Let's Talk About the Obi-Wan Kenobi Show | Star Wars Group Video Essay Analysis

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Darth'd

Darth'd

Жыл бұрын

The Disney+ Obi-Wan Kenobi series just wrapped up season 1, so we gathered the crew together to share our thoughts. We explored character development, writing, plot structure, and so much more.
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@DarthdYT
@DarthdYT Жыл бұрын
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@yakubu05
@yakubu05 Жыл бұрын
My jaw is on the floor right now, I cannot believe you guys liked the show. Especially after discovering you from the "plot points that ruined star wars..." video. I'm even more curious what you thought of Andor now, which for me is hands down the best Star Wars product for a while now.
@DarthdYT
@DarthdYT Жыл бұрын
There were parts that I really disliked, parts that were really stupid, and parts that were fantastic. I think I get lumped into the "saltierthancrait" crowd a lot but I'm fairly open to enjoying the current content without being overly critical. Boba, Mando, Kenobi...all more entertaining than not, otherwise I wouldn't be a "current era" fan and would just stick to pre-Disney stuff.
@yakubu05
@yakubu05 Жыл бұрын
@@DarthdYT I guess for the ppl in my group there were too many parts that were really stupid and not enough parts that we liked to keep us engrossed in the show. So far from Disney I've liked TFA (though too similar to ANH), Mando s1&2 and Andor. I think we are capable of liking Disney products but there seems to be an epidemic of poor writing the last 10 years, not just Disney
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi Жыл бұрын
I have been quite the topic of conversation recently.
@DarthdYT
@DarthdYT Жыл бұрын
Worth.
@yurikendal4868
@yurikendal4868 Жыл бұрын
Your writers sure did
@invincible4u
@invincible4u Жыл бұрын
A surprise to be sure but a welcome one.
@yakubu05
@yakubu05 Жыл бұрын
58:30 "Because it's a story and these aren't real people" "The reason why they don't die from that stab is because the plot does not demand that they die from that stab" "A writer made an active choice to keep them alive" Have I been transported to an alternate universe where plot armour is not frowned upon. So Reva could have had her head chopped off but because the plot needs her to not die she's just back next episode 🤦🏿‍♂️
@DarthdYT
@DarthdYT Жыл бұрын
I think you may be misinterpreting explanation for condoning the decision. Frequently we're exploring why we think the writers made certain decisions but that doesn't mean we think they made the correct ones. Yeah, it was really stupid for her to live after Vader stabbed her, as he would have known if it was or wasn't a killing blow.
@johndigirolamo5858
@johndigirolamo5858 Жыл бұрын
1:08:44 Hollywood should just open source their editing process for the public to do it out of passion
@kalzium8857
@kalzium8857 Жыл бұрын
The kenobi show has the problem that kenobi on tatooin as a hermit is not an interesting setting. And its supposed to be uninteresting. I know that there is a eu novel to fill the time. If i were disney, i would make a leia show. Leia has an interesting life before a new hope and disney could get creative.
@DarthdYT
@DarthdYT Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised at all if they did make one. It may depend on how well "Andor" does.
@PrattlingPate_
@PrattlingPate_ Жыл бұрын
No more Leia most boring character ever
@yurikendal4868
@yurikendal4868 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind seeing leia. This wasnt it. This was a gross power fantasy
@yurikendal4868
@yurikendal4868 Жыл бұрын
"Disney could get creative" Laughable!! Entirely to charitable in that estimation
@jasonmardoniomeza1711
@jasonmardoniomeza1711 Жыл бұрын
Nice video! Did you ever see that Patterson cut of the Obi-Wan series? If so what did you think? I thought it was alot better than the actual series.
