I still love Byrnas trigger pierce but their launcher is over complicated and non serviceable to the end user which hurts big time. Salt did well with this launcher making it inexpensive and easy for the new to LTL crowd to get started.

I keep saying Byrna LE is a riff off. That's why I can't get my money back.

My byrna le first three shots are well over 400 fps

@@jeremywilson6938you are likely shooting a Byrna Kinetic 2.9g ball. These Salty balls are 3.7g in weight which affects velocity but in most cases delivers more energy on your intended target.

@@jeremywilson6938very hard to believe as everyone who does chrono vid tests on YT demonstrate a huge drop in FPS after the first shot. The first shot gives over 400 FPS, yes, but after that its a big drop off. And I am using byrna kinetics 3gram rounds with their CO2.

Well thank you for doing that average. There are no fancy regulators or springs inside this Salt. Just a chamber valve and a bolt which should provide consistency launcher to launcher, co2 temp probably bring ming the largest variable.

I would love to test the Gavale at some point. I should have a new marker Monday 😉 but it is not a Gavale.

Awesome. You think this grip is big 🤣…try an FSC. Did yours come with grip tape? I did try removing the interlock at least on my first version and it would occasionally spit the magazine while under firing so i reinstalled. It does offer addition securement to the magazine. I would keep an eye on it if that starts happening.

@@lesslethalfordummies I really really wanted an FSC....but the fact I could not find a 12gr mag for it made me give up on it. My S2 did come with grip tape, the good thing is when I pealed half of it off to open the marker it reapplied nicely. As for the interlock I have probably gone thru 10 co2's so far without issue. The one other thing that's a bummer is mine shoots Really high so the fixed sights are useless. Fortunately I was able to put a laser on the pictainy rail so I'm glad they included the rail.

Maybe ill try it on this one. A few have mentioned shooting high and i wonder if that little barrel play might be the cause.

You wont be disappointed and in the small likely hood you are, Salt stands behind their products fully. It has been uber reliable even after i have been poking and prodding at its insides…it still charged and fires everytime.

Thanks Rune. It is ripe for upgrades tho. A nice 25-30 would be ok with me 👍🏼.

Agreed. I do prefer IWB.

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I have seen that one. Eventually ill have to try one of everything 🙂

I agree simple seems to be the best in this market. Many are new users and dont need to be discouraged or overwhelmed with tuning a launcher. Ill have to have a closer look at LTL lineup when the new one is released.

​​@@lesslethalfordummiesSad news... I got an email from Chiappa and the LTL Charlie release has been pushed back to mid summer they hope. Apparently the production model had issues they didn't like so they are working on fixing those issues before they release it to the public. It's good they caught the issues, but it's sad they had to delay it 😔

@@Joreelsucks that happened but nothing worse than putting out a crappy product. No reason it should happen in this day and age.

My LE is my normal EDC but this Salt is winning me over the more seat time i get. Seeing its construction internally also gives me good vibes. Time will tell but so far so good.

@@lesslethalfordummies So... I have never owned either of these... but have watched a ton of videos. Which one do you prefer, Byrna LE or the S2?

@sheidbrink at this point i still carry my LE but i do plan on switching up for a bit. The S2 is a bargain and does out perform some of the LEs i have seen chronod.

@@lesslethalfordummies Thank you... the $200 savings + strong performance make the S2 an easy choice.

Not everyone does and thats fine too.

Two are always better than one. 😁

Yea it does.

Heavier weights tend to carry the most energy into the target. 10g Riot Balls and 8g Grimburg Juls are my favourites. I did just test some 7.5g aluminum balls and they did quite well but jury is out because they can become unusable if just practicing with them. There are so many types but those 3 above are some of the roundest balls. Many other balls have visible seams which can affect accuracy and power.

@@lesslethalfordummies thank you so much from what company bro 🤔

You can get Riot Balls and Grimburg Juls from Less Lethal Defence (Homewreker) or buy Grimburg Juls directly from Grimburg Less Lethal. Both companies have websites. I would avoid buying Riot Balls direct from Riot Ball as you usually have to buy 100 or more and that can be expensive.

Knowing what your device is capable of is more important to the situation.

Faulty markers do happen when things are mass produced. What is good is Salt has a stand up warranty should you encounter a problem.

You should be oiling a drop on every co2 cartridge.

I did not get any? 🤷🏽‍♂️

I am sorry i wouldn’t be able to answer that question. Might be good to email Salt as that is a great question.

Well i can say after fighting the early models ejection problem, this is an improvement that i would take any day of the week. Everyone always complains about the size of these 68cal pistol. It shoots a near 12ga projectile via air in a hand held form. All launchers still require a barrel of sufficient length to keep them in a useful range of velocity and internals to suit. There are physical limits to how small it can be made and thats just the way it is. Price point and reliability are whats going to win over the crowd. At the end of the day no one wants to send their launcher in for repairs and based on what I have seen i dont think they will, or at the very least could perform the repairs themselves. Launchers dont last forever without some form of maintenance. Plan is to have the disassembly video up before the end of the weekend. 👍🏼

Love to see him test one and then upgrade it. Can't wait to see the Solstice when Grimburg releases more info on it.

Eventually ill have to give the Gavale a go.

The shit box version had been drilled and cut (modified) It became sacrificial to see what extra velocity could be gained.

@@lesslethalfordummies So the potential is greater for this new version? Shit box 2.0. I'm ordering one

@@justinhalethesenuts7769not any greater but at least the same.

​@@lesslethalfordummiesHey Less lethal for Timmy's. I just contacted Salt supply thru the link you have attached to this video. And they're saying they do not ship to Canada. So how is it that you got one ? And how do I get one in Canada?

True North Arms in Ontario is a Salt Supply retailer.

I dont think so. It wont fit in the grip but it could be used externally via a MCS adapter.

@@lesslethalfordummies The 12G Leland and the 16G Leland are the same size dimensions. I can use both for my Gavle.

@43BRADBURN43 Gavel is designed to accept 16g. The Salt is not.

@@lesslethalfordummies In what way? Weak internal parts and o rings? The 12G and the 16G have the exact same dimensions.

@43BRADBURN43 12 and 16 are not the same. 16 are longer and in the Salt the co2 is required to be completely enclosed in the expansion chamber. You can put the cap on.

Whats great about the Hdr is being able to shoot shaped rounds without a worry and plenty of upgrades. Until Umarex comes with an Hdp68, the S2 is the answer.

They are little too small to be efficient.

@@lesslethalfordummies customize some from a marbel company maybe ?

My OCD is next level. I would lose sleep about projectiles. There are some people in the Facebook groups making amazing looking projectiles using marbles. If i were to make any projectiles it would have to be the all seeing 👁️ 😂

@@lesslethalfordummies eye for a eye lol 😂