You know what can cause a cellphone signal to weaken?? Going into a basement.

If my man didn't come home I would be leaving very loud and angry messages. That doesn't make someone a murderer.

If they are saying she wanted a lawyer because she's guilty, then all those Alberts and the other Brian are all GUILTY because they all ran out and got lawyers!!

I will never understand why the police didn't get a warrant to inspect Brian Albert's home for possible foul play. No wonder the FBI is investigating.

I’ve told my sons if they are ever arrested, to be respectful, obey commands, but under NO circumstances talk. Tell them that you want an attorney present. Period.

Every time I have watched a trial where a spouse or partner leaves voicemails to try to cover their tracks… their voicemails are like hey sweetie pie just want to say I miss you why aren’t you answering me etc etc lol. Always tries to make them look like an Angel. So no I don’t think her voicemails are to cover her tracks lol. Calling him a pervert. Lol. No. She meant that shit. And I’m sure she lives with guilt knowing she said all that shit while he was dying.

When I saw that photo of his arm without knowing how anyone was saying the injuries happened I thought, “ouch, somebody got in the middle of a dog fight”. Now I know about the case, I think I’m all caught up, when people are fighting dogs go crazy and if John and people in that house were fighting or even arguing the dog would have easily been triggered to start jumping and biting. Lori Certified Animal Behaviorist and Trainer, and Retired Police Officer (20 years)

One time, a few years ago, a friend of mine got himself into some legal trouble and a few hours before he did whatever he did, I happened to be hanging out with him. Detectives showed up at my house without body cameras, without a recorder and without reading me my Miranda rights, and accused me of being a party to what my friend did. I told them I don't talk to police without a lawyer and immediately googled lawyers when they left. I absolutely had nothing to do with what my friend did, but these cops were acting like because I wanted a lawyer that I must have something to hide. One of them actually said to me, "the right to a lawyer thing is only applicable in court, we're just trying to have a conversation with you." It was absolutely appalling and baffling that these detectives could be THAT ignorant or absolutely dirty. I still think about that BS often. KR googling a lawyer makes her smart, not guilty. That really makes me mad that the CW would try to pull that. It'd be the same as them saying in their closing statement "Karen Read exercised her right to remain silent and didn't take the stand, therefore she MUST have something to hide!" Ugh, disgusting.

Searching for a lawyer didn't bother me. She spent the morning with 2 women telling her she was drunk, she was sent to the hospital on a psych hold, and number of hospital staff could have told her she was likely getting tested for drugs etc and she would have been smart enough to know if cops are involved and she was drinking with cops, she would need a dui lawyer no matter what. Lawyers protect innocence too. Cops aren't your friends.

She sesrched for an atty AFTER Proctor called her. Only a fool would talk to cops without atty.

If my husband went into a party and didn't come out, then didn't answer my calls, and i happen to be intoxicated, i might say some things i regret too. These messages had zero impact on my opinion of her not being guilty

lol those VMs proved absolutely nothing but a hurt woman who was tired of being the built in babysitter.. such a joke

this judge is terrifying I cannot imagine how any residents who have a case due up before her must be feeling

Her voicemails were from a woman fed up with the contradictions. John is mad about the way she spoils the kids yet he uses her as a babysitter so he can go do whatever. It sounds to me like they have repeatedly argued about her being with the kids but here she is one more time - with the kids. She tells him the kids are alone in an attempt to get him to come home and watch the children himself. He's not answering. KR reads the situation as JO is hooking up with someone while she is watching the kids and that he says he doesn't want her doing. She is also trying to get him to respond because he didn't have transportation. She dropped him off. She is anticipating having to go and pick him up. She thinks that he is consciously ignoring her. There must be a history of this. I have empathy for KR. How many of us would want our angry voicemails played in court?