@user-xx6vy9ri8p
@user-xx6vy9ri8p Жыл бұрын
Screw this series. Vader orders the entire ship to turn around for Obi-Wan, letting the rebels go, (instead of using a magnetic beam, or sending tie-fighters, or just keep firing...)... but ends up getting into his shuttle and flying after it himself , thus missing out on the rebels for no reason at all. Obi-Wan trusts Leia to some random rogue who has already seeded his transmitter... The duel with Vader is miserable. They wave their swords like baseball bats in episode 9, and the Force has generally turned into an anime - they crush rocks and make craters in the ground, but they can’t break each other’s bones in the same way ... they can withstand the blows of multi-ton boulders ... Obi-Wan, without jokes, becomes a god thanks to the power of friendship and lifts weight much more than Yoda ... at some point he hits Vader with the HILT of the sword ... cuts his back, but that doesn’t paralyse him ... and most importantly, he doesn’t finish him off for the second time, although he himself said his friend is dead... Vader does not call the cruiser to shoot down Obi-Wan's ship, but it turns out that he has a hyperdrive, which makes the whole last episode even more pointless, since he and Leia could fly to Alderaan on it all this time already at the end of episode 4 .. . Owen and Beru do not set any traps for Reva in the doors, they only shoot her one at the time, do not catch up with her on a speeder, do not evacuate on the speeder, do not call the local police, the same Jabba the Hutt (with the promise of money), and Luke is advised to run on foot into the desert, to the Tuskens... Apparently Vader just left Reva a ship…Reva with a hole in her HEART can easily fight, run and carry weights ... And finally, she, who cuts off the hands of all those who disagree, throws knives at people, kills everyone in her path, hunts the Jedi trying to kill them, tortures a 10-year-old child , suddenly cannot kill Luke, because he sees himself in him (but not in Leah) ... by the way, why? Does she know he's Vader's son? How? And Obi-Wan forgives her, although he saw what she was doing and Tala died because of her... Now the whole Empire knows that Bail Organa communicates with Obi-Wan, they are looking for him all over the galaxy, but at the same time Obi-Wan quietly flies to Alderaan to chat with Leia... Obi-Wan communicates with Luke, although Owen told him in A New Hope that he died at the same time as his father ... Qui-gon, it turns out, can appear without any meditation, but the whole series did not do this ... As a result - Obi-Wan, Owen, Beru, Bale failed their missions to protect children, and they are only alive because the Empire and Vader are even more incompetent, and Reva suddenly became kind ... and now we are waiting for a series about her ... Thank you Disney, now you've ruined every single character in the original trilogy. Star Wars is long dead, and there's no more room for nails in the coffin. As I expected, Reva's motives make no sense. She saw that Vader killed her friends, therefore...she is angry at Obi-Wan who trained him for not saving her? (Why didn't he just say "I was on Utapau, attacked by clones"?) And therefore she serves Vader, hunts all remaining Jedi, tries to kill them, chops hands off and tortures a child to find the Rebels? She is a horrible person and I cheered when she was stabbed...but then she lived.
@MBoeltje41
@MBoeltje41 Жыл бұрын
i would argue that even with 200 Jedi to a few dozen being around during the final days of the empire makes sense it also would still make sense why Luke it heir only hope. the reason for this is because he is Vader's son.. one of the surviving Jedi would have been powerful enough to confront Vader and live. hell even Ahsoka couldn't and she was probably in the top 5 most powerful remaining Jedi things get even worse when you realize that if those few dozen managed to kill Vader some how and greatly reduced their numbers in the process. the emperor was even more powerful than Vader. no one could take him on without Vader's help. i think Ahsoka and Vader could have taken the emperor out. but the reason Luke was the only hope was because Luke was Vader's son and just as if not slightly less powerful than Vader. he was the only one able to turn Vader against the emperor. that is why he would still remain the only hope even if there were a few hundred Jedi running around. just to prove my point in episode 3 Sidious effortlessly took out 3 Jedi councilmembers in a single attack.. where talking about the most powerful Jedi in the entire order here. he struggled with windu but only because he was toying with the Jedi. and because he needed Anakin to see and believe he was needed by palpateen. in that time Sidious became even more powerful so what would a dozen comparably insignificantly and weakly trained Jedi going to do against him.
@chriscollins2095
@chriscollins2095 11 ай бұрын
I started out liking the series--when I had only seen the first two episodes. But as it went on, I saw too many flaws with the story, and then I could no longer forgive the flaws of the first two episodes. And I finally concluded that the whole series should not have happened. I don't care if Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor are together again. If the story isn't that good, it just isn't that good. When Bail asked Obi Wan to go rescue Leia, Obi Wan should have said, "With all due respect, Senator, there's too much Inquisitor activity on Tatooine for me to leave right now. My duty is to Luke." And that should have been it. Ahsoka would have been in charge of Bail's spy network, some people pointed out. Was she unavailable? If there was no one else he could trust besides Obiwan--or specialists under his command--Bail's Resistance is in sorry shape. And he doesn't know any other exiled Jedi?
@DarthdYT
@DarthdYT 10 ай бұрын
all good points, especially the Ahsoka one.
