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One thing comics have lost, in general, is the ability to show the characters as regular people first. X-Men used to have picnics and baseball games on the school grounds. The Thing used to host a floating poker game. You especially can't jump into Dark Phoenix without the progression from the timid Jean Grey, to the confident X-Man, to the overpowered Phoenix, to Jean's corruption, and then finally Dark Phoenix. It's pretty much what DC did in jumping to Justice League

X-Men: Evolution doesn't get nearly enough credit for all the great characterization. Not every episode is a major comic event. There are joyride episodes, mystery ones. etc.

Michael Fassbender and James Mcavoy are awesome in every X-Men movie so far, I will watch it just for them.

Everyone in Scott Pilgrim is getting a superhero movie. Michael Cera is next lol

SJU has been awesome lately. Lots of interesting conversations and topics. Thanks, guys!

Love the sky high comment. It's a great movie

John Hughes filmography honest trailer coming up?

I kinda wish they would end this X-Men franchise. Mathew Vaughn did a wonderful job with first class but they couldn't keep it going. Let it die, and let marvel revive it.

Without watching the video, I say it’s ballsy for the trailer to contain the line “nobody cares”

I just love it when they go off topic

Every video this week starts with “Let’s Talk About” 😂 I love you guys. Keep up the great show

lmao I almost spit my drink on my keyboard when Danielle suggested "Guess Who."

A slowed down version of “If You Wanna Be My Lover” by the Spice Girls would be awful, and a small terrible part of me kind of wants to hear it.

Dan's "what?" at the very end is honestly mood

Thank you guys for making us laugh in these troubling times. 😊

Third time in a row that the title was "Let's talk about that ____ trailer"

I miss this line up for SJU. So glad they are back in studio now at least!

I want to see all of Dan's cap collection, in its entirety, a full tour, breakdown, a walk-in wardrobe would be cool, but I'm expecting just stacks of those things.

Long pause before the show starts that means a crazy conversation is happening

If I ever star in a super-hero movie I want the trailer to be accompanied by a dark rendition of mmmbop by Hanson. Also I want to be punched like Iron Man gets punched in the Infinity War trailer with a slide whistle sound effect added at 0.25x speed.

"Go eat some butts." I don't know whether to laugh or scream, lol.

Joe made my day, Lost Boys is one of my favourite films

I am excited to see Dark Phoenix!

Trailer week is making them loopy. :)

Dan, Can I buy your X-Men hat?

Paddington is still available on Netflix USA.

I know I’m mentioning the movie that should not be mentioned... but the slowed down Crazy in Love mix from Fifty Shades is pretty good

Stealth is awesome @joe you’re gunna love it!

Afraid it might be a Kurtzman Mummy situation. Long time writer, first time director. Skeptical about Kinberg.

Amazing end Roth!

I blame the cover of Creep from the Social Network trailer for starting the slowed down versions of pop songs in trailers. That's the only time it really worked (I don't count Hurt from the Logan trailer because it wasn't created specifically for the trailer)

As much as I want to love this I kinda agree. You need to show the phoenix being a super powerful being saving the world, being manipulated to destroy the world. That's the story. But let's not forget how amazing Days of Future Past is. That could've easily failed like this could but it was great!

Scorcese put Eyes Wide Shut number 2 on his top ten list of the decade. It's a terrific movie and, like most Kubrick films, you have to watch it several times to grasp the genius of the director.

God bless you, Roth, as she has blessed us with the gift of you.

X men needs a live action tv show to develop relationships and context

Life is beautiful was the first foreign film I ever saw and it is still one of my favorites.

No one mentioned Trading Places? It's got Eddie Murphy is a great 80's comedy (What more do you want?). A movie that can be watched at any time, regardless of mood

Wait, doesn't the entire premise of this movie retcon the ending to Day's of Future Past? This movie clearly takes place before the Original Movies Time period but when wolverine returns to the original time from the first class time Cyclops is alive, and Jean is normal and the phoenix thing never happened.

