Thanks my friend :) 1. I couldn't get it to clip with regular audio (it accepts eurorack levels so line level isn't going to do it) 2. Noise is there if you push up gain, but at reasonable recording levels (full volume on a 6S) I saw no noise on the sample. Perhaps they have a noise gate on the recording, I didn't perform a detailed noise test after that. Noise is a problem with ground loops of course like I mention in the video. 3. I didn't make detailed latency tests either, but I looped a send to an input and then the second send to another input and there was very minimal comb filtering, nothing that sounds like a delay, so, latency seems very low

@@loopop thanks mate! Sounds very promising! Can’t wait to order!

This little company has found its niche! Sort of the next gen of what the ELEKTRON boxes did a generation ago...similar styles multi uses overlapping interests and utilities.......GENIUS!

@@loopop I'm not going to pretend I understood all of this. I'm a newbie when it comes to music, synths and eurorack. That said, (or out of the way as you would probably say,) to me it seems like the main advantage of this Bluebox to a more classic mixer is its size, and that a bigger mixer is somewhat easier to operate. But then again, this one seems to have really good effects where you have more control over their parameters and also the ability to record onto a card in the box itself is not something I've seen in many mixers if ever at all. For some the workflow here might be easier or better than using a "normal" mixer. IDK. I have a few questions that I got some trouble to entangle in my head and that I do not expect to get any answers to here. I put them here anyway for people to read as questions often leads to new questions etc. -Makes me wonder if, and if they ever make a eurorack version of this, that such a module would or could be used for different things or have different functions in a rack as one often do with other eurorack modules? Like mixing CV for example. I'm also impatient to see eurorackers in the near future use this mixer here on YT. -Whit the recording function, I wonder if maybe it would be nice or make sense to have clocking and or simple sequencing to play around with the tracks, channels, loops or whatever. Either in the unit itself or inputs for such? -If this mixer could be used as an instrument in itself like playing on feedback and such that I've seen several people do? Or is this only possible with analogue mixers? Not to complain or anything but we didn't get a "happy little" (Bob Ross reference) jam at the end this time. From what we heard during the demo, it sounded surprisingly party compared to what I've heard from you before. Thanks again for a inspirational demo that gave me more to google.

jonas eggen thanks - I don’t know about their future plans. Yes you can have some fun with the delay though it isn’t an analog style one. Re the jam - yeah not enough time for one this video...

I mean... the Octatrack is their mixer no?

@@stuartmccallum91 yes like the amazing octatrack without the sampler but added i/o channels like a cross between this bluebox and analog heat kind of unit. Roland MX 1 Elektron style. That would be something 🤔🙂

I was thinking this same exact idea not too long ago! I hope electron comes out with a dedicated mixer for its devices, similar to Roland’s

I mailed them about that. They said they have gotten requests about it and that they like the idea. A mixer to link their products. Send em a mail so they see its high demand

I’d like an Elektron mixer! I was really excited about this Bluebox, until I finally got one this week and have not been able eliminate ground loops. I have tried most of the tricks. Everything is plugged into one outlet on a power strip. The only thing running off of USB power is the Blue Box. And still almost everything I plug into it has terrible ground noise. Even the channel sends have terrible ground noise when I am using just the one device that miraculously has no ground noise on the BlueBox input. Maybe I got a bad unit? Or is it a design flaw? It seems weird to me that a mixer doesn’t have a properly grounded PSU.

Same here

FYI - it needs enough power and most computers don't have it - you need to get a USB splitter and power it from an adapter (I'm not saying it's a good thing BTW)

@@loopop I had to have it powered via wall mains, that was the only way to stop the ground noise. As I said, the firmware update enabling it as an audio interface is a nothing burger lol.. great videos loving your channel btw

Akai is right on the cusp! I feel like they are so close to that

Try the new Save As Template feature, which should help you out.

@@1010music yep, I saw that. Can't be happier! Phenomenal work!

noise gate would be useful too

i want "tanh" type overdrive per track

same here and the current offerings are limited and weak. This looks like a real game changer.

We may soon get those additions now, matching the new “eurorack” variant of BlueBox…

Why not use both. :) I am driving both Tascam DP-24 and bluebox, which sits neatly upon the part of Tascam I hardly use. Looks like it was a bespoke solution. :-)

lol, I feel the same way, although I need the24 track, I just ordered this because the desktop is getting awful crowded!

