series of hard turns, Tom was starting to feel sick. He leaned forward to reach down to get his barf bag, and at that moment Bozo pulled into a hard-g climb, pushing Tom's face almost to the floor of the plane. He kept trying to call out to the pilot to ease off, but couldn't get any air to speak. Once they DID level off, Tom snapped at him and asked why he did that. "They don't call me Bozo for nothing" was all he said.
@benwillems8584 2 жыл бұрын
There are some cool callsigns, until you get behind the meaning Slag sounds pretty cool. Until you know it means Screams Like A Girl. Maverick could be a cautionary nickname but he's too much ego to learn Iceman could have been (accidentaly) locked in the food freezer at some point
@erikrungemadsen2081 2 жыл бұрын
Nicknames are allways teribble in the military, we had one guy named Dipstick because he fell into an uncovered cesspool in one of our first nighttime exercises we had, he was caught in the hole by the armpits, thus he became Dipstick. Personally i earned the nickname dragon due to loud snorring, drooling and yawning after a trip to the bar.
@LucianCanad 2 жыл бұрын
@@erikrungemadsen2081 Mission failed successfully? Any reasons aside, that's a badass call name.
@kilianortmann9979 2 жыл бұрын
@@erikrungemadsen2081 Its known as a leveling mechanism in anthropology. "It acts to ensure social equality, usually by shaming or humbling members of a group that attempt to put themselves above other members."
@Chaotic_Pixie 2 жыл бұрын
@@erikrungemadsen2081 my spouse is an aerospace engineer and went to school with a bunch of fly boys. They gave him an honorary call sign after learning that his first time "flying" was when he went flying, head first, over the handles on his snow mobile into a snow bank because he confused the stop and the go. Thus, he became Snowpilot. He's rather proud and fond of it. It sounds cool, until you know why he got the moniker.
@moonwatcher4047 Жыл бұрын
Maverick: “That’s right Iceman, I am dangerous.” Steven: “That’s what we call an admission.”
@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 11 ай бұрын
13:50
@Siggy313 Жыл бұрын
Price of a F-5 (in 1978): ~$1.2 million Production budget of Top Gun (1986): $15 million Spencer's look @19:35. Priceless.
@fargosnow994 8 ай бұрын
My physics instructor at the academy was teaching at the Top Gun school when this movie came out. He said that the school saw a spike in unsuitable officers being nominated to TopGun after the movie came out. He had gone to Top Gun in his day, and was about the calmest, nicest, and intelligent man I have ever met. He said that a movie about real top pilots would be very boring.
@itskarl7575 2 жыл бұрын
"I've got the need." "The need for speed?" "Speed is a controlled substance, Devin, you are committing a felony by offering."
@SynthApprentice 2 жыл бұрын
Objection! No offer was actually made.
@itskarl7575 2 жыл бұрын
@@SynthApprentice A matter of interpretation. I'll allow it.
@williamlietz7535 2 жыл бұрын
@@itskarl7575 I don’t believe so. There was no reasonable context to believe Devin was in possession of speed - Devin could’ve asked if he had the need for a dragon, or a brick of gold, but that wouldn’t constitute an offer or any evidence of possession.
@itskarl7575 2 жыл бұрын
@@williamlietz7535 You're out of order!
@williamlietz7535 2 жыл бұрын
@@itskarl7575 objection, standing. This is a maritime court but these objections relate to terrestrial or aerial crimes.
@urbypilot2136 Жыл бұрын
When I learned that military call signs were meant to be something related to a humiliating experience, I started to justify those call signs: - Ice Man probably froze at some point in the past in a minor training exercise where he was supposed to lead the exercise -Goose, certainly his long neck -Maverick is meant to be a misnomer because he was too much of a loose cannon
@tomwhone9804 Жыл бұрын
I think Goose would be a good callsign for a pilot that goosed a woman and ot slapped for it.
@Corn0nTheCobb Жыл бұрын
@@tomwhone9804 how does one "goose"?
@ethanhare8026 Жыл бұрын
Maverick because of the unorthodox way he declares his love of another by jumping on couches.
@urbypilot2136 Жыл бұрын
@@ethanhare8026 That could work!
@HollyW00d81 Жыл бұрын
@@Corn0nTheCobb It's kind of a reverse "Melvin"
@Jackm117 Жыл бұрын
Remember kids as long as there are no witnesses there is no war crime
@cumunist2120 Жыл бұрын
That’s the problem there are plenty of witnesses and these are real crimes not war “crimes”
@josephclark2268 Жыл бұрын
Take a joke…
@suppress4872 Жыл бұрын
@@josephclark2268 nah he's right, we are the witnesses just flying through the sky spying on em
@vinnieg6161 Жыл бұрын
As long as the president pardons you there's also no crime. Just ask my boys at blackwater
@luckyhero2517 10 ай бұрын
Or “it’s not a war crime the first time!”
@mrobject9113 Жыл бұрын
Fun story, I used to ride with a half top helmet because full helmets would get a little stuffy sometimes in the summer. One time when riding on a normal street, in town, doing the speed limit, a bug (I'm not sure what because it probably didn't really matter) hit me right on the cheekbone and man it felt like I got hit with a baseball. After that, I always wore a full face helmet because I wasn't a fan of losing teeth to a large beetle.
@sheboyganshovel5920 9 ай бұрын
Had a full helmet on one time, got hit in the throat by a bee. Bought a leather jacket, wore it collar up. Summer? 900 degrees? I do NOT care, that's not happening again
@luciesimpson6437 7 ай бұрын
Dad loves to tell the story about falling off a motorbike and walking away with only a small scar on his wrist - thing is, he was wearing full body, full helmet protection. The gear was wrecked; the scar happened through half an inch of leather after the road shredded it and the helmet was scratched up to the point of being unrecognisable. I get the feeling it wigs him what would have happened if he hadn't been armoured up to the eyeballs.
@douglanglois456 2 жыл бұрын
A pilot friend (well, father of a friend) earned the callsign "bulldozer." It sounds pretty benign until you learn it was a constant reminder that he once left the taxiway and plowed a significant trench in the grass.
@brysonoakley1028 2 жыл бұрын
I'm loving some of these call sign stories
@waywardmind 2 жыл бұрын
So many people think callsigns are always cool. They're usually attributed to something stupid/impetuous/accidental that the pilot/operator was involved in. However . . . my close friend in the RCAF told a great story about a petite female pilot he came up with who, as a second lieutenant and unbeknownst to her, basically swore out visiting Japanese officers (who were quite a few ranks above her). They apologized to her for the comments they made. Her given callsign was JAK: Japanese Ass-Kicker. One of the few cool/badass callsigns. Most, though, are of the Bulldozer variety. 😂
@CH-em2wu 2 жыл бұрын
Callsigns are almost never because of something cool. They're usually given to you because of a screw up or something embarrassing.
@subtlewhatssubtle 2 жыл бұрын
@@CH-em2wu Yep, this is how my father, a retired RAF captain, ended up with the callsign Auto. Not as in "automobile" but "au-to," the Cantonese word for 'puke,' after what he did to the back of a brand new training jet while he was in SE Asia.