It’s sad that officer O’keefe death was not treated as a proper investigation, red solo cups, leaf blowers, no evidence bags or tape, inverted Sally port video, didn’t question certain people until this year & the list goes on. Sending the wrong person to prison is not Justice for officer o’keffe

Those voice msgs are worthless. They prove nothing & were a waste of time. The iPhone Fitbit stuff was taken in bits & pieces and cobbled together to try to make what he needed to show. Made him unbelievable to me

It annoys me that judge Bev is limiting Dr Russell’s testimony after allowing troopers, who aren’t even medical professionals, to give theories as if they were in the medical field!!!

I think the most important part of hearing those voicemails (for me), was how genuine they sound. Unless she's the best actress alive, she doesnt sound like she knows she will never get a hold of him on the phone. She sounds genuinely pissed, she sounds like she really wants to know where John is, who hes with and what he is doing. I dont believe these calls/voicemails were meant to be some kind of alibi for herself. If she killed John and was leaving these voicemails knowing that law enforcement would hear them... she wouldn't have wanted to sound so angry (a motive for the police to suspect her). If anything, you would leave voicemails pretending to be worried about the person you just killed. 🤨

If I was on this jury, I'd feel like Lally and this absurd gang of troopers were constantly insulting my intelligence as a 'normal' non-law-pro person. Disgusting

I felt bad for KR today. I have left those exact voicemails before and if those were the last things I said before I knew my BF was deceased it would kill me to hear them. There is no way she knew he was dead. Those VM show emotion begging for attention

Today, I really felt sad for John's last moments. We won't ever know because the Alberts sold their house. We cannot eliminate their involvement, the 1st 48 hours until rain melted snow. Once they didn't collect, document, and take pictures all over and of everything, it's a lost cause in my opinion. 😢😢😢. That Brian Albert house should have been searched within 48 hours.

The texts and voicemails don’t change my mind about her innocence. I had a boyfriend who used me, dragged me along, gaslit, cheated on and lied to me. I thought I loved him and he drove me INSANE. Absolutely INSANE. My messages were worse than hers- even on a similar drunken weekend. He didn’t die but it dissolved the last remnants of my love and interest in him. I think they’d have broken up by Monday if he’d not been beaten or had an accident and left in the snow.

This prosecution team needs to be disbarred for this BS of trying to use someone lawyering up against them.

I was an attorney for 43 years. Cases like Karen Read make me think it may be time to consider an alternative to the adversary system in criminal cases. It is quite clear that, all too often, prosecutors and defense counsel employ a win at all costs mentality which results in innocent people being unjustly convicted and guilty people walking free. It is also clear to me that the criminal justice system is damaged if not broken.

If she found Yannetti because of a google search it would be the luckiest google search ever. He is quite a good attorney.

Sad knowing if KR didn’t have $$$ to hire good lawyers she’d likely be in prison. How many innocent people are in prison due to bad rep and crooked cops/ detectives just wanting to close cases?

I don't hear her threatening to do any deadly harm to him one time. I have told my boyfriend I hate you a few times over the last 10 years. It's called frustration. She is frustrated with him and she is scared because she can't find him all the alcohol on top of it all.

This is what it seems like to me. He didn’t come back out, she went home. Was pissed that she once again felt like he was using her to babysit while he was out partying. She obviously thinks he is doing something he’s not supposed to be and blowing up his phone.

The "5am" text seems like an innocent mistake from a distraught person who just found her partner dead. The voicemails sound angry but they also sound like someone who believes their partner is alive.

This is what happens when you try to make evidence fit

To me what happened is, they pulled up to the Albert’s..John went to the door to see what was up and went in…something went down, he didn’t come out and Karen tried calling him, he didn’t answer so she went back to his house and was pissed she hadn’t heard from him

That’s not someone who thinks they might have hurt someone , it’s a woman mad because he isn’t answering !

Cops implying you must be guilty just because you got a lawyer is pretty standard. I had a family member who initially spoke with LE in good faith (because he knew he was innocent) and that ended up backfiring. Never again. Always have a lawyer present.

