LGB Trains Reverse Loop Fail! (G-scale)

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I've been trying to figure out a reverse loop for my G-scale LGB trains for a while now. Reversed polarity prevents it from working w/o doing some wiring. I thought I found some tracks that could solve my problem... will I be defeated by two pieces of train tracks? Find out in another thrilling installment of Imagine Trains!
I bought the LGB 10151 Reverse Loop Track Set
track2.com/info/lgb-reverse-lo...
(Looking for something that doesn't require a lot of wiring or knowing anything about that, or having to buy a lot of additional expensive things.)
I have seen Jim Zim's reverse loop videos. Does that apply to me? I don't have anything digital. My understanding is the LGB track is supposed to do that w/o any additional wiring or parts..? But again, I have no idea what I'm doing. Wiring things really goes over my head. :-/

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@JERRYSAUTOS
@JERRYSAUTOS 3 жыл бұрын
1015k is your "entry" peice to the loop and 1015t is your "exit". There are arrows on the peices next to the numbers, that is direction of travel. You have to reverse the polarity when the train is in that loop. Also, move the peices a little further away from the turnout they may be to close
@rmedwards8312
@rmedwards8312 3 жыл бұрын
Bruno,I feel your pain,the reverse loop is like alchemy I wish I could help,my train group tells me to"get over it" I do however feel spoilt today having both seen this and divided both in 1 day 👌👏👏
@RichardWilliams-po9rq
@RichardWilliams-po9rq 3 жыл бұрын
`Richard Trains What you are trying to do is very simple If you have all the right parts. The item that you need is. (2) ea, 17100 Track contacts. one located in each loop you will also need at one loop is (2) ea 1015t. At the other loop you will need (1) ea 1015t and (1) ea 1015K, The other item you will need is (1) ea 12010 Switch Drive and (1)ea 12070 Supplementary switch. make sure you have some wire for you will need it. Plus a good transformer. All these parts numbers are LGB Items. If you know how to wire all this up It will operated the way you want it to All you will need to do is just turn on the transformer set back an watch it run. Did have some what of a lay out just like that except half way between the two loops I added several side switches within added a train station etc.then I could run two trains automatic. and the numbers are unlimited.If you should need some help email me and I will try to got you up and running. Good luck, 246manchu@gmail.com
@QualityModelRailroad
@QualityModelRailroad 3 жыл бұрын
This LGB solution was a old school method and easy for young kids to turn a train around (provided the sections are working , not broken!). Later the EPL system with 1701, 1700 contacts has a fully automated reverse loop but does require wiring. Jim Zimm had DCC only reverse loops which requires a digital system. You have analog trains, so the LGB EPL method is recommended.
@fordstarter813
@fordstarter813 3 жыл бұрын
this honestly makes me want to buy that kind of train tracks right now with that specific train engine so i could solve the problem for you
@Fuzzybunnybuttrailroad
@Fuzzybunnybuttrailroad Жыл бұрын
Is the opposite turnout polarity cuasing the issue. Turnouts hsve the switch track parts that move and touch the rail and have current going through them in one direction. Could the other side turnout be causing the issue. It looks like a short to me.
@kingnewcomer2029
@kingnewcomer2029 3 жыл бұрын
No idea what the issue is either, Bruno. I'm sure you'll figure it out though (eventually). :) Love the trains, and the tracks, by the way! You look real snazzy in that conductor's hat! ;)
@QualityModelRailroad
@QualityModelRailroad 3 жыл бұрын
You put the tracks in the way the diagram tells you, BUT this is a manual operated reverse loop. Once the train is in the section, you switch direction on the power pack ( reverse direction knob). IT IS ONLY MANUALLY done. But..the reason it may not work is maybe the diode in one section is bad?
@awjones16
@awjones16 3 жыл бұрын
@Imagine Trains, this right here. Treat it like the train arrives (for a super-fast stop) at a station while inside the reverse loop. Then turn the dial from one side to the other. If you do delay the turning of the dial it does seem to mess up.