@carlhicksjr8401 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I suppose it's better than 'Ditchdigger'...
@Mmjk_12 2 жыл бұрын
Here in the UK in 1968, a RAF Hunter pilot broke of from his flight and flew over london buzzing the houses of parliament 3 times and flying between tower bridge to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the RAF. He was kicked out of the RAF on medical grounds and held for two days but was sent a keg of beer and later exonerated.
@thomas316 2 жыл бұрын
My Grandfather was in the RN based in Malta in the late-50s (Radio and Radar) and ran a profitable sideline fixing up old cars for resale using Navy time and resources. They also said they kept a keg of beer to quench thirst. It was a very different time. 🤷🏻♂️
@masterofdesaster8 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't the Royal Navy have the option of a daily ration of rum well into the seventies?
@Strideo1 2 жыл бұрын
The pilot was exonerated on the grounds that while what he did was not strictly legal it was strictly awesome
@chegeny 2 жыл бұрын
Flt Lt. Alan Pollock
@fix0the0spade 2 жыл бұрын
@@masterofdesaster8 The Rum Ration ended in 1970, but in true military fashion it was replaced by a daily Beer Allowance which still stands to this day.
@KnifeChatswithTobias Жыл бұрын
I think one of the reasons adultery is frowned upon in the military is because it often leads to soldiers shooting each other.
@steves5373 11 ай бұрын
I'm one of your subs!
@Michael-bb1cw 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, giving someone else in your unit a motive to kill you instead of the enemy definitely sounds like it would be “prejudicial to good order and discipline”. Do not commit adultery, kids. Especially with the spouse of someone who regularly handles weapons.
@lyras.9161 5 ай бұрын
Also, if it was a superior officer messing around with the spouse of a subordinate, that is a potential MASSIVE abuse of power.
@cynthiachappell2081 Жыл бұрын
Adultery by itself can add the complication of possible compromise, particularly depending on your job security responsibility. One of the first things I remember learning is don't do anything that could lend itself to being blackmailed for informational purposes.
@UnicornCentaur 2 жыл бұрын
Omg. Air Force pilot's daughter here, and watching this brought me back to when I first watched this movie with my dad. He would not shut up about all the shit Maverick did lol. Thanks for taking me back y'all
@charismahornum-fries691 2 жыл бұрын
I lived on an Air Force base for 14 years as a kid. The movie was everything for years. I’m also on memory lane here. It’s a lot of fun.
@whoiamiamnot2104 2 жыл бұрын
I know how your dad felt. I'm retired Army watching basically any movie or series that features or is about the military is painful. From the way uniforms are worn, to insignia, to ranks, to how different ranks talk to and interact with each other. To all the stuff with weapons and vehicles. For example Hurt Locker frustrates me so much.
@TheSylvreWolfe 2 жыл бұрын
There is a reason I refuse to watch military based movies anymore. I spend most of the time screaming "they don't do that" or "that's not how that's done!!" at the screen.
@UnicornCentaur 2 жыл бұрын
It's kind of come full circle in a way, as I'm an equestrian and my son says he hates watching movies with me that have horses in them, because I can't shut up about all the shit they're doing wrong lol
@christiangriffin4452 2 жыл бұрын
@@whoiamiamnot2104 True indeed! I’m a former submariner, and it makes my stomach hurt every time I watch Crimson Tide.
@joserentas7302 2 жыл бұрын
No one gets a cool call sign. Tried picking my own cool guy call sign during field training at my first duty station... Was unanimously decided by everyone else that it would be princess. This was in 2003. Some of the guys I keep in touch with still call me that
@pdoylemi 2 жыл бұрын
Like Howard Wolowitz on "Big Bang Theory" trying to get the NASA call sign of "Rocket Man" and wound up with "Frootloops".
@nekonyx 2 жыл бұрын
How do people get callsigns?
@CDRhammond 2 жыл бұрын
Ouch ya that's unlucky defiantly not one you want to introduce yourself as anytime soon.
@CDRhammond 2 жыл бұрын
@@nekonyx Its generally based on either embarrassing events or interests that become known can also be a spin off of a last name. I got lucky and got the call signs "Hammer" and later "Wolf" but I knew one with the callsign "punchout" think you can guess where that came from ;)
@unpronounceable8012 2 жыл бұрын
@@pdoylemi exactly lol
@debl-s5677 Жыл бұрын
Totally love, love, love Spencer's dry humor. He is a terrific "Guest JAG"! I would love to see more of him _anytime_ his presence would be _at all_ beneficial.
@moonwatcher4047 Жыл бұрын
My grandfather did exactly this. Flew & landed naval aircraft on aircraft carriers. He had the call sign Scorch. And according to him, he flew back in the days before the Top Gun school was built. (Either that or he went to Top Gun. Can’t remember exactly.) Back then you could apparently also pick your own callsign. When I asked him if he got his due to something relating to fire.
@CollinMcLean Жыл бұрын
I’m guessing he either accidentally started a fire or an accident resulting in the loss of someone’s eyebrows…
@murlock666 Жыл бұрын
I remember a story of a guy with that same callsign. The reason he had it was because he landed an F-16, jumped on the brakes so hard it set them on fire :)
@moonwatcher4047 Жыл бұрын
@@CollinMcLean He told me the story, I just can’t remember what exactly it was. It was a while ago. But fire was involved. That much I know.
@moonwatcher4047 Жыл бұрын
@@murlock666 Ha! Might share that with him next time I see him if ya wouldn’t mind! ;)
@murlock666 Жыл бұрын
@@moonwatcher4047 no problem lol
@325xitgrocgetter 2 жыл бұрын
"As Maverick's defense attorney..." and 6 years later...Tom Cruise plays a Navy Defense Attorney.
@armyboy0579 Жыл бұрын
That's another Legal Eagle episode entirely
@GhostBear3067 Жыл бұрын
Has Legal Eagle covered A Few Good Men?
@crazypetec-130fe7 Жыл бұрын
@@GhostBear3067 Yes they have, and it's everything you'd want it to be.
@gabecornett8185 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like after this, and based on how casually he pulls that little maneuver Maverick is lucky his callsign isn’t “LadiesRoom”
@AndrewAMartin 2 жыл бұрын
Ladies Head... Or maybe just LH for short. Edit: or maybe Headcall....
@sirslickrock 2 жыл бұрын
Powder room
@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access 2 жыл бұрын
“I’m maverick!” “Bro you’ve taken three girls into the ladies bathroom in like a week. You can choose from PissBoy or Dirty Dick. Pick.”
@dragonweyr44 2 жыл бұрын
Aren't call signs supposed to be only one word?
@mightymikethebear 2 жыл бұрын
@@khamjaninja. call sign Creeper
@owenklein1917 Жыл бұрын
I never was able to figure out how these lawyers just have all these laws memorized. I know that’s what they are taught to learn but I find it crazy how anyone can learn and memorize all this stuff. Very impressive.
@kennethhill613 Жыл бұрын
Im sure they brain stormed all this before they pressed record.