I love how you called out how unethical it is to try to make a defendant culpable for calling an attorney. We must protect our rights. I think the DA should be admonished by the bar. Voting them out is much harder.

Her head was on a completely different train, she thought he was up to no good and that kind of fear causes irrational thoughts. Her phone calls /messages are typical of a partner in that position and often stem from previous experiences

If I were a juror, I wouldn't care if I was the only one against all the others. I just don't know what happened to that man. There is no way I would put someone in prison with what the prosecution has presented.

Not only does the time NOT work in any way lol if it happened from 12:24-12:30 Ryan nagle is outside. At 12:31-12:32 (when they're now saying it happened) jen mccabe is looking out at the car and texting john to "pull in behind me" and lastly we know anytime after that and she is already home. Karen read without a doubt in my mind, did not hit john. And it's really sad people can't have basic common sense and critical thinking and still deny this. Their data is flawed and simply does NOT work logically.

Did everyone forget JO is responsible for those kids and not her? The fact that he still wanted to party, knowing his home responsibilities were awaiting him, tells me a bit about him. KR was trying to convince him to come home cause he's got the kids. She's single, no kids and independent, she owed no one anything, and she could've been out all night if she wanted to. She was the responsible one that night, plus avoiding Higgins advances and that after party. I want the texts between Higgins/Alberts and Higgins/KR and Higgins/JO and JO/KR from 10pm up to the time she dropped him off. It would give me context of what was going on prior to going to Alberts home. C

Interesting how Everyone Else got rid of their phones yet Karen immediately handed her's to investigators. Hmmm...

Lally’s questioning is absolutely horrible. Man takes 30 years to ask a question, like dude get to the damn point lol

The saddest part of this is we will never know exactly what happened. We do know Officer John O’Keefe’s last hours were horrible, he did not deserve any of this. 🙏for John O’Keefe’s family and friends. ❤️LYK, favorite channel for unbiased true crime case reviews.

Karen was sectioned, her blood drawn and she was back from the hospital. Proctor called her. It is plausibile that she thought they where trying to pin her to a dui. She searched for a dui lawyer. But she did not search for a criminal defense lawyer.

Edit to add: If they wanted consciousness of guilt for killing him, wouldn't she search for a Criminal Defense attorney not a DUI attorney? Best I can guess is she thought that people would question her being drunk while dropping him off and wanted to protect herself from a DUI, not from murder charges. EVERYONE should have a lawyer, ESPECIALLY innocent people. Police will "protect" the law, Lawyers will protect your rights. Protect Yourself. One big question that never comes up also is how was John planning on getting home after being at the Albert's? Was he going to call Karen for a ride, hitch one with someone else? No way he was gonna walk it back in that weather..... And those messages have nothing to do with consciousness of guilt, in fact they kind of moved the needle towards not guilty for me. She sounded like a woman who's boyfriend was ghosting her while she was looking after his kids. I'd be pissed too. If they have been having that argument about her spoiling the kids and him using her for babysitting and stuff, then he goes to a party alone and doesn't answer any of my calls/texts I'd be upset to all hell. She said stuff like "I'm sick of you using me... You're out sleeping with another woman while I'm here with your kids" [paraphrased obv], combine that with her thinking he is ignoring her on purpose and her sleeping on the couch waiting for him to arrive home instead of the bed which I assume they have shared before..... Their relationship might not have lasted much longer than the weekend, but none of that points me to she killed him and was trying to cover her tracks. Even if it was an accident with the car (which imho has NOT been proved yet, but the CW case isn't done so we'll see), I can't see how they get 2nd degree intentional out of all that.

If he walked over 200 feet and ascended 3 flights of stairs, her slamming her car in reverse at 24 MPH for 60 feet was 140 feet short of his body!

The prosecutor should be sanctioned surely. She lied outright by saying Karen searched BEFORE speaking with law enforcement. I mean, the Trooper already lied by saying they’d “write” a warrant for her phone and vehicle - when they’d have to prove it before a judge. For the judge to not caution the lawyer then and there is just wrong.