@vanlllasky
@vanlllasky Жыл бұрын
i wonder why you don't bring up Maul's death in Rebels to Obi-Wan. that makes it very hard to have him meet Obi-Wan considering their dialogue before their final duel.
@DarthdYT
@DarthdYT Жыл бұрын
1. I'm pretty sure I remember Lucasfilm saying that live action trumps animation as far as official canon is concerned, so they could rewrite Maul's story in the live action. 2. I'm only in like...season 2 of Rebels, and while I've seen the death scene, I tend to forget he's in that show 👀
@primordial6966
@primordial6966 Жыл бұрын
This has to be the worst star wars show to date. From the first episode on it keeps dropping, breaking lore, characters and logic as it goes. The story can only happen because everyone involved has lost their brain - Obi Wan should nver help Bail - a guy who basically owns the ressources of an entire planet. Bail is in charge for Leia, Obi Wan for Luke - its not hard to understand. The story could have been an interesting chracter study, following Obi Wan regaining his strength and faith, but we had to go on an 'epic adventure' and of course... meet vader. Choreos, scene composition, CGI and camerawork are mid to atrocious - what a waste of Chung-hoon. The characters are thin and act nonsensical - Reva tries to get revenge for her killed friends by... becoming a psychopathical killer? Thats complex right? Obi Wan is sad and depressed - good so how does he - oh he just... gets over it... because he wants to. Leia? Idc, she can be the greatest detective the world has seen in one scene and have an iq below room temperature in the next - thats not character writing - thats a plotdevice, a talking walking macguffin. Vader is edgy. No really he is exactly the character a 13 year old would imagine - look he strangles and kills random people in the street - and he is a total idiot... chasing Obi Wan with his ship but then going to face his old master alone... and don't tell me he wants to "beat him fair". Vader has no consistant motivation, he exists and does whatever fan fic stuff the writers need him to do. Good that your brought back Hayden for such a meaningful role. The only rebel character I remember is Wade... may he rest in peace. I ramble too much, but this show is just frustrating when looking at it as a writer... or a person with slightest brain functions and knowledge of the world. The force has recieved Dragonball level of Powerups - people throwing boulders - Vader pulling back a ship - all of this would create so much trouble for following stories. The only reason people believe they enjoyed this was because there was some good acting and because of nostalgia... and thats sad. Its sad that people keep giving these writers a pass - tell them its ok to throw some words on a page one afternoon and call it a day. Because thats how it feels - there is no substance to anything, no deep interesting interactions, conversations, no schemes nothing. Its all empty... and it will stay this way, because peopple enjoy 'hello there' and Vader igniting his lightsaber - why even try to tell stories? I will not proof read this, apologies - I wrote this in one go.
@alexbeltran9525
@alexbeltran9525 Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU bro I'm so tired of fans just eating this garbage and saying, "Thank You"
@DarthdYT
@DarthdYT Жыл бұрын
I don't necessarily disagree with any of what you wrote. Heck, when we all did our 7hr analysis of Solo we all said we liked the film yet we still bashed it when deserved. Just because a piece of media isn't S-Tier doesn't mean we can't discuss it, and enjoy the good things it gave us.
@mina319
@mina319 Жыл бұрын
@@DarthdYT We’re not asking for S tier all the time, A or even B tier would be nice and most of Kenobi and a lot of Disney Star Wars can barely manage to get to that level and Disney feels no need to do anything else because people just accept the brainless slop
@DarthdYT
@DarthdYT Жыл бұрын
@@mina319 I'd think Kenobi would rank a "B", but regardless your final words are very accurate. No matter what the franchise, most viewers will accept almost anything as long as it's entertaining at face value. It's hard to feel like you're in the minority, but from what I can tell, far more people liked this series than hated it. In fact from what I recall, it broke streaming records, getting more views than Loki, WandaVision, Hawkeye, Manalorian, etc, etc, etc. I don't mean that as some kind of defense of its quality, it's a pretty good metric to show how many people did in fact enjoy the show, regardless of its shortcomings.