@vittoriasalvia3778 Жыл бұрын
I think they don't just learn it, but also understand it😊 which I think it is the best way to learn something😅🤔
@timkeenan7419 Жыл бұрын
I used to tell my troops in Kandahar, it's all about perspective, they're the bad guys only because they're on the wrong team. In their eyes you're the invader and you're the bad guy.
@jtfike 10 ай бұрын
Hitler was the bad guy, even if you were German.
@NightDocs 2 жыл бұрын
Bring this guy back!
@pokepress 2 жыл бұрын
I could go for “Laws Broken: Battleship”. The movies are about equally realistic.
@CDRhammond 2 жыл бұрын
@@pokepress Pretty much I was no JAG but I can tell you that Lt. in the movie battleship never would have left port on any ship after that fight he had with if I remember correctly a Japanese Naval Captain who is in fact a senior officer to his USN rank.
@NukeMarine 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see his take on A Few Good Men as there was a lot wrong with that movie.
@Treblaine 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love it if he could return for the cinematic masterpiece that is Iron Eagles.
@NukeMarine 2 жыл бұрын
@cak01vej Legal Eagle did it along with a group of other movies, not a stand alone. It'd be interesting to hear a JAG's take on the movie and what it got wrong (for example, there's no UCMJ article for "conduct unbecoming a US Marine" that they ended up being found guilty of violating).
@timashwood9973 2 жыл бұрын
In Australia we call motorcycle riders without helmets “Temporary Australians” and “Organ Donors”.
@mutilatedpopsicles 2 жыл бұрын
I just call them "no brainers"
@johnharris6655 2 жыл бұрын
Mr. Smithers to Mr. Burns as Mr. Burns is picking out new organs "All that money you donate to Anti-Helmet law groups is really paying off sir"
@stitchesandstaples 2 жыл бұрын
As an Aussie I had to laugh and agree.
@zaph2580 2 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile in Indonesia, Aussie's neighbor, they are as common as house flies.
@kensingtonchapp4819 2 жыл бұрын
I live in Arizona where helmets are not required, and I continually got mocked by one particular fellow rider because I always wear a helmet, without exception, and the law on my bike is that my passengers will too. Guess who died in a motorcycle crash while not wearing a helmet. Oh the sweet, morbid irony.
@shutup4607 Жыл бұрын
My dad told me his call sign was Sea Gull because he got attacked by sea gulls while eating lunch 😀
@masterman1001 Жыл бұрын
10/10 lawyerman said "cringe", i love him now.
@bval2201 Жыл бұрын
This lawyer is a total cringe himself with the law this and law that. This is what's wrong with America for sure, He's definitely a Biden voter
@Rlrlrl1962 Жыл бұрын
It’s not cringe when a young Tom Cruise does it tho.
@unwashedotaku 2 жыл бұрын
Clarification for Clearance: Just because you have TSSCI clearance, does NOT mean you get to hear everything that is TSSCI. You still need to have a "Need to know" to have that information. It needs to be absolutely vital for the person to know this information. So even if someone says " I have the clearance" your response should be "Why do you need to know?"
@dongquixote7138 2 жыл бұрын
Your response should be "cool, find out through the proper channels."
@jfbeam 2 жыл бұрын
"If you _have clearance,_ you'd already have been briefed."
@stevecuddles 2 жыл бұрын
Her job is to analyze the capabilities of the adversary's aircraft and instruct the pilots on them. That means she has need to know because she cannot possibly do that without being looped in on new intelligence like first hand observation of the craft's performance, including the context of the situation that allows her to assess that information. Maverick jumped in in the middle of a lecture to interject that he had seen the MiG28 do something that she had just said it couldn't do, and when she pressed for details of the circumstances he said "Oh, you don't have the clearance for that." Well, she does, and their CO standing right next to them knows that-- that's why he brought her there to lecture them on what are surely Classified details about opposing aircraft. Even Maverick knows it or he wouldn't have ALREADY told her that the plane can do a negative 4 G dive. He's just deliberately being a dick.
@marhawkman303 2 жыл бұрын
@@dongquixote7138 Absolutely! If she needed to know she shouldn't be asking in a semi-public environment. But, despite what Maverick says, I get the feeling it's operational information that (in theory) everyone present should know already and he's just being a dick. I mean, he's not called "Maverick" for actually following orders like a good officer, now is he?
@jamesgaston2745 2 жыл бұрын
exactly, my wife has clearance through her job and when she got it the first thing they told her was unless explicitly told otherwise, assume you have no right or authority to share information with anyone.
@timothyknoles976 2 жыл бұрын
I served with a pilot who was call sign SHAK. It was a perfect call sign. 1. It described the gentleman. He had a large frame. 2. It tells the story in of itself. 3. It's an acronym. The military loves acronyms. Shit Himself Above Kandahar it was an honor to serve with you.
@petermcgill1315 2 жыл бұрын
In the new one another guy also has an acronym. BOB.
@juntingiee2602 Жыл бұрын
@@petermcgill1315 Bouncing On Boobs
@markrogers7304 Жыл бұрын
@@petermcgill1315 Bob callsign really cracked me up...lol
@funnyman8713 Жыл бұрын
@@petermcgill1315 Baby on board lol
@TheFiddleFaddle Жыл бұрын
Mine was "Peeps." I walked in on my major while she was using her breast pump.
@Technoid_Mutant Жыл бұрын
'Mav' is in bigger trouble than you think. That 'Ladies Room" is located on the quarterdeck of Naval Recruit Training Command San Diego.
@dstone1701 Жыл бұрын
At approx 13:00 your guest refers to menial office work. I was familiar with a former pilot who was kept on an air base and placed in charge of 'Foreign Object Damage' (FOD) patrol - essentially a work party whose job is to police up any and all debris on the runways and taxiways so that it doesn't get sucked into engines where it could cause catastrophic damage.
@ComboBreakerHD Жыл бұрын
This JAG is both hilarious and the most anti-fun guy I've ever seen
@terrymactire1669 Жыл бұрын
As is the cause with most Marine officers
@T.S.000 Жыл бұрын
As "Terry Mactire" mentioned, he was a Marine officer; and quite possibly, a ring knocker as well (he graduated from the Anal Academy).
@Mooncricketstinks Жыл бұрын
@@terrymactire1669 yea, when they turn POG their humor goes out along with their humility and accountability.
@terrymactire1669 Жыл бұрын
@@Mooncricketstinks As a pog this offends me. That being said there's some truth to it.
@M1tjakaramazov Жыл бұрын
He has a very strange brand of deadpan going...
@politicaleconomist6116 2 жыл бұрын
"Who is this random guy driving his motorcycle on our flight line and shaking his fist at us? I'd get an investigation going at least" I feel like that was unintentional gold
@tlevans62 2 жыл бұрын
agreed!
@ronaninkster32652 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact, the ship being sent out to rescue the SS Layton is actually the USS Enterprise (CVN-65), the first nuclear powered aircraft carrier also starring in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home released in the same year as top gun. A great year for the vessel and for anyone who is a Star Trek nerd
@SFisher1993 Жыл бұрын
Another fun fact: the Enterprise in TVH is actually the USS Ranger.
