Lesia Dubenko - An Irreverent Look at the Useful Idiot Amplifying Narratives Friendly to the Kremlin

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Lesia Dubenko is a political scientist and an Alumna of Lund University, with an Msc in European Affairs. She has eight years of experience in political and social journalism and has been published in the Financial Times, Politico Europe, New Eastern Europe, Atlantic Council, KP. In August 2018 she entered the Ukrainian NGO sector, and has been cooperating with different Ukrainian NGOs, including “Europe without Barriers”, “Internews Ukraine”, “European Pravda” and more.
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@ahartify Ай бұрын

Ukraine was effectively 'neutral' when they voluntarily surrendered their nuclear weapons and other conventional weaponry in 1994, and look what happened.

@jeffhicks8428 Ай бұрын

a US coup in 2014 is what happened.

@mduckernz Ай бұрын

@@jeffhicks8428 No it wasn’t. They definitely had a preference as to how it would go, but they gave effectively zero concrete/physical support. There was no way the US could somehow conjure into existence the determination of many thousands of Ukrainians to assemble in their capital and demand change. Even when abused by police - at the instruction of the then-President, who was a Russian puppet - they didn’t give up.

@InnocentiusLacrimosa Ай бұрын

@@jeffhicks8428hello jeff-IVAN, are you so ashamed and disgusted of your russian heritage that you pretend to be "jeff from the West"?

@toby9999 Ай бұрын

@ozymandias5130 Not really. Too much is being made of what was really nothing much. There was no formalised structure in the way NATO was formalised, for instance. That said, Ukraine is being supported. Yes, more would be better, but you whine about no support, etc.... and don't forget, ruzzia broke it first.

@toby9999 Ай бұрын

@@jeffhicks8428What coup?

@ahartify Ай бұрын

Samuel Charap blocked me on Twitter, so I know I must have said something right. I felt quite honoured, I have to say.

@18_rabbit 17 күн бұрын

would love to know what u tweeted to him?

@ahartify 17 күн бұрын

@@18_rabbit I was questioning him on his claims as a celebrated 'peacemaker' at UN and NSC conventions, when others there said he wasn't and was often hardly in attendance. He said he was also a frequent attendee at Putin's Valdai think-tanks. He has been in contact with Jake Sullivan, of all people, although I can't imagine what he has been telling Jake.

@mikekolyshkin3931 Ай бұрын

These useful idiots are not idiots. They are businessmen: telling lies for money is an opulent business for people with adaptive conscience. Lesia's speech is so rational and insightful! We need more of her, Jonathan!

@nerdyali4154 Ай бұрын

I disagree. I think they are mostly adherents to Cold war era ideas of US national interest. They know the truth but place what they perceive as US interest over the moral dimension.

@dronedelia23 9 күн бұрын

Agreed

@JAllenKaiser Ай бұрын

Oh, wow. Just looked up the Valdai Club. John Mearsheimer admits in the forward to his 2023 book "How States Think" that he receives “financial support” from Valdai. The club also gave him the 2019 Best Book Award for "The Great Delusion.” So revealing.

@SiliconCurtain Ай бұрын

It is very pertinent to what we hear him saying now!

@CONTACTLIGHTTOMMY Ай бұрын

Mearsheimer is a Useful Idiot. Nothing more, nothing less.

@skippy9659 Ай бұрын

Oh interesting information here.

@JAllenKaiser Ай бұрын

@@SiliconCurtain huge thank you to you and Lesia for bringing this to light for many of us. It’s shocking to me how openly blatant and deep this collusion is between the Putin Regime and western-facing foreign policy / international relations academics to spread pro-Kremlin propaganda in the democratic West, yet in the past 2+ years of closely following the topic, I’ve never even heard of Valdai until this video. The Kremlin propaganda machine has gotten vastly more sophisticated and pernicious than it was under Soviet communism, when most of America was acutely aware of its risks. Now it’s like huge segments of our institutions turn to shills on the Kremlin payroll to form our opinions and policy frameworks regarding the same regime lining their pockets. It’s madness …and this aspect of it isn’t even clandestine!

@richardfinlayson1524 Ай бұрын

Yeah that's quite interesting , possibly not surprising though.

