Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - The Jordan Harbinger Show: jordanharbinger.com/lex/ - Sun Basket: sunbasket.com/lex and use code LEX to get $35 off - BetterHelp: betterhelp.com/lex to get 10% off - Eight Sleep: www.eightsleep.com/lex and use code LEX to get special savings 1:53 - History of early programming languages 6:46 - Physics needs more experiments and less theory 11:23 - JavaScript origin story 36:16 - JavaScript was created in 10 days 45:56 - Marc Andreessen 49:13 - Internet Explorer 52:57 - Evolution of JavaScript 58:43 - Javascript standardization 1:04:33 - TypeScript 1:07:04 - JavaScript ecosystem 1:10:14 - HTML5 1:13:46 - Making JavaScript fast 1:22:56 - JavaScript is the most popular language in the world 1:33:22 - Advice for programmers 1:39:19 - Browser wars 1:45:49 - Firefox 2:07:32 - Brave 2:20:32 - Basic Attention Token 2:45:35 - California 2:54:47 - Mortality 2:55:53 - Legacy

1:54:09 I left out Ben Goodger (who took over as Firefox owner at 0.6) and Jason Kersey (who Ben told me originated the “Firefox” name) from the informal mozilla/browser => Phoenix team.

I’m a scientist, not a programmer, but these interviews with creators of languages and computational methods are more interesting than those with philosophers and scientists. I think that society has overemphasized science and philosophy and neglected mathematics and engineering. I like this podcast because it helps redress the balance. Nice interview!

Being a software engineer I am more inclined to these type of podcast guests instead of non-science and engineering backgrounds. Given you want to cater to wider audiences, keep bringing these type of guests once in a blue moon for us computer nerds. 😄 Great podcast as always

I am not a programmer and went along on this ride, comprehending just 30%, but deeply appreciating 100% of intellect in action.

This dude is freaking awesome lol, 40 minutes in and he's still blasting CS history at like a hundred miles an hour

This guy is singlehandedly the reason myself and so many other developers have had great careers. I started with JS in 2000 and used Flash (Actionscript) for many years as well. Now I teach JS to other people. 10 days people. He had 10 days to design it! Since then (thankfully) there's been so many improvements to the language and the engines. Big fat THANK YOU to Brendan Eich!

Erratum at 1:14:32 - Luke Wagner and other Mozilla wasm and rust talent left Mozilla for Fastly. I found out after recording this.

I am not a CS person but these are the types of content/information I didn't know I needed. Why wouldn't we want to hear directly from the people that created revolutionary technologies that changed our world? I think we've become so desensitized to the wonders of technology that we don't pause to appreciate them. Big thank you to all CS people that are contributing to the advancement of the future of our digital world.

It's incredibly encouraging to see there are still people fighting back against big tech, doubly so someone as experienced as Brendan who's been going up against the giants since the days of NetScape. Lex, you gotta have this guy back on soon!

I understand about 1% of what Brendan talks about, but I give him 100% respect for bringing us Firefox and Brave! ♥ He deserves some sort of award.

While I spent 5 days on a SPA application that uses JavaScript (React) this gentleman spent 10 days in creating the entire language, just unbeliavable. I feel like a bacteria compared to that man.

For me, as complete beginner who's just beginning to learn about programming at the basic foundational level. This is one of the most interesting conversations I've ever seen on any platform. Best podcast to date imo.

I’ve been using Brave almost exclusively for over a year now on desktop and mobile. I love it.

I am an accountant/finance guy by trade and now do online personal training... I have absolutely 0 invested in this subject (at least directly)... yet I find myself completely intrigued by this convo and grateful humans like Brendan (and Lex) exist. I love when people speak passionately about what they love. It gives me life. GIves me hope

I am a JavaScript developer. Thanks for my career!

His mind is sharp like a sword.

One of the best interviews I've ever watched, never watched through something for 3 hours feeling inspired and engaged by 2 human beings having a conversation.

This taught me more about the internet/programming than anything I've ever built, watched, listened to, and participated in throughout my entire life. I absolutely loved it!

As someone who's in a mentorship program for software engineering and learning Javascript on a daily basis, I started drooling when I saw this in my feed! Please continue to bring more guests on like this Lex! Thanks Brendan for all of your contributions to the word of Compsci.

Im a hardware engineer transitioning to software development. Its so good to hear the history and background of these languages. I started with JavaScript. Great content keep up the good work!

Man I subscribed to you 2 weeks ago and i'm addicted to your podcast. I replaced whole time listening to music with your podcasts and by far i'm loving it!

i recommended this guest like 100 episodes back finally

*Fantastic*, fascinating, history, straight from the horse's mouth!!! It's wonderful how it all came together, so satisfying to watch it (JS) evolve. Thank you, Brendan, for this amazing language :) And thanks, Lex, for talking with Brendan - for me, this is one of the best podcasts in your series!