@__The_Real_V__ Жыл бұрын
@@SFisher1993 I came here to say exactly this.
@traviswalker4126 11 ай бұрын
It wondered into foreign territory
@chancechhet3956 Жыл бұрын
11:05 Another thing to add about this little part. Not only do you need the clearance but you also have to have the need to know for lots of programs. Not only is there clearance requirements and needs to know, but discussion of classified information is also limited to certain areas, typically not open air bays and especially not at any random brief where. A third point is everyone could have the correct clearance, perhaps be a part of the program that could get them that said info, and be in a classified processing area and you can still get in trouble for disclosure of certain information at improper times.
@frogsinpants 2 жыл бұрын
"It's going to be a bad day for you if that person does not in fact have that security clearance." It'll be a bad day even if they do have the security clearance, since they would also need to have a need to know for the specific classified information they asked you for.
@elli71 2 жыл бұрын
Even if they have have the security clearance and demonstrated need to know, they're in a hangar, not a SCIF.
@MrEscape314 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I was surprised they didn't mention need to know.
@JakeSezz 2 жыл бұрын
And, on top of all that, going around stating “I have a Security Clearance” is enough to get that privilege revoked *at minimum* for punishment. And in the Navy, every rate requires some level of a sec clx.
@jcspoon573 2 жыл бұрын
I did have some instructors once insist since they had Secret clearances I could tell them about my TS/SCI job and they could figure out what I could relay to the class. I instead gave a class on how to qualify for my job field instead. It was the only one that anyone took notes in, and none of our presentations were going to be tested on.
@deusvult6920 2 жыл бұрын
@@elli71 you don't have to be in a SCIF to discuss classified information. I used to be in CID and we did classified investigations all the time. We stored our cases in a SCIF while working then (it was annoying to have to go to the signal command HQ to put my case file in secured storage every night) but our office wasn't a SCIF and we still discussed out cases
@nsahandler 2 жыл бұрын
"Nobody has a cool call sign like that" There is military-wide nickname convention of someone's nickname or call sign being their shittiest trait or literally the name of what they do if they are integrated with another unit. Maverick would have been called "Napoleon" for sure. 100%. No doubt in my mind.
@raikai7426 2 жыл бұрын
I’d have tried to make it “Tiny D”.
@bretsheeley4034 2 жыл бұрын
How about "Boner-pard"
@Zraknul 2 жыл бұрын
Maverick would never climb the chain well enough to be Napoleon.
@Sizdothyx 2 жыл бұрын
Maverick's call-sign actually suits him. It's his shittiest trait: he's a maverick; basically a rattlesnake's tail about how he's a loose cannon and not a good team player. Even Charlotte and Iceman comment on it. The only three who have "cool" callsigns are Iceman (pun very much intended), Sundown and Viper.
@SirWulfrick 2 жыл бұрын
Ewan McGregor's brother flies in the RAF and his call sign is Obi-Two. Not US, sure, but a cool call sign.
@cruye9633 5 ай бұрын
The theory I've heard is that there are actual embarassing stories behind all the "cool" callsigns in Top Gun Goose - snores so loud it sounds like he's honking Iceman - locked himself in a freezer
@samanthaw3845 10 ай бұрын
HAHAHA Re: call signs - my brother ended up with a super embarrassing call sign bc he drank way too much at a house party once and threw up all over the couch and the couch had to be THROWN OUT. He has wholly embraced it and absolutely loves his call sign, but you’re 100% right about call signs being a result of something stupid or embarrassing.
@elvismansoncpa 2 жыл бұрын
I was assigned to a ship in San Diego in 1986, the year Top Gun was made. On military bases it was illegal to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. BUT offbase in plain old California, at the time you COULD ride without a helmet. It wasn't unusual for sailors and civilians who worked on base to wear a helmet on their way out the gate, then remove it as they sped away!
@tananario 2 жыл бұрын
They were idiots.
@raitchison 2 жыл бұрын
In 88 or 89 when I was in Great Mistakes I saw someone go to mast for not wearing a helmet when riding off-base. Illinois did not have a helmet law at the time.
@SmallSpoonBrigade 2 жыл бұрын
To this day, the standards are higher for military bases and motorcycles. You need not just the regular license, but also additional training.
@DonP_is_lostagain 2 жыл бұрын
In the Air Force, not only is a helmet required, but so is a reflective garment. The services are pretty rigid about motorcycle usage, and if you're not wearing protective gear (mainly a helmet) should you get in an accident, your survivors could have your life insurance claim denied.
@johnplath1072 2 жыл бұрын
...and it's unclear if Maverick is on base or on a highway alongside the runway. If he is on base I'd be more concerned he is potentially riding on a parallel runway and an inbound plane is going to take him out than that he isn't wearing a helmet...
@MrGrumblier Жыл бұрын
There is another aspect of security clearances. Just having "Top secret" clearance means nothing without a clear "need to know".
@rbishop9062 Жыл бұрын
I was going to point that out, you beat me to it.
@BradAckerman Жыл бұрын
And the classified discussion needs to take place in a facility approved for that. Which if any of the locations in Maverick are, NCIS is going to have to spend weeks compiling a damage report given that everyone appears to take their phone everywhere. (One thing the original movie did correctly: nobody took their phone into a SCIF, if only because they couldn't at the time.)
@MrGrumblier Жыл бұрын
@@BradAckerman It was 1986. No one had a phone to take anywhere.
@BradAckerman Жыл бұрын
@@MrGrumblier Indeed.
@nathanjasper512 Жыл бұрын
@@MrGrumblier Exactly. these kids man.
@lord_matto8660 Жыл бұрын
Im so happy to hear someone else bring up the secondary argument of how horrible the wind would be without a helmet at anything above 30
@Psych_777 Жыл бұрын
Marine here. The Marine JAG you brought on this episode is hilarious as hell! Agree on all points.
@camelfilters3224 2 жыл бұрын
"Since everyone on the internet is an expert in military law, what makes you qualified..." Wonderful opening statement. 👏 👏 👏 👏
@jkhoover 2 жыл бұрын
I guess, if you want to call him "qualified".
@xXJMatherXx 2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the best copypasta to ever exist right after it.
@zackwatson6438 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll have you know I got my Juris Doctorate from American Military University, mainly concentrating on Barracks Law.
@vegetablelasagna2684 2 жыл бұрын
@@jkhoover You're clearly not even qualified to type full sentences 😅 Barely passable grammar, at best 😏
@vegetablelasagna2684 2 жыл бұрын
@@zackwatson6438 I once fought a speeding ticket.
@megsley 2 жыл бұрын
thank you for promoting motorcycle helmets! my uncle was killed a few years ago in a crash - he was wearing one of those little "prop" helmets that only cover the top of your skull. he ended up with a severe skull fracture beneath the back of his ear which killed him. please PLEASE always wear a helmet, and wear a high quality helmet that covers your entire head and face!
