Every time I remind the gossip queens and detractors that I don’t touch the stuff, they find yet another way to push back and advance the narrative. This is why 99% of the time, I simply don’t engage this topic. My message is about “putting back in, what the modern world left out” to return our people back to strength, health and happiness. It’s about creating unstoppable momentum to a better life (bc what our people are doing today isn't working). I wholeheartedly appreciate the introduction to your followers so that more great humans can learn about the ancestral message. Let’s raise the bar and do some goddam good in this world. Grateful as hell!

-Sleep right -Eat right -Go outside -Do natural things Error 404 Trenbolone not found on list

My favourite comment from the MPMD video: "Liver King" is just a reference to how well his body tolerates anadrol

Always a sharp opinion Zack. Ultimately the liver king doesn't even matter, it matters that we stop and think and when you've platforms to reach people it's useful to throw your lot in so we can all measure our thoughts against others. When Sikastan invades we'll put you in the nice gulag.

For lunch I swam in the swamp and found a pregnant allegator. Wrestled the allegator and finally got a sleeper hold on her. Proceeded to feast on the unborn allegator eggs before ripping out the liver. Took a selfie with allegator liver to post on instagram and devoured the remainder of the allegator with my tribe of ancestorial fresh water dolphins.

Squeezing eggs out of live fish is cool and all but I'd like a video on how to squeeze some ancestral trenbolone from raw yams

I don't care about the natty or not argument, but specifically with the liver king I do question the morality of him pushing eating raw foods that have shown to cause illnesses or even death. Also, I question the hypocrisy behind living an ancestral lifestyle while he appears to live in what appears to me as luxury. He uses money to get some exotic what I assume are high quality foods while there may be some less fortunate people following his lifestyle that maybe can't get the same food but still following him in principle with low quality foods in a more poor environment leading to other health issues. That's my problem with the liver king.

My only concern: eat whatever you want, just please be careful if you eat raw or even undercooked venison, particularly if you live west of the Mississippi, the Northwest or Northeast. Really, anywhere where CWD or prions have been documented. Never eat raw or undercooked wild hogs. Everyone is already aware of the potential risk of eating raw or undercooked regular "grocery store" foods. Wild doesn't necessarily mean safe. Also, just because animals, particularly birds eat something does not mean humans can. Hell, Robins eat poison ivy seed fruit. Give that a shot and tell us about it.

Liver King's schtick seems to be: grow a beard, do several cycles of a massive stack, take your shirt off, tell people to eat raw meat and spend time outside and build a community of other people that want to grow beards / do massive stacks / hang out with their shirts off / eat raw meat / spend time outside. (Fire Island seems like his mecca.) Why do people buy into this performative bullshit? None of this is new. None of it is original. It is not polished or well presented. Where does the audience for this come from? The overarching principles are good, but even good ideas taken to an extreme drift into absurdity, and this guy sails past absurd straight into caricature. I guess it's a way to earn a living doing what you enjoy? There are worse things. I have an issue with people repping a 'natural' lifestyle that are obviously not natural. It's just as bad as the fitness ads showing people on a nordic track that very definitely did not get to that level of fitness by riding a nordic track 20 mins a day, 3x a week. It is false advertising, and it should be identified as such.

In Eastern Europe eating stuff like liver, heart, brain, tongue and so on is very common, what I dont get is why does he eats them raw ?! This guy knows that our ancestors discovered fire right ??

“You can piss on my face just don’t tell me it’s raining” Also, I don’t think our ancestors were sporting 8 pack abs at 2% body fat.. but who’s to say

Typical fitness industry archetype. Promotes (insert fad/quirky diet lifestyle here) to attain results, neglects to mention the gear use.

Skyrim background and oblivion music. nice. you know the problem I have with liver king is that he says that he's going back to the roots of humankind, but I can't believe that the cavemen were lean and jacked, that wouldn't be advantageous to survival.

I feel uncomfortable about wealthy people boasting about eating raw/paleo/etc sometimes. At some point there's a line crossed and it's class tourism / poverty porn; playing around with concepts for fun that is the reality of the developing world. Sure, we can and should talk about improving the modern western diet, but I think optics on how it's done here is not great. I get passion for food, or hunting, they're sports and you can benefit from them, but going down to a fishmonger and flexing on instagram is not the same.

Keep doing what you do. It’s not like the rest of the fitness community is going to stop tearing each other apart, if you stop. And I think most of the time it is informative. For Lunch I had 30 fertilized eggs and milk straight out of the utter of a cow, and 1 hive of raw bees with honey.

