Yes, really curious to see how those Philips TVs with Mini Leds compare...

congratulations. how's the motion handling in games and movies ? any ghosting or judder or jittery motion?

Wrong! I have this TV and I cannot believe and never imagined how Insanely Beautiful and Clearly Detailed the Upscaled Content looks on this 8K QNED!

That’s what they said about 4K not long ago

@@cmpmeridian1 Exactly how I feel!

@@DontBeAWhoreAnymoreJesusIsHere for how much

@@DontBeAWhoreAnymoreJesusIsHere I’ve seen 8k is looks like my 4k lol. 30 thousand dollars to artificially upscale my 4k to 8k ? No thanks.

shoulda got the C1

@@Lstead15 the same tv with minor tweaks I have the 48” cx and it’s beautiful. I won’t upgrade for 4 years or so and by then hopefully there will be enough of a difference and also lowered prices for me to warrant the upgrade 👍🏻

Very good i bought a second lg cx 65inch 1259 euros a no brainer last week for gaming for my son.

@@piensluc7444 I love it. If he's got a series x ori and the will of the wisps is a must. Cyberpunk blewy mind too. Also, gears 5

Congratulations, mate, it's fantastic, gigantic and perfect quality, perfect choice.

The Problem is because Oled still has by far best picture quality other brands and even Lg want to let the average user suggest it is similar to Oled. So they call them Qned ,Qled etc...

Sony calls its microled crystal led. Samsung named their crappiest lcd tv's crystal uhd....

@@Zoranurai13 And before that, when OLEDs started gaining traction in the market, Samsung named their LED-backlit LCDs "LED TVs". Is it just me, or Samsung has the most dishonest marketing when it comes to displays (see also: foldable "glass")

@@geiers6013 It worked for Samsung (IIRC they were the ones who started calling their LED-backlit LCDs "LED TVs", giving the consumer the impression that it was a new display technology). LG had to give a fancy name to their display technology or no one would buy it. Nobody knows what a Triluminos display is, but everyone has heard about "QLED" TVs. It's the way marketing works, unfortunately.

@@Zoranurai13 sonys Crystal LED is a different tech.. Micro led. These qned, neoqled MINI leds are full array lcd tvs

Also "Allow me to explain..."

I would hope so, only replaced a few months ago!

In ten years it will be still phenomenal ! There is not THAT much room for optimization . Perfect blacks can't get more black!

Still? You talk like the CX is a 8 year old TV!

It's crazy how people need to justify their purchases online

How well does it handle video games? I love oled but the whole potential burn in thing has always made me reluctant to buy

I'll tell you the easiest way to ruin a TV is to compare side by side to the old one. I kept my 27" UK600 IPS monitor at my desk flanked by a C1 OLED, I actually preferred the tiny IPS in 80% of the content despite its pathetic blacks regardless of how far back I sat. OLED is unmatched for cinema viewing though.

Yeah I don't know why LG is so stubborn when it comes to using IPS on it's LED TVs.

@@ntz752 viewing angle techniques have improved tremendously. Almost no one watches tv from such a sharp angle and ips, while keeping color, just becomes incredibly black from the side. Black smearing is no longer an issue in high quality va panels and native contrast>viewing angles any time of the day

Yup. 1800 zones vs OLED's 1:1 pixel level dimming aka 8,294,400 "dimming zones" is a huge JOKE. 😂😂😂

and for example i can't / won't buy a OLED cause of the "brun-in" subject (use the TV as a third pc monitor among other things) :(

hi right model to review is 2022 lg qned 86 series miniled tv - 55 inches ,please later do comparison against other miniled and oled tvs, regards ricky

​@@rickstorm2167check the video of "stop the fomo"

By the way this days my main TV is LG C7, and I don’t have problem waiting a year or so to wait for Sony to add VRR to its TV like the A90J or maybe I’m making mistake thinking like that and it won’t happen at all.