1:27:10 “C++/Java is like Wall Street and JavaScript is more like wallstreetbets” Love it! Great interview!

19:51 "I could have told Netscape 'I can't do this, it's too rushed', and it would have been Visual Basic Script." This made me like JS much more than I did before. Thank you Brendan for saving us 🙏

Only 30 minutes in and I can already tell this will be a podcast I'll have to continue to come back to. There's so much to glean from this. Such a great conversation! Thank you Lex and Brendan!

This video had taught me more about dating than I expected! The whole idea of being the first, even if you suck, is what will give you evolutionary advantage. Then improve later

This dude is based af. Great episode💙💚💜

Working as a programmer for the web for 22 years now, it’s great to get the insights from you, the source Brendan!! Working on a large scale web app now using pure JS, ReactJS, and MySQL, while listening to this. I love how JS has been so embraced and leveraged everywhere.

Hegel, Shakespeare, Plato and Aristotle, this man is not just intelligent, but cultured! And charismatic to boot... Eich is everything Zuckerberg, Gates, Bezos, et al are not. Notice how he fondly gives credit and praise to everyone he worked with in his career, he didn't just build the internet, he built friendships. Cheers to this guy

This is by far my favorite interview. Please have Brendan on again.

Generally I enjoy all conversations Lex has but this episode in particular is something different filled with inspiration and determination I would recommend it to everyone that works with technology. This is my first time posting also so thank you Lex for the amazing content you put out there and the amazing guest you have.

I think this has been my favourite interview so far. Very refreshing to hear someone from Silicon Valley have an informed understanding of the true roots of America. This has me very interested in contributing to Brave.

Yo Lex you could verify your KZfaq channel with Brave Rewards so you can earn BAT :)

If you told me before listening I would be thoroughly engrossed in someone talking about Javascript for 3 hours I would not have believed you. Really engaging guest and as usual Lex allows them to guide the conversation themselves. Really enjoyed it.

Wow, what an underappreciated interviewee. Netscape, history of Mozilla, C, Rust, JavaScript, Python.... This guy just has a wealth of knowledge and seems like a great guy.

This was an incredible conversation, powerful.

A based Christian man! He can school you on the meaning of life. :]

I have listened a number of interviews of Brendan Eich on different podcasts and I find this one to be the best... a really awesome dive to history of the web. Thank you Brendan and Lex!

This guy is quite amazing. Such honest intellect with great purpose and vision. I will definitely be a supporter and investor of Brave and BAT.

I immediately downloaded Brave and proceeded to watch it on this browser. Lex Fridman needs to verify himself on the syatem :P

I feel like that interview could have gone on a few more hours 👍

This is required viewing for anyone who programs. Any and all levels. Brendan weaves history, theory, and technology together so well. And Lex asks all the right questions.

Thank you very much for inviting Brendan and conducting this brilliant interview, Lex. I deeply enjoyed the conversation and learned a lot of interesting facts.

Flash played a role in filling the UI gap that Javascript, CSS and HTML5 ultimately filled. Some great web application UIs were created in Flash because you could mimic the GUI of a desktop app, but arguably more elegantly, and in a browser.

This is so much fun. At the turn of the century I worked at a big accounting firm with a massive IT practice that dwarfed the traditional accounting departments. My boss was one of my best friends it was all good. The firm had been one of the first IBM business partners and the partner in charge at the firm basically invented batch processing on ibm mainframes in the late 1960s. I was hired to learn lotus notes which we ran on AS400 or iSeries which our firm had been the main beta tester for Silver Lake back in the day. At the time I could not imagine WE could not imagined that anything could out perform lotus notes on the latest ISeries which could RUN ANYTHING it even had a PC server on a card in the machine. First lotus did Java which the AS400 was great for. But then they added all the web browser stuff including JavaScript which rocked our world . We could just put little snips of code that could move mountains on the AS400, but just cutting and pasting tiny bits of code into a box in notes. Anyway that is what makes this so fun. Thank you!

Appreciate that you make this conversation comprehensible for someone who is not a tech person. "Economics was always compromised by politics"... Talk about wars and the tech era... Interesting, awesome!

💳This was a great walkthrough of browser history! Makes you look at the browser with a different perspective and appreciation. As always Lex gives you the goods.

These talks are just getting better and better! Watching these more than Netflix.

Best episode yet. Brendan is such a gem. Truly a modern day legend.

What a guy. When I listen to these podcasts and the stories of Marc and Brendan and you name them all, they are not loners doing some nerdy code in a basement. It's actually a very social process.

I learned so much. I agree that more engineering guys with knowledge this deep should be on the pod more frequently. Hearing the history of software development is fascinating.

Really interesting conversation about software and languages we use everyday. Loved the energy Brendan brought to the table.

Best talk I’ve heard in a very long time.

This is awesome! I am doing a project for my Programming Languages class on JavaScript!! Part 1 Historic Background! Thank You Lex & Brendan!

