LM 34.1 [REACTION] NIGHTWISH - The Kinslayer

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Guylain Prince OFM

Guylain Prince OFM

3 жыл бұрын

Réaction spontanée à la chanson "The Kinslayer", en trois versions (studio et live) du groupe de métal symphonique Nightwish.
== Vidéo de la version originale (avec paroles) :
• The Kinslayer
== Vidéo de la version Live ("End of an Era" - Tarja):
• Nightwish - The Kinsla...
== Vidéo de la version Live (2018 in Buenos Aires - Floor):
• Nightwish - The Kinsla...
Cette vidéo fait partie de la série 'Lectio Musica' commencée en avril 2020.
== Présentation de la série (français et sous-titres anglais) :
• LM. 00. Introduction '...
Passionné de musique rock sous toutes ses formes, mais aussi de gospel, de blues, de musiques québécoise et traditionnelles, le Fr. Guylain réagit spontanément, analyse et commente une chanson d'un artiste contemporain.
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@marek3707
@marek3707 3 жыл бұрын
Again three versions of the song - great! In the beginning - when you invited us on this trip, I was a bit afraid there wouldn't be a lot of live releases. But I see that it is not right - you can see that you got hooked on it, and that's very good, because the live versions are a kind of complement and extension of the first version. Especially in this song it shows. I appreciate the studio version for the instrumental sections - they are clear, powerful, great! Also on live versions, but not that much. The vocals are also impressive, of course, but here you can see the difference - it was only when I saw Tarja and the band live that I was delighted with this track, because the sound met the image. Tarja has taken me completely - you can see she feels this song great - not only sings, great as always, but she does a show - she's a great actress here. Her movements, gestures, the expression of her face - not only can you hear, but also see her commitment, and this makes me, as a listener, also involved, and with me, other viewers present at the concert. Also what you mentioned - Marco and Emppu are in constant motion, not on stage - it gives the impression of chaos, disorientation, maybe even a bit of fear - that fits perfectly with the theme of the song. Floor decided to do it differently - respect for her again, because it would not be a problem for her to do it like Tarja, she can be very expressive. It's very static, at least in the beginning, then it changes, but not so much. But in my opinion, she is doing a very intelligent thing here - what Tarja does with gestures, body movement, Floor decided to do with her voice. Outwardly, she seems calm, but there is anger in her voice, and at times I could even say rage - it gives the impression that if she had met the perpetrators of this misfortune then, their fate would have been miserable. And Marco's performance completes the whole. Very good interpretation, but anyway - the live version with Tarja is the closest to me. Again, a great evening with you and NW - see you in the analysis!
@hugomiguel8293
@hugomiguel8293 3 жыл бұрын
You sir are my hero, you were able to give an opinion and the why's without diminuishing the other artist. And I have the same opinion as you.
@guimich2478
@guimich2478 3 жыл бұрын
I am not sure did you see this performance? It is like a come to me moment! Like I mention in my comment I have seen this one in a small venue of less than 1000 people in Montréal. Our show was pretty special because it was the first time they came on this side of the Atlantic. End of An Era is something else we never had this kind of production in an arena. Nightwish came to a festival called Heavy Montreal with Floor but the crowd was not really into it. Nightwish are not very big here. This song was intended for the voice of Tarja and this is an hometown crowd arena. It's like The Montreal Canadiens at the old Forum. The energy is so different and the stage just fit what they wanted to accomplish. Tarja is in big Maria Callas Diva mode and she commands the crowd and they are all in catharsis in front her. Come I will purify the pain! I am still torn because I always put my spinozist hat that says comparaison is not reason and to me idiosyncratic subjectivity plays in with nostalgia. To me the sound mix in Buenos Aires has the crowd lowered down too much. The South Americans put many others to shame. I have watch many videos of these crowds and they are insane. Floor is come with me we will get them. Her expressions are full on beast mode. Would not want to be in her way. Queen mode and Xena mode.
@marek3707
@marek3707 3 жыл бұрын
@@guimich2478 I envy you - the atmosphere of small clubs is great - I love it! I've only been to a live NW concert once - in Krakow 2018. It's quite a large arena - thousands of people. And you are right - Floor is like a warrior princess - if she said - come on, we'll get some fortress - people would follow her, she has an amazing ability to catch crowds, but Tarja also - she does it differently, but also great!
@guimich2478
@guimich2478 3 жыл бұрын
@@marek3707 Well back at you! Come my legions vs listen to your Queen. I enjoy both! This is not a competition or a ranking. Here in North America it's often like that. In French your concert town is spelled Cracovie. We are worlds apart but we can converge even in our differences! Just like with all the Era's of Nightwish! The Decades tour was in 2500 people venue in Montréal. Dobry wieczór
@marek3707
@marek3707 3 жыл бұрын
@@guimich2478 Let's not forget about Anette - many great songs were written in her time - many fans skip her or even hate her, but not me - as you say - it's not a competition! I am happy with everything that this band has created!
@Kvasaari
@Kvasaari 3 жыл бұрын
Tarja and Floor are both great in their own way. For this song I prefer Tarja's version because it's more dramatic.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
The live version of Tarja is exceptional!
@JayTor2112
@JayTor2112 3 жыл бұрын
That's a good way of explaining why I prefer Tarja's voice on most of the material they made with her. Floor does a great job with it of course, but there's a certain "dramatic" element to Tarja's style that fits perfectly with the style of music they were making then. But Floor did bring her own style of "drama" to this version.
@ninogvaladze5360
@ninogvaladze5360 3 жыл бұрын
Queen Tarja kicks ass!
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
:-) She does!