@CynthiaBlair Ай бұрын

As someone who had no preconceived idea of Russia (except the sneaky / murder / KGB part) or Ukraine, in 2022- I'd say you can't use the Western cultural bias here. You have to look at the ACTIONS of Russia, and logically the Russian propaganda makes NO SENSE, it doesn't correspond with their actions. In 2022 I felt I needed to learn about Ukraine and the historical background. I found Professor Tim Snyder's Yale course online (free) which I would recommend. I do love Fiona Hill and many others, their many lectures and interviews are fascinating but you can't help realize that Putin and the Russian Regime is built on lies, distortion and some weird sense of victimhood. Historically they have broken every agreement with Ukraine. Every one.

@wendyandrew3707 Ай бұрын

Watching BBC old documentary, some Russians seemed to go straight from communism into criminality and these criminals be ame the rich elite after ransacking their country. In the UK, we have built up respect for honesty that we all take for granted, then assume everyone else is the same. We are the odd ones out really. Lying is par for the course for many different cultures.

@dianetourje1359 Ай бұрын

I'm writing to my senator about this troll! I've been waiting for someone to tell me his name because I've known about his influence over Sullivan for some time

@skippy9659 Ай бұрын

I think that’s a great idea. There’s a FP yt video up w him and Fiona Hill. She doesn’t like what he’s saying. She knows!

@markbrzezinski8889 Ай бұрын

Totally agree with every word Lesia has expressed.

@thomaslytje8656 Ай бұрын

That woman seems a lot more intelligent and knowledgeable than anyone I have heard on KZfaq for a while! Good choice to have her on the channel!

@lesiadubenko2773 Ай бұрын

I agree with you wholeheartedly

@ozymandias5130 Ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@DARDA360 Ай бұрын

@@lesiadubenko2773 God bless you!

@dwarftomatoproject Ай бұрын

The whole movement towards appeasement seems more like enablement to me, permission to commit crimes without consequences!

@djparn007 Ай бұрын

Thank you, Jonathan. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦

@kabardinka1 Ай бұрын

Thank you for calling out Charap.

@janneyovertheocean9558 Ай бұрын

It’s a great pleasure to discover your program and also the articulate and intelligent guest Ms. Lesia Dubenko.

@uribensh Ай бұрын

Glory to Ukraine ! Thanks you both !!

@ahartify Ай бұрын

Charap and Mearsheimer are the 'it's all very well in practice, but what about the theory?' kind of academics. They want to bend reality and the facts to conform to a particular theory.

@davidwright5094 Ай бұрын

What's bizarre is to attach the label "realism" to the wishful thinking that: reality _surely ought_ to conform to my mental abstraction.

@nerdyali4154 Ай бұрын

@@davidwright5094 It's not really wishful thinking and it is realistic if you value strategic benefit over morality. He would have had the US collaborating to neutralise China, which would have satisfied Putin's ego and soothed his hurt feefees, but I don't think that is an option anymore.

@18_rabbit 17 күн бұрын

@@nerdyali4154 preposterous that the US would ever have worked with Ru to neutrlise china. Ru has always wanted and needed China, even if not healthy or good for Ru in the long run, like it won't be!

@Whangareitaiji3138 Ай бұрын

Well, I read a couple of Charap's articles. I see he completely ignores previous historical breaches of agreements. And doesn't suggest anything about the importance of national sovereignty. In other words he thinks Ukraine needs to surrender. And the international community should pretend that the rule of law still exists.

@johncromwell2529 Ай бұрын

Thanks for the great interviews Jonathon!🙏🇺🇦👏👍

@moinyp Ай бұрын

@18:50 I absolutely agree. It’s not about their true understanding of the situation. It’s instead all about career and income. Well said! 👍

@lachlanbell8390 19 күн бұрын

Projection, as far as the eye can see.

@mikekolyshkin3931 Ай бұрын

I like the term 'vatnalyst' she coined. Thank you, Jonathan, for this conversation with brilliant Lesia. ❤🇺🇦

@Donovanwashere Ай бұрын

🇺🇦🙏🇬🇪💪🇺🇸

@michaelrowsell1160 Ай бұрын

Anyone who supports Russia ,and has access to all the international current affairs and media ,cannot be considered a moral person .

@lachlanbell8390 19 күн бұрын

You mean to say _"all the _*_institutional_*_ current affairs & media"_ - because that *_is_* what you're talking about, isn't it? Consuming information from sources that all promulgate the version of reality that purveyed by western governments & institutions. You have to ignore all contradictory information in order to believe the fantasyland being spun by Western elites.