Please, keep bringing this kind of diversity. Excellent guest. Excellent interview

Sir Brendan, you made my whole career, Thank you!

This guy knows everything math, biology, physics, electronics, computer science

Been following Brendan onTwitter for years now. Such a cool and smart dude. Most importantly, he is based. Cares about privacy, the individual, and freedoms for all humans. He is truly the solution to tech tyrants like Google, Microsoft. etc. Fully support Brave Browser and anything else Brendan brings to us consumers.

That was great from start to finish. The man is sharp as a whip and not dull. I could even listen to a 6 hour interview with him.

Absolutely love Brave on both mobile and desktop, Brendan is the king of the web

I couldn’t finish it in one go, but I finally finished it all. WOW, this was a fantastic and informative podcast. Thank you both very much for this.

just came back to watch this ep. somehow I missed it. I love how straightforward Brendan's descriptions and stories are.

This is fascinating, one of my favorites so far! A nice trip down memory lane over my career as a web and software developer.

I worked at Silicon Graphics UK in the mid 90s in its heyday. During my era we bought Cray. Best job I ever had.

I enjoyed every minutes of this. I always say that JavaScript is King. and thanks Brendan Eich for gifting us this precious resource.

I really enjoy this from a post-learning standpoint. I've been around as a software user since early 80s, and have lived through all this change. I like this... the backstory. Excellent contribution.

Programmer : 0=="0" JS : true Programmer: 0==[] JS :true Programmer : Ok so "0"==[] right? Makes sense to me.. JS : false Programmer : GET OUT!..

The computer science episodes are my absolute favourites. Awesome stuff.

Brave is AMAZING!

Just saw this episode & installed Brave right away! I like it!

I just switched to brave recently. I really like it so far.👍🙌

Great conversation. Highly recommend Brave.

Thanks for sharing this interview. Informative and what an interesting history of the browsers!

I switched to Brave a while ago and I haven't missed Chrome at all. It even imported all of my bookmarks and passwords so was an easy switch.

This is a jewel!!! Had no idea Brendan was the source. Long live JS!!!

Can't wait for the Torvalds interview!

Firefox began to go downhill after this guy left Mozilla.

Thanks for this amazing episode Lex! Loved every minute of it! Invite Rasmus Lerdorf (PHP creator) some time in near future please :) In fact, would love to hear from all language inventors.

I've been using Brave for about 1 year and it is now my main browser, it's great. I wrote a simple website for a client a few weeks ago and decided to use no Javascript libraries (just plain Javascript) as an experiment to see how it is now on its own. It really was fine, maybe not super succinct but it's come a long way since the sad times of IE6. It basically does what you would expect from it, without the mental gymnastics or exhaustive typing that used to be involved. My only gripe is the fetch API, for the simple task of getting the raw contents of a URL request it feels a bit over complicated. JS classes are fantastic though, what a change that makes.

Would be interesting to hear you talk with Jonathan Blow about his JAI programming language.

Really grateful for Brave Browser. Absolutely love it!

great to see the creator of JavaScript it's my favorite programming language

This is a gift for posterity. Thank you Lex Fridman! Killer interview

I was elated when I saw the notification. Been waiting for this a long time.

Brendan seems like both a super bright and super likeable guy. Great interview, as always!

Fantastic insights into Javascipt and the history of the Web!

This was one of the best episodes.

As a web developer, I find this episode awesome and extremely useful. Usually technological stuff on this podcast is centered around AI and theoretical CS, but applying that same thinking to web development was great to hear.

An incredible interview. Lex really knows code and was able to ask excellent questions. JavaScript is such an awesome language.

Fantastic interview, even though it's 3 hours I easily could've listened for a few more. I've been using Brave as my daily driver for several years now and absolutely love it. Lex, you need to get verified so I can tip some BAT your way.

This brings back too many memories of dealing with early web and Windows development. Delphi Pascal, Internet Explorer, Xml, Java, Actionscript. Typescript, jQuery. It really is a living organism, or rather a species that leaves a trail of dead standards and legacy code. Flash is dead along with the cat piano app I wrote in it. R.I.P No mention of the prototype paradigm is surprising. Now there's Solidity which inherits the javascript syntax so it'll never die.

Lex I fkkn love you man. You're whole vibe makes me feel better. You ARE spreading love and knowledge. Wish there were more like you. Respect

Brendan mentions a internet Archive site by a guy name "Bill Dorsch" (no idea how to spell the last name) as one of the first SPAs. Anybody able to find this site? (Time stamp 52:30)

Oh wow as I web developer I am thrilled to listen to anything Brendan Eich has to say! Hitting the like button in advance

Bring him on for round 2!

Brilliant discussion again. I did not know Brendan, but have to say I really like his take on all the topics discussed on this podcast. Need to take Javascript on my to-learn list from now, also downloaded Brave just now =)

Brendan was the first casualty of cancel culture. The canary in the coal mine. Support Brave.👍

this guy is an OG for real alot of knowledge