LIVE Japanese Pronunciation & Pitch-accent Lecture!

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Pronunciation & pitch-accent video series here! / dogen
Covering at least one pronunciation tip for each row of the Japanese alphabet, as well as a handful of good-to-know pitch-accent tips! Feel free to ask questions as we go!
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Chapter markers
0:00:00 Stream begins / Intro
0:03:14 う (u) sound
0:06:47 かきくけこ (k-) sounds
0:12:52 Nasalized G sound
0:16:09 し sound
0:18:14 たちつてと (t-) sounds
0:21:51 Q: Are Japanese sounds more aspirated?
0:27:40 Q: I feel like I can't remember words and grammar points
0:31:04 なにぬねの (n-) sounds
0:33:36 Q: I feel like I'm practicing a lot but not making a lot of practice
0:36:31 ふ sound
0:40:19 まみむめも (m-) sounds
0:40:57 やゆよ sounds
0:43:55 らりるれろ (r-) sounds
0:51:52 を (wo) sound
0:54:55 ん (n) sound
1:02:02 Pitch-accent - why study it?
1:03:49 Beginner pitch accent test
1:09:22 Q: Why is there a slight pitch drop at end of heiban words
1:12:15 Q: Why is pitch missing for 日本 in the Apple dictionary?
1:12:36 'I have to look up every words pitch accent!?' - pitch accent patterns start
1:13:33 The -3 rule / typical noun loan word pitch
1:16:44 Q: How do I train my 'r' sounds?
1:17:49 The -3 rule continued
1:21:42 Q: Do ん and っ count as Mora? - Mora that break the rule
1:24:24 The 2 types of verbs
1:29:25 Verbs that don't fit this rule
1:32:47 'How can I tell which type of verb it is?' - common verb pitch patterns
1:33:20 Pitch-accent of verbs ending in つ
1:35:27 Pitch-accent of verbs ending in ぶ
1:37:51 Exceptions to the ぶ rule
1:41:11 You don't have to look pitch accent for every word
1:42:43 How do I internalize these pitch accent rules?
1:43:34 Books and other resources for learning pitch-accent rules
1:51:02 Q: What is the best way to look up the pitch accent of a word?
1:52:53 Q: How do I prevent burnout when learning Japanese?
1:58:49 Q: Why learn pitch accent if different dialects have different pitch accents?
2:02:04 じ vs ぢ and ず vs づ
2:04:49 Are どう, ドー and どお all pronounced the same?
2:08:01 Q: How do I pronounce はんらん?
2:08:54 Q: Is えい always pronounced as ええ?
2:11:12 Q: How early should I study pitch accent?
2:13:23 Japanese "R" vs English D
2:15:15 Q: Does the Patreon include comparisons between English and Japanese sounds?
2:16:29 Q: What tips do you have for improving my Japanese quickly?
2:17:14 Q: How much of pitch accent is arbitrary vs how much of pitch accent follows rules
2:19:59 Q: Is speaking Japanese with correct pitch accent important to Japanese people?
2:25:42 Q: Do I need to know much grammar to follow along with the Patreon?
2:27:19 Some info about Patreon
2:28:29 End of stream
LIVE Japanese Pronunciation & Pitch-accent Lecture! / Japanese pronunciation & pitch-accent / Dōgen / 日本語 / 日本語の発音 / 日本語のアクセント