They are confirmed to have va and I think they could be really good. Maybe even compete with the qn90a.

I have this TV and I Promise you that this IPS Panel is Astonishingly Blacker and Brighter and More Emersive and just an overall more Beautiful Picture than the Samsung VA Panel QN90A 4K TV that I returned!

@@98Arvin Thank You ; )

As I’m probably going to wait until Black Friday deals are out I’ve got time to see how the Phillips performance against LG and hopefully Vincent will review the Philips TVs in the near future.

Ratings said the LG G1 is brighter than Sony A90J

@@mrwalker6026 yep and for less then the price of the Sony.

@@joseluisruiz3789 The funny thing is the older LG C9 even gets as bright as G1 and A90J without an Evo panel.. makes you wonder

@@joseluisruiz3789 TV marketing 101...next year's Qd oled and Micro LED'S will be the next proper upgrade

@@mrwalker6026 I noticed that because I have a 77" LG OLED C9 that I bought back in September 2019. I actually want to buy the 83" C1 and put it in my living room and then put the 77" C9 in my bedroom to replace my 2013 Sharp Aquos 60 tv lol! After getting my OLED I can't stand the blooming on my Old Sharp Aquos plus image 2 dead pixels on that TV 😅 it served me well though. The pixel thing barely happened last month.

It’s not just IPS, the polarization coatings on LCD TVs with VA panels which are designed to improve off axis picture, also create glow. My Sony X95H has it. However I hate LCD off axis picture with out it.

@@Radarcb329 Yeah can imagine. I‘m on OLED for TVs since 2017 so I only know IPS glow on my 4K monitor and I had to try several panels till I got one that was somewhat bearable. But I prefer OLED by a lot and if the 32EP950 would‘ve been less expensive I would‘ve gotten that instead.

Currently no ETA.

Somehow I have to think about Sony in this regard.

@@hdtvtest Alright we'll continue to wait patiently for your review to enlighten us. If you don't mind, please do let us know the moment you've news that a C825 is on the way to your test lab so we can be at ease knowing the answers are arriving and it'll only be a few days wait left. It looks like for 2021 the Philips Mini LED and TCL C825 are the only LCD options with Dolby Vision, Mini LED, VA Panel, and HDMI 2.1 gaming features, just that both of them carry Mediatek SOCs.. so we're pretty worried spending that kind of money on a product with half baked 4K 120 support.

@@geiers6013 Agreed, this issue is a chip design flaw in the Sony X900H. If this is present on the TCL C825 like what some of the owners are suspecting, than it is a massive disappointment after all the hype for it. Why can't companies just truthfully advertise the features if it works as intended or not? If they can't support 4K 120 the legit way, they should have just leave this feature out entirely like what Xiao Mi has done for their Mi Q1 TV, though it has HDMI 2.1 ports and a 120hz panel they include a clear warning on all their advertisements that due to hardware limitations (they should be referring to the Mediatek SOC as well), the TV does not support 4K 120hz. I think Xiao Mi's approach is commendable.

@@damien8398 TVs are NO GOOD, worry if you want too, look somewhere else for a better product

lol...i see what you did there.

This reviews worse than a TCL TV would - LG should be kind of ashamed they let it out of the factory.

Did LG knee-cap itself to avoid cannibalizing its OLED line.