@18_rabbit 17 күн бұрын

indeed and is stuck in the past when might always made right, even if sadistically savage in character. These indifferent amoral ppl are not ok in the head or spirit, obviously.

@SL-sd3sg Ай бұрын

💙💛🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🇬🇧

@harmoniacaotica Ай бұрын

For those that don't know, and because I find it very, very interesting that he is still in the member list... António Guterres, Secretary General for the UN is a member of club valdai! There's also a couple of usual commentators in portuguese TV that are members of the club.

@mitchellgreene867 Ай бұрын

Great job, keep pushing the narrative. Lesia is a beautiful lady, and soul. Slava Ukraine!🇺🇦 ❤

@migproductions4045 Ай бұрын

Simply SUBURB Jonathan! 😆xxx What amazes me is the combination of a man so well read and articulate he can compliment the knowledge of the person he interviews but with the humility to NEVER interrupt his guest! Astonishing talent, intellect and technique! What a fine man you are and how enriched by you we are! In a word inspirational..I can add nothing to this save to say I listen with rapped attention to every last word of this GOLD! 😀xxx

@evansiegel1732 Ай бұрын

I don't know if Jon is suburban or not. He is, however, superb.

@agustinussiahaan6669 Ай бұрын

Thank you, Jonathan. I didn't read that Samuel's. But it's not surprising. Tons of alikes around. Slava Ukraine. Support from Indonesia.

@PandemoniumMeltDown Ай бұрын

Thank you indeed to you both, what a lovely interview this was!

@menuxpressions9128 Ай бұрын

Always amazed at how Ukrainians speak with such eloquence and articulation in English even though it’s their second or third language.

@max_skim-pontoon-cough Ай бұрын

Incredible that the aborigines can speak our language ❤❤😂

@mduckernz Ай бұрын

@@max_skim-pontoon-coughI really don’t think that’s what’s being said here. You’re being overly cynical here - and I am normally inclined to cynicism. The thing that is being emphasised here is the sophistication, not “merely” the capability. I agree with them - the sophistication can often exceed that of native speakers

@donotmislead Ай бұрын

Q: Ukrainians speak with such eloquence... A: Ukrainians are bilingual, speaking Ukrainian and Muscovite by default. Western Ukrainians also speak Hungarian and Polish, and all Ukrainians understand all Slověnic languages, including Old Church Slověnic, so they can read books and listen news in about twenty of them, making English twenty first.

@donotmislead Ай бұрын

Q: Incredible that the aborigines can speak our language... A: English is not your language, in fact you are the aborigines subjugated by Germanic invaders and French dynasts who forced you to speak it as a pidgin.

@tamarasidlartchouk3138 Ай бұрын

@@donotmislead 👍👏👏

@ulfsoderberg2581 Ай бұрын

She is an excellent analyst

@DarkestAlice 25 күн бұрын

Thank you, Jonathan and Lesia Dubenko, for calling those fake "experts" out. 🇺🇦 Перемоги і миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦

@ruthwolfer4154 Ай бұрын

It's really ridiculous & dangerous too to invite such slippery figurs to white house !

@georgine321 Ай бұрын

A grey psychopath !! Love it.

@carolwilliams8511 Ай бұрын

There are now many names for the kremlin goblin. 😊

@TotalRookie_LV Ай бұрын

@@carolwilliams8511 And none of them flattering. 😆 Even Putin's supposed nicknames back in KGB era were Окурок ( a cigarette butt, leftover part, what Brits call a fag) and Моль (a clothes moth).

@18_rabbit 17 күн бұрын

precisely, a psychopath is Charap. So disturbing, such a carryover of the entire conservative 20th century, Kissinger-esque horrors.

@terryhand Ай бұрын

Good to see Lesia back on Silicon Curtain.

@chuckkottke Ай бұрын

Thank you Lesia and Johnathan, you have enlightened me to a great extent. So this may explain why Jake Sullivan and hence President Biden have been so hesitant in sending aid even when they had lend-lease. Their tune is changing, thank God, but the delays have been so costly, and behind it all may have been Samuel Charap and his vatnik apparatchik.

