Is it a scandal? No lol. But I wanna offer my thoughts on this because there is good and bad in my opinion! ALSO this might be the only video today UNLESS I get back in time as I want to FINALLY show off the NEW Battle Report studio for the channel :)

Price is definitely a barrier to entry with this game but I’m hoping it will get enough new blood to keep it viable, I can afford it but I feel for those who can’t.

Yeah, these prices are pretty expected and are mostly in line with what GW charges for the old models that are still being produced for AOS and 40k. I think the costs of getting into warhammer in general is going to catch some people off guard, especially if they're coming from total war. GW games are expensive. If you do want to get into them, I *strongly* suggest looking for online storefronts or local stores that sell for less than MSRP. It's still going to be expensive, but at least it's a *little* better. Of course, there's also 3d printing and other companies that offer miniatures you could use as proxies too. It is very rare that reasonable proxies for models won't be accepted, especially in games at your local shop. The only places where you'll really see "only gw plastic" enforced is at official gw tournaments (most tournaments are not this) and maybe at official GW stores.

I feel old world just pushes you to look at 3d printing straight away, quality, cost and availability.

Im happy GW keeps jacking the prices so far up. There are so many amazing artists in the 3D printing scene that just wouldnt be there if Warhammer was a sensibly priced game. My Dawi army cost $50. GW can charge as much as they want, its fine by me, that number will never change.

I rarely comment but I do want to say one thing : I'm a huge fan of the Warhammer universe (Fantasy) but I never got to play the tabletop game before. I wanted to start with the release of The Old World, I was looking forward to it, but the prices... Oof. I can't really afford to invest in a hobby when the entry price is so high.

i bought warhammer minis in 1995 i can still use and paint today. its a hobby and a long term investment that will never actually not be able to be used. hell, i have a jar of citadel bronze flesh from 1995 that i can still use because that was an amazing paint pot design. people always get a bit amused when they find out my harlequins and incubi are metal

If I played Bretonnia I'd just run Grail Knights with Knights of the Realm models. They look almost identical. All you'd need to do is give them a fancier paint scheme, maybe glowing eyes. Sorted!

For the old kits, look at there price when 8th was killed compared to now

I'm excited to build/paint fantasy dwarves and greenskins again. Little by little bit at a time, so eventually I'll be able to play.

The problem that seems nobody is talking about it’s: AVAILABILITY of models! That, by now, it’s abysmal LOW. Online shop with the queue (takes HOURS) just to see that you CAN’T buy nothing cause it’s NOT available. Standard Retailers with NO boxes cause GW didn’t sell to them Online shops 3rd party with NO models or books OR with scalper’s pricing for long forgotten out of stock boxes (like 500€ for a empire MILITIA box). Even equivalent models from Age of Sigmar are out of stock . Even if I had the money…..I couldn’t buy anything 🤣🤣🤣

I’ve done my contribution to supporting GW by buying Settra and the ebook. At this point I’m only interested in new Character models, not the actual tabletop game because it’s just absurdly expensive to get into. Should prices remain roughly the same per unit forever, I’m likely to look elsewhere for “core” units. The grand release with old models was disappointing for me, hopefully we got more new models soon, characters at least. All that negativity aside, I’m stoked the setting is returning, and I can’t wait for the lore.

Why does your store have more stuff in it? By the time preorders opened up here they already sold out of everything I wanted

The price of the Ushabti was heartbreaking to see.

I’ve been in the hobby for 23 years and at no point have people not complained about prices.

There is one thing to charge 36 pounds for a new model, and there is another one to charge same for essentially age-old reprint.

I wish they'd come out with a box for each Faction over time.

It’s wild that I could afford entire armies at 16 on a Mcdonalds budget, and now at 43, making 5x as much, I can’t imagine spending the money on almost the same model line.