He voicemails to me prove HER case. Everyone that’s been in a relationship has spoke or sent voicemails like this. They prove she was pissed thinking he was cheating. Yet this is suppose to prove she hit him? NOT.

For any logical person, these VMs don't help the CW. If she had intentionally killed him, she wouldn't have been leaving the messages. She was pissed because she assumed that he was cheating while she was playing babysitter.

It’s noteworthy to point out, she sought out a DUI lawyer, indicating her focus and priorities at that particular moment. It’s evident that her interest lay in addressing issues related to driving under the influence, as opposed to seeking legal counsel for more serious criminal matters such as homicide!!!! I’m appalled by the Judge’s response. Unbelievable 😠

Why if they were expecting him to come to the party and they knew he had arrived but supposedly hadn't come into the house wouldn't they have called him or text him to say hey where are you? I thought you were coming? That is suspicious to me.

Imo the “angry voice messages” work in her favor, she genuinely had no idea he was in trouble. Certainly doesn’t prove that she did anything intentionally, if anything at all.

I'm happy being a juror from my recliner. Enjoying plenty of hydration and snacks. I can voice my opinion out loud and there's no one at my house to argue with me. Peter thanks for all that you do

A large conspiracy is NOT required for this to be a frame up. It only requires the people in the house to close ranks and stfu and a deliberately botched "investigation" by Proctor. After that, all it requires is any cop that might think something fishy is going on to turn a blind eye. This is mostly a large cop family and cops aren't terribly likely to snitch on other cops. It's got some notably weak evidence if the idea was to frame Read, but they likely thought there was zero chance the case would ever get more than a cursory glance.

It shows the commonwealth is desperate to win - not to follow the law & constitution… 😢

I'm 70 and when I saw that first ME walk into court, I thought she looked like a cashier at a biker shop but by the time she finished talking I thought, wow, what a fit, well-rested, intelligent witness!

McCabe,Albert’s, Higgins texting at 12:45 seems like a more coordinated thing now ……

I´m not an expert on law, but googling an attorney should never be an issue. It should be called smart...this was really disappointing. Even for Lally.

Nobody is ever proud of those moments in life. I can wave my arm in the sky out of embarrassment of doing something similar to this. Spouses and relationships are frustrating especially when alcohol is involved. They had a very volatile relationship from the sounds of it and who can blame her for all things considered. In the end, I think these voicemails proved that she had no idea what happened to him. She’s at the house with kids, ensuring there is an adult there, she is being emotionally drained and agitated by her thoughts because of JO alleged track record of infidelity, and she wants to go home. If anything, the prosecutor just made the mountain higher for himself. We’ve all been in terrible relationships (most of us) where the other person brings out the worst version of ourselves.

Thank god she got a lawyer.. no doubt any interview wouldn't have been recorded and been Proctors version !

A Boston Police Officer died and no one will investigate if KR is found Not Guilty! That’s INSANE! He is a Police Officer!!!

SO is it me or doesnt the 1237 wifi connection contradict so much of what CW is trying to prove

Also, she was taking care of his kids, when he was off making out in the hotel lobby. I used to take care of my ex's daughter, while he'd be out or sleeping in, it can cause even more recentment. Esp for someone who doesn't have/ want kids, herself

Read's voice msgs are a collection of typical words & responses from an angry drunk person.

So, she is at John’s at 12:36….please Jen and crew explain how she was outside and you watched her????

I grew up in Canton, been gone for many years. Everything is a good old boys club and I'm glad I left and would never go back after this sham.

As far as phone accuracy with steps: I was in a step challenge and tried to ride my horse five miles to cheat. My phone knew I wasn't taking steps! I then attached my phone to my dog and it worked! Just FYI.