@@Aggrofool Yeah it's kinda crazy they are saying go out and buy a £1300-£1700 TV instead of this £6,000 TV as we gutted all the good features from this one. Isn't there a new LCD technology better than VGA used in Computer monitors - why are they not using that for TV's anyway ? What the heck were they thinking making TV's with some sort of Black Frame insertion and then remove all the options to control it ? Why remove the dark area controls that the OLEDS have when the large dimming array could do with similar fine tuning too. I can see this TV being VERY heavily discounted - I hope they didn't over produce it as they may need to have a rethink - this TV is like the Nano 70 of modern TV's Missing features and barely better than adequate for a single use case (watching TV). I mean seriously they have HDMI 2.1 & a proprietry in house chipset with all the features on it on last years LCD' and OLEDS and they release a new one and it looks like they spent all the processing on the dimming control (managed to mess that up anyway) and strip all the useful features out - and it's not like this is an introductory model this is the top spec one - it's really poor. It's like this is a training wheels TV where the try to learn how to control the dimming and see what they can remove without people noticing. OH and I wish Vincent would talk about the features of the TV - such as picture in picture & split image when they have that - as that is so darn useful and no one hardly ever mentions it (it's something some Samsung's have) and no one ever mentions it and it's so darn useful. Also some TV's have built in surround sound of sorts and you can add a sub woofer and rear speakers without a soundbar and that could save you £1000 and again no one ever mentions the TV can do that in reviews either a lot of the time. I would say how well something works with or doesn't work with surround sound out of the box is an important point - as not everyone is going to spend £3K on an amp and speakers if they only paid under $1,500 for the TV. Personally I'd just like the rear channel as it's handy to have for movies and FPS games - yet it's rarely mentioned by anyone - Maybe if vincent has not sent all his review samples back it's something he could make a comparison video on. especially when the out of the box sound is very hit and miss on a lot of models this year.

@@90lancaster what is that LCD technology?

@@dylanpresidafonseca2545 I don't know nothing to different just a proprietary evolution of VA panels I think configured for faster refresh rates & very high colour volume, while not loosing viewing angle. Same sort of thing - just a bit nicer than TV's seem to get right now. The word on the street is that a lot of computer monitors come 2022 will start to change over to OLED anyway - I guess it's just down to them wanting to progress the technology where as the TV makers seems to just want to make it mass producible and cheaper and don't care much about the quality. Perhaps that has something to do with the Monitor being a choice that is some what separate from the device played on it - unlike "Smart" TV's. But I just think the higher base refresh rate of these monitors is something useful on TV's too. if for no other reason a refresh rate of 340hz gets rid of a lot of the issues with flicker when using BFI for a start. Also it would be interesting to offer a higher refresh rate to PC Gamers who might think better than 120hz is nice to have too (in some situations). This might be very popular in Japan for example where they are having a boom in PC gaming lately.

Very weak number of zones. 😂😂😂

Most people will prefer brighter, inaccurate settings over an accurate picture... this doesn't make it correct since our goal is to strive for accuracy. LG hasn't purposely designed [Cinema Home] to be more competitive... it just so happens that a brighter, less accurate picture preset would steer the image away from low-light "trouble zone" due to IPS's shallower blacks.

I'm surprised how competitive the QNED 90 (4K) is compared to your latest video. If LG lowered the prices of their QNED ranges both 4K & 8K models and have consistent FW updates to iron out the issues addressed and it would be a decent buy. LG need to need to put more effort into their LED ranges like they certainly do with their OLEDs.

@@hdtvtest I agree. I was referring to the "home" naming being used to attract more home users, and defaulting to HDR tone mapping turned on in HDR and in DV "home" having a similar look with raised mid and low range.

@gunnyo50: As we explained at 20:15 in the video, why should LG make a better LED LCD which may cannibalise the sales of their OLEDs which have higher profit margins?

@@hdtvtest Ur argument kinda falls apart here. Why then is LG try to improve its LED lcd lineup with mini led higher number of local dimming zones and higher pricing.

It’s because the pixel response is so low. It’s 1ms. Led TVs have a much higher pixel response (20ms at times) that it produced a natural blur to 24fps movies on slow pans. It’s just how oleds are. I’ve had one for 6 years and would not want anything else, at least for now. It’s not really a stuttering you are seeing. You are seeing each individual frame because of the hold release style pixel response. Even my high end jvc projector can show this in slow moving pans. I don’t ever use any motion enhancing because that is not true to how the film was done. If you go to a movie theater and there is a slow pan it will show there as well. It’s just that most good photography directors don’t use those kind of shots because they know it doesn’t look pleasing and add a slight twist to the camera as it pans which can eliminate this issue.