Uncooked eggs (from aviary species at least) have a chemical called avidin which apparently prevents the absorption of nutriments (at least to some level). I used to add raw eggs and egg white in my protein shakes myself until I learned that. Knowledge of fire and in turn, cooking, and in turn, nutriment absorption efficiency, is what gave humans an edge over other hominids (at least to a very large extent).

I would call him out. I used to eat raw as much as possible, I would walk 5+km in a tshirt or less in -25C, done extreme fasting and massive calorie excesses. I ruck and routinely walk 30km 5 days a week on top of lifting. I am the natty version of this guy, and let me tell you, my physique is absolutely NOT flattering

It's marketing for a line of products. Full stop. For every person that rolls their eyes there are 4 or 5 who have their minds blown and buy the product.

I think content creators like liver king bastardize the fitness industry to such a extreme, it adds to the landfill of BS you have to dig through to find already hard to find info and just makes the approachability of training alot more confusing to newcomers...in turn then regurgitate some bro science crap to others like a wild fire

I think the "dragon in the garage" idea is ultimately right. You can't stop them. But I think "call outs" are useful and important as long as it's within the structure of providing context for people who actually want to learn. I'm not inclined to get wrapped up in profiles like Liver King, etc, but if not for people like BioLayne, MPMD, Dr Mike and friends from RP Strength, Dr Nadolsky providing solid info about the realities of strength training, diet, fat loss and setting expectations on what is possible with and without PEDs it would be a lot harder to sift thru the bullshit. It's because of "call outs" I found the information I needed to completely turn my life around

Great points Zack! My two cents is this: I don't know that there's anything wrong with fitness call-outs per se, or "capitalizing" on the popularity of BS artists, but a lot of the time I can't escape the feeling that it's preaching to the choir. I think a good example is Layne Norton. Call-outs are a huge part of what he does, but I feel like his follower base, on average, is made up of savvier individuals and not necessarily those who would fall for the BS that is being peddled by the target of the call-out. Hope that makes sense, and I don't mean to devalue the work that Layne and other brilliant people do of debunking pseudoscience, either. I simply wonder whether the call-outs always reach the people they need to reach, or do so to a sufficient extent.

Appreciate your input and opinion as always. You have a great ability to articulate your inner narrative and thoughts

love the skyrim background Zack

Calling someone out for deception and profiting from said call out is not the same as deliberately partaking in deception and profiting from it.

Eating breakfast (salt bagel with butter). There are some instances where calling people out works. For example, someone with very little knowledge of fitness might get into CrossFit to look better naked. Chances are they the might, depending on their starting level of fitness and aesthetics. The issue is that many of the people at the top of the CrossFit game are on PEDs. Folks have to know that going in so that they aren't disappointed by the results of training. All of this can be applied to Wim Hoff, eating raw meat, any other fad diet or lifestyle choice. Most people are not going to look like liver king doing what he advertises.

Very eloquent description of the topic. I could really relate to the thought of the vicious circle of not having the moral high ground when calling out people for their monetization while motezing yourself. Good video man.

Also, I think it is admirable that you noted that this analysis was one of introspection. That gives me bearings from which to more closely read the moral implications. This is a long held understanding you have had, and is why I click your videos over the other guy's.

Liver King memes are too easy. I like a challenge

If he lies about juicing he does not have your best interest. He does it for money

Zack my man time for an algorithmic sacrifice

I'm all for an ancestral way of eating, training, and living. But it is immoral to mislead people into thinking that they too can achieve his physique by simply following his "ancestral protocol". It is simply not possible. This is called lying by omission, and the ends don't justify the means. It sets people up for impossible expectations that they can never live up to, while he makes out like a bandit. He is obviously enhanced, and that is fine, but he is intentionally misleading people. Influencers have a moral obligation to be upfront and honest, and the last time I checked, our ancestors weren't walking around at 1400 ng/dL Test all day long. - fantastic video!

When your boy preaches from the high mountains of Winterhold and you wish you could be in the tavern listening to this legendary bard tell his tales.

Sus topic from a giraffe who keeps getting mogged

Lol ironically Derek was just called out. He responded a few hours ago

Good video, maybe watch the underside of the cap blending in with the background if that's not intended - looks kinda cool though at least

Just looking at the 9 highlight covers on his instagram page, the guy has some kick ass branding skill :).