Trying to admit that search by Karen for a lawyer just shows me how desperate the CW is and that they will play dirty to win.

the apple health TOS is a joke. it amounts to being a toy. its not accurate. it says so. yet we use it in court with no foundation of accuracy. go read the TOS everyone 💔

Those voice mails do not prove she killed him just that they were unhealthy And actually point to not guilty

12:36 am she connects to home wifi, only way that happens IS IF YOUR HOME OR WITH in a few feet of your home. The 2nd VM @ 12:45am where all you hear is “walking” you can hear her shoes walking in hard wood floor! She’s not in her car. This 100% shows she’s home (@ John’s house). Prosecutors case was destroyed by those 2 voicemails! No way this hurry can find her guilty. Even if she is not found not guilty, they have to at least be a hung jury.

trolling the world by whispering kill me and shoot me while under oath in a murder trial by a licensed peace officer is crazy.

So she killed him then proceeded to harass his cell phone? lol huh? That’s their case?

I believe those angry and hurt voice messages. Absolutely not motive! Loved your assessment of the ridiculous prosecution timeline..contradictions all coming through their witnesses! Hoping the jury has heard all of these too! Thanks Peter for another brilliant analysis 🙏😊

If you believe those are dog bites on John's arm, and I do, then John had to encounter Chloe either in the backyard or in the house. I've considered that exact same thing about whether John could have been bending down to tie his shoe and somehow been hit in the front of the head by the car and then fallen on the back of his head, managing to crawl into the yard. If that were the case, he would have had to already have his arm chewed up by Chloe before that happened, no? So how would that work? Get attacked by dog in the house or back yard and then casually stroll out to the property line in front of the house, bend down to tie a shoe and get hit in the head by a car that is traveling in reverse for the sole purpose of hitting him? Karen would have to be 80 feet in front of the flagpole, notice him bending down, and then somehow gun it in reverse 80 feet to hit him without him noticing and getting out of the way. Makes no sense to me. I think John died almost right away in that back yard. I think it was one hell of a head injury from a fall on cement and he bled into his brain quickly. A lot of chronic alcoholics die from falling backward on their head. In John's case, I think the dog attack made him lose his footing. He got up briefly before the brain bleed progressed, but then fell again, this time forward on his head and hand. I don't think it's an accident that they destroyed the circuit board in the GPS in Karen's car. I suspect they didn't like what they found there.

Not only is it despicable to try and get that google search in, but to also deliberately lie while arguing it that she wasn't contacted by law enforcement yet??? This lawyer needs to be punished by the bar or someone.

I just traveled from Wyoming to Florida in a car, and my Fitbit knew I was not moving it kept telling me I needed to walk.

43:58. What the CW right here is doing is telling you the exact reason why you NEED to have an ATTORNEY!! This tells right there that they were only focusing on her and trying the lowest of the low to get a guilty conviction!! The first they say is you have the right to remain silent. You have right to an attorney!!

I’ve left messages like that before when my husband made me suspicious. It’s been 25 years ago or so but I think every couple goes through times when they aren’t sure if they can trust the other one, especially when drinking.

This trial has been such a rollercoaster thus far. Thank you Peter for continuing to share your thoughts and expertise with all of us. 💗 I always learn so much from you during these livestreams. And thank you to this community for having thought provoking discussions in the chat and in the comments. 💞

I love your channel I’m trying to become a lawyer applying to law school and already started studying for the bar. I’m learning a lot and feeling inspired thanks to you. my favorite part in this video is “you just don’t understand how America works” we are afforded rights and freedoms that people take for granted but it’s pertinent to protect that. At some points it’s that simple of statement but also profound to understand and always remember.

In order to make the 5am text true, the CW have to discredit the testimony of Trooper Paul and his key turn recreation.

Am I wrong or are people convicted of murder every day by their phone evidence but yet suddenly in this trial telling us that the phone data is not accurate well then I think there’s probably a lot of innocent people in jail

An attorney gives advice on the law as an architect gives advice on building a house. If I build a house without the advice of an architect, I’m an actual idiot, the same applies to not hiring a lawyer.