@q80aziz
@q80aziz 3 жыл бұрын
The LGB kit is truly old school and things can be improved by going to DCC operation . I have a similar setup and at each loop there is a Lenz LK200 with only 4 wire connections plus track separations/ isolation on each end for both rails and it works fantastic . Getting into DCC does not mean spending a fortune as there are quite affordable command stations and decoders .
@RobSob2725
@RobSob2725 4 ай бұрын
It's saying you have to flip a direction button before the train exists the loop!...
@Steamtostay
@Steamtostay 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe provide the part number and instructions in the description so we know what you're dealing with? Also, do you have access to point motors, have you tried anticlockwise running, are the units symmetrical (i.e. what happens if you flip one of them 180deg), and do the terms insulfrog and electrofrog mean anything to you?
@rollrcostrfrk807
@rollrcostrfrk807 3 жыл бұрын
So I use the 1015k on my layout running DC. It looked like you were not fully reversing the throttle while the train is between the 1015t and 1015k. Once the train passes the 1015t switch the throttle into reverse. The train will still keep going forward. Leave the throttle in reverse. When it exits the k it should keep going forward and the reverse throttle direction is your new forward. If the train goes backwards when you switch to reverse while between the 1015t and 1015k then your 1015k is broken.
@b20mgb
@b20mgb 3 жыл бұрын
I had this on my last railroad. If I remember correctly, you need to ensure that the arrows on the track are facing the correct way of travel. Trains always need to enter the loop following these arrows. You need to stop the train within the loop and flip the direction on the controller. Sadly it is not entirely automatic - like I thought it was as well! Hope that helps!
@willmyler3728
@willmyler3728 3 жыл бұрын
did you get it yet? isolate track use plastic trk connectors
@willmyler3728
@willmyler3728 3 жыл бұрын
did u get it to work yet
@exveefan
@exveefan 3 жыл бұрын
It's really hard to tell, but what exactly are you doing with the controller? 1:00 - Why is the power connected inside the loop? It shouldn't be in there.
@DividedAsOne
@DividedAsOne 3 жыл бұрын
0:48 I moved that pretty quickly. The tracks didn't come with instructions but I found things online. My understanding is you have to change the direction of the controller when the train is in the loop, which actually worked once, but then not again...? If you don't change it, the train stops before it leaves the loop. But, mine won't go no matter what I do.
@exveefan
@exveefan 3 жыл бұрын
DividedAsOne When you say change direction on the controller. Do you actually keep it in the new direction position, or change it back. Because the video looks like you turn it, but then quickly turn it back to it's original position. I think you are suppose to run the train into the loop, lets say controller's speed is pointing left for this example. Then stop the train, Then turn the controller's speed to the right, and leave it there. Again, the video is jumping about way too fast to see the procedure you are doing.
@DividedAsOne
@DividedAsOne 3 жыл бұрын
@@exveefan I've tried it every way I can think of. Stopping the train, not stopping (which worked once, I turned the controller while it was in the loop and the train kept going, but it never did it again after that)
@War1109
@War1109 3 жыл бұрын
These are supposed to be used with DCC due to how instead of running with varying voltage the track power remains constant and it just sends commands to the engine
@imaginetrains
@imaginetrains 3 жыл бұрын
For sure? The main selling point for me was "no additional wiring required." I thought if you have DCC, then you need that additional module. Everything I can find about this set says you don't need anything else.... which maybe isn't correct...? But I've read that in several different places now.
@drewskiakg2719
@drewskiakg2719 Жыл бұрын
Nice video, but was wondering if you figured this out? I also have a electric rail g scale train setup and new to the hobby. Was also wondering how to do a reverse loop track. Thanks again.
@DividedAsOne
@DividedAsOne Жыл бұрын
Hey, sorry, no. 😕I ended up leaving it kinda like it is, but running a rail to and from, and removing the switch tracks. Then I bought a reverse-thingy kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n9KaobFzmrq6p30.html , so I can have a trolley go from one end and back to the other. That's somethin'! But for some reason what I'm trying to do seems needlessly difficult. I know it *can* be done... I've seen other people on KZfaq do it, but there always seems to be some issue for me either located the right things I need, or figuring out how to set it up...