@ChineduOpara 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah "but I don't wanna look like a nerd, I wanna look _cool_ " 😄
@thomas316 2 жыл бұрын
"All the gear, all the time." Happy riding! 🙂👍
@the_kombinator 2 жыл бұрын
My uncle flew a few dozen feet after hitting a Fiat 125p on his Harley like 10 years ago. He'll never walk properly again. This and having a friend die from excessive speed, is why I won't ride. If I did though, I'd wear more than a helmet.
@SsnakeBite 2 жыл бұрын
There's a reason they always tell you not to touch a motor-biker who's been in an accident and especially not remove the helmet: it could very well be the only thing holding their skull together at that moment, they're designed with that in mind as well. Call an ambulance and do whatever the operator tells you but DO NOT. TOUCH. THE HELMET.
@trippybruh1592 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't save a buddy of mine even wearing dull gear. Be careful taking left turns in busy intersections.
@michaelmiguel6937 Жыл бұрын
Being in the military my mom asked me if I liked the movie. I was like no if anything the military experience ruined the movie for me because how unlikely almost every aspect of the movie would have been
@grandmafrosty 6 ай бұрын
Oh yeah, my mom doesn't like to watch military related movies with me anymore because I nitpick. I'm somewhat able to suspend disbelief for Top Gun 2, but yeah. The flight deck and hangar bay scenes annoy the crap out of me
@ninaseda9193 Жыл бұрын
I love these two 🙂👏🏻 Great work Devin and Spencer!
@Spectre-907 Жыл бұрын
"why does the military frown on adultery" For the same reason betraying your peers in any other way is: it destroys unit cohesion
@Grandslam245 Жыл бұрын
And because its generally disgusting. Destroys a lot of people.
@Eluderatnight Жыл бұрын
But if the wife pulls a "dear john" john gets to pay.
@no_activity Жыл бұрын
And yet, people who work for the military have the highest divorce rate among all career types. Jodie is always busy, and is hated by everyone.
@ianshaver8954 Жыл бұрын
At the end of the day, marriage is an agreement, and adultery is the breaking of that agreement. If someone can’t be trusted to keep his promise to his wife, can you trust him with your back on the battlefield?
@h8GW Жыл бұрын
@Ian Shaver IDK. The impulsiveness you get from being horny is pretty different from an impulsiveness to betray your country.
@SpawnofChaos2010 2 жыл бұрын
In a great interview with a former F-14 and F-16N pilot (Keith Nancy), he stated that although some aspects of Top Gun (the flight school) was accurately portrayed, there was no Top Gun trophy, "Because if there was, you'd have had guys killing themselves trying to win it."
@Redmanticore Жыл бұрын
as goose did die in the movie for nothing, just for imaginary points in a training exercise.
@tyvulpintaur2732 Жыл бұрын
Yup the real TOPGUN is simply a pass/fail course.
@cepeck65 Жыл бұрын
@@Redmanticore Goose would have never died. That canopy would have been nowhere near him. The Tomcat used a similar canopy ejection rocket to my F-15D model, and I saw one in a video being tested for a new canopy we were supposed to be getting. That canopy left the sitting aircraft so fast the camera operator couldn't follow it well until it was well away from the aircraft. Now add a flat spin on top of it, give me a break! "Top Gun" is the biggest joke movie based on the military of all time.
@verticalflyingb737 Жыл бұрын
@@cepeck65 Hey, at least it's better than certain movies
@unusualbydefault Жыл бұрын
@@cepeck65 Dr. Schallhorn said during his interview for the movie, he explained how a flat spin could actually happen with an F-14 and that it complicates ejection. "The aerodynamics of the F-14 flat spin affect the timing of the ejection sequence," Dr. Schallhorn said. "The canopy is jettisoned, followed by the ejection of the back seat, followed by the front seat. In a flat spin, the canopy, when it ejects, bobbles for an extra few hundredths of a second above the aircraft. That upsets the carefully engineered sequence because the guy in the back could then hit the canopy. That sequence made it into the movie."
@Trip_Fontaine 11 ай бұрын
This movie portrays the military as like some kind of wacky college fraternity where you can pull pranks on people and the dean will just give you a smack on the wrist, lol.
@kennethhill613 4 ай бұрын
Lol right "that's an order!" Actually means something
@cdmcintyre1854 Жыл бұрын
I had Top Secret Clearance when I worked my last duty station in Washington DC area and I could not reveal anything that I had or knew except to the persons that I was told to give it to and I had to know that they had the proper clearances and also the need to know the information that was requested.
@MistsMagic 2 жыл бұрын
I'm dying! Devin building up to his Danger Zone joke and Spencer trying to figure out what law or terminology he is forgetting until Devin says Danger Zone and he just gets that "Son of a..." look on his face.
@fuzzblightyear145 2 жыл бұрын
I just keep having Archer flashbacks
@MistsMagic 2 жыл бұрын
@@fuzzblightyear145 Especially the way he keeps saying it.
@faitheffect254 2 жыл бұрын
I think he literally thought Devin was an idiot for a moment. Look at his face when he first says “planes are going into a zone of danger”.
@KarlDag 2 жыл бұрын
Timestamp?
@MistsMagic 2 жыл бұрын
@@KarlDag 19:26
@xlr8436 2 жыл бұрын
“Why would she be speaking to them if she had a PhD in Astrophysics?” Probably cause she has a PhD in astrophysics but research grants were crap and went into a tangentially related job at Northrop Grumman that has very little to do with her actual degree but pays a lot more 😂
@Alphonselle 2 жыл бұрын
hits...too close to home...
@nosajybsorc 2 жыл бұрын
Also because the real-life woman Charlie is inspired by-Christine Fox-has a degree in astrophysics. She and Kelly McGillis actually looked quite alike at the time.
@nevillec5252 2 жыл бұрын
Stars are fluid bodies (specifically plasma), so many astrophysicists do actually need a working knowledge of fluid mechanics, in addition to plasma physics.
@lakodamon 2 жыл бұрын
Or Raytheon, or Boeing, or BAE Systems, or General Dynamics... and so on
@DigitalIP 2 жыл бұрын
They also said she was a Civilian Contractor, so the PhD was just a secondary credit with Contractor being the main.
@gonzo26nix 9 ай бұрын
the two of you played off of one another really quite well.. the look of shock and indignation on his face at the end was sublime when he noted that they should all be actually doing their jobs, not celebrating.
@daniellewallace1996 7 күн бұрын
Something I love about Legal Eagle is that he's never afraid to learn something. He always asks questions instead of just assuming something. I wish more lawyers and people in general would feel this way.
@w0t3rdog Жыл бұрын
I like the theory, that the US was willfully trying to provoke a war against the opposing country, by sending hothead pilots to the area, which they hoped would cause an incident which would have good scapegoats in case the incident was ill timed, or a good excuse if they were ready for war. Seriously, after stepping out of bounds so many times... who recommended them for top gun, and why?
@vbscript2 Жыл бұрын
My guess is writer, producer, or director and because it made a better-selling plot. :)
@skurdibbles7913 Жыл бұрын
Top gun program was started because a high ranking pilot was flying a training mission when two young pilots flying crappy planes on another training mission decided to dog fight with him and beat the higher ranking officer in a maneuver. The beginning of Nam was a clusterfuck for American fighters until they figured it out
@skurdibbles7913 Жыл бұрын
The two original pilots, one of the new pilots and the older officer have given interviews on the start of the program.