I can see everything coming out in plastic and also this is a see how things go and sell, which I think has blown expectations out the water tbh

200 bucks for the Khemri is very questionable and there is no sugar coating that one. 150 would have been fair for each box, 50 for the book and 100 for the plastic crack and I will not now start with production cost which cant be higher then 15 if GW produces them in large enough quantities.

when do the new bretonnia models launch? i cant find that date anywhere.

This might be a silly question to ask, but what's stopping people from 3D printing these minis (besides the obvious lack of official models)? Could that not be an aid to overcoming the barrier of price? Granted 3D printers are expensive, I believe the price of a cheap 3D printer and filament is less than the price of multiple full armies, or maybe even just 2? I'm new to the hobby and want to get deeper into it and definitely can't afford to buy the minis (recent college grad), so I was wondering if there were any alternative methods like proxies that some people might commonly use?

@thegreatbookofgrudges Can't really speak for Stirling, but for USD I would have to disagree with you on the Bretonnia pricing in that I think things inflated better than what people say. From what I remember Grail knights at the end of the game's life was about $80 for five metal miniatures which included a command so a unit of nine would often have you scrambling to to find 4 more regular grail knights. so being able to get a command or three for $60 each isn't that bad since it breaks down to $20 a model. Then with Yeomen it's an improvement since even when I started (2000-2001) they where $18 for one mini so again $60 for three either regular or command is a god sent. Pegasus knights are an odd ones since they did use to have a sprue for command but Realm knights often came more than enough bits to build it.

For me I’m happy they are making tomb kings again even if they are a little pricey I missed out on getting them the first time they came out now I have a chance to build the Army again.

I love this guys videos but saying he’s happy with the pricing when he gets sent everything for free cracks me up 😂

3:00 main think i notice; most think like 90% sold out in a day ... i feellt confuse why it is pree order if it is not made for lik eorder first; thnat produce min that amout of stuff..

You say metal is the most over cost, but Battle Standard bearer mounted and on foot kit is $83. They are 2 new beautiful models I want but not at $83.

It's not cheap, but I was expecting far worse. I'm happy with the prices because the game is S teir, also maybe it's the fact most of this stuff has been out of print and sold for ridiculous ebay lots. The very fact I have a tomb Kings army is just magical. Objectively yes it's very expensive, but if you love your army, paint it just the way you want it and make it yours, and game with it regularly a warhammer army can be priceless.

Books are about the only thing i buy from GW anymore, otherwise it's the 3s, 3rd party and 3d print. If I get a super good deal i might buy something

I'll buy the books, and maybe Settra, but I can't afford to drop $300+ on plastic dudes.

I used to play WHFB 6th/7th ed, left the hobby and sold everything when GW ended support for the game. I'm excited to get back into it with TOW, but the availability of good third party sculpts is very different in 2024 when compared to my 6th ed days. As long as I'm not planning on playing official GW events, why wouldn't I grab Highland minis, which are cheaper and arguably look better?

As a Total War player only, the "boardgame" side of Warhammer always felt crazy to me, one of those super weird hobbies. But if people are willing to burn money that way, whatever, it's their choice. I only wish this IP gets popular to a extent of justifying a high quality animated series, imagine a Warhammer Fantasy series, 10 episodes, quality similar to Arcane? So yeah, keep buying more plastic, eventually this dream series will become a reality!

Well, Warhammer isn’t a drop £300 on army and play it type of game. It’s spend £60ish a month kind of game. And if someone can’t afford £60 per month on their hobby, they probably need different hobby. I started playing in 2000 and I feel like models are actually cheaper today than they were back then. The famous Tale of Four Gamers was £150 for a full army and it is equivalent of over £300 today. I’m comfortably making a Chaos Warrior army for under £300. Didn’t check, but pretty sure other factions can do it too. We all would like things to be cheaper, but Warhammer was never that. And it probably never will.

