This is nice but largely useless…if you know HOW to draw you how to draw everything men, women or elephant. There is NO magically solution. You need to draw every day. It can takes years. Anybody can draw and if you are gifted it will be faster.

This is obviously true. You need to practice a lot and will get better that way. Duh. But I wouldn't say these models are useless at all. The head is a very(!) complex thing and these simplified models can help you grasp the forms faster. Have you tried them? Also, it isn't really like "I know how to draw" and now I can draw anything. To an extent, yes, if you can draw basic forms. But you still need to practice individual proportions and anatomy of specific objects/beings. For example, I wouldn't be able to draw a car convincingly right now.

Yes. Of course. But that is obviously(!) not the topic of this video... 🤔

​@@BueskenArtHii busken hope you are doing well, I have always face the problem for the side circle in which we draw the ear in loomis method how can i overcome on that.

Try drawing it from a reference model. You will likely draw the circle too small or too big - or in wrong perspective. This model can help you out: sketchfab.com/3d-models/loomis-head-d0b3f4aa633a44d8bda8cfe2f779f1f8

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Bruhh I want to draw Christiano Ronaldo how I get his face😂

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Students just starting out find it useful for processing the placement of landmarks in the face. I the two should compliment each other until it becomes intuitive.

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My pleasure, friend! 👍

Love it! Thanks, NightSpook! 😃

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My pleasure! I think it makes the most sense that way.

My pleasure! I'm glad I could be helpful! :)

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Love that you like it! 😊

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You're welcome - glad it was helpful!! 👍

Thanks, Max!

Thanks Emmanuel, I'm happy you like it! 😎

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No problem, glad to be of help! Keep practicing! 👍

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I don't know that method yet. I was just trying to compare the most famous methods. 🙂 But I'll look into it!

Exactly! Like at 5:22. 👍

Interesting! I wasn't trying to make it seem like Loomis invented this - my bad. I didn't dig into the history that much. So it's interesting to know that Loomis studied under Bridgman, for sure. It seems like Loomis developed the planes a bit further though; in his books he seems to draw a lot more small shapes than Bridgman seemed to use. At least from what I could find with a quick Google search. 🤔

@@BueskenArt no worries. 👍 was just curious. made me look into it and do my own researches. planes of the human body was actually bridgman's specialty and what he is very well-known for. in his lectures as well as the books he has written (got a copy of it myself) he simplifies the minute details of the human anatomy into planes is why his technique is very useful for both figure drawing and sculpting alike.

Great idea!

Yes, you're right. I think people are doing this as an exercise. When you're just drawing from imagination with the Loomis method, your drawings will probably look alright. At least better than wirhout any method. But if you lack a fundamental understanding of the anatomy of a head, your drawings might not be as good as they could. Drawing from reference photos with the Loomis method kindof translates this more realistic look to your Loomis drawings, making them better in the end. You can also draw the Loomis construction OVER a photo (the Reilly abstraction as well). It' a good exercise as well - and harder than one might think!

@@BueskenArt oh good. Yeah when I see people do it over a photograph, a lot of the time they get the initial circle misplaced. So I was thinking what's the point of doing that if you have to do tons of corrections just to get the initial loomis thing going.

Yep, it ain't easy. But I guess when you're able to put the circle (and the rest) over a photo believably, your understanding of the head shape should be on a pretty high level then! :D

Exactly!

When drawing from life, I think most portrait artists use special measuring techniques with their pencil and finger. That makes it way more likely to capture a likeness. I think these methods are especially useful when drawing from imagination when you're constructing something from nothing. I guess the more advanced you become, the more you make it your own - take bits and pieces from every method and do what works for you. As for the straight lines... I like them. It's not like you couldn't draw the curved lines from the start. But straight lines simplify things. When starting a drawing, it's so important to not lose yourself in the minutiae. With straight lines you can focus on proportions and angles 100% - and not worry about getting the curve of the nostril (for example) right... yet. That would be the next step.

Always learn at your own pace! 👍

Yes, definitely!

Whatever works for you. The head is no box though. So I think the Loomis method is a sensible approach. A box can help to get the general perspective and most basic planes right though. Methods like the Bridgman method use that.

​@@BueskenArtThanks a lot! I'll try to study it and then see which one is better

It works for women as well. The proportions are pretty much the same. The differences are for example that women have bigger eyes and lips and generally softer/rounder shapes.

This is a great video - I liked and subscribed! But this comment made me laugh. Women do NOT have bigger eyes or fuller lips, although they are often drawn to be stylized that way. The biggest difference in reality has to do with bone structure. Because men usually tend to have bigger bones, they tend to have stronger/sharper jawlines and cheekbones, which are places in the face where bones are more prominent. If you want to stylize your drawings to emphasize typical beauty standards (no judgment), sure, draw bigger eyes and fuller lips. It makes them prettier. 💅 😊

Thanks for the clarification, Rebecca! I thought women really do have bigger eyes and lips. 😀 The thing is that my face drawings always look rather masculine, if I don't use these exaggerated tricks to make them appear more feminine. 🤔 Maybe I shouldn't overdo it then. 😁

Yes, that is indeed a great tip! Always think "from big to small".