No one remember Jean didn't die on the Moon. The Phoenix did, because Jean was on the bottom of the bay where the shuttle crashed.

Oh shit! Billy coming in hot with those proppps

While I thought the Dark Phoenix trailer looked surprisingly good, I still think it’s a mistake to adapt that story to their younger years. I think it should have been the final movie with the older cast (obviously in the post DOFP timeline.) In that movie Beast said that the time current always corrects itself or whatever, so I think it would be appropriate for Jean to face the Phoenix again but this time it’s different, since it happened in the original timeline. However while X-Men 3 ended with Wolverine tragically having to kill her, this one would end with Jean overcoming the Phoenix, and maybe someone else dies instead. Instead we have whatever this is.

I’ll always have a soft spot for Age of Ultron’s slow Pinnochio remix

“there have been none on screen yet” there’s been like 3 canaries on arrow

And out of the recommendations, only 3 are available in my region. With one of those being Stealth, while another is FMJ which I own on blu-ray :(

Eyes Wide Shut is one of Kubrick’s best films, no slander will be allowed!

best line ever, dan. well played, man. well played. :-D

What Dan said about sixteen candles and all, I feel that about a bunch of movies I saw as a kid, and now I watch them again and realise how messed up some of them are.

my fav thing about the trailer is the .5 milliseconds with nightcrawler's beautiful face where i can pretend the films and comics still care about who he is as a person beyond using his powers for convenience

It's really weird for me, that noone ever brings up, that Eyes Wide Shut is based on a book. And it's a great book too. So most things that don't work are caused by the transfers made from Vienna in the 20s to New York in the 90s.

I think Pretty in Pink is a great examination of toxic masculinity. If Duckie had listened to the father, his arc would be resolved much quicker. And the love interest has to choose between happiness and what his friends (who represent the pressures of male society) want. Plus, I'm 100% convinced that this movie inspired the "hipster" aesthetic.

Question: Wouldn't making a Dark Phoenix trilogy solve the time gap problems? Perhaps the first two movies might have pacing problems if taken by themselves but as forming a larger narrative, it would make the pay off that much more satisfying? That's really the charm of Star Wars, while everyone can debate the merits of the movies individually, the narrative that it is serving is undeniably captivating.

(15:13) Related to slowed down songs, Until The Ribbons Breaks' cover of "One Way Or Another" is a pretty good one--the key/BMP change really highlighting how creepy the song can be when you're actually paying attention to the lyrics. lol

"Guess Who" is a really good movie to me.

i have mixed feelings on skipping certain plot points. on the one hand, dark phoenix feels unearned because we didnt get to see how this jean grey's relationship has developed with her friends so when she turns on them we dont really care. on the other hand, theres things like showing bruce wayne's parents get killed or uncle ben getting killed for the millionth time. the main argument against the latter is that "we've seen it a bunch so we can skip it". however, in this case i've also seen x-men enough as a very casual fan to know that if jean turns on scott or charles then its still a huge deal. its very hard for me to decide when it works and when it doesnt to skip around like this.

Watch Young Justice, is literally was my main source of DC comic characters before I got into comics. That is really my Black Canary, who was totally cool

Although I adore X-Men and did enjoy the first few movies I feel movies are not going to be a saving grace for these characters anymore. Once they join the MCU they'll be Disney-fied and family friendly. The best idea, which is obvious the more you think about it, is that Disney via ABC do an adult X-Men TV show. Not Gifted, not Legion, X-Men! The Walking Dead is going to end and leave a big ABC void, Game of Thrones is going to leave a giant adult drama/fantasy in our lives. We could have a show that gives time to the characters, a good slow burn, builds them up, like the 90's animated show. We could give Magneto a rest and have Sinister, Cassandra Nova, Hellfire club over each seasons, coming back years later. Imagine the budget, not some CW Flash budget, but Disney money, like the new Star Wars series they've commissioned. We could watch Teenagers struggling with their powers slowly become the heroes we've come to love and admire. Watch Jean go from a shy girl to a powerful woman, with subtle hints of that power of the years, then BAM she's super powerful Phoenix, then BAM she's evil and we can't believe it (even though we knew it was coming) then shes' the villain of a season. We need Years not hours. Sorry I went on another Ramble, it just frustrates me lol

It’s cool that Cyclops seems important.