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@nickm3694 Жыл бұрын

0:04:25 う (u) sound 0:07:58 かきくけこ (k-) sounds 0:14:03 nasalized G sound 0:17:20 し sound 0:19:25 たちつてと (t-) sounds 0:23:02 "Are Japanese sounds more aspirated?" 0:28:51 "I feel like I can't remember words and grammar points" 0:32:15 なにぬねの (n-) sounds 0:34:47 "I feel like I'm practicing a lot but not making a lot of practice" 0:37:42 ふ sound 0:41:30 まみむめも (m-) sounds 0:42:08 やゆよ sounds 0:45:06 らりるれろ (r-) sounds 0:53:03 を (wo) sound 0:56:06 ん (n) sound 1:03:13 pitch accent start - why study it? 1:05:00 beginner pitch accent test 1:10:33 "why is there a slight pitch drop at end of heiban words" 1:13:26 "why is pitch missing for 日本 in the apple dictionary?" 1:13:47 'I have to look up every words pitch accent!?' - pitch accent patterns start 1:14:44 The -3 rule / typical noun loan word pitch 1:17:55 "How do I train my 'r' sounds" 1:19:00 The -3 rule continued 1:22:53 "Do ん and っ count as Mora?" - Mora that break the rule 1:25:35 The 2 types of verbs 1:30:36 verbs that don't fit this rule 1:33:58 'How can I tell which type of verb it is?' - common verb pitch patterns 1:34:31 pitch accent of verbs ending in つ 1:36:38 pitch accent of verbs ending in ぶ 1:39:02 exceptions to the ぶ rule 1:42:22 As you can see, you don't have to look up the pitch accent of every word 1:43:54 "How do I internalize these pitch accent rules?" 1:44:45 "Are there any recommended books to learn these rules?" and other resources for learning pitch rules 1:52:13 "What is the best way to look up the pitch accent of a word?" 1:54:04 "How do I prevent burnout when learning Japanese?" 2:00:00 "Why learn pitch accent if different dialects have different pitch accents?" 2:03:15 じ vs ぢ and ず vs づ 2:06:00 "Are どう, ドー and どお all pronounced the same?" 2:09:12 "How do I pronounce はんらん?" 2:10:05 "Is えい always pronounced as ええ" 2:12:23 "How early should I study pitch accent?" 2:14:34 Japanese "R" vs English D 2:16:26 "Does the Patreon include comparisons between English and Japanese sounds?" 2:17:40 "What tips do you have for improving my Japanese quickly?" 2:18:25 How much of pitch accent is arbitrary vs how much of pitch accent follows rules 2:21:10 "Is speaking Japanese with correct pitch accent important to Japanese people?" 2:26:53 "Do I need to know much grammar to follow along with the Patreon?" 2:28:30 Some info about Patreon 2:29:40 end of stream

@Dogen Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Nick!

@OrangeC7 Жыл бұрын

It's always great when someone volunteers to be timestamp guy, ありがとうございます

@goldthunderx Жыл бұрын

This was such a great stream! I loved how interactive it was! Finally got some of my questions answered as well. Would love to see more of these in the future!

@nagiii159 Жыл бұрын

pitch accent stuff is always great but i think there's also a massive lack of content comprising the proper pronunciation of japanese vowels and consonants so this was a facinating watch to me

@user-et8du7ec3x 6 ай бұрын

I came to see it after being introduced to it by an Australian friend who speaks good Japanese. I've only watched it for about 5 minutes so far, but I've made a lot of interesting discoveries and it's fun! (translated from Japanese！)

@nemuitanuki Жыл бұрын

This was a game changer to me. Thank you for all the information.

@Trynottoblink Жыл бұрын

You’re a lifesaver for this, thank you.

@nyatto Жыл бұрын

Great stream, thanks Dogen! It helped me become aware of some phonology and pitch accent rules I was applying unconsciously, and also helped me correct mistakes I didn't realize I was making :)

@retrohipster1060 Жыл бұрын

Good your new home is so beautiful Dogen. The audio in the new studio is perfect.

@gandalf1783 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, free learning advice! Thank you!

@GoldeeSuperKamichu Жыл бұрын

素晴らしい。

@Iscream4j0y Жыл бұрын

Lately I've been using IPtv on VLC to watch an hour or so of Japanese television a night to try and practice listening and recognition, and trying to understand and pick up sayings / new words, it's been pretty fun, and allows me to work on my active listening in a more random environment, it's been very fun to actually recognize a full sentence and get to actually appreciate the wording of a phrase

@WatashiWannabe Жыл бұрын

Been listening to/watching this while at work...getting back into learning Japanese after perhaps too long of a break. This is a lot of great info here. And thank you for reinforcing the concept of taking regular breaks at about the 1:55:00 mark...I try to force myself to work through burnout phases, knowing that it's often counterproductive, but I have this problem where I feel like resting is wasting time...and then it ends up in a long break because I lose focus.

@xydez Жыл бұрын

Missed the stream but really enjoyable to watch, would love to see more of the longer content

@MacTaipan 5 ай бұрын

I‘m surprised to see so few Japanese learning resources even highlight pitch accents. I understand that it’s advanced stuff, but I still think it would be good to have the option to learn it correctly right from the beginning. To me it makes much more sense then trying to correct a bad pronunciation afterwards.