@mikekolyshkin3931 Ай бұрын

"It's a personal opinion disguised as science" - Lesia ruthlessly nailed academia. ❤

@tamarasidlartchouk3138 Ай бұрын

Vatnalist-👏👏👏

@lesiadubenko2773 Ай бұрын

AhHhha I’ll write a short substack post on this later

@jeffhicks8428 Ай бұрын

@@lesiadubenko2773 Lose some weight and take some English courses first. Also I'd pay $1000 USD to have you take an IQ test and would bet $10,000 the score will not exceed 85.

@oscarmora4602 Ай бұрын

Wow!!!

@marcvangastel2157 Ай бұрын

Never heard of Charap until now, will keep it so.

@Martin-mc6hr Ай бұрын

Thank you Jonathon and Lesia. 🇺🇦🇦🇺

@jeremygreenwood1021 Ай бұрын

The whole thing beats me. I saw John Simpson last night, who has great gravitas, highlighting Russian advances in the front and suggesting Ukraine should negotiate while it is ahead.

@stephenhill545 Ай бұрын

Russia doesnt keep to the agreements. 18,000 Ukranian troops died during the Minsk "ceasefire".

@TeeganDuckworth-ko6vs Ай бұрын

Great conversation on a serious topic…❤❤❤ thank you both so very much!

@SuperbStevieG Ай бұрын

Throughly enjoyed this interview. And i love Lesia’s colloquial English.

@surelyyoujokemeinfailure7531 Ай бұрын

Awesome interview. Hearing the useful idiots described so clearly brought to mind one I hadn't thought of in awhile, the not-so-good-fiction author and cranky blogger James Howard Kunstler, whose blog is Clusterf*ck Nation. At some point in the past (not sure when) he fell in line with what Putin would like to have said here in America. Sad.

@sherrillwhately7586 Ай бұрын

Historian Stephen Kotkin was giving Sam Charab high praise just a few days ago on Foreign Affairs channel. That’s weird because Stephen Kotkin is the one who convinced me that the idea of NATO expansion was not a tenable argument 2 years ago during a Lex Fridman interview, where he emphasized the voluntary nature of the organization. I did notice Stephen Kotkin’s views had shifted in a weird direction that I didn’t like after that. Maybe he got influenced by Sam Charab 🤔? Kotkin was praising escalation management and how the administration wanted a negotiated peace and the ceding of Crimea after the Kherson offensive in the Winter of 2022, while Ben Hodges was advocating for far more assistance to push ahead to take Crimea at that point in time and even earlier.

@briansomogie Ай бұрын

Benji Hodges only knows one complex adjective. That adjective is: "untenable". When you listen to him in any of the myriad videos he has appeared in he can only repeat the ONLY word he learned from serving 20 years in the Army. Someone referred to him as a "clown" 🤡, and when his only point is to make Crimea - say it with me "untenable", it doesn't take very long to predict what he is going to say... Try it. Watch Benji Hodges and count the number of times he repeats the same thing in every video. Why the U.K. media offers air time to this "clown" as he was referred to by someone else is a complete mystery.... By the way I support Ukraine. Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦🇺🇲🇨🇦🇳🇿🇦🇺🇬🇧🇮🇹🇧🇪🇩🇪🇪🇪🇯🇵🇳🇱🇫🇮🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇵🇱🇱🇹🇲🇩 and all of the other unlisted allies in this struggle against tyranny and terrorism.

@DARDA360 Ай бұрын

Kotkin is an eloquent hack. Great delivery, no substance. We learned more from our parents and grandparents about Stalin than his 3 volumes of Stalin's bio can deliver. He will take your money with a smile.

@sergiystoyan899 Ай бұрын

Kotkin is in deep irrational love with ruzzia. If you built all your carrier on the stuff, it is almost impossible to speak against it. Yes, Stalin was a bandit but still what a genius he was! Yes, ruzzia does wrong, but still what a brilliant culture! Yes, they have been stealing from other nations but still they are struggling to materialize their great destiny (which nobody knows what it is including ruzzians)! That's Kotkin. My guess is that when writing his Stalin bio he inevitably has gotten specific relations in ruzzia.

@alexivery2261 18 күн бұрын

Lex Friedman had arranged an interview with Putin just before the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022. The interview did not happen. But Friedman took a "neutral" position and did not condemn Russian aggression justifying it by the fact that he has many close friends on both sides of the "conflict." I believe that every notable person working with Russia related topics sooner or later is advanced by the KGB recruitment network.

@sherrillwhately7586 18 күн бұрын

@@alexivery2261 I was listening to the Sanders Alt-Left out of curiosity at the time. The footage coming out of Mariupol jolted me awake and out of that mindset altogether.