@gaiavenus
@gaiavenus 3 жыл бұрын
Just love this concert "End of an Era" its perfect from beginning to end. Thank you for the reaction.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
I will watch it soon!
@Johycita7
@Johycita7 2 жыл бұрын
Tarja the Queen ❤️
@gregjetnikoff7124
@gregjetnikoff7124 3 жыл бұрын
What a song! What a pair of singers! Literally breathtaking!
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you!
@mattipihlaja6745
@mattipihlaja6745 3 жыл бұрын
Love your deep reactions! Lovely to see the Effort You put in it! Keep up the good work!
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks ! Their is work, implied, but mostly pleasure in listening great music!
@deniserodrigues1410
@deniserodrigues1410 3 жыл бұрын
The live version with Tarja and Jukka is so much better.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
It is good, isn't it? And don't forget the spectacular Marko, on this one!
@hamishalexander5048
@hamishalexander5048 3 жыл бұрын
in this case i prefer Floor.
@andresweiland3714
@andresweiland3714 3 жыл бұрын
It is clear how more drama Tarja adds with her operatic voice, much better for song's message, but it is amazing how much you can tell about drummer. Jukka beats drier giving more impact to the song. Here Jukka's performance improves the song.
@RitaFMachado
@RitaFMachado 3 жыл бұрын
As always a great reaction from you. Being a fan for more than 20 years it is very interesting making this journey with you and trying to remember what I felt the first times I listened to these songs. You being a great and interesting person makes this journey very enjoyable.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, Rita, WOW! What a nice comment from you! Thanks!
@tanjajko7220
@tanjajko7220 3 жыл бұрын
Again, wonderful, insightful and interesting reaction, thank you!
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! The Analysis is for Friday or Saturday, come and tell me if it is "insightful" as well!
@bernhardk.2437
@bernhardk.2437 3 жыл бұрын
Love this reaction journey. Many thanks for doing these videos.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Most welcome!
@terot71
@terot71 3 жыл бұрын
Great reaction and both versions of course are phenomenal. The whole song has very heavy "staccato" -feeling and I think Tarja's singing style suites a bit better. She hits those important notes/beats with a bit better clarity. But both women are absolute wonderful!
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. You ave to know that Floor was sick for that concert. Something she would do normally was more difficult. They had to cancel the next show.
@nicholew350
@nicholew350 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince Tarja had a horrible throat infection during the End of an Era concert. She couldn't even sing during morning rehearsals. Her doctor told her to cancel the show, but she refused to. She was feverish throughout the whole concert. You can tell in some of the songs, she looks very pale and sweaty. The Sleeping Sun version you reacted to was also from this concert.
@Freeze014
@Freeze014 3 жыл бұрын
Missed today's premiere, its a great song with a sad topic and bone chilling to think those guys said those things to their classmates / faculty.
@guimich2478
@guimich2478 3 жыл бұрын
A tragedy still so relevant.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Ahhhhhh! That would explain the "quotation marks" we have regularly in the song.
@bigg2988
@bigg2988 3 жыл бұрын
Already the initial beats of the song sound like shots... very startling - and fitting. I am all set to listen carefully.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Yup! It does. I mentioned it in the analysis.
@marinak7483
@marinak7483 3 жыл бұрын
Nightwish 💙🤘Finland...Thank you for your reaction!
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Most welcome!
@DonKampela
@DonKampela 3 жыл бұрын
Live please Always live with Nightwish!
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Studio. Always. First. Then Live! :-) We will be both happy!
@cassychristian2037
@cassychristian2037 Жыл бұрын
Great song! Tarja is so amazing
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince Жыл бұрын
Yup, she is!
@lujalainen1
@lujalainen1 3 жыл бұрын
kinslayer even the name bring me middle age like so many nw song. this song serve well tarja and floor era and are very strong song and give some kinda face to nightwish in my mind. thanx to great reaction guylain and have great day there.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes, it does sound Middle-Age-ish! And it talks about a very modern subject!
@soon_to_emerge
@soon_to_emerge 3 жыл бұрын
Marko’s “Fck me” is either him forgetting lyrics or just simply not wanting to say those lines. Some fans believe this was a stunt they all agreed to do. I don’t have opinion on that matter. I like the line “Feel your pity-wanting pain” and how different it is sang by Tarja and Floor. Tarja sings it like she empathic towards it, while Floor is angered by it. Very interesting and both can be.
@guimich2478
@guimich2478 3 жыл бұрын
I just like the contrast Tarja with her emblematic diva character speaking to her subjects in front of the Finish crowd than you got beast mode Xena Floor. Tarja is come join me in pain. I would not want to mess with Floor her face tells it all.
@tanjajko7220
@tanjajko7220 3 жыл бұрын
I love how civilised and analytical the comparison notes of these two magnificent singers are on this channel’s comment section! And very interesting remarks about the empathy vs. anger, I’ve never paid attention to that so thank you!
@marek3707
@marek3707 3 жыл бұрын
@@guimich2478 "I would not want to mess with Floor her face tells it all" - well said! :-))
@guimich2478
@guimich2478 3 жыл бұрын
@@marek3707 Funny I was just responded to your comment!
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with that assessment. I forgot to include it in my remarks, both in the reaction and the analysis video. But, I noticed that : Floors is angry, in a "don't get me that excuse" reaction. VERY different to Tarja, and both are relevant. Good point!
@tommy8159
@tommy8159 3 жыл бұрын
The look on your face when the sound live is so good😀👌
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Yup! I've experienced a few deceptions on my journey, but this one was not one of them.
@Ozzy_2014
@Ozzy_2014 3 жыл бұрын
Translating what she is saying in finnish to French a whole different kettle of fish. Helsinki, Finland October 2005 when this concert held. End of the tour. Spectacular home coming and they were welcomed back as heroes. Now imagine if Tarja was not exhausted and suffering a cold. Master of their craft.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
One of the greats. No doubt about it.