Sorry for the delay. We expect to receive units here in the US by January 8, 2021. We will ship to retailers after that.

@@1010music Thanks for the update! It's okay. I'll get an automatic email as soon it becomes available at my retailer (JustMusic, Germany. Be sure to send them a few.. ;) ).

Hey, which Roland mixer are you referring to?

this is 4 times smaller than the mx1

@@lostipod12 mx-1

Thank you all.

Well, correct me if I am wrong, but the Roland mx-1 has only 6 analog track input channels (4 mono, 1 stereo), the rest are AIRA, USB and digital channels. AIRA host ports are only for AIRA machines, so, it is in my opinion a kind of a partial eyewash. It has though a working audio interface (18 channels) to the PC.

Well, you could set up a quad mix pretty easily having two sets of stereo outs to different speakers but some kind of applet that would let you cross fade different channels to different stereo mixes for spatialization effects via x,y pad would be legit!

Not currently but I believe they’re working on midi support

That’s what I’m thinking too Hopefully there will be revisions

Thanks very much! Honestly that's the best I can aspire to - the weekly synth show ;)

Yes - my thoughts exactly.

there are loads and loads of mixers with exactly the features you are wishing for from almost every manufacturer on the planet, for many years. this is very small and fits into any live rig/case-that is exactly its selling point. i'm afraid your comment has no point.

@@eleven_live Don't be afraid, it's only an opinion. :)

Same as me.. I nearly bought the blender. Glad I didn't now

I bought the Blender - it's a bit plasticky (though not really anymore than my Modal Craft 2.0 - but it does give me 6 x stereo inputs to Cubase. No sends or FX either. If the Bluebox could act as an audio interface I would buy it tomorrow.

@@sulate1 yeah blender is decent, but I prefer to have disk recording over USB audio. Only reason I was about to buy the Blender was because of its function as six channel stereo mixer which is my 1st priority. I wouldn't of ever used it as a soundcard. The BlueBox having disk recording is just gravy, and 4 band eq, reverb, delay 😍 also I have a blackbox and it has very good sound quality so I expect the same from BlueBox. The ability to have mono channels is great too because I have a few mono synths, and also the 3 outs with different sub mix is really nice for send FX to my guitar pedals.. BlueBox ticks all the boxes for me

Totally agree regarding ADAT out, I think that would be super useful to a lot of people, maybe even more so than it having standalone capabilities.

Ooh yeah, this would be an amazing ADAT option for synth users. And it's a nice format. You can put this next to your synths, 1 ADAT to your interface and everything is nice and neat. Keeping an eye on how this develops 👌🏻

this!

To be fair, if it can record to SD, it could send audio threw USB, it's already gone threw the nessisary ADC/DACs, only limiting factor is the USB connection and how much data it can handle because 12 high bitrate streams would be a *lot*, likely needing USB 3.0 at minimum to be reliable

@@UNSCPILOT you're right. I guess I didn't realize it could record them all at once. Re: bandwidth, USB 2.0 should have plenty of bandwidth without needing USB 3.0. I have one of those multi-track mixers that can send/receive all channels + master mix over USB class-compliant audio (Soundcraft 12MTK), it has 12-in/14-out at 16-bit/48kHz and uses USB 2.0. Even for 24-bit/192kHz streams, it should be able to handle up to 10 of them (up to about 42 channels for 16-bit/48kHz). [edit: if you are curious where I got the max numbers from, EDN already did the math -- search for "edn fundamentals of usb audio" and they have a great explanation.]

Something like this? www.signalsounds.com/qu-bit-electronix-mixology-eurorack-stero-mixer-module-black

@@jonaseggen2230 sry for my crappy english.. nope, 4 sends per channel with mix AND mute button. but I was a bit strong with my judgment there, it would be very nice to have AD/DA to plug in an I pad. key part is flexible routing. there is one new toy for this out now, it is a big 8x8 matrix but without digital support.

i currently use an audio interface plus a patch bay to route all the analog sound processing I need, but produce and mix sound in AUM on Ipad. I would love to be able to perform and mix on the physical unit but to also send at least 4 separate tracks from the ipad to it. I pad could produce sound, send it to the mixer, mixer routes to processors and lets me master the signal. that would be perfect simplicity, separating digital from analog.