Fight!... Technical difficulties Printout... BILLY Wins! Prepared-ality...

I remember as if it was yesterday seeing Lost Boys as a little kid on cable in the living room with my step brother who was way older than me. It's strange connections you make with a movie.

Eyes Wide Shut struck me as Kubrick riffing on David Lynch.

I am looking for the episode where Dan mentions that he likes "The Great British baking Show" and someone else, probably Dan himself, states that it is indeed good and that it is therapeutic. Is it this one, someone who just saw it please reply.

I loved the Powers tv show on Playstation!!!! It was way different than other superhero shows and that's why I liked it.

My sister, cousin, and I walked out of Adventureland, so it must be a movie that appeals to a specific taste. I'm fairly easy to please with film, but I also don't like a lot of genre's, so that might have something to do with it.

The most dmage this Dark Phoenix movie got from is the higher upps from Disney/Fox cos of the damn character rights! The original plan was to make it a 2 part movie so Jean become the phoenix in the first one and then the Dark Phoenix trial in the second one with the Shi'ar and stuff. But then the big Disney buy happened and all went to the shitter... Btw the fight in the suburbs was in the comic aswell!

Can’t wait till the mcu gets X-men

amazing how much time they spent complaining about specific scenes not present in a movie that no one has seen yet and probably is still being edited. wish i were clairvoyant!

hope is not again the power of stares, you called it before

I sense a show title theme this week ...

I actually like the trailers on Netflix. A couple times they've gotten me to watch flicks I would've passed on

(I think) unpopular opinion: I don't like any of these new X-men movies from First Class on. I was excited for First Class because they seemed to promise to reset the timeline and take a mulligan after that Last Stand shit show. But then they made it directly connect to the first 3 movies and then rushed through some super interesting story arcs and we've come full circle and are literally right where we started with Phoenix again.

The Dark Phoenix movie is... probably doomed. I don't like being pessimistic after just one trailer, but the problem here is: They've already jumped Jean's arc in Apocalypse. It's either the first or second time we see her in the film where she's literally shaking the mansion, having a nightmare about something dark inside her - and telling Charles Xavier that he doesn't know what it's like to be trapped in your own head. A. Xavier is someone who knows exactly what that's like, and B. he's just literally been inside your head helping calm you down. It's worth mentioning that that's our introduction to this version of Jean Grey. So, all this stuff with her childhood/teenage years, that's all back-fill. She didn't appear in the first two films of this new chronology, so that's where we're starting: She's ALREADY having the nightmares. And then, by the end of the film, she goes Phoenix to take out Apocalypse. I'd say spoiler alert, but Apocalypse isn't a good movie, so I just saved you a few hours of wasted time. So, the plot is going to center around a character in whom we have... no investment. We know what her powers are, they showed those off, but we haven't gotten into her personality at all; and she's been in like... two, maybe three scenes with Scott/Cyclops, so... They're just assuming we already know about that, too. It's exactly like y'all said in the vid: they'll point at the thing, and talk about it, and assume we already knew... rather than ... I don't know... letting us meet Jean sometime BEFORE she's already got this rising darkness? I'm not even all that bothered about it looking to share SO many story beats with X-Men 3... because that movie was sort of a dumpster fire where some very good ideas went to die.

Comic book storylines tend to be better adapted for TV, since there's more time to establish characters and relationships, as well as adapting the storylines to be as long or as short as they need to be.

I don't mind the not aging thing... they haven't aged in the comics much since the 60s ;) also... relax guys. it's the first trailer... your reactions are exactly what they want. this movie is gonna f'ing rock. or not. either way, we will all see it.