@davidcoyne7291
@davidcoyne7291 3 жыл бұрын
Both Tarja versions for me. The song just suits her better or maybe i'm so used to hearing her version. The 2018 version sounds a bit less dynamic. I think Floors costume was inspired by the fans insistence that she is like a Valkyrie of Norse mythology. A bit of the super hero thing going on there but i like my rock bands to dress up. Nothing worse than seeing what looks like a bunch of guys from the local pub up on stage.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
I love the costume of Floor for its "war-like" look. What I don't like is the fact that, as woman, she has to look "sexy". I know, I am an old beard, loving Floor for her singing abilities.
@andrelglinnenbank2856
@andrelglinnenbank2856 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince What I like in this costume is that it has all sorts of references to sexy, may be even kinky, clothing and with Floor it simply expresses power, I have no idea how she does that. Although my first reaction, when I first saw it, was a bit the same as yours. 'Come on, you don't need this' I now think it is one of her best outfits.Then again I am just an old man with a beard, so what do I know.
@pen7759
@pen7759 3 жыл бұрын
Hello I´m late here, but I really liked what I heard.Thanks.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Most welcome! Don't miss the next series : EPICA, their last album!
@MrThermopyle
@MrThermopyle 3 жыл бұрын
Let us start the next Nightwish journey ...
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Well, we go slowly but we are regular as a clock. We will get to the next section in 2021! Hope you will be there as well!
@wannabedane4046
@wannabedane4046 3 жыл бұрын
Merci à toi aussi d'être là. Je me réjouis de voir tes video du Mercredi et tes analyses du Vendredi ou Samedi. Floor porte son costume de Valkyrie ou d'Amazone pour cette chanson et pour les autres du concert. Tarja semble toujours porter des robes rouge, jaune, blanche ou noire et rouge, noire et jaune, et toujours avec des microphones à couleur accordés.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha ! Je ne savais pas que mon commentaire déclencherait une série d'autres... Je disais cela juste en passant. Les thématique guerrières ne me semblent pas être la tasse de thé de NW, mais je peux me tromper. Content de voir que tu apprécies les deux types de vidéo. J'aime beaucoup faire les deux, même si je suis parfaitement conscient que l'analyse est moins "à la mode du temps"; je sais que je remplis un besoin. Les discussions qui s'en suivent sont fascinantes!
@ServantOfOdin
@ServantOfOdin 3 жыл бұрын
I just love those brief joks you have when the music starts. It always makes me giggle. Sorry for having such a Schadenfreude at your shocks.... Onto the topic.. It is interesting to see the different live performances here, the newer version is a fair bit darker in the tune, it feels. What struck me as interesting is the right hand of Floor was clenched into almost talons most of the first verse. Very interesting. And I just love that slip-up from Marko on the first response. It is just so natural from he as he realises he missed the spot and has no repose voicing his unpleasance with that. xD I do not subsribe to the assumption he refuses to say those lines, because if so, he would not have said anything or voiced his disdain for them sooner and not at the very last moment before his part was over. Looking forward to l'analyse.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
the problem is, of course, the density of the sound. I was probably listening to a speaker, or another video with a sound less "compressed". A heavy metal song is compressed at the highest possible volume. The difference is very important. Like commercials and normal "drama" level. And don't worry : I give permission for laughing at me : I do the same! Peace from Canada!
@maggaw9869
@maggaw9869 3 жыл бұрын
Kiitos :) FI.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
:-)
@maggaw9869
@maggaw9869 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince Tarja Undertaker ( Live in Milan )
@guimich2478
@guimich2478 3 жыл бұрын
This was maybe the song I anticipated the most when I went to the Wishmaster show in 2000(Montréal). I just went to watch it on Metallwish sitekzfaq.info/get/bejne/jNqHq8mpuL2vZqc.html still cannot find myself. Since my teenage years I have studied American culture from a Québec perspective, on the periphery. It's an important song with a subject that still prevails today. I love that Tuomas went out of his comfort zone and brought us this one. He was an exchanged student in the USA. Merci encore! Votre point de vue est toujours intéressant et les gens en redemandent!! Je suis d'accord en partie avec vous au sujet des performances en direct.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Merci gui mich! J'apprécie beaucoup faire cela, et vous envie pour avoir été au concert de NW 2000. Je ne connais, dans mon environnement, qu'une ou deux personnes qui aiment NW. Ce n'est pas le band le plus populaire au Québec, même les fans, partout, sont convaincus. Au plaisir de s'en jaser!
@stasa-X
@stasa-X 3 жыл бұрын
I have seen this video a lot of times, it's a great performance of the Wishmaster tour. Metallwish made a great job as always. Thank you very much,see you soon.