Man what a great approach to the topic. I appreciate this view and enjoy this new fresh way of thinking. Not everything is or can be so black and white and I think you tapped into that here quite well. A healthy bit of skepticism can be very useful.

Less than an hour after this vid released he has 482k follower...

Black coffee. Peanut butter toast with honey.

The thing is; It's impossible to know how much his diet and life-style contributes to his muscle-growth and build because of the reason that he is on some form of steroid(s)

Zach if you are telling the truth you will never have to worry. Reality is on your side at that point. When people lie they are living with something that is not real. Doesn't sound useful A? Reality will also self correct, and sometimes it snaps back HARD. Bonus: Reality is bigger than Lasha. Why in the hell would you set yourself up against something that large that you stand zero chance of defeating?

At least he’s advocating a healthy type lifestyle which is still better than eating maccas

08:50 I’ve thought about this point, as well. If you actually are an extremely gifted person who can achieve a physique or a strength/performance level, that seems impossible for 99% of people without the aide of drugs, how could you actually proof your natty status? I guess the few people who fall into this category just won’t have anyone believe them when they’re telling the truth. Who’s fault is that, though? I’d say most of the blame is to be placed on fake nattys, who just praise their “elite genetics” when in reality it’s the gear they use and the gear users, who downplay the immense benefits steroids give you.

7:00 Damn you Zack … you and Derek are being wholesome again like bald omni-man said …you Seb derek and sikastan are the antidote to the fitness industry bs.

Some people have the opinion that what people like The Liver King is doing isn't really hurting anybody, so just let them be. My problem with this is that it can lead people to overfocus on things that won't really make a big difference for your health. On top of that, there is the issue that some might assume that you can reach his aesthetic by eating the way he does, which is probably not true.

The truth is intrinsically valuable. If someone is on steroids, or it is obviously reasonable to assume so, you should let everyone know. Whether or not it will make the world 'better' is secondary.

Dude, So many young men don't know what's possible and not possible being natural athletes. Its like slowly learning something from place to place where everyone he asks has a sneer about what he doesn't know. It can make someone with passion feel foolish. Youre making money off criticizing him but he's making money off misleading people. He's just one more person misleading people down the road of athletic heartache for his own gain. Your content is not gimmicky, btw, when compared to the rest of stuff on youtube.

Zach what do you think about his supplements lines I wanna try them the liver

Ancient porridge. Went on a hunt for some fresh avena this morning. Took a while to beat up them raw grasses and ultimately snatch their grains off. Collected fresh river water right after that and ignited a campfire to boil the water.

Always love your takes on topics 👍

Subscribed. You're such a honest guy

Watching this while eating lunch.

Here a nice meta thought for you. Due to the nature of algorythimns, the calling out of these people booths their exposre on the platforms and actually contributes to their fame. If they weren't getting called out, many people would never have heard of these people and they probably would not be as popular as they are.

Outro Oblivion music hits hard man

lol, awesome backdrop. giving me nostalgia.

I'm like a caveman but live in an air conditioned big modern house!

Yo was that outro song from Oblivion?

He’s cringe, but I get down with what he’s pushing. Snout to tail, grow your own veggies, get your sleep, be about your family etc. that’s all good shit

Where did you get your hat from? The brim is see through 😲

That man's bro science levels are over 9000.

The Skyrim background is a solid move

So another jacked guy has a shtick. No problem with that - but I would only watch him if he was entertaining. I really doubt I'd learn any useful life knowledge from him. I'd much rather watch Alan Thrall videos and your videos on proper form, programming and even getting a good balance of macros.

Ayyy I just started my first playthrough of Skyrim the other day. Anyway, great video

No one is talking about the skyrim background & music :O

Im just going to say one thing. Love the skyrim background 😂❤

I think bodily awareness leads to a drive toward health and improvement, which eventually leads to a drive of consciousness expansion, which will top everything before it.

Good points made Zack love watching your content

I was pumped after watching his IG feed. When I saw the neighbours cat in my back yard, i donned my loincloth & stalked it for 1/2 mile across the neighbourhood, stalking the prey, biding my time, till POW!! I pounced on that little furry mother & tore it limb from limb with my bare teeth… I’m still crapping chunks of fur three days later. Ancestral ✊🏻

Lunch: roast beef rack, boiled fish with coconut cream, fried chicken, ota (that's a fern, don't know what its called in English) and tomato salad, vanilla ice cream.