It is tougher to get that smooth panning motion to work, because of the image retention that makes LCD panels, and OLED efficient. Plasma has a fast intensity and decay curve without a black frame insertion, because the black is near instant after the frame is displayed, the pixel image is off by default. With LCD, it’s on by default once the pixel is energised, but it can only ramp up and down to the intended brightness using quick refresh pulses to keep the image or discharge the image. Same with OLED, it needs time to reach the brightness and decay/return back to black to avoid heat retention causing subpixel decay/aging and fracturing. It takes extra time for a single pixel to pulse to full white or decay to full black, which is long enough to be visible after the frame has completed, leaving a blurry or semi-lit pixel behind or an afterimage/ghost. The trade off is typically brightness versus latency/speed, so you lose some brightness as the panel has to ramp down to black, then ramp back up to the proper colour, and it increases brightness slowly to avoid transition damage to the subpixel heating and/or cooling rapidly. It’s why there’s 240Hz and 360Hz PC monitors for gaming, despite the games not being able to get higher than 120fps, because the faster refresh removes the retention of the previous pixel, allowing for a smoother transition and clear, unblurred motion, even at 30-60Hz, but also 100Hz to 120Hz where the game is operating at (also human vision…) sic. The problem is also very evident with corridors and doorways, that leaves a residual blur, or the edge of a mouse cursor which has a black border and white pixels inside. So LCD/OLED has to fight the efficient image retention design when a black frame is inserted in order to replicate the older cathode ray / plasma screen that doesn’t retain the image. it may require a OLED panel with 500Hz+ or1000Hz to generate a smooth 24/25fps because the (very) high internal frequency allows for a smooth or fast transition to black after the frame is displayed, and, the frame rate increase will “tap” or pulse the sub pixels to increase the intensity of brightness when it operates at that higher frequency, but also to allow the heat dissipation to operate faster. This “lag” of white to black to white, or Grey to Grey, also affects QNED/QD and backlight systems because the backlight also needs time to drop back to black. The backlight update frequency can also determine if you see ghosting or motion blurring on QLED/QNED/MiniLED panels.

10 years with an oled? Good luck with that, my C9 had severe burn in after 2 years.

Me too. Especially with things like a flickering light from a fire reflecting on a wall, TV just doesn't know how to process it

@@tygobermind3640 I have over 5,100 hrs on my C9 with ASBL being off for all of it and my screen is perfect. I don't watch 24hr news or game, but it is our only TV in the house and gets used every single day.

Quantam dot oled

Samsung QD Oleds and Micro LED'S will be the next true upgrade

No thanks, I watch a lot regular TV and that means I'd get burn-in pretty much guaranteed.

@@vladdx My C9 had burn in after 2 years

Whatever you do don't compare it to anything else directly, it will bother the hell out of you.

@@tygobermind3640 Yeah I think I found my next TV in Huawei's Vision V75 MiniLED TV with 2880 zones and 3000 nits peak brightness.

i think maybe in a couple years smaller size tv's with an ultra thin copper vapor chamber like in smartphones could be feasible but i don't even really think something so extreme is necessary, IGZO OLED can already reach high enough peak brightness combine with TADF emitter material and quantum dot color filter array, that should be enough to beat even the best LCD tv's out there

Please note they U8G European Model is complete trash and not the same as the Superior USA model.

@@90lancaster Why they went IPS in Europe is beyond me...

How can you say this Panel is worse than VA? When did you see this TV in person? LOL Weird! I am an authority over your minute opinion about it as I owned and returned the QN90A VA Panel that was not as Contrasty as this TV witch has significantly more Dimming Zones and MiniLeds and LG's A9 Gen4 Processor chip. What chip does Samsung have?