@guimich2478
@guimich2478 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince Finalement j'arrive à votre commentaire. Je me sens beaucoup plus présent cette semaine pour cette chanson! J'aime bien Sleeping Sun, mais Kinslayer fait partie des cinq premières chansons que j'ai entendu du groupe et son propos beaucoup plus différent vient me chercher de façon plus direct. Lorsque j'écris le terme ballerina metal, ce n'est pas pour dénigrer le groupe, mais bien pour faire observer une des raisons du pourquoi ce groupe depuis des années n'est pas plus populaire en Amérique. Il y a le marketing, la promotion, j'entends bien tout cela, je vous que vous êtes maintenant sous le charme de Tarja et de ses tours, mais son style et ce lui du band est souvent connoté négativement et nous les Nord Américains nous regardons cela comme un phénomène européen qui ne colle pas ici. J'espère bien que le plafond de verre cassera et de les voir dans une autre salle que le MTelus, le problème reste mais oèu? Bien sûr que la chanson Kinslayer est triée sur champs pour Tarja et que je me suis mêlé de plusieurs discussions. J'ai découvert le groupe comme les Old Timers avec Tarja, mais je remarque que je suis très sensible face aux réactions avec Floor. Il faut vivre avec, la vie est ainsi faite. Les sensibilités se percutent, mais je pense que ce groupe touche beaucoup ses fans et c'est pour cela qui y a beaucoup de moments émotifs. Au bout du compte je suis le parcours et le processus! Tarja a marquée les esprits par sa présence quasi royale, et on peut bein ne pas apprécié Floor, chacun son choix, mais rabaisser pour éléver, je ne mange pas de cela moi, car pour moi, je ne sais pas si je radote, elle est peut être la personne sur scène qui est la plus charismatique. Je vous le dit mon frère lorsqu'elle est arrivé devant moi et ma soeur au MTelus, les autres ont disparus autour d'elle. Tarja et Floor sont dans une classe à part. Pour la suite du monde!
@guimich2478
@guimich2478 3 жыл бұрын
@@stasa-X My little nostalgia moment! See you later!
@jaapblaauw3735
@jaapblaauw3735 3 жыл бұрын
Just watched it. Didn't know this song and did not have a 'click' with it at first listening but I will give it a chance with a few more listenings
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
That is great, Jaap! I think that it is a landmark in tuomas' writing. I will explain in the Analysis vid.
@mayday6880
@mayday6880 3 жыл бұрын
Great song. Simillar to this one is "She Is My Sin" I like it even better
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
One day, I will listen to it. Probably!
@oddballgamer
@oddballgamer 3 жыл бұрын
Is it strange to say that for me this is a song i like but not one I enjoy. It is hard to keep the subject contained when I listen to it, I just remember watching the aftermath on the news as a 10 year old. Such a good song, but one that I have to be in good mental place to listen to.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Very well said, sir ! Excellent. Count me in! I find this song remarkable. Well written, but, I don't think I would appreciate listening to it to many times. I am a sensitive man, and my imagination "fills de blanks" of the song. I "see" what the song talks about. Quite hard to witness that to often!
@renejensen7799
@renejensen7799 3 жыл бұрын
Merci Guylain ! Didnt understand a word tou said, as i do not know the French language to well, lol, anyhow i still can see the videoes, and if your mimic, and reaction, just not in words. Kinslayer another song from NW where no other song really sounds the same, you can of cause compare a lot still, like Tuomas way to play the keyboard, and other instruments got NW sound.. i think we again do have a song here, where i do pefer Tarja if i should take a favorite pick, and i think i like Tarja live best of this 3 versions of the song..
@shuriken4852
@shuriken4852 3 жыл бұрын
Unless I am mistaken Guylain makes close captioning in English, so just click on the CC icon at the bottom right of the video.
@renejensen7799
@renejensen7799 3 жыл бұрын
@@shuriken4852 Right, i just needed to click there to get the English subtitles, thanks!!
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, please, use the subtitles. I work hard to write them down, even if they are far from perfect!
@y.a.s9198
@y.a.s9198 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince you are amazing!!!
@Meine.Postma
@Meine.Postma 3 жыл бұрын
I agree about Floor's costume in this. I believe this one was not custom made for her. Still for me the third version was the one as it had both Marko and Floor and I understood the words she sang. But still Tarja's live version was marvelous too.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
People think (up here) that I don't like the "warrior" costume. That is not it at all. I find it elegant. My problem is : what is the point of always presenting female artists in a sexy way? She does not need that and I don't think we need it either to appreciate the singer. I find this treatment so unfair. Just a thought!
@Meine.Postma
@Meine.Postma 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince Yes, I got that. I like her Wacken 2013 costume very much and also her Tampere 2015 costume. For me just the whole "too" sexy thing it's nice to look at but as you said she does not need it.
@k.l.7788
@k.l.7788 3 жыл бұрын
Floor ❤️
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Yup! Floor. All is said.
@guimich2478
@guimich2478 3 жыл бұрын
This is a song about school shootings. Columbine High School seniors/students Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris murdered 12 students, one teacher, and themselves in an April 20, 1999 shooting in Littleton, Colorado. One of a few songs in the Nightwish catalog with a social commentary. For whom the gun tolls(lyrics) little wink at For Whom the Bell Tolls-Metallica. Big influence on Tuomas. It is also an Ernest Hemingway novel on the civil war in Spain.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Nice hint. I did not know the meaning of the first line, now I know! Thanks. Many thanks for you in the analysis to come!
@Angel-bn2xn
@Angel-bn2xn 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince And, as far as I know, the comments made by the male voice in the final part are the exact words that the murderers said to their mates while they were shooting around
@CorporalCookie
@CorporalCookie 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince Like mentioned, the male lyrics are things the two shooters said while it all went down. The song itself is pretty personal to Tuomas as he'd been an exchange student in the US, so when he learned about what had happened in Columbine, he took it pretty hard.
@diegolauro4796
@diegolauro4796 3 жыл бұрын
Excelente reacción, reacciona the phantom of de opera
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Retomaré mis reacciones y análisis de Nightwish en otoño de 2021. ¡Acércate! Je reprends mes réactions et analyses de Nightwish à l'automne 2021. Sois là!
@ericlenouy8756
@ericlenouy8756 3 жыл бұрын
Je n'ai pas vérifié, mais Kinslayer appartient à l'époque où la guitare d'Emppu était accordée en E standard. Depuis 2004 (il me semble), il joue en D standard (DGCFAD), c'est peut-être pour ça que le son de la version 2018 semble plus lourd
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Un ton plus bas, hein? Ça pourrait expliquer cela, oui! Je n'ai pas vérifier cela au niveau de la ligne mélodique! L'accordage en D est aussi utile en musique traditionnelle irlandaise!