I’m not particularly interested in eating raw meat. In my opinion he gives a lot of ideas on stuff to do, but doesn’t give his followers practical strategies to eat the way he does at a reasonable price point. Or even say where you can buy the stuff. MPMD does a lot of videos on other topics too. He’s helping dudes keep their hairlines.

frost troll chillin in the back

I’m chowing down on a monster mash, courtesy of Stan Efferding. Interesting to note that Stan has really solidified himself as someone who will stay in the fitness industry and whose legacy will stand the test of time. Probably due to the fact that he’s open and honest and doesn’t hide behind any lies. Like he’s admitted to steroid use I believe and nobody bats an eye cuz he’s an open book and his information actually works. I think if Liver King ever makes his content a little bit more honest and doesn’t showboat and create these universal truths, he could maintain a legacy, but for now he’s just a clickbait page.

Another great video Zack.

The greenscreen baseball cap 💥 Steak rice and peppers 😋

It is ethical to be skeptical and debate, call out as long as it benefits people.

I’m watching this over breakfast, so I had eggs, a bagel, and coffee

Leather face/ deep nasolabial folds on a relatively young man are a dead giveaway

Even if Liver King is gimmicky and somewhat over the top, I think there is a reason hes so attractive to people right now aside from his appearance. His timing is perfect. With a rise in government manipulation (or atleast awareness of it) people are also wary of how many of the things we've come to accept as a society might actually be detrimental to our minds, bodies, and families. I think he, and the other people who have been brought up in his rise to fame, are helping people be more comfortable exploring alternative ways of living in an ultimate pursuit of health. Whether or not his method is the best or even correct, he is pushing us all forward merely by being a strong force in the health and fitness space.

Is the bottom of the bill of your hat green?

Reppin level black. More juijitsu content please. Love your channel.

is that college of winterhold in the background? haha

I know where a bear den is. Wonder if this guy would keep hiking that mountain? Maybe to prove a point and make a video. But did you think he would keep hiking that mountain over time? I kinda don't think so.

We dont need to go back to ancestral ways, just self improvement is necessary.

Love the es V background 11/10.

Calling you out for promoting the non democratic Sikastan regime. Great work

Love the Skyrim background

Oblivion outro music is 👌

I like the Oblivion theme music at the end

Watching this video after almost 6 months and the liver king have 1.5million followers on ig. That's insane

The natty or not argument is sort of annoying bc like you said it doesn’t really matter. I can’t remember who said it, but one should really compare themselves to themselves and stop worry about others. Everyone should do your own research about supplements, foods, etc. and decide what works for you. The only time I have a problem with steroid use is when someone is competing in a sport where the use is prohibited or where they say something like, “you can look like me when you take this supplement.”

the like is for the skyrim background, content pretty OK too

What he's doing is unquestionably wrong. It's also wrong not to call a spade a spade. I guess he's gonna say he finds those big iron balls with handles and interlocking metal vines just lying around "nature" too? His physique is as enhanced by modern technology as the equipment he trains with and calls "ancestral."

#1 me the comment king

you dont have to defend.....i love you man and all you stand for

658k. Now that is crazy growth.

Fantastic

Does liver king offer programming?

A few thoughts: 1. Liver king was 475k @ 1:00 and went to 476k at 3:00 when Zack talked about it so holy sm*ke 2. Zack may do “gimmicky shit” and make money off it but also produces *quality content, for free. Years worth of game for fucking free. If you’re boosting algorithm, you better have something to offer. It’s only wrong when clout demons show one thing, and then sell another. Example, Joel Seedman shows nothing but chaos-anti-chaos but claims his program is “mainly the basics”, which is deception, and his methodology as a whole is bullshit. 3. Liver King probably isn’t natty, but is obviously on top of his shit. He puts in the work, but if he remained natty, consumers wouldn’t consume his content because he’s not freakishly large, and I think that’s a consumer fault and not his own. As I said, so long as he’s not selling Snake Oil, using gimmicks to get your message out isn’t so bad, everybody does it.

Sushi! And yes, calling them out is necessary as there is some gullible person/kid out there that believes their BS and if we save one person from ignorance - well that’s a worthy win. Edit: also, eating raw food can be problematic. There’s a reason why our ancestors died incredibly young and food safety and sanitation was one of them.

after watching liver king podcast on impaulsive he said that what fizique he has now its 25years of hard work . so even if he is lying not using steroids he still has a point because if you never got into sport and you know that people requires 10 years to learn and master any skill 25 years sounds believable with never heard diet like he is using raw food and his supplements combined makes image that with barbarian training and eating and his lifestyle after 25 years you can have similar body its possible . thanks for video