We've done a few videos on this vehicle, and we plan a few more!

Thanks for watching. There's still a lot to cover on this vehicle, so we'll have more! I'm looking forward to spending a little more time with the vehicle too!

@@BrantfordKia I've been doing some research, and I can't seem to find the answers to some questions. I consider you the resident Kia expert in Canada - so I'm taking a shot at posing this to you. Do you know why the towing capacity of the PHEV Sorento is lower than the regular Sorento? And if it's related to the hybrid mode, is there not a way to force the Sorento into gas-mode? I just put a hitch on, and I'm curious as to what mode I should be towing in. I sometimes wish the modes were a little easier to understand. Maybe I'll re-watch a few of your videos to get a better sense of the different modes. Thanks again for all your videos, we appreciate them.

@@lakeshorehearts My understanding of why the towing capacity is lower is because of the added weight of the PHEV. There is also the fact that the engine is not the same engine as the other vehicles, and being just a 1.6 litre turbo, they may not want to push it too much. At the end of the day, they make decisions on these things for a variety of reasons, and we don't get told why. Lastly the mode to tow in would be the NORMAL mode, but the Sport mode could be used to hold the revs higher and keep you in the powerband, so it may be useful on hills or other situations where you want power.

Yeah, this is a great vehicle. I'm super impressed with it.

My dealer said we can’t order them! Maybe I should call someone else?

Yeah, I think the PHEV is the one to go for if you can afford it. I think you'll love this as an upgrade from your Volt. Not only is the efficiency great, but you're going to gain a lot of space and technology. Thanks for watching!

@@kathleenamumford220 I didn’t order it I just reserved it as the dealer saw they were expected to be delivered. The dealer in Washington state where I’m at are getting delivery as we speak. Call several dealers in your area and ask what is due in an when.

The only Highway Drive Assist available right now is the first version. The second version should debut in the Ioniq 5 and EV6. There is also a difference between Lane Keeping Assist and Lane Follow Assist. Both Kia and Hyundai share this technology, so there shouldn't be a difference between brands. The Lane Follow Assist is the "more aggressive" system, but I think a more accurate description would be "more precise" as it works to hold you in the centre of the lane.

Thanks for watching! This was a fun one to do, and there's so much more there to dig into.

Nice!! Yeah, there is a lot more to talk about with this vehicle!

Could you please share with us if you have driven it for long distances like 200-300kms and how much Milage Phev gives you over the long distance.

@@irfan6309 We haven't done that here at Brantford Kia yet, maybe some of our viewers have.

On 2000km trip it was 9-10 l/100km.. speed 130km/h, roofbox, car full of people.. History: From 0-2000km it was 3,6l/100km.. trips around town Than the trip 2000km and average goes to 5,9l/100km Now, after 5000km from new is average consumption 4,9l/1000km But winter is comming and cabin heating by ICE is not very good for consumption.. AC could be powered from battery, but heating not Full battery + full tank is more than 650km range

@@cetanpo hiya! Just curious how it went during the winter months? We just put an order in for the 2023 EX+ phev and are up in sudbury

Yeah, if I could ever get both vehicles on the lot at the same time (2021 is a strange year!!) I'll do a video side by side as soon as I'm able!

Haha! Thanks for watching, I appreciate it. If you want to advocate for other people to pay me, I'm cool with it! :)

Great question with a bit of a complicated answer. I'm going to do a video this week to tackle some of the commonly asked questions and also to clear up some ways that fuel efficiency numbers can be misleading. It's easier if you look for that video, as there are some nuances to the answers.

about 970 kms per tank with battery fully charged.

I'm just waiting to hear OFFICIAL times... I can guess, but give me a little bit of time and I'll quote you official times.

@@BrantfordKia That would be great! Thank you!!!

You make a great point, it DOES seem like a lot to learn, but the reality is your gasoline car is pretty complicated too. In that car, you get in, start it up and drive. In this car, you get in, start it up and drive, but in this case, you're going to save a lot of fuel. The only thing to learn is that when you get home, you probably want to plug it in to save a whole lot more fuel. While it CAN be intimidating, you don't have to understand HOW it works to appreciate THAT it works.

The Smart Mode allows the use of the gas pedal to move it out of ECO into normal or sport modes, where the ECO mode will do it's best to resist downshifts, and give a dull pedal feel to make sure that it doesn't rev more than necessary (unless you floor it etc) Some people find the eco mode to be difficult to get used to, especially if you're a lead foot.

Thanks for sharing! Our online audience seems to largely favour the new logo.