@Paul_C
@Paul_C 3 жыл бұрын
Regarding the outfit, that concert was played in a sweltering heat, I suppose that played a part in it. As I understood that costume was a one off and not meant to be worn on stage: According to the designer they ran the risk of that costume being destroyed with all the movement on stage.
@mantailuaa
@mantailuaa 3 жыл бұрын
Where have you read that info of costume could be destroyed? I have not found anything of that sort. And Floor used this costume all throughout the whole tour not just Buenos Aires, she even added some chaps to it where the climate allowed them.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Dear Mantai, I could say that it is normal to have a costume for the photo sessions (promotion, newspapers, etc.) and another, looking exactly the same, but lighter and in another fabric, for the show itself. You could be right, both of you. I know that for one other concert, Floor removed a cape; even in Waken 2013, she removed the skirt. She has to be comfortable while performing.
@mantailuaa
@mantailuaa 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince In the same show in Buenos Aires she took of the cape after few songs and put it back on towards the end. In Wacken she first had trousers with a train and a halterneck top and then she changed it to skirt with train and corset top. If I know something as a woman I know clothes and jewelry and I follow closely what Floor has. facebook.com/155641894485229/posts/2016077575108309/?d=n
@camilaaraujo7974
@camilaaraujo7974 3 жыл бұрын
Hello again, Guylain! Now, this is one hell of a heavy song. Both instrumentally and lirically. And I'm glad you did three versions because we can see how much they have been polishing their performance. The Buenos Aires version is THE one for me. Even with Marko's 'mishap'. I'm not a big fan of the EOAE version, I don't know if it's the mixing or something else, but sometimes it sounds like Emppu is 'skipping' somethings. On the Decades one he sounds very sharp and on point. Also, I usually miss Jukka's energy and how he hits harder on the drums and this is a song that very much benefits from his style but on this one Kai was spot on, I can't complain about a thing :) As for the vocals I confess that I find Floor's approach much better suited for this one. Like you said, she bites every word. And for a song that uses so much staccato the way she has of 'emotionally grasping' every word adds a lot more meaning. Also, Tarja's enunciation in English is, well, famously not always great... I agree when you say there’s a poise in Tarja's bearing and that’s reflective of her very classical training. It translates in her singing as well and it is perfectly suited for songs like Sleeping Sun. Oh, now that I talked about staccato I have to say that everytime I listen to The Kinslayer I find it very reminiscent of the famous musical theme for Alfred Hitchcock's 'Psycho'. And knowing Tuomas Holopainen's songwriting abilities that’s probably not by coincidence. As for the outfits... well, I have to say I never cared much about that ^^' but if I had to chose I'd say I'm partial to Floor's warrior like costume, it fits better the mood of the song and of a metal concert in general. Thanks for the reaction video and for sharing your insights! I have a guess that the analysis for this one is gonna be a real treat!
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
I loved doing the reaction vids. And this song is a little marvel in itself, even if the subject is "heavy", by nature. I enjoyed recording the analysis. It will be out before Saturday, noon (Eastern Canada time).
@jeannettesimpson9778
@jeannettesimpson9778 3 жыл бұрын
Marko said that Jukka is John Bonham to Kai's Ian Paice.
@guimich2478
@guimich2478 3 жыл бұрын
Jukka The Performer and Kai The Grinder
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Mmmmm! I am surprised by the comparison Jukka - Bonham. I will have to think about it!
@MetalFranz
@MetalFranz 3 жыл бұрын
Both Bonham and Paice are/were incredible drummers as far as playing with feelings is concerned. Kai is a perfect drumming machine, but as cold as a Terrana-like drummer can be. Comparing Kai to Paice does not stand. As a longtime Purple fan (since the early 80's) I feel a bit irritated by this analogy
@jeannettesimpson9778
@jeannettesimpson9778 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince Offhand, I can't remember which documentary this was from. I suspect he meant that Jukka is about showmanship and feel, whereas Kai is a more technical drummer. I saw Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple in the early seventies and admire both drummers.
@jeannettesimpson9778
@jeannettesimpson9778 3 жыл бұрын
@@MetalFranz I saw both Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple in the early seventies and I admire both drummers. I have an ex work colleague who drums and is a huge fan of Buddy Rich and Ian Paice. If you have an issue with the comparison, you need to take it up with Marko. 😉 Personally, I love Jukka's approach, and Kai is a metronome. He's good, but without the 'feels'.
@Pablo_Maidana
@Pablo_Maidana 2 жыл бұрын
Tarja se lució muchísimo! me gusta mucho mucho más la versión de 2005. Floor sigue participando
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 2 жыл бұрын
Sí, es muy profesional en su enfoque. De hecho, ambos cantantes lo son.
@StergiosMekras
@StergiosMekras 3 жыл бұрын
It may just be me, but the back-and-forth between killer and victim is more obvious in the Marco/Floor version. Their acting kinda sells the whole thing.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@black4pienus
@black4pienus 3 жыл бұрын
Marco is indeed perfect for the male role in the story. The male voice in Tarja's version was more ominous and dark. Marco sounds more ehm how should I say this.... cynical, sarcastic, tempting in an evil way. More theatrical than the first voice. I love it. And btw, I like Floor's outfit. Makes her look like a superhero.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. I love her outfit too. I don't like that woman artists have to be sexy to perform. That is all. And Floor does not need that. She is great and beautiful, already!
@black4pienus
@black4pienus 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince I agree with that!