Haha, yeah, kinda like those low-poly 3D models back then... 😃

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For the sketch... the same methods! For the painting I can recommend the channel 'Paint Coach' from Chris Fornataro. Really great tips there

Yes, exactly that! 😊

Haha, sure, here you go: bueskenart.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/asaro_wallpaper.jpg :D

@@BueskenArt LEGEND , thank you! :D

Yeah... I was just trying to make it sound a bit more interesting. I'm pretty sure Asaro was influenced by Loomis... who was influenced by Bridgman (his teacher)... who was influenced by... etc.

That's the right way! 👍

I don't know enough about those methods to give an appropiate answer, I'm sorry! But from what I could find out with a quick Google search, these methods don't look that different. After all a head is a head, so there will always be the same proportions and similar abstractions of the planes of the head. 🙂 It's interesting how many similar methods there are though...

@@BueskenArtAh thanks for reply. Hope u can maybe try the Vladimir's method. His videos on KZfaq are plenty. Maybe make video about Vladimir London methods? Simply explained he uses lines and markings all the correct ratios and locations. Means strait lines like drawing a building, but its for the head. And the real drawing starts at the pit of neck and jawline, chin areas. Not a circle like Loomis and others. Actually very practical useful for me. Can create very detailed features. Like I can draw 2 females, and i said one is a detailed Japanese, other is detailed Russian. And really one doesn't look similar to the other yeah. Can really create very detailed chars. One of my latest drawing I draw a full figure drawing of a Japanese-ish 13 years old girl. And tat art really looks very distinct. Edit for a few hours using gimp and I got a nice 13 yr old "girl" yeah... Lets just say Vladimir's methods really works man... Loomis I tried few years back, just managed to do some anime-ish looking "multi-racial(?)" chars. I dropped it long time ago. Maybe Loomis method is more of a proportions and ratios rather than making detailed chars. I'm man from Singapore, and my latest arts, I draw 13yr old Japanese girl, 13yr old Singapore girl and 17yr old Russian girl. And edit all of em using Gimp and wow I have 3 nice detailed "girls" yeah!! Try the Vladimir's method it really works.

Thanks for the info. I see that his channel is 'Drawing Art Academy'. I know that, I saw some of his videos a while ago. Nice stuff! But I think he is the better candidate to make videos about his method. 🙂

That's perfectly fine. If you like your eggs hairy at the bottom, go ahead!

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Excellent point! It's not as well-known as the others... but still a valid point. I will write that down and might make a video about it in the future. 👍

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Kannst du die Videos wieder online stellen? @@BueskenArt

Nein. Aber schreib mir mal bei Instagram oder per E-Mail. @@HardwareFahrrad

...wozu das jetzt? @@BueskenArt

Für die Parodien. Hochladen werde ich sie hier nicht, da der Kanal offensichtlich jetzt eine andere Ausrichtung hat @@HardwareFahrrad

Exactly. That's what I recommend later in this video....

Do whatever works for you, hehe! 😁

No problem! I'm glad you like it!

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Hi @@BueskenArt ! thanks for answering.There's a way to prevent people from saving videos to lists. It works now, though. I defnitely want to keep your insight on my Drawing list :D

Good that it works now! I didn't intentionally block it. ☺️

Nah. But would sound cool, wouldn't it? 😏

That's great! Use what's useful to YOU. 👍

Nice take! 😄

Why should he be? 🤔

@@BueskenArt It was a terrible Joke on my part. I meant that he is usually also very popular with his method of drawing heads, it would have been a great addition to your video to contrast also his method. Cheers, mate, and thanks for the video.

I see. 😃 I was just going for the most well-known and oldest methods. I know about Michael Hampton and have actually thought about a sequel video to this where I mention him. But seeing that he also has a KZfaq channel (bigger and more active than mine), I figured people should just go there. I'm unsure. 🤔

Yes! My head is perfect.

@@BueskenArt thank you for ur hardwork brader. Its really helpful to my semirealistic protrate.

You're welcome - glad I could help!

It's so poor that thousands of artists have used it successfully for decades. These methods are obviously just a base to learn the fundamentals. You can later easily transition away from "standard faces".

@@BueskenArt Give me one of your thousands of artistnames!

You can't be serious... look around KZfaq or Instagram and read some comments. I'm not forcing you to use these methods, if you don't like them. Do what works for you. 🙏

@@BueskenArt Ich finde es bemerkenswert, dass Sie meine Einwände respektieren..! Das ist heute schon viel.Ob daraus ein Gespräch über Künstler und Zeichnen entsteht, glaub ich kaum. Die Zeichnung als früheste Kulturtechnik entzieht sich ihrer Kopierfähigkeit. Sie ist Kunst, kaum Foto mit andern Mitteln…? PS.: Meine amerikanischen Studenten waren die Schlechtesten Studenten, voll von deiner Theorie, unfähig einen andern Charakter als den angelernten zu erfassen. Lass uns mal über Kunst reden, nicht über Kopiertricks. Ps.: Zeichner sind super…..

The three parts are supposed to be equal. The top part ends at the hair line though (not the top of the head). A small (but important) detail I left out in this quick rundown of the method for brevity's sake. 🙃

Why do you think so?

@@BueskenArt like bill gates said he hires the lazy to do work because they find the fastest and better way to do it

and circle and some antena lines and you have a portrait

Ah! So you what you're saying is Loomis is the EFFICIENT way...! 😁

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