Yeah, I'm going to make a short video about these soon. They're SO good for SO many people, but we just need to understand them.

US dealer told me 4-6 months.

Lucky ones. In Poland min 10 months of waiting...

I hope I get it by January

I don't know how long it will take to get one, but most people are just guessing until they have a VIN number. I do think, for those who understand what this vehicle is, it will be worth the wait! I was really impressed by this vehicle.

I ordered in the beginning of April. So far nobody knows when it is going to be produced...

If you move up to the SX model, you can get Navy Blue leather, or Light Grey leather.

Yeah, that 2.5 turbo is FAST. The PHEV in this video isn't as fast, but it's still very strong.

Yes, the PHEV Mileage figures are not fully representative. So I'm going to make a video on that and more this week. It will be a shorter, video than this where I talk about a lot of the common questions. You'll still get exceptional mileage, but it won't be 2000 kms... (ok, so it could be more than that... boy things sure are complicated!!) I'll put it all in context soon. Look for that video this week!

With the middle row seat fully forward (which is still enough to fit me behind myself driving, you would have about 46 inches of length between the seat and the tailgate.

As a class, hybrid vehicles tend to do better than traditional vehicles when it comes to overall reliability. The batteries are designed to last the life of the car, and are rarely in need of replacement, while the engine is spared from working in its toughest conditions (under hard acceleration, the electric motors help out, etc) so I would expect excellent reliability from these vehicles.

Yes! I haven't seen that vehicle yet, but when it arrives, I'll review it in detail as well.

We just finished the LIVE tech video now, and we'll do another shorter video within the next day or two talking about some of the frequently asked questions, and other mileage mysteries etc. Look for that soon!

@@BrantfordKia I look forward to checking that out tonight as I was on for just a few seconds today...just long enough to ask the question...can you confirm if the SX PHEV has 6 speakers as it states on the website or if it has the 12 that the normal non PHEV SX has? Thanks in advance! Thanks for all your help and great videos Peter they are appreciated.

Ah. That's a great idea. I'll do a short video on that soon. If you plug into the regular wall socket, it's SUPER simple. Plug the charger into the 3 prong outlet just like you'd plug in a toaster, and then the other end of the cord plugs into the charge port which is very simple. It only goes in one way, and it has a solid click.

@@BrantfordKia how long would it take to charge to full capacity from a normal household socket?

@@jamesplamondon2984 I actually don't have that information yet. I have my guesses, but if you just give me a little more time, I'll be able to give you the accurate number when they give it to me.

I see there is a Sportage PHEV, are you coming out with a Seltos PHEV as well?

@@jamesplamondon2984 There aren't any plans for a Seltos PHEV yet. I do expect a Sportage PHEV, by the middle of next year. The Seltos will likely have to go through a generational change before a PHEV is capable of being added to that platform.

Yeah this is a vehicle that SHOULD interest a lot of people. It's a perfect vehicle for so many people.

I still have to spend more time with this car. The A/C doesn't tend to be a huge draw when it comes to affecting mileage on EV's, but an elevated fan speed can definitely change that. I expect that on this car, the engine may run if it needs that elevated fan speed. I also expect remote starting to "potentially" run the engine, so always remote start it outside, and not in a closed garage. I need to spend a lot more time with this vehicle to be able to give more specific answers.

The Battery is designed to last the life of the vehicle. The hybrid related components are actually warrantied longer than the rest of the vehicle.

Kia recommends staying with the same intervals as a gasoline car. The details are in the owner's manual.

If it has an 8" screen, it does. If it has a 10.25" screen, it does not.

These are the wheels for the PHEV, so there are no black wheels at this point. There is a lot of piano black on parts of the bumper etc, but there seems to be less piano black around the wheel wells.

The Grand Cherokee is more of a Telluride comparison, it's got a 5000 lb tow capacity. The reality is that the Sorento should be rated for 3500 lbs. 5000 was a LOT for the previous generation V6, and to be honest, if you were towing a big boat around town, it was fine, but a big RV across the country wasn't the best with the old Sorento. 3500 makes sense for this size of vehicle, but yes, the tow rating is likely lower because of a couple of things. The added weight definitely plays a factor, but also the fact that the actual gasoline engine is just a 1.6 litre turbo engine. That's exceptionally good towing capacity when you look at it that way.

It is!!

There is a driveshaft. This is not a purely EV rear system. I really like the way our AWD system works, it's great in poor weather.

Perfect. Thanks for letting me know!