@noelgrace99 Ай бұрын

Always like your interviews

@Andres_1970 Ай бұрын

Congrats to both, again. Calling a Spade a Spade, as President Zelensky often says, should be the new normal, not an outcast´s or similar attitude.

@shaiaheyes2c41 Ай бұрын

There's many Walter Duranty's in this world.

@hubertussuppenstiefel5590 Ай бұрын

Great interview!

@brittadueandersen2519 Ай бұрын

I recently heard Stephen Kotkin talk about how now was the time to talk about peace ( just what Putin loves). It is up to Ukraine to determine the timing and content of this conversation. Those of us who want the best for Ukraine must not do Putin's bidding and undermine Ukraine's position.

@jberkeley1195 Ай бұрын

Thanks for this interview Jonathan 👍 your guest just confirmed that putin is bat sh*t crazy 😳 slava ukraini 🔱💪🇺🇦🇬🇧🇺🇸✌️

@BasilBadger Ай бұрын

Thank you for yet a great interview.

@Whatshisname346 Ай бұрын

The main issue is that the field of post-Soviet and Eastern European studies is ripe for Russian interference. From personal experience, I’ve seen that it’s a field full of Soviet nostalgia, Russian imperial apologia and whataboutism. A friend of mine once submitted a theses to their supervisor (an ‘expert’ in post-Soviet studies) in the early 2000s which posited the idea that Russian interference in its near abroad particularly the Caucasus region was a continuation of Russian imperialism. It was a well argued idea which went against the accepted narrative that this person believed in who had spent many a year in various paid conferences in Russia, so of course it was rejected until it was ‘corrected’ to show that the activities US NGOs were somehow comparable to taking over parts of other countries. Needless to say this turned my colleague against further academic study in the field. 6 months after its completion Russia invaded Georgia. So when we look at ‘academics’ like this, it’s important to remember that an entire well-funded ecosystem exists around this field of study.

@riversandrds Ай бұрын

Too often the apologists and the purveyors of weak kneed justice are ready to cleanse the crime and sully the victim.

@krastsjanis Ай бұрын

Nice to hear this interview.

@louisnaidu9140 Ай бұрын

Thanks for another interesting interview

@1964corvair1 Ай бұрын

I agrre with Lesia's academia comments. Great discussion!

@TheKronprinsen Ай бұрын

Thank you for a really good intervju.

@aniainlondon 16 күн бұрын

Reminds me of when marjorie traitor green recently said something that was so obviously not in her vocabulary. I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s a paid vatnik. Not a vatnalyst because analysis is too complex for her. Also reminds me of Operator Starsky’s anti propaganda effort. He warns that ruzzia’s propaganda is extremely sophisticated and has deeply infiltrated all areas of the West. This was such an interesting interview which further underlines this. Very eye opening.

@BertBruins-ri9dv Ай бұрын

A very useful and necessary discussion. I compare people like Carlson and others with the useful idiots and worse from the 1930s.

@terryhand Ай бұрын

Or certain sections of of the British left at the time who were praising Stalin and extolling the vitues of the Soviet Union.

@markuswenner9598 19 күн бұрын

Danke!

@FatFrankie42 17 күн бұрын

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@skippy9659 Ай бұрын

Foreign Policy is a very right wing media source. Rand is a far right organization too. I trust Fiona Hill. She was our diplomat in Ukraine for many many years, and she knows what she’s actually talking about.

@mvjh2277 Ай бұрын

Anne Applebaum is good,too.

@alacazaba Ай бұрын

Foreign Policy is not right, far from it. In fact it has only ever endorsed one candidate for president, and that was Hilary Clinton. It's establishment, for sure, but if anything, it's maybe establishment center left. And you need to understand that Russian propaganda is not a right or left issue, it affects both political factions. It's a reason why it's pernicious, and symptomatic of its effectiveness. It is part of a strategy to use propaganda to help exact 'reflexive control'

@louisgiokas2206 Ай бұрын

It was Foreign Affairs magazine. That is a different publication. I know of Foreign Policy magazine but have not really followed it. I have read Foreign Affairs magazine for a long time and don't perceive it as right wing.

@nerdyali4154 Ай бұрын

The Rand corporation has been warning about Russian disinfo for a while.