@dcmihatepie
@dcmihatepie Жыл бұрын
Our follow up podcast on this recording will validate most... if not all of your thoughts here. My take on Obi-Wan ends up being a lot more positive than Darth and Rye because I'm not invested in Star Wars in the same mode - I engage with it as a normal viewer and then as an academic. An observation we end up making in the subsequent recording (which isn't out because I haven't had a chance to transmit my footage to Darth) is that this story could be more coherent as a film due to the difference in convention in a 2 hour film vs this TV show. Anyway, I don't disagree, but it's also important to keep in mind Disney has no interest in making good art. Hence why we make this kind of content, it's important to engage with text like this seriously because if we don't everything will just slip through to the keeper and the 4 companies that own all the intellectual property rights will continue to make low effort stories that are nostalgia driven. That being said, gotta love that Kenobi hair ;)
@shadowlaughers101
@shadowlaughers101 Жыл бұрын
"everyone in the show is a white male" Moses Ingram Indira Varma Sung Kang Kumail Nanjiani OShea Jackson Jimmy Smits Simone Kessell Maya Erskine All men and Women of color. Its absurd that you say that about the show and completely ignore the amount of diversity in it.
@DarthdYT
@DarthdYT Жыл бұрын
Yeah I almost brought that up but didn't want to derail us. He may have been sarcastic, it can be hard to tell sometimes. But we're doing another recording this weekend specifically focused on diversity so I'll bring that list you made to the discussion.
@DarthdYT
@DarthdYT Жыл бұрын
We talked about it a bit in our recording that just ended. He meant that comment to be sarcastic, as the show obviously went to great lengths to have a diverse cast. We'll try to make more of an effort to be clear as we both can have really dry humor that's hard to pick up on.
@dcmihatepie
@dcmihatepie Жыл бұрын
I was, indeed, kidding. The bit there being that so much of modern media crit is very single issue "well it didn't do X" absent the context of the full text
@user-xx6vy9ri8p
@user-xx6vy9ri8p Жыл бұрын
In fact, the only white men we see in the show were casted by George Lucas 20 years ago instead of Disney.
@ScreamoboysAlesana66
@ScreamoboysAlesana66 Жыл бұрын
I regret spending every min of watching this show. I really want to like it since obi wan is sure one of my favorite characters but It adds nothing good to the lore for me. It would be better without. Like most of the disney star wars content. The cinematography is bad, the story is bad, the dialog is bad, and even the score is mediocre. I would give it a 2/10 or something like that.
@legiongrattan7349
@legiongrattan7349 Жыл бұрын
Is that vaush?
@DarthdYT
@DarthdYT Жыл бұрын
lol, had to look him up, but no. I did look similar though when I had long hair/beard like that.
@anarcatz
@anarcatz Жыл бұрын
@@DarthdYTthank god your personality is almost polar opposite
@mikegray-wt2gu
@mikegray-wt2gu 9 ай бұрын
Hi😎..just watched your vid.on the plot holes in the last 3.starwar movies...to say iam surprised that u like this show is mind blowing😲i like u have many issue's but the biggest 1 is that ob.1 goes an leaves luke to follow leia around🤢..the force is female i guess.
@DarthdYT
@DarthdYT 9 ай бұрын
There's a good bit about the show I disliked, and at the same time there were many parts I did genuinely enjoy. I think a lot of people these days are too primed to dislike something that isn't "flawless"; and that's especially true for the SW franchise post-sequel era.
@mikegray-wt2gu
@mikegray-wt2gu 9 ай бұрын
Ok..your taking the glass is half full🤗my glass is empty😎but do keep up the good work...this is the only way i can digest star wars...thxs👍🏼
@owieczkacs
@owieczkacs Жыл бұрын
I regret watching this tv show, it was complete waste of time. There are teleporting people around because plot needs them to be there, we have sith who in episode 1 don't use mind reading abilities to find out who is the JEDI even tho in episode 2 they READ MINDS... 5-10 year old girl running faster than adults, people falling over dust particles in air, jumping off roof that would 100% lead to your death and you still do it... you are literally 15 meters away from transport ship to take you off the planet and you know you are being chased by everyone in this town...[insert dumb idea] you decide to stop walking... yes walking because you were not running for your life... so you stop to talk between each other letting inquisitor show up from nowhere in less than it took you to get there to surprise you... i could go on and on with holes in this series and plots that made no sense... [ like in sith base you walk out with kid under coat ] 1/10 score UPDATE: I refuse to belive that Vader having just extinguish fire in front of him would let Obi get dragged away by android because there is fire in front of him again... and he decides to watch him get dragged away... i REFUSE to give better score just because some characters that we liked in different movies are here... this is not a reason to pump the score up of this show or movie... judge the show by what it is... and lets be honest its a failure... UPDATE2: i talked to friend who i play with and he defended this tv series like his life depended on it... honestly
@gentelmanjunkie542
@gentelmanjunkie542 Жыл бұрын
I'll save you an hour and fourty minutes, it's terrible. Except for the Vader battle that is.