Good question. The PHEV has a 101H tire, but I don't have the exact same size tire on our in-stock Sorento's to compare. I'll have to dig into things.

@@BrantfordKia follow up Q: what size of tires will the PHEV be fitted with?

What I would choose shouldn't influence you. I'm far more concerned in making sure that YOU choose the right vehicle for you, instead of you choosing the right vehicle for ME. I think they're both different, and if you can, you should definitely drive both. I've driven our PHEV with no issues on purely electric power around town, on country highways, and on multi-lane high speed highways, so if it was turning on for someone, it wasn't because of the speed, it was because of something else. To be fair, if you give it a LOT of gas pedal, the gasoline engine will turn on, but I was able to get on the highway and drive, without an issue, without using gasoline power. Which one is best for you? It will depend on if you need towing capacity, a larger vehicle that seats up to 8 people? Those are two solid reasons to choose the Telluride. For a lot of people the Sorento PHEV is a zero compromise alternative to a gasoline SUV.

If you mean the X-Line, no, that's not true. They have the same system.

Honestly, I haven't checked the specs, but I'm 99.99999% sure that it does.

I believe that is Gravity Grey. I own a car in the same colour.

When you say turbos usually "go" around that mileage, I don't agree with that. At this point, our hybrid and PHEV Sorentos have the turbo. A Kia Niro could be an alternative for you.

I would love to, but we film in Canada, and that vehicle isn't sold here.

Sure! But you would only get that plugged in range for the first 51 or so kilometres. It's my opinion that the PHEV's are actually better hybrids than the regular hybrid, so It think this would work great!

This is Gravity Grey. The Sorento is made in the U.S. but the PHEV Sorento is made in Korea.

Right now, there is a $2500 federal rebate. There may also be provincial rebates that apply depending on where you live.

Oooh... good question. I don't think so, but our future EV's will have a feature like that.

@@BrantfordKia oh man, could you test it out? This would be a deal breaker for me, and that would be really disappointing as I've been waiting for a vehicle like this for years.

@@PascalSchoenhardt I'll look into it, but don't expect it. That would be significant new feature, it's not something that they would bury in a spec sheet. I haven't seen anything about it in my first glance over the information that I have.

@@BrantfordKia thank you!

@@BrantfordKia Follow-up question to this: I just saw in the manual that the PHEV has a feature called "Aux. Battery Saver+". If I understood the description correctly, it will top up the 12v battery from the traction battery whenever its charge falls below some level. Is that accurate? If so, I could simply run a refrigerator directly from the 12v battery, and the car will keep topping it up as needed.

Oooh, that's a tough one. I don't know anyone down there, so let's assume that your local Kia dealer is an awesome one until they prove themselves not to be?? :)

The SX models have Heads Up Display.

Not on the Sorento PHEV. The Santa Fe PHEV sounds like it may be best for you.

Wait... you hate math, so I have to do it for you? I can't always do math when I'm live on the internet, but Google is our friend! As far as the Telluride being available as a PHEV, I would assume that we're waiting for the next generation to arrive before that happens. I'm not sure if the current generation is adaptable to work with a somewhat electrified platform. The original concept was introduced as a vehicle that could be electrified, but I'm not sure if that philosophy carried on to the actual production vehicle.

@@BrantfordKia I hear "next generation " alot, when do cars go into the next generation? How many years?

@@bengals098558 This is a generalization... but usually, a model lasts about 5 years with the middle year being a "refresh" which usually means that plastic bumpers and lights are redesigned, and the safety and technology is updated. The next generation would be an ALL NEW model, and yes, I probably over-use that term, but it's accurate for what I'm describing.

The heat is designed to use the engine, so not all that long. This isn't a direct competitor to an EV. Our EV's work a little differently, and the next generation of EV's which we'll learn a LOT more about this month will have a lot of interesting features. If you're a Tesla fan, (as I am) I think you'll be interested in the Ioniq 5 and EV6. You may or may not like them better than a Tesla, but I think you'll find them interesting.

@@BrantfordKia Thank you! I am a Tesla fan but an even bigger fan of Kia and Hyundai. Just trying to find the best car in the category, and the Sorento certainly seems like it in the 3-row compact SUV segment. Ignoring the issue around heating, would it be possible to find out what the 'idle time' on the battery would be? If I left the car operating only the electrics and AC while sitting inside it, how long until the battery runs out of juice and turns on the engine to recharge? Also - absolutely love your videos. Kia and Hyundai need to take a page out of your playbook. It'll make their content more helpful and will probably save them a ton of marketing budget!

