Not just native Americans all Americans

Boo, hoo, hoo.

and yet the white mtn apache live in their tradition homeland 16000 strong...prettiest country in Az.

Same kinda guy that refuses to except the fact the Native American tribes colonized, brutally murdered, enslaved and made war on other native tribes….

Native American tribes broke just as many treaties as the Americans did, so go try your crying lies out on people who don't know any better.

And yet they understood the concept well enough to put it to use when it was to their benefit, and to punish trespassers.

Yes, weaponry was critical, but so were the Apache Scouts.

he captured and tortured Mexicans first...lit them on fire...and kept the whites for later...after they hung his brother and nephew he killed the whites... His best friend was Tom Jeffords a white man...until the day he died...and he did tell his sons to honor the treaty he made with General Howard...but Taza died in Washington DC and Naiche fell under Geronimo's spell...

@@curtismes Apaches and Comanches were the scorges of northern Mexico for generations before the Americans encountered them. Absolutely brutal and cruel. Interesting how the narrator just skips over the Apache "killing and brutalize[ing]" of two soldiers at Apache Pass, but hangs on the fact that Mangas Colorado recieved the same treatment. Torture is a way of life for most indian tribes, a way to prove one's manliness or contempt for the enemy. Still barbaric either way you look at it.

@@zsedcftglkjh I agree....the war between apache and Mexicans was much more brutal and longer than anyone delves into...interesting how the US came in and ended the apache wars in 25 short yrs...

No, I don't blame him. In war, you "fight fire with fire"!

I lived w/ a Chirachua Apache @ Dragoon Springs in Cochise County,AZ for 2 years and certainly came to realize that the Apaches were not murdering demons as often portrayed...the were force to retaliate from the abuse of the U.S.Government

The same goes for true Southerners,mess one around and you'll rue the day you did!

@@carywest9256 are southerns tougher than anyone else.

They received in my opinion, one of the highest honors the US military can bestow on a vanquished foe, they have one of the most feared weapons on the field named in their honor and their guerilla tactics are practiced by our most elite solders. I wish there was more of their spirit in all Americans, that desire to live free or die should be held in a much higher regard than it is.

Well most natives don’t take no bs . I’m Mexican and American ie Washington State by way of Tennessee

T'Ohno Oodham and Akimel O'odham were the blood enemies of the Apache...hence the Camp Grant Massacre and the Salt River massacre...

I don't really want get any stories or information on this phone about Cove it Community

This channel has great stuff

And they fought with the ute

Yes the "Navajo" that cursed Skin walker ranch

it was Juh and Geronimo together...whom also ambushed and killed Juan Mata Ortiz...roasted him alive for wiping out Victorios band at Tres Castillos...

LOL there's pictures of him everywhere. He wasn't even 6 ft

That's right! The Comanche pushed the Apache across the Pecos River, and kept them there.

Umm you say Apache and sound like you mean Cochice's, Mangas Coloradas, Chief Alchesay, Nana, Geronimo, Victorio, Juh, lozen's people (they are all leaders of the centeal and western apaches).... however it is known that the Comanche forced the EASTERN Apache Bands out of their homelands which they were partially plains people but still Apache with a culture a little different than central and western apache bands. Those Eastern Apache Bands are Lipan, Mescalero Jicarilla. The central and western Apache bands which this series is about are actually the Bands of Apaches that forced the Comanche back east and it became known that if Apaches are caught on the plains by comanches they were dead. If the Comanche are caught in the Mountains by Apaches they were dead... it was the eastern Bands that were forced out and nearly killed off by comanches. One other thing people seem to never understand about Apaches is their Bands were completely separate never coming together only in Mangas's time through Mangas. In fact the Bands and family groups disliked eachother so much they fought and killed eachother. This serious divide stopped them from joining together and stopping the white eyes. The divide was so bad that some western apaches even joined the U.S. army and became scouts... just those little bands on their own fought back Spain, Mexico, Comanches, and the U.s. not just male warriors as well but Apache Warriors usually had their wives with them who also fought just like their husband's and considered just as fearsome and deadly. This is why Apaches were so feared, because their ability to resist and their unmatched Guerilla warfare... This is why there are Apache helicopters, why men parachuting in WW2 yelled geronimo, and why the US inspired by the apaches utilizes Guerilla warfare tactics with their soldiers. The Apaches were a divided people but just their small numbers cost so much money and lives to Spain, mexico and the United States for over 40 years with U.S. and nearly 300 Years with Spain and later mexico. They shaped the southwest far more than the Comanche Nation. Some historians have noted that if Apaches were on the East Coast the United States would look much different today, Apaches are compared by Historians to the 300 Spartans, and called the Tigers of the Human Race.