@khelian613 Жыл бұрын

I finally took the time to listen to all that while working, I really loved it, very glad to see you spontaneously explore all that interesting stuff. I was wondering though, have you ever tried learning more languages than Japanese? I feel like you could benefit from adding to your frame of reference when comparing sounds between languages - (welp, you kinda often show that English is particularly different to it when it comes to phonetics, I'd say, compared to even many european languages, so you coming from a farther point might actually be beneficial to everybody by encompassing more possible "corrections".) Anyway, thanks for the great content!

@herwigegghart927 Жыл бұрын

Thanks a bunch for your great work and contagious passion, Dogen! Your example has inspired me to teach a pitch-accent mini-course within the B-level Japanese course I'm currently attending. As for "ei" and "ou" functioning as long vowels, I think this is primarily an on-yomi issue (plus some obvious cases like そう、どうぞ、ありがとう). Take スペイン and 小売 for example, which are both nouns but (like 姪, by the way) are NOT pronounced with a long vowel - presumably because their respective "ei" or "ou" doesn't stem from the on-yomi of a kanji.

@atakoranodonbrachiosaurus1209 Жыл бұрын

37:20 to that part in my personal experience, I'd say take a break from active studying. Although not JP (applied knowledge is similar enough) I studied and practiced intensely yet didn't improve, but after interrupting my studies (vacation and then sickness) I noticed like you that the issue was suddenly solved, as if I had properly digested and could now rearrange the puzzle pieces correctly with no problem

@risa8834 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much

@wingwaabuddha Жыл бұрын

I took a 13 year break from learning Japanese... My wife started learning Japanese because we are moving there. Somehow I remembered nearly all the vocal, grammar not so much, but its crazy how I remember it all

@kevin-7091 Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@michellenoirstudios 6 ай бұрын

39:00 フグ🐡 reminds me of the Japanese blog Tofugu Thanks for the video Dogen!

@shitbag. Жыл бұрын

This is so over my head. Thank you anyway.

@cool0collin Жыл бұрын

Thank you thank you

@herwigegghart927 Жыл бұрын

According to my resources, 考える can have the downstep either before or after the え - and generally speaking, it seems that the standard position (before る) is always OK for ichidan verbs. Godan verbs are a different story, of course, and here I have observed that the exact vowel combination determines whether a shift to the left is due: Yes for "ae", "ai", "oo", but not for "ao" (e.g. 治る).

@dethswurl117 Жыл бұрын

This was extremely helpful for me, thank you so much for posting this for all of us broke boys on KZfaq

@clicky5494 Жыл бұрын

I watched it the whole thing and it went way quicker than my of my other classes. Maybe i can become jozu one day

@ApteraEV2024 10 ай бұрын

Stopin in, 🎉

@bobbyslickton4742 Жыл бұрын

26:34 good example of this is たっかっ！！ as in ‘so expensive’ or ‘so high/tall’

@Eternal-Security Жыл бұрын

Lol, the "これはペンです" meme got a shout out. I clapped.

@piousmuffin5285 Ай бұрын

I've never really studied pitch accent, so when I found out about it's existence like 6 years into learning Japanese I was kinda scared that I'd picked up some really bad habits. Well turns out the advantage of doing 90% of your learning through listening means you don't really need to study pitch accent, or pronounciation for that matter.

@-ca-- 11 ай бұрын

You cured me of the stupid preconceived idea that it's better (or truer) to learn from native Japanese people. Your content is extremely interesting, especially as you have deep explanations instead of just brushing things like some. I'm having a lot of fun watching your content, thank you.

@matzekatze7500 10 ай бұрын

It's better to hear spoken Japanese from natives that's it😂

@Zaph_Kiel Жыл бұрын

aww I missed it oh yeah 23:30 kawari pen desu or something, I saw that on one of abroads vids

@joshuaradloff1070 Жыл бұрын

u mean kore wa pen desu😹

@napallday9334 Жыл бұрын

Does someone by any chance have time stamps for the tips?

@Dogen Жыл бұрын

Coming soon!