@Shandathe
@Shandathe 3 жыл бұрын
I'm amused you were waiting for Marko's version and then he forgot (some of) his lines. And yes, Kai specifically copied Jukka's version of the older songs.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
He copies the beat but play it "à la KaÏ" : with a very different feel to it. Very precise, square, rock solid. Another universe!
@MetalFranz
@MetalFranz 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince Kai's style is as cold as ice. Jukka's groove is unmatched
@jeannettesimpson9778
@jeannettesimpson9778 3 жыл бұрын
To use an English phrase, you have opened a can of worms. So sad, so heartbreaking that the love of music can so divide.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
A can of worms? About other comments ?
@jeannettesimpson9778
@jeannettesimpson9778 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince Others have said that the Tarja/Floor divide is 'civilised' on this channel. I hope it stays that way. Personally, I feel so intimidated by past encounters that I no longer dare to express an opinion.
@jeannettesimpson9778
@jeannettesimpson9778 3 жыл бұрын
There's an excellent and very detailed breakdown of the Columbine Massacre on Wikipedia.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, thanks! the breakdown of the lyrics was excellent immersion as well! WOW!
@Piia2023
@Piia2023 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought Tarja is doing too much of a show of this tragedy, but so is the song a battle of life and death, while Floor is more down to earth, as she is a better interpretatior of the lyrics. Tuomas ways of telling story's of tradegies or anything is out of this world, that is also Creek Mary's Blood a good example too. Hope you have that song on your on your list if you haven't heard it, from End Of An Era concert.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Big stages ask for "greater than nature" behaviour for the artists. Think of opera: while it is perfect for the spectators in the theatre, it looks ridiculous on TV. Tarja has this "diva" body language; she is made for big stages.
@Piia2023
@Piia2023 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince that is true. As much as I love opera I find it hard to watch it on tv, it loses all it's connection and emotions you can feel only by being at the theater.
@draagnipur8767
@draagnipur8767 3 жыл бұрын
I love this old, true to me, NW. Tarja is the best vocalist for them. Such a power voice. "Wishmaster" album is one of their best. You really must react "Fantasmic" - what a song it is. There you`ll hear mastery of Tarja (her best?), Emppu and Jukka. Guitar-flute solo is pure amazing. The old one songs with Floor sound like poor imitation... Remind me a bit lives with Anette.
@eddiecreutzburg7375
@eddiecreutzburg7375 3 жыл бұрын
You are an idiot.The Goddess is more Powerful and Versatile than Tarja and Annette. She can do anything
@guimich2478
@guimich2478 3 жыл бұрын
@@eddiecreutzburg7375 Chill out this commenter just said it is true for her or him. I disagree with words like poor imitation for the old songs but I will survive. Take care!
@draagnipur8767
@draagnipur8767 3 жыл бұрын
Goddess she was in AF. With NW she is sometimes...
@eddiecreutzburg7375
@eddiecreutzburg7375 3 жыл бұрын
@@guimich2478 Yeah, got angry because he says that Floor is like Annette. Ridiculous because Floor can sing anything, more Versatile and Powerful
@guimich2478
@guimich2478 3 жыл бұрын
@@eddiecreutzburg7375 Anette is part of the history of Nightwish. DPP and Imaginaerum are pretty popular albums. In the end I do not care about battles over singers. The bad quality Bye Bye Beautiful video has the most vues on KZfaq. Anette is not my favorite but I do not downplay her work. In the everlasting debate between the old era and the new era I have my preferences but in the end I listen to Nightwish. If you only want to glorify the one you call your goddess it's your thing. By the way I love Floor and Tarja seen them both live with the band. I write words like warrior and queen but it just for fun. To me the singers work hard and have immense talent. Thank you for playing my guy!
@mantailuaa
@mantailuaa 3 жыл бұрын
Marko has sometimes slipped with his lyrics. In front of the finnish growd he uses the best curseword there is ”Perkele!” when it happens 😁 I did not like this song when I first heard it back in the days, it gave me distressing feeling, knowing the subject even more. But I’ve learned to like it over the years, and Markos vocals in it sold it finally on me.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
It is important that the artists bring to our conscience events we should never forget. And so well done!
@isislady4395
@isislady4395 3 жыл бұрын
this schoolshooting was for me the first on i heard of in america
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
When you heard the song? Is that right? Well, art can make some events unforgettable.
@clemenstremens1940
@clemenstremens1940 3 жыл бұрын
Floors outfit is magnifique! She is dressed like a goddess going to war, only left her sword backstage. In the second part of the show with a kind of veil attached, reminiscent of images from the birth of Aphrodite!
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
It is magnificient, I agree. I don't like that woman artists have to sexy to perform. I explained myself many times about that.
@pekkakarppinen1608
@pekkakarppinen1608 3 жыл бұрын
Well done, again. This is a serious song about a very serious matter. Looking forward to your analysis. About Floor's outfit on BA 2018 show. I like it a lot. Because it's so hot (maybe even too hot for you and me too💃 😵😅). Tarja was an engaging Diva and Floor is a powerful and beautiful Wonder woman. We all want a friend like she.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
She is a great woman : in size, beauty, in artistry and as a singer, of course. You are right : I find it sad that she "has to dress" sexy to be a female singer. She does not need that, and her beauty is beyond that (as seen in Beste Zangers). But hey! I am certainly not their target audience. I am certain that their 85% male fan base appreciate that. Commercially, it makes sense, but to me, this is not necessary and it is sad. BTW, I recognize how beautiful it is: elegant and powerful, yes.
@pekkakarppinen1608
@pekkakarppinen1608 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince Haha! We middle aged unmarried men are just the right target audience if any. And that is sad 😜. But seriously, she is beautiful with any outfit or without any.