@skurdibbles7913 Жыл бұрын
@@nordoceltic7225 yeah I know that's why the senior officer who got beat by immediately found out who the two pilots were who beat him cause they were in a much slower non fighter bird. The officer and the new pilot came up with top gun
@unit0137 Жыл бұрын
Well to be fair, if a pilot could do so much that was unrealistic and impossible at times, you'd sure as hell be put up for top gun lol
@clownplayer7265 Жыл бұрын
"If he were at war...he could get the death penalty." That scary moment when you realize Vader executing his officers for incompetence during a war is an actual real deal in military to an extend. (Well...minus the "no trial" instant execution thing, but still.)
@rustyhowe3907 Жыл бұрын
All those silly frilly trials for proper justice just isn't affordable for a dude running a planet destroyer, he don't have the USA's military budget after all.😂
@kirbyculp3449 Жыл бұрын
Stalin had no problem with speedy executions.
@Mostlyharmless1985 Жыл бұрын
Good news! Summary court marshal and execution is a thing in the UCMJ! I don't think it applies to death penalties but pretty much you can be tried and convicted on the spot, or as close to on the spot as you can get in the United States.
@wildfire9280 Жыл бұрын
@@kirbyculp3449 But can Stalin use the force? I didn’t think so, checkmate atheist.
@3adgamd3r Жыл бұрын
@@Mostlyharmless1985 it probably does, treason and cowardice are both punishable by summery execution during a time of war iirc, although the cowardice one might’ve been written out of the law
@ericschneider118 Жыл бұрын
To be fair this was before 1992 when California passed it's motorcycle helmet law.
@tommykruesofficial 4 ай бұрын
It's refreshing just seeing more laid back and funny approach to explaining law's. I'm just a music man so all this is cool to learn. Thanks Devin! Thanks Spencer!
@realitystrikes1998 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to point out that when Jester dove into the Hard Deck he effectively by the rules of the dog fight NOSEDIVED INTO THE GROUND. That ladies and gentlemen is called a Terrain Kill. Maverick would have every right in that moment to make fun of Jester, a Top Gun instructor mind you, for intentionally smashing himself into the Earth just to get out of a radar lock over the radio to the effect of "How does the Earth feel Jester or should I say Crater now?' (Edited because spellig mistake :D) PS: If you wanted to really help Mavrick out of this scene he could have said 'Jester broke the rules first sir. I don't see him getting repremanded.' or you could have had Jester intentionally diving to hard deck two other times to reset the fight, Mavrick finially having enough and locking him up to prove the point adding to his defence.
@petrairene Жыл бұрын
That thought occured to me, too. No need to shoot him after he crossed the hard deck. Jester had done himself in already.
@martinkuliza Жыл бұрын
Ok Firstly , Given how long the movie has been around for and the popularity of Maverick i need to point out that MAVERICK is spelt with a K Mate, you can't just put his name down as MAVERIC and not expect anyone who grew up with the movie to say anything , ok LOL............ I mean seriously if i wrote down GOOZE or EYESMAN you'd say something as well Please make the appropriate corrections and give Maverick his due respect
@chaeairsoft Жыл бұрын
@@martinkuliza it’s not that deep
@evanogburn Жыл бұрын
@@martinkuliza shut up boomer, no one cares about maveric or gooze either
@martinkuliza Жыл бұрын
@@chaeairsoft Yes it is mate, This is an iconic character and honestly No one has any excuse , after this much time to spell the name incorrectly also.. How could you spell it incorrectly , Seriously i mean if you like Top gun the first thing you think of is Maverick it's like Mad Max, the first thing you think of is Max Sorry mate, this time you're wrong, Spelling Maverick's Name correctly is mandatory
@ThreePointOneFou Жыл бұрын
7:40 "No one has a cool call sign like that." Judging from the _actual_ call signs of the stunt pilots that appear in the closing credits, I have to agree.
@KomradeDoge Жыл бұрын
Yeah like Lt. Peter "Horse" Caulk. Say that one out loud and tell me you aren't dying of laughter. Guarantee his squadron mates were when they gave him that one. Bozo and Loner are some other highlights.
@achtsekundenfurz7876 Жыл бұрын
The other thread mentioned lots of punnery on names: a female pilot Katrina "Hurricane", a "Headless" Horstmann, and a "Vodka" Smirnoff. Definitely NOT Hollywood-style callsigns, but not related to any cringeworthy incidents. For all we know, "Iceman" could have locked himself in the freezer room. ;)
@kkitty44 Жыл бұрын
@@KomradeDoge OMG i didn't even notice that, ... i'm definitely dying of laughter!
@Ballin4Vengeance Жыл бұрын
@@achtsekundenfurz7876 I tremble in fear at what callsign “Dickinson” would get… Something like “My” or “Fitya”
@kereminde Жыл бұрын
@@Ballin4Vengeance "Emily", naturally.
@pcl8993 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your input and review Spencer
@VibeXplorer Жыл бұрын
As a huge fan of Top Gun (defined so much of my life in the late 80's), this was a thoroughly enjoyable and interesting and and humorous AND well-done discussion! Will watch other videos on this channel, starting with A Few Good Men....
@MikeJones-qn1gz Жыл бұрын
Fun thing about Military law, you’ll notice that whenever they point out an event and the charges in them you may notice that there are multiple. Most often when the military really wants to actually charge you, they will throw in atleast 3 and 1 will always be conduct unbecoming because it guarantees that this charge will likely stick. In short don’t commit any crimes in the military, you won’t win.
@TheDecoCottage Жыл бұрын
Just like the civilian criminal judicial system. The DAs office will always file multiple charges; “conduct unbecoming of an officer” is the military equivalent of disorderly conduct.
@MikeJones-qn1gz Жыл бұрын
@@TheDecoCottage Pretty much
@redrb26dett Жыл бұрын
@@TheDecoCottage that’s only for officers ie commissioned normal military ie soldiers and sailors and airmen it’s bringing the service in to disrepute it covers everything from sneezing on parade to killing the president and everything between
@achtsekundenfurz7876 Жыл бұрын
Basically the "Murder, arson, jaywalking" clichê. Throw some minor but easy to prove in, so it's not a "dismissed on all counts." Even if the only one the y can prove is minor, it'll go down in your record. Also, there are probably 3 levels of "buzzing the tower": one, as mentioned, during the Top Gun program, would be the least severe. Two, in an area of active tension during an official military operation, it would not only be unsafe flying, but disrupting a military operation. That's already pretty bad. IDK what the offense is called exactly, but it's already a severe one, since it can not only mean harm or death to a single other aircraft but also harm an important mission, which can easily lead to e.g. loss of the ship in question. If that offense sticks, Maverick would face dishonorable discharge and some years. The third and most severe one is in a war, whether a declared one or one triggered by an act of war. As has been mentioned, in that case, death penalty wouldn't be off the table.