The prosecution is grasping at straws…they got nothing

Yes he asked the me who said she saw pictures of John’s body without any disruption around him , how ? They did not take pics until he was surrounded by footprints from Karen , and paramedics , so what pictures show him in pristine snow ?

They can’t selectively choose which digital evidence they want.

The wifi connection at 1236 is likely a for sure. I hope defense proves this. I mean wifi requires being close for sure right???? That alone means theres so many things the prosecution is claiming is instantly not possible. Steps and open tabs timeline is nothing compared to this wifi connection right???

The voice-mails were clear that she thought John was out with a girl. My theory was when Jen, on speaker, told Jon, "You know where the Albert's live...its right near Maddis house." It was a dig to Karen to intentionally get her upset because he dated Maddis' mom. I think Karen had that on her mind that night and thought he probably was over his exs house.

If the prosecution thought these voicemails would help their case, I'm afraid they probably did the opposite. The jury consists of 10 women (or mostly women), probably most, if not all, have left these types of desperate and hurtful voicemails at some point in our lives. I think the jury will empathize with Karen about that. It absolutely proves she had NO IDEA what happened to him!!

She was drunk and yall keep acting like she’s supposed to be rational and she also feels like she’s losing him.

That horrible feeling that Officer John OKeefe’s death will go down into the annals of unsolved mysteries/ murder

Man I wish there were more lawyers with your integrity.

Peter, someone knows where the dog Chloe is, unless they left her in the desert and drove away... You practically have to give an organ to adopt a pet now. Why can't the basement of the Fairview house be inspected, torn apart looking for dna, if it may have been the scene of a crime, regardless of who owns it now? Why haven't we heard testimony by the coroner or the ME, wouldn't this clear it all up? Is "pervert" a Boston term for liar, player, cheater, a-hole, effer or any other name you would call a boyfriend in the heat of passion if you thought they were seeing someone else behind your back..... such a strange word choice. Everyone travels to the funeral of a fallen cop in NY, non of them personally know, but don"t bother to show up to John's service, their so called friend... So many questions...

My phone always tells me I don’t close any movement rings and I strongly refute this claim

Thank you for tackling and articulating so clearly the issue of why it is so inappropriate for prosecution attempting to equate seeking legal counsel with conscience of guilt. A retired appellate attorney here who enjoys and admires your case analysis. I am saddened at how this case, (and others) reveal how little people understand, and consequently respect, our legal justice system. People! Our flawed, battered, system is the envy of the world. The prosecution and defense have entirely different roles and ethical obligations: the prosecution is ethically bound to seek the truth of the matter and to find justice. The prosecution’s role is not to win a case! Period. If you are analyzing a case this way, your premise is wrong, sets too low a behavioral bar for the prosecutor and is contrary to our system. A prosecutor’s role is to successfully prosecute a person guilty of a crime in a manner above reproach regarding justice; I have been appalled at moments during this trial at the prosecution’s lack of candor to jury, breach of evidentiary rules and conduct. Shame all around.

The Commonwealth hasn’t proven a case.

Of all the people covering this, you have been the best in explaining all of it. Excellent. Thank you.

MA has a LOT of hills, everyone would be getting these stair readings all the time.

I used to be in a abusive relationship, lots of head games, and my ex would flirt with other women in front of me. I said some pretty mean things but true. I was so angry and frustrated. I'm glad I am out of that relationship. 15 years single and loving it 😊

Who hasn't left their partner a angry voicemail at some point? Granted I have never left that level of a angry voicemail, nor amount of them It doesn't say she murdered him. And why would she leave these types of voicemails if she knew he wasn't alive to hear them, & there would no doubt be a investigation into his death? Makes no sense.

If Cloe attacked him, period...someone would call 911. If Colin attacked him & the Brian's joined in...time for a Cover Up