@@user-vl2mr8mr5u ...and your point is???

One Apache spoke Spanish, Geronimo hated Mexicans.

@@garretphegley8796 …he hated the white Mexicans NOT the mestizo (Indian and white blood) Mexicans!!! Nonetheless the Apache still spoke Spanish

@@garretphegley8796 … he pretty much hated Europeans, English speaking and Spanish speaking Europeans

@@enriquet2562 No he hated all Mexicans like alot, because they butchered his family. He was always pretty friendly with European American (even when he was at war with the US) and later in life would become a Protestant, he meet the fucking President of the US, do you honestly think they would've let him if he irrationally hated White Americans?

One thing I noticed was Geronimo was actually a medicine man but most think of him as a chief

They’d have their own country/state

@@ayoo3775 they have their own nation...several...the White Mtn Apache rez...the San Carlos Rez...the Mescalaro Rez...the Jicarrilla Rez....as do most of the indiginous tribes in Az...the Navajo, Hopi, Akimel, Hualipai, walapai, yavapai, Pima...etc etc etc.

@@curtismes They actually almost don't have any of their land. They went from the area of a western state and have dropped to the size of a few cities. The Chiricaua Apaches intermixed tribes and worked together but they now have life on a Rez. They have been sent from one place to another for generations and then confined to "Hell's 40 Acres" and other places people commonly call a Rez. All the people of Apacharia, which is just west of Comancharia, ultimately are related after so many generations. Then, the closest bands were sent to completely different locations after the attempt to exterminate them... When you say "they have their lands; white mountain, San Carlos, Jicarria, Mescalero..." I don't know what to think. And just to mess around, I am a Soñoran Apache from a family that has never been on a Rez, Grandma had early memories that made her hate Mexicans and Apaches, which is what happened. So now I get to be a a mix of Tchihende, Bedonkoh ane pop Chihene and all the other stuff that eventually came to Arizona. If you have things to teach and listen so do I.

@@gabrielpadilla4533 the white mountain Apache have their ancestral land ...I just came back from it...the white mountain reservation is huge, on the most beautiful land in the state...16,000 strong nobody tried to exterminate them...

@@gabrielpadilla4533 if you are talking about the Chiricahua...which were confined because of Geronimos and Naiches actions...that included murdering innocent people from Globe to Hermosillo...if they had wanted to exterminate them...they would have done so in Florida...

Musket Rifles

was first made in smoothbore and then later a with a rifled barrel to allow for use of the newly developed ...

Winchester 1873 lever action are the first two, Trapdoor Springfield carbine, then a Trapdoor Springfield rifle. All rifled weapons. The Trapdoor is single shot. Photograph isn't very clear and I'm no Winchester expert. They could be later Winchesters.

U pretty much described ever armed conflict between Europeans and Native Americans, especially when it comes to the nomadic horse tribes of the plains and the southwest. Think about it though. You and your people make your entire living off of hunting & gathering/raiding and a little trading. You never plant any crops and you follow herds of game animals, therefore you construct no permanent infrastructure or settlements. Why would you fight a pitched battle over a fort or something? Even if you win the battle you d have to leave the fort after a short time anyway. Nomadic horse tribes create the toughest warriors belonging to the fiercest societies. All the way back to the mongolians, the guns, ancient indo europeans. Unfortunately bthese tribes can only support small populations due to the constant warring, rugged lifestyle, and reproductive problems resulting from a life on horse back that effect men and women. These societies also require lots of undeveloped land for their horses to graze. In short: Clans of nomadic horseman ain't nothin to f**k with!

They were not cold and calculated enough. They would rather die than systematically create empires at the cost of their way of life. Building empires and increasing wealth at ANY cost is the European way.

Sheer numbers my friend.