@18_rabbit 17 күн бұрын

@@mvjh2277 yes! epically brilliant she is, as is Fiona Hill, such incredibly deep knowledge and then analytical capacity. I'm in awe and long ago i got to study in D.C. at GU with brilliant professors and various pro's from all over the world.

@Ultra-Violet Ай бұрын

What a huggable guest 💜

@johnhigson6206 Ай бұрын

And that is most of the story. Be sure to examine what may lurk behind the Silicon Curtain

@Ultra-Violet Ай бұрын

@@johnhigson6206 one of the best channels around 👍🏻

@msvergara Ай бұрын

best5 interviews about Ukraine

@LanaGrey-db9qp Ай бұрын

Slava Ukraini 💙💛

@garywalls5181 Ай бұрын

I would say perhaps they are listening to him to try to understand the extreme other side.Some value can be gleaned from understanding your enemy.

@dss2mtm Ай бұрын

Lesia should take up complaints of 'mumbo jumbo' and 'the standard of education' with the University of Oxford. Their PhDs and MPhils are a terrible standard of education.

@pault.3524 Ай бұрын

It took me a while. This Samuel is this the guy from the Rand Cooperation? Samuel Absher?

@SiliconCurtain Ай бұрын

Not sure if he’s also called Absher, I know him as Charap

@skippy9659 Ай бұрын

Charap

@lesiadubenko2773 Ай бұрын

Samuel schmuck

@pault.3524 Ай бұрын

@@SiliconCurtain Ok. It's Charap

@valdud9745 Ай бұрын

Good. Thanks

@chuckkottke Ай бұрын

Henry Kissinger was completely obsolete from the very start of his career! He majored in major blunders but sounded the part of "the expert" so a lot of powerful people believed him. If Samuel Charap is following in his footsteps, he's walking backwards. 👣

@Calligraphybooster Ай бұрын

We must avoid calling useful idiots idiots for too long. Some may wear this label for some time as an excuse for their sorry state of mind, but others willfully spout lies, and don’t give a damn about consequences. They must be fought and held accountable, not pampered.

@nerdyali4154 Ай бұрын

There's a youtube channel called Useful Idiots who push Russian BS. I think there is some crossover between them and the Grayzone sc*mbags.

@stevebeer3324 26 күн бұрын

Just using the Kremlin terminology for them. I suppose you could call them Traitorous- weasels- with- the- morals- of- a -rattlesnake-who- -lie-- for- money -as-latter-day-Lord-Hawhaws ,,but it's not as catchy.

@JYRIVIRMA 25 күн бұрын

Great info, but please mr. Silicon Curtain ask yr guests to find prooer mics, instead of using only the laptop's own mice.

@hereiam1963 Ай бұрын

Charap & Radchenko article was published in Foreign Affairs, not Foreign Policy

@keithdunwoody1302 Ай бұрын

It's all academic at this point. 😂 Certain types look at Ukraine as if no one lives there, is just real estate. Have the see so-called academics no idea about the historical context and Ukraine's centuries long struggles for freedom from RuZZia imperialism? Heard of holodomor?

@CynthiaBlair Ай бұрын

So how do we counter this kind of "educated foreign analyst/vatnik" if they have the ear of the White House? We've seen a great deal of Kremlinspeak on the floor of Congress, and it has held up the $60bil aid bill dramatically, unfortunately. More Ukrainians died because of opinions expressed by Charap, etc, if indeed his articles or meetings helped cause the aid bill to stall. Any ideas on what we, as regular citizens, can do? Great interview, Jonathan and Lesia, thank you!

@nerdyali4154 Ай бұрын

I doubt he influences the MAGA crowd. the likes of Vance are longstanding Ukraine-haters. The damage people like him have done is the persistent policy of "escalation management" followed by the Biden admin.

@samplumbe3288 Ай бұрын

Glad I never heard of samuel

@markmccabek9 18 күн бұрын

I love this channel and the deeply knowledgeable sources that you have on here. I completely support a pro Ukraine, pro-western, anti-murderous Putin "bias". Based on numerous other sources I believe the things this woman is saying are based on reality, but I have to say that I feel intellectually dirty listening to her. I feel like I'm listening to some poorly educated, highly socially biased teenager gossip about the other kids in school. In the future I will help myself to feel better by skipping any podcasts with her... and of be much happier if there are none to skip. 😞

@WalterBurton Ай бұрын

👍👍👍

@anniecarola Ай бұрын

👌

@user-fz7zt6cw6f Ай бұрын

Germany negotiated with Russia on 1939. Look at the results of that fiasco! Germany invaded Poland from the east and Russia from the west in 1939 then all hell let loose. Europe and Britain paid the price as well. Americans didn't want involvement in fighting but ended up with another problem. They ended up joining in. This time the fighting should be clear and precise with great awareness of what could come down the line if Russia isn't stopped.