Everything is over priced. It's indeed good to have fantasy back, but there's a lot of disappointments invollved with the release. However, legacy armies such as Skaven and Dark Elves are probably joining the game on a later stage. I think it all depends on how this is recieved. The reason metal models are so expensive is because they are more complicated to create than plasstic molds, from what I heard. For me personally, it's only good news when we get the rules, I can dust off my old armies again. Have around 12k points of Skaven, 8k points Dark Elves and somewhere in between points of O&G. Only partially painted. I can't even muster a 2k fully painted competetive army right now. But I don't have to buy a single model for any of my armies as I've got so much of everything and this is the case for many veterans out there. All I need are rules and army books and I'm good to go. And these will be available for free on the internet soon, either by pirates or by GW themselves.

22:40 i alwse was think mettal is better and more stedy; harder to destroy?/damage?

Thanks Nathan. Appreciate your honesty on this.

I was looking forward to the Old World, constantly thinking of Knight heraldry I could do with transfers from Space Marine kits, but sorry I'm out till a second edition (or possibly Kislev or Cathay release) with new models.

I'm sticking with 3d prints of most of the stuff that is just a reprint of old models at this point. I am willing to shell out for good plastic models, but the nature off mass battle games makes it so I am going to cut corners where I can. If you want to see how pricing for a rank and file game should be, you should look at Conquest from Para Bellum.

Yeah, there is one, huge question - when and in what manner GW will bring back models for other factions. Like cmon if you will make ppl wait for next year or so for eg next 2 armies then it will definitely be not something good. I wish GW will be more transparent about their TOW roadmap

3d printing + 3d printed minies on etsy, vae victis, no more gw hehe

My goals with reviewing what people published is to interrogate the strategy. Are they trying to expand the hobby to new people or maximise profit from existing players. Sounds like the latter

The launch boxsets, Bretonnia, and Tomb Kings, in Australia, the prices are honestly, absurd, even by GW standards; Bretonnia: $435 AUD Tomb Kings: $490 AUD I dont see how these prices are reasonable (I'm taking into account the conversion/exchange rate), since the cheapest kit is around $100 AUD I'm interested in starting a Tomb Kings army, and maybe some other armies, for whatever factions are available, but the price points, makes it difficult

Hello Nathan! I would suggest you at minimum start discussing the USD pricing too, gw still heavily fixes their pricing and it does not follow exchange rates. Some of these "okay" values are downright insulting stateside. Also, I am in the third largest city in the US and not a SINGLE lgs offers deals. I have to order from shops elsewhere that do and hit their free shipping minimum.

Do you also play AoS and 40k?

I hate when they don't put the banners or leaders or upgrades in the starter box. Such a disappointment to get the box, see these on the box art or manual and be left high and dry, needing to buy a completely new sprue just for that. Some times you don't even want a full unit or you get stuck with more models that you can field. I also loathe having almost enough bits to make a couple more models but you are just missing one key bit. Those extra bits were not free. Just include every thing you need to use all the base bits. I've got a ton of troggoth bits that are just missing like the feet or bosses missing the torso(Think it was?). Ridiculous.

i feel like while this IS expensive, its probably one of the cheapest games to get into for modern gw large scale battles. It definitely helps that they got unit sizes and points costs down pretty well for this ruleset (even the horde armies seem to be more affordable). If they can keep this general pricing structure down the line then i think it should be great.

Keep showcasing more OW models. Thanks for the vid.

Their profit margin is ridiculous. Mad that they have been able to maintain it. Especially with 3d printing competition.

The box of 20 tomb guard isn't bad by today's standards. The set of 3 metal ushabti is ludicrous. I'm just glad 3D printing is in such a great place right now. I prefer having the official scupts, even if they are old and janky. But the price hikes over the last few years have pushed me away from buying GW anywhere but the secondary market. I just hope new hobbyists become aware of the cheaper options before they give up completely. WHFB died in my area because of the insane pricing and barrier to entry. Would be a shame to see them make the same mistake twice by focusing on squeezing the dedicated few over bringing in new blood.

£12 per grail knight is insane.

Not defending GW's pricing policy, but what people always forget is that this is a hobby, not a first need good.