@killgriffinnow
@killgriffinnow Жыл бұрын
My thoughts on this series are that, overall, I thought it was genuinely good and worthwhile. It wasn’t perfect, not by a long shot, and it had its fair share of bad and ridiculous scenes. However, it also has a great deal of good and even great scenes as well. I thought it captured Obi Wan’s isolation really well. People saying that he’s too weak and cowardly are wrong IMO: the Republic has fallen, the Jedi are no more, his best friend betrayed him, of course he’s going to struggle with that. Personally I would rather have a main character who needs to overcome fear and weakness to a Mary Sue who can just do everything from square 1.
@DarthdYT
@DarthdYT Жыл бұрын
Hey Friendship! Yeah, you pretty summed up my thoughts too.
@user-xx6vy9ri8p
@user-xx6vy9ri8p Жыл бұрын
Struggling is one thing and completely giving up is another. He has a job to do - protect Luke and connect with Qui-Gon. That's why his answer "the fight is done, we lost" doesn't make sense? By the way, how did he overcome his struggle? No answer - in the start of ep4 he struggles to move a little detail with the Force, in the end of the same episode he holds an ocean with it.
@yurikendal4868
@yurikendal4868 Жыл бұрын
​@@DarthdYT you're entitled to your opinion even if its based on a false premise
@yurikendal4868
@yurikendal4868 Жыл бұрын
​@@user-xx6vy9ri8p yup. The fight with Vader was objectively stupid. Vader isn't indestructible
@zakai-kaz
@zakai-kaz Жыл бұрын
I though it was pretty neat
@DarthdYT
@DarthdYT Жыл бұрын
Ditto. Not without a bunch of flaws but I'm really happy we have the series.
@dcmihatepie
@dcmihatepie Жыл бұрын
Same. I like the good cloaks with hoods and such
@reddeaddude2187
@reddeaddude2187 Жыл бұрын
That show was so damn awful.
@alexbeltran9525
@alexbeltran9525 Жыл бұрын
Bro stop, this show is absolute garbage
@DarthdYT
@DarthdYT Жыл бұрын
If you default to "this thing is entirely good/bad", then this channel may not be a good fit for you. Yes it definitely has issues but it also definitely is not 100% trash. I enjoy analytically examing and even though I generally dislike Disney-era SW there's still much to appreciate.
@alexbeltran9525
@alexbeltran9525 Жыл бұрын
If you throw 3 diamond rings into a pile a garbage, its still a pile a garbage... but with a few nice things. That's what Obi-Wan felt like... I am just SO done of these mega corporations making us sit through a mountain of garbage while dangling scenes of characters we ALREADY love over our heads. Then going online and seeing fans go nuts cause (insert character here) was in it You guys should debate this with Mauler or like another KZfaqr if you ever get a chance. I do like your channel btw imma stay subscribed
@DarthdYT
@DarthdYT Жыл бұрын
@@alexbeltran9525 I think you're under the impression that I'm 100% impressed with the series, but that's definitely not the case. We just finished another 2 hr recording and we easily spent half that time talking about problems (and probably about the same ratio as in this current video we're commenting on). I'd love to have a discussion with Mauler, but it wouldn't be much of a "debate" as I'd bet we agree on a majority of the issues. The show could be way better, but as someone who's been involved in indie-filmmaking for a long time, I've both produced and seen a ton of absolute garbage and this show doesn't qualify as such. I'm also not happy with how Disney has handled things, but as a film critic I have to be as un-biased as possible. Like, I hate TLJ but you'd have to present a really strong argument to convince me that it's a garbage film.
@alexbeltran9525
@alexbeltran9525 Жыл бұрын
@@DarthdYT very fair not gonna lie! Keep up the fan interaction !
@dcmihatepie
@dcmihatepie Жыл бұрын
@@alexbeltran9525 I love that Darth's reply incluides "I hate TLJ" - we have a really goofy show idea about that because I am the only living human who likes that film lol
@yurikendal4868
@yurikendal4868 Жыл бұрын
The amount of garbage being pumped out ensures that interest in star wars will continue to demimish rapidly. Deliberately poorly written material like Velma will seep into the star wars franchise. Abusive "woke" ideology will continue to bring poor writing as will gaslighting fans. Star wars is pretty much over. The movies will make their billions. Once. The chance we will see good star wars is 0
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