@tomaszcodasz Ай бұрын

One of them (Michał Rachoń) you have interviewed

@barryoverson4988 Ай бұрын

i click the like button when i watch videos for free and subscribe if i regularly watch and throw in a comment thanks for your work"

@thor9563 Ай бұрын

While on a tour of East Berlin as part of a diplomatic team in 1973 I believe I caught a whiff of Putin. He is known to sh*t his pants occasionally!

@ReadEldred Ай бұрын

Lesia 4 President

@TotalRookie_LV Ай бұрын

16:39 - since Lesia loves such portmanteaus, allow me to present another one for Putin - "лузерпатор" = лузер + узурпатор, which in English would be something like "losurper" = loser + usurper.

@neilclay5835 Ай бұрын

Ugh Charap 🤮

@atfreema Ай бұрын

Who does one meet at Valdai, only other academics? Is that credible? Has anyone ever asked Charap, or others, if they've ever been approached by an FSB or GRU agent at Valdai?

@peterhumphrys Ай бұрын

okay Stephen Cohen and John Mearsheimer, two academics from major US universities, Princeton and Chicago respectively, got plenty of coverage for their views that ring pretty much pro-Kremlin in terms of not upsetting the status quo of great powers and their spheres of influence which woulld not be worth the risks of nuclear war.

@SiliconCurtain Ай бұрын

All previously members of the Valdai Club.

@zetristan4525 Ай бұрын

I think you've misunderstood them and mistaken analysis for motive. Jonathan would never invite Mearsheimer on, to debunk him, because the only thing that succeeds is ad hominem by association. The tragedy is getting so many Ukrainians killed and more of their land lost🇺🇦 (Mearsheimer argued in the early '90s that Ukraine should keep its nuclear weapons to ensure its protection from future Russian governments.)

@symbionese2348 Ай бұрын

@@zetristan4525 You have come the closest of anyone to explaining Mearsheimer to me. Having listened to him on KZfaq recordings several times, he seemed to be a soft-headed academic speaking out his fantasies. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and think of him as a tunnel-vision professor making an analysis of the situation as he sees it. I still think he is irrelevant to reality, but at least now I have some idea why.

@zetristan4525 Ай бұрын

@@symbionese2348 There's a big propaganda war from both sides, Pravda vs Pravda, so each treats the other's insights with no respect, as if insane. You should view Mearsheimer's arguments critically, but he is anything but soft-headed, and looks from all sides' perspectives. Potentially symbionizing?🤗 He may also help you see what broke my heart, that the US MIC has never worked for Ukrainian victory: you can see by all the delays in supply that the manipulation game is far more cynical than this. Sacrificing Ukrainian lives💔, our fellow human beings. You can use USMC Capt Matthew Hoh's online article _A War Long Wanted_ as a truthful bridge.

@symbionese2348 Ай бұрын

@@zetristan4525 Thank you for your response. My understanding is that the military-industrial complex (I assume that is what you mean by MIC) has stood ready to provide ample war materiel to Ukraine since before the invasion in 2022, but the industrial part of it is in business, not charity. The impediment to U.S. military assistance to Ukraine was the Speaker of the House, who refused to let the appropriations bill come forward which would pay for replacement materiel and allow the old inventory to be shipped to Ukraine. I will look for Capt. Hoh's article to learn another perspective.

@johng.roberts408 Ай бұрын

Open dialogue is important. However, this has reinforced my doubts about Jake Sullivan - a russian wolf in sheep's clothing?

@Virgilvega-kw9nm Ай бұрын

I want Ukraine to win. I agree with what Lesia has said about that “Ukraine Expert” Samuel Charp” He spent his whole careeer being “an Apologist for the USSR and now FSB ruled Russia. What is the Moldive club. And If he went to Kiev before 1991, doesn’t that mean he is pro --> Russian Communist Party and now the cu😊rent rulers of Russia? Spacebo

@arthurcphelps Ай бұрын

Thanks!