@@budaruda_ Haha! Thanks for your kind words. I actually don't have a spec for what you're asking about, we'd have to do a real world test. Honestly, without the heat, I think it would go a long time, but things like the fan, and radio run directly off the 12 volt battery, so the real question is how much (if any) does the larger battery charge the 12 volt battery. I'm not sure if the 12 volt battery charges without the engine running (I would think it does, but I don't know) so I'll try to look into things and learn what I can. To be fair, I still have a lot to learn about these new PHEVs.

It won't be wireless on the 10.25 inch screen, but it will be on the 8" screen. I've submitted questions to Kia Canada to see if the 10.25 inch screen will ever be updated to handle this tech, but as of now, if you buy the 10.25 inch screen, you need to be prepared for it to be wired only for your entire ownership experience.

You’ve probably figured it out by now, but Hybrid forces the engine on most of the time. It minimally uses battery capacity. Auto somehow determines when to engage Hybrid. It probably uses up all EV and then switches to Hybrid mode.

No, we can't. Sorry.

Nice! I'll have to check the specs, we get that on our gasoline top-of-the-line Sorento, so I expect that the same will be true for the PHEV.

If you like the Volt, this is, at the very least, worth a test drive! This car is seriously impressive!

In our house, we own both now! Just traded wife’s ‘17 Sorento for the PHEV. The new Sorento plug in has everything! Still figuring it all out, but a 500 mile road trip helped in that process (got ~35mpg)

@@GenesGreenMachine Thanks for sharing your experiences!!

I don't know how to measure off-roading advantages in percentages, but we do have two drive modes that you don't have. They're called terrain modes here, and they are Mud and Sand modes. They optimize many vehicle settings for those conditions. Does that make it better? That's for you to decide if it makes a difference to you. You still have the Snow mode, so if you're concerned about driving in the snow, you have the exact same settings.

@@BrantfordKia Thanks for the reply! I tried to place comments in the tech review b/c you went into it more there, but for some reason my comments aren't going through. so on the US version, i see, ECO, SMART, SPORT, SNOW.. and "LOCK" in the center of the control knob. Does this mean we can still lock the center differential? Finally, have you ever sold to a US based customer and exported the vehicle to the US? Can't stand that certain countries get certain capabilities.

@@Tay-ky3fi Yes, the LOCK essentially locks all 4 wheels into spinning the exact same rotations. There are exceptions though. If you go faster than about 30 or 40 km/h it unlocks, and if you turn the wheel sharp, it can also unlock to avoid driveline wear. And we can't sell a Canadian vehicle to a U.S. resident. It's against our franchise rules.

@@BrantfordKia Gotchya! Well the center lock will be fine for my purposes. I went ahead and ordered one nearby. Do you know if KIA allows for a dealership to install a lift kit? I found a company that sells lift kits for the Sorento (part #305029 from truxxx website). The idea would be to lift it a bit, and throw on 18" wheels with some aggressive tires. Such as the KUMHO 2230733 - ROAD VENTURE AT51 (265/60R18 T). What are your thoughts? would this definitely void the warranty?

@@Tay-ky3fi I think that kit sounds cool! For the most part, my understanding is that the warranty won't be voided unless you have a problem that could be caused by the accessories. A local dealer should be willing to install things. I'm sure we would.

Not in the US, at least.

It looks like it's a 6 passenger vehicle only at launch. The Hyundai Santa Fe hybrid may be different when it comes out, and it's always possible that Kia re-examines things in a model year or two.

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It looks like it will take around 7 hours on the level one charger (the regular household plug) we'll have more on that when we did into things in our next video. Also, I just took it for a 37 minute drive and it returned 2.6 l/100km

@@BrantfordKia was that on hybrid or pure electric?

@@raptorjdrc I was mixing things up, but no doubt it was mostly electric.

@@BrantfordKia Thanks for the update. I see 2.6L/100kms being consistent with the 79 MPGe/100miles. That would apply until the battery depletes to its minimum level needed for hybrid driving. The Tucson PHEV is listed as 6.3-6.6L/100kms strictly on gas (hybrid mode). This car would be slightly more based on the size.

@@stefankarpuzov that sounds like a reasonable statement to me. I think the point is, even without plugging in, you're going to get excellent mileage, but if you do plug in, you're going to be capable of astounding mileage!

Not for this model year. There is a Santa Fe PHEV coming out soon. I'll have that vehicle in our studio this month, so stay tuned to see if that's a good fit for you.