@drewskiakg2719
@drewskiakg2719 Жыл бұрын
@@DividedAsOne I've seen a lot of ppl with g scale train also having reverse loops, but they're on a dcc system while I'm straight old style with electric rails and a single analog speed dial. Maybe there's someone out there that know how to do the reverse loop, but not complicated. Im buying some tracks off a guy who has a reverse loop system like yours, but he has extra parts to actually make it work. See what happens.
@nickschenk3842
@nickschenk3842 Жыл бұрын
@@drewskiakg2719 curious how that turned out?
@edo_dea2614
@edo_dea2614 3 жыл бұрын
1:28 Rules for terminal loops in track plans : - terminal loop traffic may only be operated in one predetermined direction
@imaginetrains
@imaginetrains 3 жыл бұрын
And that's fine. That's what I want. It's not working though. :-/
@rvmotionpictures
@rvmotionpictures Жыл бұрын
Were you able to ever get this working? I have the exact same issue!
@stefanleonardo9734
@stefanleonardo9734 4 ай бұрын
Use item 50950. It will help reverse polarity instantly. You also need track swith with loco magnets.
@stefanleonardo9734
@stefanleonardo9734 4 ай бұрын
The tracks you have are just isolated tracks, nothing else. You also need a signal relay. Item 50950 or equivalent.
@stefanleonardo9734
@stefanleonardo9734 4 ай бұрын
Don't forget loco megnets and track swithes. Item 17100.
@Gsgirl1
@Gsgirl1 3 жыл бұрын
Your train is like I think I can
@kendrawatkins8290
@kendrawatkins8290 2 жыл бұрын
there should be no power going to the loop section of the track. looks like you have connectors on the track
@5vidman
@5vidman 11 ай бұрын
Yes, according to the LGB Track guideline book.
@GeneralNukem
@GeneralNukem 3 жыл бұрын
Couple ideas. Probably me thinking crazy but. First try to do the train going the other way around the loop. Second try reversing the reverse loops around. Probably won't work but who knows.
@imaginetrains
@imaginetrains 3 жыл бұрын
I've tried everything I can think of. There's an arrow on one of the tracks. The train travels in that direction, and can only go one way. If I turn the train around, then it can only go in reverse, the same direction it was going when it was facing forward, if that makes sense. I've moved the transformer, tried various engines, moved the tracks around (putting A where B was and B where A was, as well has having them face different directions where they were). I don't know. The track is smarter than me. :(
@GeneralNukem
@GeneralNukem 3 жыл бұрын
@@imaginetrains Must be allied with that damn doorknob. Ninja steel it? 😆 Maybe a more powerful transformer might help?
@maurusluctum8886
@maurusluctum8886 2 жыл бұрын
I'm quite sure on of the reverser electronics parts is defective
@LGBSchmalspurbahner
@LGBSchmalspurbahner 3 жыл бұрын
You have to stop inside the loop and turn the power unit in the other direction so it will work
@imaginetrains
@imaginetrains 3 жыл бұрын
I did. I got it to work once or twice. And then it wouldn't do it anymore. I did a number of things the same way that had different results. I can't figure it out. I'm sure it's me, but also kinda wondering if one of the tracks is defective? I did get them used on eBay...? And then once it gets back to the straight track between the switches, sometimes it runs, sometimes it crawls. Something's weird!
@LGBSchmalspurbahner
@LGBSchmalspurbahner 3 жыл бұрын
@@imaginetrains then try to buy the other ones, the brown railroad crossing which I'm using. They works brilliant for sure
@michaeljacksonfanmade87
@michaeljacksonfanmade87 3 жыл бұрын
You need a Digital reversing Loop module
@imaginetrains
@imaginetrains 3 жыл бұрын
If it's this, it says DCC, which I don't have. The tracks I bought are supposed to do it w/o having additional things or wiring.... www.micromark.com/MRC-AUTO-REVERSE-LOOP-MODULE?gclid=Cj0KCQiAnb79BRDgARIsAOVbhRqvP0w-O4Ls_T-yOMf-H8qzfN5iJpOe274YkwyfMvmQZ5ikjuhDousaAsfiEALw_wcB
@evanf1293
@evanf1293 3 жыл бұрын
Ever thought trying a wye track for your layout than a loop?