@jeannettesimpson9778
@jeannettesimpson9778 3 жыл бұрын
I've always found that an odd and rather off-putting choice of costume. To me, Floor was at her most beautiful in the official "Elan" video.
@guimich2478
@guimich2478 3 жыл бұрын
It takes many things to make the world go round. If some people think this Xena outfit is too much than see you at Wembley arena(Vehicule of Spirit/Poet and The Pendulum)! When she takes off the coat, Floor's dominatrix outfit exposes even more flesh. For me it is a stage outfit like Floor said she does not wear this on a regular day. This is just my take and I know people are very familiar with that DVD. Floor is gracious in the Elan video. This outfit to me symbolises her character. Definitely choosing the Nightwish outfit over that Power Ranger costume during the time of After Forever. Tarja has elegance and grace but for some it may be a turn. That aristocratic diva approach does not go well with people that would call this ballerina metal. In the end I have no power on this! Just like on preferences over singers! They come from different places but they took the road that was on our path. A good day to all.
@Idefixu
@Idefixu 3 жыл бұрын
It is risky to comment based on one listening, but I think the live version with Tarja was clearly better than the album version, all in all. Tarja's vocals included. But can she convey the horrible story in all ofmit's awfulness? Anybody know tne number of this song on the setlist in Buenos Aires. Floor was not 100% OK. It was clear especially towards the end of the concert. She was really struggling on Ghost Love Score. She had to ease some notes as if saving her vocal chords for the famous last note, which she nailed. I think Kinslayer was not her best performance vocally, but she is a storyteller and can convey emotions so well.
@calanor4130
@calanor4130 3 жыл бұрын
It was the 16th song of the show, including two instrumental ones. Yeah, Floor was starting to get ill and they had to cancel a show two days later, but all things considered she did remarkably well during the Buenos Aires concert!
@jeannettesimpson9778
@jeannettesimpson9778 3 жыл бұрын
@@calanor4130 She's a true professional. She always gives 100% to her art,
@Idefixu
@Idefixu 3 жыл бұрын
@@calanor4130 Thank you for the info. 16th song, that is tough when you are not OK. But Floor is such a professonal, she is not going to throw in the towel just like that. I think it's the same with other Nightwish members especially Jukka. But also Marko and Tarja. I've been told they were both ill in Helsinki Hartwall Arena 2005 concert. Jukka too, he really looks like he is suffering. Migraine?
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Ouch, a migraine for a heavy metal musician! WOW ! Never had those as a hard rock drummer.
@strogaa
@strogaa 3 жыл бұрын
@@Idefixu According to the documentary "A day before tomorrow" (last days before the Helsinki concert) Jukka seemed to have some serious problems with drinking alcohol (maybe the liver?), while they were in South America. One sentence he said then was: "Doctor says, the next glass could be my last." Tarja felt sick, she even couldn't sing during the rehearsals that day. And Marko... yeah, we all know, what was going to happen after the show. Imagine to keep up the good mood, while having that in mind. Even Emppu was not quite the "bright sunshine" he's known for.
@Meine.Postma
@Meine.Postma 3 жыл бұрын
Columbine was such a sad story all around. Two boys being bullied because they were gay and feeling alone. They saw no way out and shot their teachers and classmates in an angry killing spree. They had easy access to the weapons and ended their lives with hatred towards their bullies and innocent bystanders. This tragedy so could have been prevented with the right help and empathy.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Yup! Choosing to respond that way... So sad... No sense is possible to make in front of such tragedy!
@Meine.Postma
@Meine.Postma 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince Well... there is sense to be made I think. Alienation from the group is very hard and produces hatred. And if you're a teenager and have easy access to such weapons and no one to talk to, it is not good.
@clivematthews5296
@clivematthews5296 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for you to get to performances after Floor Jansen became female vocalist. Such amazing live concerts. She brings so many colours of vocalisation. Any concert late 2012 onwards
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Yup! Getting there, slowly!
@neffscape6353
@neffscape6353 3 жыл бұрын
Bravo Guylain, hai detto tutto: nella prima interpretazione i Nightwish sono un gruppo metal e Tarja è una stupefacente cantante: la sua voce operatica, in combinazione con il ritmo incalzante di Jukka e i riff di Emmpu e Marko fanno di questo brano un pezzo metal originale e coinvolgente, perfetto per un concerto dal vivo. D'altro canto, tuttavia, quasi non ci si accorge della durezza delle parole cantate da Tarja. La sua espressione sorridente e il movimento costante dei ragazzi sul palco secondo me distolgono l'attenzione dal contenuto del testo e dal senso del brano. Senza nulla togliere alla bravura di tutti i musicisti, secondo me la canzone perde un po' di importanza. Al contrario, l'interpretazione di Floor è drammatica e teatrale. Davanti alla sua presenza, statica, imponente e magnetica, ogni parola colpisce come un colpo di pistola e fa percepire la gravità del contenuto. Se non fosse per la parolaccia di Marko, che interrompe bruscamente il "film", ci si potrebbe tranquillamente dimenticare di star ascolntando una canzone metal in concerto live. In questo caso, secondo me, la versione di Floor è di gran lunga più adatta a supportare il contenuto del brano. Per quanto riguarda il costume... beh, è un abito di scena utilizzato per tutto il concerto: è sicuramente molto adatto al carattere "guerriero" di Floor ( a me ricorda Xena Warrior Princess) anche se concordo con te che non c'entra niente con questa canzone. Un abbraccio e un caro saluto dalla Svizzera italiana :)
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Grazie mille, Marco! Ogni parola è apprezzata. Dici cose molto belle, e molto vere. Per quanto riguarda il vestito, beh, è più una questione di gusto. E il mio è più sull'eleganza e la sobrietà di Tarja. È una domanda molto innocua, quando si legge il testo di questa canzone. Grands mercis, Marco! Chaque mot est apprécié. Vous dites de bien belles choses, et très justes. Quand au costume, et bien, c’est plus une question de goût. Et le mien me porte plus vers l’élégance et la sobriété, à la fois, de Tarja. Question bien anodine, d’ailleurs quand on lit les paroles de ce chant.