@Whatshisname346 Ай бұрын

I’m very surprised Meduza gave the authors a platform last week on their podcast to push this type of Russian imperialist apologia. Just goes to show that Russian ‘opposition’ media still has a long way to go.

@srve1149 Ай бұрын

What did he write? this Samuel guy.

@richardfinlayson1524 Ай бұрын

Thanks for enlightening us, this was very interesting and useful info. Good on you guys,thanks again

@terryhand Ай бұрын

Two days ago the BBC actually gave airtime to Solovyov, speaking in English presumably to a journalist, with only the most perfunctory explanation of who Solovyov is. Bearing in mind that only a tiny minority of people in the UK have ever watched the grotesque spectacle of Russian TV and know what he represents, why would the BBC do that? Is it just poor journalism?

@slimski Ай бұрын

Where was that?

@terryhand Ай бұрын

@@slimski It was on Radio 4 news. I can't give you the actual time and date. Admittedly it was a short statement, but I would still question why.

@nerdyali4154 Ай бұрын

@@terryhand Same reason they did the "we'll never really know the truth" thing after the dam explosion. Must be "fair and balanced, you know".

@VM-hl8ms Ай бұрын

surfing on the benefit of the doubt, that's what it is.

@vvaldez0221 Ай бұрын

I do not understand, what is there to negotiate? Ukraine is a free country; they are free to join wherever alliance they want to. Do Ukraine attack or invade Russia? You are in the right path but remember, Russia invaded Ukraine, occupier Crimea and Donbas without provocation and in violation of international laws. What expects next?

@petehowett2854 Ай бұрын

Are You a fan of history,Sir. Do You know the exact location of Ukraine,when discussing the security of both Russia and,Ukraine. Do You know the I importance of Ukraine geographically,militarily and economically to Russia? In 1962 the sovereign state of Cuba,asked the Soviet Union to install missiles within her natural borders. This,prompted the US to object,citing that the missiles were perceived as a threat to its' internal security.All missiles were dismantled and removed. Do Cuba and the US,share common borders? Do Russia and Ukraine,share common borders? It is true to say that its' the Inaniable right to do as it pleases within her natural borders. It is however equally true to say,that such an act,could be perceived as AGGRESSION. In conclusion,Do You agree with the US appraisal of its' internal security,threat Should the answer be therefore,YES,then WHY WASN'T THE SAME UNDERSTANDING EXTENDED TO RUSSIA? Should the answer be NO, THEN WHY WASN'T THE USSR,PERMITTED TO COMPLETE,ITS' MISSION?

@terryhand Ай бұрын

@@petehowett2854 What happenned in 1962 at the height of the Cold War is not comparable to Ukraine in 2014. But even if it was, your argument makes no sense. Following your logic it would be permissable for Russia to invade any neighbouring country whose alliances did not suit the Kremlin's agenda. Who would be next: the Baltic States, Finland... Whataboutism is basically a non argument. I don't care what the the US did 60 years ago.

@AIAudiobooks411 Ай бұрын

@@petehowett2854 apples and oranges. Cuba is an island, and hosting nuclear weopons was never on the table for ukraine, especially after they gave them away in 1994!

@slimski Ай бұрын

Hi Jonathan. I think if you’re going to discuss an article and ‘dissect’ it as you said it would be a good idea to read through it and point out how it’s wrong or misleading, and to do so with someone who’s actually read it and not someone who refuses to even do so I mean I don’t even disagree with the opinions here, but this article for instance was mentioned positively by Stephen Kotkin in a recent video, and if anyone knows his shit it’s Kotkin

@mikeparaska2984 Ай бұрын

Let's start referring to the Kremlin apologists who think negotiations with Putin are currently possible as the "give Sauron back his ring" brigade.

@petehowett2854 Ай бұрын

I'd say that FIRST, You educate YOURSELF as to the current affairs.Second,Istanbul April 2022,an agreement was reached and initialed,waiting for ratification from respective leaders.Mr.Davyd Arakhamia,the lead Ukranian negotiator,has admitted as much.NOW,there will be no negotiations.There will however be A USS MISSOURI, incident.

@timmommens901 Ай бұрын

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@chrisrosenkreuz23 Ай бұрын

It saddens me that so many people try to engage with Kremlin tools like their intention were ever logical discourse. Addressing illogical arguments only feeds the trolls, this was made clear from day one. Stop engaging. Put them to respect.