@imaginetrains
@imaginetrains 3 жыл бұрын
I had to look that up... uhh... I'm not sure that's what I'm trying to do, or where that would even fit, if I'm looking at the right thing...?
@evanf1293
@evanf1293 3 жыл бұрын
@@imaginetrains if you look up what a wye track looks like its easy. Durango & Silverton and other tourist lines like it have wye track. Just put the wye track where the loop is instead. Maybe it might help
@imaginetrains
@imaginetrains 3 жыл бұрын
@@evanf1293 And it'll turn itself around w/o me doing anything? That seems like a very odd shape for that space, and it looks like a thing you'd need to manually do yourself... I just want to be able to turn the train on and have it do its thing...
@evanf1293
@evanf1293 3 жыл бұрын
@@imaginetrains this was the kind of wye I was meaning by Bruno. And please call me Evan. I've meet you & mia twice in 2018 and gave you those mini transformer figures.
@imaginetrains
@imaginetrains 3 жыл бұрын
@@evanf1293 Is this a different user name you're on? And I don't usually call people by name when responding to comments... unless there's a specific reason to use a name.
@willmyler3728
@willmyler3728 3 жыл бұрын
u need to isolate the loop with plastic rail connectors
@RichardWilliams-po9rq
@RichardWilliams-po9rq 3 жыл бұрын
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@michaeljacksonfanmade87
@michaeljacksonfanmade87 3 жыл бұрын
Watch Jim Zimmermans video on reversing loops
@imaginetrains
@imaginetrains 3 жыл бұрын
I just watched one of his videos again. Looks like he's got the very same tracks I have. I don't know anything about digital. Looks like he has some extra wired thing but it's for digital...
@QualityModelRailroad
@QualityModelRailroad 3 жыл бұрын
@@imaginetrains no , Jim Zimm DOES NOT have the same tracks. The Reverse loop sections have Diodes (K) TRACKS. Jim Zimm is only using cut sections, 1015. These sections simply separate the rails like a set of plastic rail joiners.. His setup is DCC you will fry your trains hooking up a Digital reverse loop to analog DC.
@willmyler3728
@willmyler3728 3 жыл бұрын
right on
@erikholmysti
@erikholmysti 3 жыл бұрын
And the thing is Moochie probably knew exactly what your doing wrong. But cat instincts demand you be ignored
@imaginetrains
@imaginetrains 3 жыл бұрын
Oh she knows. She just doesn't want to help. I'll remember that when it's 9pm!
@edo_dea2614
@edo_dea2614 3 жыл бұрын
i think those pieces have polarity and you didn't putted in the right way.
@imaginetrains
@imaginetrains 3 жыл бұрын
Installed correctly. I know about the polarity.
@thunderrobots1980s
@thunderrobots1980s 3 жыл бұрын
maybe its as simple as you have to have the seconded loop set up before it will work
@imaginetrains
@imaginetrains 3 жыл бұрын
Did that. :-/ I'm missin' somethin', but I've done everything I can think of..
@thunderrobots1980s
@thunderrobots1980s 3 жыл бұрын
@@imaginetrains is there a positive and negative on the special track parts? cause maybe they all have to face a certain way on both loop ends
@jvcastillo7646
@jvcastillo7646 2 жыл бұрын
Let’s go Brandon
@imaginetrains
@imaginetrains 2 жыл бұрын
Eh? I'm Bruno...
@michaeljacksonfanmade87
@michaeljacksonfanmade87 2 жыл бұрын
@@imaginetrains why is everyone calling you Brandon 😂
@imaginetrains
@imaginetrains 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaeljacksonfanmade87 I don't get it either. 😕
@zacharymessner6157
@zacharymessner6157 2 жыл бұрын
Let’s Go Brandon Reverse Loop?
@imaginetrains
@imaginetrains 2 жыл бұрын
My name is Bruno... and a circle was too much trouble for me. Writing out a sentence in train tracks probably isn't for me.
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