@t_aikutsu Жыл бұрын

23:08 KILL KILL KILL

@Deckbark Жыл бұрын

what a gigachad

@pseudotatsuya 10 ай бұрын

英語のphonics難しいけど、日本語もこうやってみると難しく見えるな

@tb4u646 Жыл бұрын

It is true that English /u/ is rounded, while Japanese /ɯ/ is not. But English /u/ is both in most accents! /u/ is pronounced like [ʉu̯], a diphthong, in most of the US. Have you considered teaching students to take the first part of the diphthong while ignoring the glide and use that for Japanese?

@allenyu3749 11 ай бұрын

hey dogen, are you the same dogen that made that ankle conditioning video a billion years ago?

@EvgenyUskov Жыл бұрын

that's so metaphysical. you may as well spend this much time on learning some kanji

@matzekatze7500 10 ай бұрын

Spend time on both at the same time

@GryphonIndustrial Ай бұрын

So many light bulbs have come on I look like a Christmas tree.

@aarondouault5406 8 ай бұрын

How does the pitch accent evolve when the verb is conjugated ?

@ody1212 Жыл бұрын

2:21:56 wait, isn't the 十年 here correct (well, ignoring the unnecessary stress/loudness)? or am i tripping?

@Mathias-bz2kr Жыл бұрын

I think Pitch accent is as important as stød(glutteral stops) in danish. I agree not really important for communication. When someone talks danish with an accent, IE using non-native vowels, that is something I personally find annoying as it is harder to decode the meaning "ind med engelsk" (english is good enough/in) or "end med engelsk" (rather than with english) . I would personally strive for a native vowel pronunciation, plus some general pitch accent, like hashi(chopsticks) vs hashi(bridge)

@Bothermewithdetails Жыл бұрын

Time to grow a goatee

@charleslinlinker1479 Жыл бұрын

Then he'll be Dogenberg

@VarsavaBo-Hibf Жыл бұрын

「便利」I CAN'T! it's so hard. You kind of end up saying BENDI or BENNI if you don't do that additional flick with your tongue, feels very unnatural for a Ukrainian native speaker but GANBARIMASHO!

@matzekatze7500 10 ай бұрын

GAMBARIMASHOU😜😂

@oyoo3323 Жыл бұрын

1:21:10 I get what you mean, but it really isn't just for English-origin words. This itself is an example. ヨーグルト is not from English, it's from the German "Joghurt". I could tell right away. English, Dutch and German are close relatives, and often have similar words for things. And Japanese has LOADS of words from Dutch, and a decent number from German too. People often confuse these words for English ones, but they really aren't. In the particular case of ヨーグルト I could immediately tell it wasn't English even because of one important detail, the ル in it. If the Japanese had taken the English word "yoghurt", it would have become ヨーガート, not ヨーグルト. There are even cases when Japanese has taken the same word from both Dutch and English, and gave each one a different meaning. For example: ガラス (glass material) from Dutch "glas", but グラス (glass cup) from English "glass". コップ (a cup of any kind) from Dutch "kop", but カップ (a mug specifically) from English "cup". And many others.

@JiNArena Жыл бұрын

2:29:29 this timing whyyyy

@sebastianradlmeier8922 Жыл бұрын

Where has your hair gone?

@oksanafujiwara4429 Жыл бұрын

Where have your manners gone?

@noxiousdow 24 күн бұрын

あ、「マドガサキ」じゃなくて、「マドガサキ」です。🤣

@ITZJORGEN Жыл бұрын

For if u need it: Hirigana: A I U E O あいうえお KA KI KU KE KO かきくけこ SA SHI SU SE SO さしすせそ TA CHI TSU TE TO たちつてと NA NI NU NE NO なにぬねの HA HI FU HE HO はひふへほ MA MI MU ME MO まみむめも YA YU YO やゆよ RA RI RU RE RO らりるれろ WA WO わを N ん Katakana: A I U E O アイウエオ KA KI KU KE KO カキクケコ SA SHI SU SE SO サシスセソ TA CHI TSU TE TO タチツテト NA NI NU NE NO ナニヌネノ HA HI FU HE HO ハヒフヘホ MA MI MU ME MO マミムメモ YA YU YO ヤユヨ RA RI RU RE RO ラリルレロ WA WO ワヲ N ン

@matzekatze7500 10 ай бұрын

And now Kanji😂

@ITZJORGEN 10 ай бұрын

@@matzekatze7500 BRO WANTS ME DYING

@matzekatze7500 10 ай бұрын

@@ITZJORGEN 😂😂