@nathaliecazenave8677
@nathaliecazenave8677 3 жыл бұрын
Encore une fois une chanson et deux façons de la présenter. Je n’aime pas la tenue de Floor. C'est normal que l'on soit là vous rendez justice aux textes des chansons, ils sont complètement oubliés par les autres personnes qui ont une chaîne de réaction A ce propos j’espère un jour voir une vidéo lectio musica sur le groupe Jinjer. Pour qu’enfin quelqu'un se penche sur les mots de Tatiana
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
On m'a parlé d'elle à plusieurs reprises. Aurais-tu une ou deux chansons à me suggérer?
@nathaliecazenave8677
@nathaliecazenave8677 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince Bad Water, I speak astronomy, Pisces, perennial, judgment (& punishment), Teatcher Teatcher. Il y en a bien d’autres. Pour moi , Jinjer est unique dans l’univers du Metal
@stasa-X
@stasa-X 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is Tarja's best performance in Kinslayer, she has dominated the stage, her gothic outfit, her theatrical movements, her look and the way she aroused the audience, fantastic, perfect. A bit of opera, a bit of metal, a perfect marriage that only Tarja can combine perfectly. Tuomas, Emppu, Jukka and Marco at their best. I have seen the DVD end of an era hundreds of times and today I had the same feeling, enjoyment !!! I did not like the video from Buenos Aires, Floor did not excite me, like the whole show, Floor's stage presence seemed poor, the way she sang it was very rock. I know it's a very demanding song but I don't think it suits her very well, after all it was written for Tarja. Dear Quylain i loved your reaction as always but especially today you was fantastic, studio album and two officials videos. See you soon in analysis, very very interesting i believe.
@marek3707
@marek3707 3 жыл бұрын
Please read my comment - Floor decided to approach this song differently, maybe you didn't notice it - I wonder if you agree with my opinion?
@guimich2478
@guimich2478 3 жыл бұрын
You are too kind Marek I just wonder about this constant approach on old era songs. I love Tarja but for me Nightwish are in good hands with Floor and Kai reproducing the old Era song. Where is Sami Vänskä I miss his presence on the live parts!!
@marek3707
@marek3707 3 жыл бұрын
@@guimich2478 Once upon a time I said how much I would like to see Sami, John Two Hawks at the anniversary concert of NW. Anastasia poured hope into my heart - maybe it will be given to us!
@guimich2478
@guimich2478 3 жыл бұрын
@@marek3707 I have seen Sami just before the departure. I hope you are right on the last sentence.
@civiumardor6344
@civiumardor6344 3 жыл бұрын
I've never seen 'Floor Jansen' and 'poor stage presence' in the same sentence before. She's had every crowd I've seen her play to in the palm of her hand. Tarja was wonderful and her legacy should be able to stand on its own merit, I don't get why people need to denigrate one singer so as to elevate their particular favourite.
@eddiecreutzburg7375
@eddiecreutzburg7375 3 жыл бұрын
Really,you like her outfit better than Floor's. Well, it is your opinion, friar. Floor is stunning in her ceremonial battle armour and she is the best storyteller together with her Brother, the Viking.Powerful and Versatile are they together. My opinion
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, sorry, you got me wrong... I LOVE the "warrior-like" outfit. I don't like the fact that a female artist has to be look sexy... That is why I mentioned that she wears a small cape sometimes; I prefer it that way. They are powerful and versatile. I really think that Nightwish is among the very best in the world, in artistry and in capacity to embody Tuomas' vision!
@eddiecreutzburg7375
@eddiecreutzburg7375 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince About that, friar. In an interview, she said that, she always tries to find a balance between being a woman and a metalhead, without being too sexy. Being a front woman in a metal band, you always try to be judged by your voice, your capabilities. Not being to sexy. And let's not forget, she is the Valkyrie Goddess of Metal. . Hail Floor. Peace and be Safe, friar.
@guimich2478
@guimich2478 3 жыл бұрын
@@eddiecreutzburg7375 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nNKWZqqT0a-Wo6c.html Just for you! The quality of the sound is not there but the Montreal spirit crowd is here! I am near the stage on the left! Good day!
@eddiecreutzburg7375
@eddiecreutzburg7375 3 жыл бұрын
@@guimich2478 thanks bro, I saw you... not.. lol Very old song, good one
@guimich2478
@guimich2478 3 жыл бұрын
@@eddiecreutzburg7375 You are welcomed! See you later!
@danm2783
@danm2783 3 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering how the song effects people who saw Columbine happen and those who were born after or were too young.. I prefer the BA live version, the final exchanges between Floor and Marko seem to be more alive, I find Tarja a bit sterile in her approach.
@GuylainPrince
@GuylainPrince 3 жыл бұрын
"Sterile"? In what sense? She engaged with the crowd very well, but the band seems to do "their thing" in the background. But you are right : the exchange between Marko and Floor is perfect!
@danm2783
@danm2783 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuylainPrince Tarja is doing everything exactly as she should. From perfect vocal execution to audience interaction, exactly correct nothing more nothing less. By comparison interjects more human character. The mocking rage of the two and interrogative anger of the 13. Not sure if I am making any sense, maybe I should have said by comparison
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