@parkermagoo516 Жыл бұрын
Yes, and don't forget Double Jeopardy. Once you are flogged in Civilian Court's, the military gets in line and goes to work on you.
@AndiKravljaca Жыл бұрын
Adultery is the security risk. Anytime somebody can have pictures of someone, which they threatened to disseminate or publish, that person now has an incentive to do something to prevent the publishing of those pictures. Prosecuting adultery, is basically an immune system against spying.
@orion8981 Жыл бұрын
That would really only apply to TS/SCI, where even a missed credit card payment could end you. The rule is pretty strictly because of old school morals and general discipline.
@XMysticHerox Жыл бұрын
Let's not pretend as if this is the actual reason for these laws. If that were the case a lot of things would be banned which are not.
@Mauther Жыл бұрын
There's also a safety issue. You don't want a messy affair, where the betrayed party has access to automatic weapons much less artillery.
@JoeSmith-tc6eg Жыл бұрын
Your co could bed your wife. Would you then follow his orders to charge that bunker?
@rp1645 Жыл бұрын
YES, and I was thinking of Relationship with a spy. The other side plays dirty like that. Just to drain Pilots mind, say as simple as pillow talk. Loss lips sink ships as old saying goes.
@Joeyratatouille Жыл бұрын
Not to mention, clearance doesn't mean that you have access to all things that are covered under that clearance. It's just a threshold for certain classified projects. For the most part It's still need to know and unless you're supposed to be sharing information with a specific entity. It's crazy to me how people don't understand this and just think that if someone possesses a certain level of clearance the government automatically just trusts them with all information at that level.
@spforevr11 Жыл бұрын
surprised there was absolutely no discussion of Goose's death and the very brief scene of Mav getting cleared of it. I know it technically wasn't a broken law as he was cleared, but still expected some discussion of why he was cleared, what would have happened if he wasn't, etc.
@michaelj.mcmurray540 2 жыл бұрын
"I object your honor!!!" As a former Navy service member I can assure you Naval Aviators are "so cringe" when it comes to the ladies. In Australia I was chatting up this young lady and all was going well. A pilot from my squadron came up and all he said was "I fly the war birds he fixes. You know, like those guys in Top Gun." She didn't speak to me the rest of the night. I also object on the grounds that Naval Aviators don't get cool call signs. While on board the USS Carl Vinson there was an F-18 pilot whose last name was Mawheeney. And his callsign was "Lick". Coolest calllsign ever!!!!
@technetium 2 жыл бұрын
Can confirm. My colleague “Squiggy” mentioned Lick when we were having a conversation a few years ago about odd call signs.
@sirslickrock 2 жыл бұрын
Naw man… that guy ate the Banana 🍌 at The Stage… or something else equally nasty AF.
@TheActualJae 2 жыл бұрын
That’s like a scene straight out of Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. Like, just about literally 0_0
@danielhopkins2277 2 жыл бұрын
I probably would have said something like "True Buddy.... My job is to repair highly complex supersonic aircraft, and make sure you can focus on enemies and not have to worry about your life all the time because your work equipment might not work properly." And if he's an *ss and does this regularly, probably something like "How are things with the wife and kids? I heard the marriage is on the verge of breaking up after the gonorrhoea thing?"
@mikkoj1977 2 жыл бұрын
"Lick" Mawheeney.. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@christianc.christian5025 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, don’t worry… The internet experts on military law will *still* tell your expert that they’re wrong.
@ChineduOpara 2 жыл бұрын
It's internet culture 😂
@LegalEagle 2 жыл бұрын
True in all things.
@christianc.christian5025 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChineduOpara See: the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard trial. Having differing opinions on an actors’ divorce is one thing. Having a differing opinion than a surgeon on their area of expertise when you’re a layperson is another.
@spaceghost704 2 жыл бұрын
Especially those who studied through Barracks School of Law.
@jcspoon573 2 жыл бұрын
Some of his claims may or may not be followed up on, but to the letter he was correct. Mind you, the JAG is much more consistent than civilian lawyers because there's only one UCMJ.
@ashxf 10 ай бұрын
Great commentary guys! I loved it!
@cartnonarcs9519 Жыл бұрын
OBJECTION: As such a cool lawyer that was the nerdiest high five I have ever seen. Sustained?
@wingwong186 Жыл бұрын
Sustained
@chadwickwright4723 Жыл бұрын
Don't u mean strenuously object. Oh u know what I mean, just a line from another Cruz movie.😄😄
@thatoneguyinthecomments2633 2 жыл бұрын
My call sign was Gravedigger. The back story is I had surgery and was grounded for 6 months, and ended up on funeral detail for 3 months in a row, and continued getting last minute calls after I was no longer on it, usually to fill in for a fri/sat funeral several hours away the following morning. Kinda sucked but I got a bunch of day passes from the squadron commander because of it, which also turned in to a joke among the company after awhile.
@marwapranata5698 2 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, Gravedigger sounds like a cool name for those who don't know the backstory
@silverhawkflash 2 жыл бұрын
Gravedigger doesn't exactly sound like a silly name for a pilot. Kinda badass, actually.
@benwillems8584 2 жыл бұрын
@@marwapranata5698 that's where most callsigns come from. Slag sounds cool. Dude Screamed like a girl first time he was shot from the carrier catapult
@thestranger9608 2 жыл бұрын
That's Awesome name. Makes me think of the monster truck called grave digger
@marhawkman303 2 жыл бұрын
@@benwillems8584 "Screams Like A Girl" ahahahaahahaha...... So you have to properly spell it "S.L.A.G." Oooh boy. I honestly think that after having seen the movie a few times, while Maverick and Iceman sound cool... they're absolutely derogatory. Iceman is for his demeanor to other pilots. He's cold and not very calculating, just mean. And Maverick... earned his because he's constantly doing stuff he knows he shouldn't do because it's dangerous and could get him kicked out of the service.
@peterepeatepete2845 2 жыл бұрын
Side note: Pennsylvania overturned their law about having to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle in 2003. My wife worked in a PA hospital and the accidents she saw because of that were horrific. Please please please wear your helmet when riding even if you don’t have to.
@markdoldon8852 2 жыл бұрын
There is a reason transplant doctors occasionally refers to motorcycles as "donor cycles" . Most motorcycle fatalities head trauma, and when some kid decides he is tough enough not to wear a helmet, his accident may provide a dozen or more nice healthy organs to keep smarter people alive.
@subparnaturedocumentary 2 жыл бұрын
it was even more ridiculous when famous veterans stadium judge seamus McCaffery was often seen riding without a helmet
@thomasbecker9676 2 жыл бұрын
You have to remember though, outside of Pittsburgh and Philly, it's Pennsyltucky, where idiocy abounds.
@rankothefiremage 2 жыл бұрын
Then the GOP repealed the Michigan helmet law, motorcycle deaths went up and insurance rates did too.
@pennyforyourthots 2 жыл бұрын
I still to this day have no idea why people overturn laws like this. It's like overturning a law on wearing your seatbelt, it's such a minor inconvenience that prevents so many problems later on. If you aren't smart enough to take basic safety precautions, you're probably not smart enough to make the choice on whether you should overturn them
@joshuajwars4271 Жыл бұрын
Spencer & Devin you 2 nailed the scenes perfectly.