With GW products I remain of the opinion that in the money vs time enjoyed calculation their products remain good value. I spend many, many hours with any given product and if we compare this with video games, home video, cinema, restaurant, public tourist attractions, even some gardening, or (the most expensive of all for time enjoyed) holidays away from home, GW remains top value. Comperable pastimes in that calculation might include some sporting activities, some board games and some other arts and crafts. Most other collecting type hobbies are far more expensive for the time they offer. Yes, some paatimes are vastly cheaper, but not many, it needs to also be noted that GW products also tend to keep their value or even increase in value (if you paint them fairly well), so that investment isn't just in enjoyment, you don't really lose the wealth, it is just in a non liquid form.

If anyone who watches this or Nathan himself can answer this, I am a complete outsider to Warhammer so I would like to ask a few entry level questions. I got downvoted to shit on the warhammer fantasy subreddit so I came here. To me, as someone that's never played a tabletop tape measure game, the prices seem absolutely criminal. But this is likely as a result of me not understanding parts of it. These prices in particular are not what I mean, I mean the prices for ALL tabletop games, and they've seemed criminal to me for decades at this point. So if possible I would like someone to answer the following questions to help me understand. 1: What is the price per unit on one of these models for the manufacturer, how much does a single Ushabti cost to make for instance? What about a plastic model? 2: How high is the markup on these? If these were priced at say, double the cost of manufacture, what would the prices look like? 3: How much of the price tag is literally just the Games Workshop name and nothing else? 4: Why are so many players so okay with paying what seem to be extortionate prices to me as an outsider for 20 models? Again, as someone who knows absolutely nothing about this stuff, this is not meant to insult the hobby or start an argument, I just genuinely want a straight answer to these questions to help me understand. I could never see myself justifying spending $28 for a single Ushabti model let alone paying for the box. This is why I have not gotten into the hobby, it just seems so unreasonably expensive and seems like you are just getting robbed at literally every step of the process and there is no fair pricing anywhere. So please, explain to me how people see this as fair pricing, and what I am missing. This applies to historical pricing as well not just Old World. Thanks in advance for.

19:40 actually kinda no, so if steam ever would have to close down they have in there agreement a emergency protocol that will allow them to hand you all the games you own....yes online will be dead and some companies may make such a transition painful but weirdly when It comes to steam spefically...no if steam dies you still keep total war Warhammer, however probably no multiplayer until someone sets up a server.

what also cofuse me; is thinks like map was only in GW store; and i lern it day 2 of sales pre order so it was sold out; ;[

I’m probably going to get hammered for saying this, but i have never really had a problem with finecast. I convert just about all my heroes and characters, and have always found it easier to work with because it cuts easier than metal.

Fascinating like majority is saying that metal models are bad and we need plastic. But I'm on a completely opposite side. Old models have character for me and they are much more appealing than the new ones, often overdesigned. So I'm happy they are selling the old metal models. Also I do rather prefer resin than plastic. However I'm unhappy with the price. UK one pricing is pretty decent but other countries..well the prices are horrendous.

I just hope they have the nicer old plastic kits ready for re-release soon, i think newer players without pre-existing collections will feel a bunch better if they can get say Empire state troops in the 20 for £47.50 SKU. Or another thing they could do is reprise some of the nicer mono pose stuff like the Seaguard, Dwarf warriors and the imo perfectly serviceable Empire and Orc monoposes from 6th ed and have them as a 'Budget' option. I really think they should reconsider things if they were gonna use the faction starter sets as a rollout method, i just don't think it works. The Tomb Guard box (and tbh the Necro/WarSphynx) really is about as good as you're gonna get from GW outside of Starter Sets, some of the AoS Vanguard boxes (which seem to be slightly better value than Combat patrols) or Underworlds if you just want some beautiful models that might otherwise be £20 each.

For those prices they should paint em up for you :-)

Thanks for a balanced review of an emotional topic. Good job.