Nope That is all i have in response to that trailer.

Why so much x-men hate? x1, x2, first class and days of future past was realy good.. Did these people accully see any x-men movies?

Whenever you do a trailer analysis, I think of your beautiful disaster of the Deadpool 2 Bob Ross teaser.

im with you joe, i love me some winstead

Joe brought up Sky High! That's awesome! :) Also, I'm happy with the casting, though I think I'd want them in the opposite roles. But either way, it works. Are we getting Oracle, or any version of Barbara?

Space pants!

Anyone seen the daredevil season 3, trailer ? I think it looks like it's going to be a really interesting season

I also sign off on sky-high being an amazing superhero movie

We're not even going to get a tie-in comic for Dark Phoenix like the MCU movies get (which usually end up being a comic adaptation of the highlights reel of the previous movie for the characters).

I agree with your takes on Dark P. They are gonna skip a lot, and get the fans to fill the gaps

i think its mystic in the grave, thats why hank is so upset and seems to beholding her body

It is pretty hilarious that none of those characters (other than mystique) have aged a day and it has been about 30 years. I guess Fox is hoping that no one will remember when X-men first class took place lol

Sadly, the quicksilver moment is one of the highlghts of this latest x-men movies. But i have a HOT TAKE: Is the movie going to be interrupted, plot wise, for 15 min, as in X-Men Apocalypse? YES!! Last time was to force a Wolverine scene but in this case a narrative deviation to find what happened to Havok. He survived but was brainwashed and is working with Mr. Sinister. An interesting and fantastic villain, killed immediately by Psylocke as a way to subvert our expectations. She had Apocalypse's blood on her sword and the plan was to resuscitate him But the growing pod with him as a child is destroyed by Cyclops, creating a paradox with Cable but it doesn't matter (Deadpool 2 didn't tackle Cable's convoluted backstory and Disney will snap everything soon) Finally, Jean Grey restores Havok and erases Psylocke's memory, both go away and the movie returns to the Dark Phoenix narrative

Apocalypse did irreparable damage to this franchise. Fox needs to put this one to bed once and for all.

I don't think you've watch the CW shows in a while Black Canary has been back she's black siren now but she's closer to her comic book origin so she comes from Earth to come on you guys are the experts

Roth is #1!!

X-Men would be served better as a series versus movies.

X-Men is so rich and skipping things and not taking time to tell the stories is so very DCEU. We want the stories!

It’s funny for me how only after one average movie everybody just trashes everything about Fox X-men. It’s a groundbreaking franchise that gave us so much.

Can you really properly do a Phoenix storyline without the rest of the Marvel Universe? Its such a major thing in space and with all the superheroes that you need a little more than just one movie and just the X-Men for this?

Imagine if xmen:apocalypse was xmen:the phoenix, then this new film is about phoenix from previous movies going dark only to realise its apocalypse ls doing

20 seconds to wait for a video to start is too long!!! nah just playin :P

I said when the film franchise was going to do the Dark Phoenix Saga; “have they earned the emotional weight to pull off that story?” And I have to say, absolutely not! Making Wolverine the central character in the first trilogy and focusing on Charles’ and Erik’s relationship after First Class, do we really care that this iteration of Jean Grey becomes Dark Phoenix?

"eyes wide shut doesn't really work".....you're entitled to your opinions but I was really surprised to hear you guys say that, also where were you Dan?

Thank you D-Rad for breaking down WHY Jean is so beloved and WHY the Phoenix is important. I'm a huge X-men fan but this trailer was a recasting of X3 and I hate X3. The Phoenix isn't a 'split personality' disorder. Stop hating the source material. I'm not interested and I'm not seeing this film in theaters. Please Marvel, when you get this franchise, don't be embarrassed by the source material.

These films are comic book 'lite' movies. They always have been since. They're fun and a little dumb. They give me what I want.