@JimP226 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video! I can't wait until you do Maverick. Gotta be a few good ones in there.
@Violent2aShadow 2 жыл бұрын
Another thing about adultery: It would very much affect your security clearance. A foreign government with knowledge about your affair could use that as leverage against you.
@blackswanmtg 2 жыл бұрын
Only if the affair is not public. I have heard you can fess up to tons of stuff during your clearance process with no problem, it's the stuff that they find that you didn't mention that gets you.
@verdatum 2 жыл бұрын
@@blackswanmtg It's more nuanced than this. The deciding factor is if that knowledge means an adversary has power over you. So like, if you don't want your wife to find out, it doesn't matter if you are honest about the affair on your clearance form. On the other hand, if you list as one of your references your lover, who has a husband, And you say "Yes, I know she's married. Yes, he knows about our relationship too." Once the investigator verifies everything, there's no problem.
@Tarotiste 2 жыл бұрын
Truth. When a service mbr is evaluated for security clearance his/her records are screened. Personnel screens their service record, and their medical records are also screened. One of the things we were told to look for was repeated treatment for sexually transmitted diseases- which indicates poor judgment, & data that could be used against them as leverage.
@carlosanthony4972 2 жыл бұрын
As a person in the military you're wrong your security clearance will be fine. As long as it's not an affair with an employee of a foreign government and you haven't broken any laws it won't affect clearance at all but it will affect your career especially if you have some kind of public facing position
@nalk20 2 жыл бұрын
There is an old, Greek, I think, myth about a soldier who was married to a beautiful woman. His superior officer wanted that woman, so he posted the soldier where he was sure to be killed. After that the superior married cette woman. Even just coveting someones wife or girlfriend/boyfriend, and not even committing outright adultery, in the military can be very dangerous.
@ethanhegel8576 Жыл бұрын
Military: Cheating on your spouse makes the military look bad. *Dishonorably discharged* Lawyer: Moralistic pricks.
@jssamp4442 Жыл бұрын
A woman reporting when she is raped by a man in her command also makes the military look bad. Strangely enough, a man raping a woman in his command doesn't look as bad as reporting it. I loved the military, it was one of the highlights of my early life, and I will always be proud of my service. But I can't pretend that everything is sunshine and cool breezes. There is some bad along with the good. But they are trying to change, at least they say they are and I hope they really mean it.
@skyhawk_4526 Жыл бұрын
@@jssamp4442 Sounds like you had a bad experience (and a bad command staff) and I'm sorry that happened, but it's not like there aren't laws against rape in the military. I would be willing to bet a lot more rape allegations are prosecuted by the military than adultery allegations.
@jssamp4442 Жыл бұрын
@@skyhawk_4526 It didn't happen to me personally, My EOS date is so far back in my wake that there were no females serving in combat roles or aboard ship. But I sympathize with anyone who has to suffer through such a despicable crime. I can't fit it into my brain how an officer can speak words like honor and respect and then turn around and cover up a violent crime that has been done to a sailor, soldier, or marine under their command. I don't want to hear they were protecting the honor of the institution. If that is how it must be protected, it has no honor left to defend.
@skyhawk_4526 Жыл бұрын
@@jssamp4442 I agree with you.
@SirSpinalColumn Жыл бұрын
He said prigs, not pricks. “a self-righteously moralistic person who behaves as if they are superior to others.”
@loua8656 8 ай бұрын
Does this man have a channel??? He's awesome! We need more of this guy
@damienburke4996 Жыл бұрын
Sustained: As a retired Navy Senior Chief, I can concur that every time I watch the scene with all the Sailors running around on the flight deck I loose my collective shit. Those Sailors have absolutely NO IDEA what happened while that plane was out, other than it fired some missiles.
@WackoMcGoose 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, one of the coolest things about the Stargate franchise is, the military stuff not only feels real, but also _realistically serves the plot._ Heck, several episodes actually revolved around the _consequences for military misconduct_ (like O'Neill's temporary dismissal from the service for "stealing" shit from an offworld ally)...
@Sogard22 2 жыл бұрын
Legal Eagle review of Stargate SG-1, please!
@1mezion 2 жыл бұрын
I loved that TV show Atlantis and even discovery ( edit sorry I meant Stargate universe ) which was canceled too soon it had a lot of potential. stealing stuff on an individual level is frowned upon, when it's sanctioned by the state, it's fine.
@assimilation9 2 жыл бұрын
Most of what I know of military ranks and protocol comes from stargate Star Trek and MASH
@AJStarhiker 2 жыл бұрын
Stargate: SG-1 had an Air Force liaison to advise them. And a major reason I chose the Air Force when I enlisted.
@HappyBeezerStudios 2 жыл бұрын
They had not one but two Chiefs of Staff of the Air Force displaying themselves in the series. And on a somewhat humours note. They did film scenes in the actual Cheyenne Mountain Complex. Which is now operated by the Air Force Space Command. And in Stargate they show a in-universe TV show (Wormhole X-treme) that displays a slightly silly version of the "real" thing. Allowing it to continue as plausible deniability in case of a security breach. With all that together the chance is greater than zero that there is some actual thing in some sort of ironic multilevel meta setup.
@yaff1851 Жыл бұрын
The PhD in Astrophysics isn’t unrealistic. She could, for example, have started her career in some space related topic and acquired her first aeronautic skills as a spin off. I have a PhD in materials physics and ended up in automotive software development ten years after my graduation.
@jssamp4442 Жыл бұрын
Engineering in general is broadly transferable. Mechanical, Civil, Industrial engineers; Electrical, Nuclear, Aeronautical/Aerospace engineers often take jobs in areas of engineering other than the specialty they got their degrees in. When you graduate with an engineering degree and get your first job, you don't really know what to do. I was in a panic, felt like I was totally unprepared until the experienced electrical engineer I was assigned as team leader gave his on boarding talk. That was when I learned those years in school were only meant to teach the basic toolbox of engineering, the rest would be learned on the job as specific details filled in the blanks .
@carygroneveldt7065 Жыл бұрын
*A doctorate in materials physics, eh ...?* *When are we gonna see carbon nanotubes on a WalMart shelf ...??*
@yaff1851 Жыл бұрын
@@carygroneveldt7065 If I’m not mistaken, Gekko Tape would be one product that contains Nanotubes and is available at Walmart.
@fgrau7376 Жыл бұрын
I’m an Airline Pilot with a Ba. in Criminal Justice. It’s amazing the paths our life takes us !!!!!
@carygroneveldt7065 Жыл бұрын
@@yaff1851 *Awesomesauce!!* *Thanks for the heads-up!* 🙂👍🏻
@nowthatsjustducky Жыл бұрын
Went to Basic (Lackland AFB) 1986-10-10. If I remember right, I actually had my TS-SCI and was cleared to work the AutoDIN center at Tinker AFB before 1987 was over and done with. Granted, an 18/19 year old kid fresh from high school was likely one of the easier background investigations done.
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