I don't think we'll see an EV on this platform, but I fully expect a Sorento sized EV on the E-GMP platform (that's the new EV specific platform that is highly modular and will be the basis for the EV6 that's coming out soon)

That doesn't happen at Brantford Kia.

We should have the Santa Fe PHEV here in the next month. So you'll be able to make your own decisions soon!

The Santa FE PHEV only comes in 2 trim levels, Preferred and Luxury. The Luxury trim looks equivalent to the EX+. It is also priced similar. There appears to be no SX equivalent Santa Fe PHEV trim. I am hoping that for 2023, there is a Santa Fe Calligraphy PHEV option, which based on the price of the current gas Calligraphy, I expect would come in at $55K, matching the SX PHEV and similar options.

@@jlsteeves8463 I'll have more information on the PHEV Santa Fe soon. The pricing is a tough one though. In Canada there is a government incentive for PHEV's that have a model starting under $45,000 and not exceeding $55,000. So there is a reason that these are priced like they are. It's a decision to hit these price points, and in the case of the EX model for Kia, it's clearly priced at that level because of that incentive. So seeing a Calligraphy at a certain price point would involve a complete different company (Kia Canada and Hyundai Canada are separate companies) having to make decisions about price points based on a number of factors.

I can't speak for the U.S. but in Canada there is a government incentive that plays a part, and this EX+ model ends up being not that far off an SX Gasoline model, so you give up VERY few features, while gaining exceptional mileage, and in that case, I think this vehicle will make a LOT of sense for a LOT of people!

We live in Canada, so this is an EX+ in Canada. Second from the top.

@@BrantfordKia cool good to know. I'm here in Southern California and this dealership I'm at right now told me they only come with SX and SX prestige. It's very weird that either two do not come with moonroof 🤷. I mean for the 50k up price range should at least come with it right?

@@KitPogi Sure? I don't make these decisions. If I did, every customer would be happy, and I'd have probably run the business into the ground!

@@BrantfordKia I'm just saying, since the trim you're showing the EX plus is legit awesome trim that cost less than the prestige. Well of course after all fees and taxes it'll be around 56k or more.

This will not have that. EV's have that, but PHEV's are exceptional at coasting, so it's a different driving experience.

You can test drive one at Brantford Kia, and to answer your first question, we're selling as many, or more vehicles than we always have, but nearly EVERYTHING is order only right now. It's not just Kia. The global chip shortage, supply chain issues throughout the industry, and the overall popularity of our vehicles has made it very difficult to stock cars right now. We end up selling just about everything that we're getting before it even arrives. I don't thin you can fault Kia for it, the dealers are happy that they're "hyping" vehicles because people are buying them in big numbers from our stores.

That could be. You have that on some of your gasoline models, and we don't have that, but we get it on the PHEV.

@@BrantfordKia I don't think the gas models get it either

@@xirozar I believe that I was told the SX has it, but I could be mistaken.

Haha! Here I am hitting the stereotypes! I do my best!

PTC heater!! It looks like the hybrid has one, but I don't believe the PHEV does. We'll talk more about this in a future video.

That's an interesting one. In theory, I think I agree with you, but there are a few things to consider. Adding a PHEV to a vehicle increases the purchase price, and in the Santa Cruz, the extra weight could take away from payload capacity, and towing capacity. On that vehicle, those things might matter more than to the average SUV buyer. So you'd be paying more for a vehicle that gets better mileage, but may have less capability. I hope they bring it out, but it will be interesting to see if the market is "truly" interested in that. If it was just more money, it would be a no-brainer, but the potential loss of capability is the big question mark.

You make a great point, it would be nice if we made shorter videos, and had more on the road videos. The reality is that millions of channels are already doing that, and we've found a niche in doing what we do. In short, this works for us, and we recognize that they aren't for everyone. There are MANY things that we need to improve, but doing a 3 to 8-minute video saying the exact same thing as every other 3 to 8-minute video isn't something that is going to spell success for us. We're not for everyone, and we know that. I appreciate you giving us a try.

How much is it going for when I was looking into the 2021 they were charging 9,000 extra

This is going to surprise a lot of Tesla fans, but there are people who will prefer this over a Tesla. Also, we sell Used Teslas here, and any Tesla in this price range probably isn't the car that you think it is. I like Tesla's too, but there are a lot of reasons to consider alternatives.

@@bbycakes5150 We don't charge over MSRP.

Tesla doesn't have a comparable vehicle at this price point.

@@PascalSchoenhardt Exactly.