For Pegasus in PLN it will be around 200 PLN (5x40£)... but now used and old Pegasus are at least for 80-100 PLN. So yeah, GW is cheaper than second hand ;)

Hope they bring out starters without the hardcover rulebooks.

Do stores really do discounts?

I own 5 AOS armies and a 40k army. I may buy some new models, but quite frankly i found them offering this many old models at these prices to be *almost* insulting. It's harsh to say that, but some of these sprues are older than my friends - that's ridiculous. I may have to start saving for a 3D printing.

22:0 my locak bar / board game/ battle games place; is on GW list of sops so alo i think i will cut on delivery on top of discount ;] but like elrerr methink map confuse me with only in GW ; wonder if deliver tom y place still willl be free

the MOUNTED YEOMEN pack for the United States is $80...5 minis for $80

I've been assembling some of my old pile of shame metal models and boy is the plastic so much better to work with. Let's hope metal gets phased out sooner than later to be replaced with plastic.

I remember my finecast Alarielle the Radiant mini... it shattered into splinters and GW never wanted to take responsibility for taking care of warranty on it XD The only problem I have at this point is that I kinda want 4 High Elf Spearmen and 4 Archers.... the Batallion box I bought many many years ago came with 16 of each and I really wanna run a 5 man frontrow with 4 ranks. >_>;

The bc rich mockingbird is the nicest shape imo

Costs 500$ for the bretonnia box here in new Zealand

I think it doesn't make sense to call some boxes "good value" while only comparing it to other games workshop products. Comparing the bretonians to similar fireforge boxes would be fair for example.

Nah, metal is easily the best material. I have over 200 metal models in my couple of Warhammer Fantasy armies, all original GW. Of the new releases I'm interested almost only in the metal kits, might get some of the plastics that are over 20 years old but nothing more modern. GW prices for their metals are rough even for an Oldhammer fanatic like myself who buys old models on eBay all the time, I usually pay less second-hand but still happy to see more of those classic models produced so future Oldhammerers can enjoy them too. I will buy the original 2003 Ushabti from GW and a few other things like Carrion that I’m missing if they bring them back.

Sort of agree but the tomb swarm seems really expensive for what it is. The ushabti is ridiculous. Would really prefer metal models to be gone as you said

The attitude to some of this is quite amusing. Rightfully mad about Shadows of Change, but then 3 ancient, partially metal Grail Knights for 70 dollars? Sold out. And that's "a little disappointing" or "a little too much." These prices get to the point that this is looking almost like a nostalgia based cash grab, because I don't see how many new people will be able to afford this. That said, the Starter Sets are okay. But also so many ancient models, some that really are bad.

The price for the starter boxes seems extremely good for James Workhops' prices. That's like 8 points per £ for the Brettons, I'm just really confused by the fact that it's almost all really old stuff. If you're going to relaunch a series wouldn't you... Relaunch it? If the problem was that people weren't buying new armies how does releasing an old army help that?

Of house the guy who gets them for the cheapest say it’s not a bad deal

beeing a mass product, the minis' price is rediculous, but it's GW soooo.....we all knew what's comming

This is not value for money at all for old sprues. A comparison for what is value is historical wargaming with Perry miniatures offering box sets of brand new plastic minis, 38 to 44 minis in a box for £22! Warlord, Gripping Beast, Wargames Atlantic and Victrix at similar price point to Perrys. Some of those ranges can be used in Warhammer, using Warlord landsneckts for Empire troops.

3d printer goes brrrrr. You can print a Bretonnia army for pennies

lmao I knew there would be videos about this years ago since it was first announced. This is GW.

Can't belive they've only got 2 factions on preorder. Farcical.

You should be comparing the prices to the prices of competitors like perry miniatures, mantic, kings of war, etc. . Comparing GW with GW doesn't say much about value.