​@@DontBeAWhoreAnymoreJesusIsHere How? Really? Because it is measurably worse, as in, the measured contrast on this TV by any metric is worse than any modern VA panel TV, it's peak perceived contrast ratio is around 1500/1 compared to even low end VA panels having a measured 2500/1 contrast ratio. You can like it all you want, and can defend your purchase for w/e reason. I'm glad you are happy with your purchase, but for anyone else, there are arguably better options that are significantly cheaper.

@@matilija Because one person on youtube measeured it that is what it is? Is that what LG Promotes on their site for the 8K miniled? NO!

No.

Sure, if you prioritise these features over contrast, the most important attribute of picture quality.

@@hdtvtest For DV compatible gaming and higher refresh 4K resolutions not crippled by the Mediatek chip a small hit to contrast seems okay to avoid HUD burning from OLED.. For critical viewing there always is LG OLED and babysitting or Sony Dolby vision HDTVs. Thanks for your awesome content. You are my go-to expert.

nevermind LOL

Take G1 or A90j .. if you like Android and Only Playes on PS5 use the A90J because its has the best Picture Quality

@@NormandyN7 I think they use google tv now, I do not care about gaming picture 1st and gaming second in my opinion, I heard the jz2000 is the brightest oled though.

@@Noble3781 Says who? Vincent already stated that the Sony A90J is the most impactful HDR OLED TV so far.

@@PSYCHOV3N0M Yeah if you watch his Jz2000 review which came out after, He says the JZ2000 is the brightest oled on a %10 windows and full field, That is why we need a comparison video

The QN95A is superior due to VA panel.

Pan

Brighter picture and no burn in… all in all oled allways should be the cheaper option because of the manufacturing cost!

Cause Oleds are so dark

Sorry, you are fooling yourself.

I thought the same when I bought a Neo Qled, but after a while you will find some always clouding. Not a dealbreaker, but if you don't notice any DSE please don't go searching for it because you will defenitely find it.

@@tygobermind3640 LOL, True, I will take you advice!

@@tygobermind3640 every Samsung has DSE and banding, It’s how they sign their name

@@cmpmeridian1 I've had banding on my previous tv (LG C9) as well.

No. The QNED99 will not be getting VRR at all. LG has confirmed this. However, its younger sibling, the QNED90, does have VRR.

no.

Find out on the next episode of DRAGON BALL Z..... 🐉

qned90 has a lot more gaming features, lower power consumption and better blooming control.

Not available in the UK.

Hisense Dual-Cell > Mini LED.

Anytime, QLED especially the latest nano series by Samsung.

Put your oled in your living room to see how it works when the room is lit up then go from there. And if the oled doesn't work the either qned or qled will work depending on the quality you want.

Neo Qled is really good. Only downside I had with it was a little bit of DSE. But black levels are very close to oled and with the settings you can find a decent balance between shadow detail / blooming. Also nice to never have to worry again about burn in.

I’m in a similar position and I’m thinking of taking the risking and going with tcl . My room might be bright but it might be able to handle oled so I’m still considering that too

@@chanh9220 Or wait on Philips 9506.

You get what you pay for. There's a reason the C series is recommended over the B series from LG.

Anything 50" and 85" are for sure VA, I think that's the qn85a. Its all over the place as a far as I could tell. The panels on Sony's X90j series are so leaky I thought they were IPS at first, they are not but its god awful compared to the x900h from last year.

its not the tvs fault you dont have 120hz on your xbox.. you should call Microsoft game devs and tell them to update their games to support 4k@ 120hz

not all games support 120hz..the TV works just fine

@@rochester3 He's reffering to Dolby Vision at 120hz not just 4k 120hz.

@@rochester3 There are already 4k120hz games with hdr. He is refering to 4k120hz dolby vision. The C1 and G1 allready got an update, but the cx, gx and bx still are waiting to get the update.

@@rochester3 you do realise 120 hz is not 120 fps...XBSX is capable of 120 hz with many games and halves input lag on 60 fps games