I think the pricing in general isnt worse than the rest of GWs products. The starterboxes are ludicrously cheap. I did the math on the Breton box, if you get it at 20% savings from the GW price and subtract the cost of the rulebook, each unit costs less than 16€. That is amazing! But even the other kits arent too bad, most unit boxes cost betwwen 40-50€ so realistically (32-40€) and since most boxes come with 3 big monsters, 5-7 Cavellary or 20 infantry its really not too bad. Warhammer Fantasy always has been more expensive than the other GW product lines, since you have WAY more minis on board, but the price for the plastic is usually significantly cheaper than the other products. Point out one 40k box, where you get 20 infantry modells for 32-40€

It feels like GW wants to milk as much money as possible out of this release before killing off TOW.

"Im happy with the prices 😬" * gets shipped new stuff for free directly at home *

Something a lot of people doesn't speak much about, is that when you checked on ebay for WHB models, they were very pricey. GW re-release is still cheaper for a lot of these models, so even if I'm unhappy for the lack of new models overall, Old World still means you can re-buy WHB models at a fixed price.

I’ve gotten as far as good value and you saying £47.30 is good value for 20 models that is old … right….

You can tell Old World isn’t going to get the level of support AOS, and 40K do. These are 30+ yr old models and in the US, a box of Tomb Guard is $80. 😂 fuck GW and their criminal pricing. If they priced them fairly, I’d buy them, but now I’m just going to 3D print them all for pennies on the dollar.

Because i have not enouth money for the prices GW wants and i cant print money. I print miniatures

pigeon knights lol

The prices of old warhammer models are fine if you just avoid buying anything GW. My entire army has a single old metal GW model in it.

Fair do's a lot of the tomb kings stuff is somewhat recent sculpts if not brand new and is good value as you say. Definately tempting

I mean gw making record profits still?

Grave guard is a really bad example because I would not recommend people to buy those kits either since they have the same problem as the tomb guard. Especially considering the Mortek Guard exist which are also 20 minis for around 50$ while the tomb guard are 68$ and while not being objectively worse are much older. This pretty much embodies my problem with the prices for the old world. I don't mind the minis but I do not think they are worth modern prices that I could be getting modern miniatures with. And as for being better value now that should be a given these won't have the value of something like the old boxes that were released 20 years ago which I imagine even with the release of the new minis will still probably be worth more as collection pieces so these new minis with their old sculpts imo should be even cheaper than what they're offering.

It’s a hobby all hobbies are expensive try anything else it’s all expensive

sad cards saold out ; sound veryy usfulll ; but herd it not come back; [ at les t mabe for new faction???

GW pricing policy is nothing new. In all honesty, i expected nothing less. Nevertheless, I am very happy that Warhammer Fantasy has returned and i will enjoy playing my Tomb Kings once again.

I find it curious that so many people complain about the models simply for being old. Surely when deciding whether or not to buy the question should be 'are the models any good'? I get that in some cases the answer is no (though this is very subjective), but this is not the same thing as being 'old'. I also realise there will be people who already have the old models and would like something new just to have something different, but suspect that mostly those who already have enough models for a unit aren't going to be buying anyway.

I honestly think they price the metal minis so highly because they require a lot more manual work to cast than the mass produced plastic machines they used. It's why most other stores price metal so low, but Games Workshop has a big business hyper-value employee time more aggressively, so price highly for work that requires more hands-on work.

I ordered the Khemri box, despite being shocked when first seeing the price. Then I did the math - Paid 25€ for a regiment box 20 years ago, 80€ for the small army Box if available. If I look at the starter box for Khemri, I am able to get it for 190€ at the hobby store, and that is basically the price from 20 years ago without any inflation. Is it old kits ? Yes, but they are iconic and I like them, and since I also pay the old price for the old models, I don't care. Tomb guard and sphinx are also good price for Warhammer, and the rest gets 3D printed or kitbashed (Ushabtis and all other resin or metal kits), end of story. Sure there are badly priced boxes, but just don't buy them, we have 2024 and you will get good looking decent-resin-quality alternatives easily. I am just happy the game is back and hope that with time the range and stuff will increase in size and quality, but never had any Illusions about a 100% new kits or old kits at discount rates...