That combination of features would make it expensive and big enough that being limited to only 4 input channels would be a dealbreaker for many. But I've never seen a 4 channel mixer with 4 send & return channels. I guess the sends part is just a matrix mixer.... But it would require, what, 8 ins, 4 bidirectional TRS jacks, and at least 9 outputs (10 for stereo main mix out). Not to mention the many knobs. At that point you're committing to a big boy, you might as well make it 8 channels. But if you're ok with only 2 send & return channels, the WMD Performance Mixer satisfies all of your other requirements and then some. It will need 2 expanders (1 for mutes and another for individual PFL channel outs via DB25 connectors) and will cost over $1K if bought new tho.

@@rdean150 uh damn, that's very close!

We agree

On second thought, the price they are asking for this is too high. The Zoom L12 still ticks more boxes for me and it's a full blown USB interface to boot.

Is there MIDI sync on the Zoom? MIDI sync for me personally is a huge must have. Zoom has more tactile control true but as you said much bigger therefore the Bluebox can get a lot of that done via touchscreen which the zoom doesn't have. This could come in handy when editing waveforms. Focus here is size though, for $200 more you get a much smaller more portable device with MIDI sync.

@@Soundtrackloops Nope , that's where the Bluebox has an advantage if you need MIDI sync.

You’re right but the FX part on the Zoom is somewhat average (delay and chorus are awful, reverb is correct with the good settings)

@@CO5MA I wonder what the L-8 would look like if it was designed now... I'm also very aware that it was designed for a very different purpose (live recording of bands, podcasting, etc.) and just happens to be achingly close to what synthesists and keyboard players have wanted in a synth/kbd mixer for ever. I've tried approaching various companies (Output, Arturia, Modal Electronics...) with concepts for this potentially huge market, but have got no replies... The Bluebox might spur more discussion and more development in this space. I'm intrigued that the comments here don't mention any of the amazing things that you could do with the Bluebox if only it was designed from the viewpoint of a 'live mixer for synths' instead of 'hey, we can take the Blackbox hardware and rewrite the firmware to emulate boring conventional mixer'...

@@CO5MA Effects age very quickly!

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Was thinking exactly this. Paired with one of the little micro fader devices it would help a lot.

Support for MIDI controllers is coming soon.

@@1010music killer!

Add an external midi controller to get the real faders you need and then you have lost the advantage of the smaller size of the Bluebox. I'll have to weigh options once the firmware is finalized. Looks nice though.... On my radar.

@@1010music I knew it! You guys know what's up. MIDI learn on this beast will put it over the top. I'm getting one for sure.

Yeah, it's a nice start though. Maybe a bigger brother will come if this one sells well enough. I'd happily put up with a double-wide version if the I/O was improved and a bigger screen added.

And no USB power please. Use a filtered switching mode PSU with USB c or barrel connector!

Do you mean K-MIX? It is nice, but don't think it records

@@loopop If the KMix did have SD recording it’d be phenomenal! I wonder if KMI are considering a mkII...

apparently it is....the industry likes to over complicate everything so that it can maintain exclusivity.....i've been looking for what you describe for 20 years...nothing yet...

@@rattlededge-somemikeratled1630Ironic that Emu were planning a product in 1998 that did exactly that. The need to switch/route/ingest data from lots of external gear to a DAW is still either over complicated or under served. Shame this was aborted as Emu fall victim to the DAW/soft sampler market. www.harmonycentral.com/news/uncategorized/emu-announces-mantis-digital-mixer-r17156/

Instead of whining in advance, take a closer look at the bluebox. You will realise that it actually can do things you thing to miss. First, the fx are actually recorded per track if you tell the bluebox to do so. There are the usual routing options at your disposition, too. Let alone the compressor, which is actually hardwired to the master - on the other hand, it's up to you to switch the compressor off by default/in template, record all clean and compress in the post.

@@aljen9611 whining or just asking questions? I took many a close look and it wasn't obviously possible 11 months ago but I do know theres been firmware updates by now. Thanks

Same. I was considering a Keith McMillen K-Mix, but it requires an additional expansion dongle-ish piece of hardware for standalone MIDI functionality. This Bluebox has the MIDI but not yet the interfacing capability. So, like you, for the time being I will just wait and see.

That would have massively increased the unit's size, I think. Since you need most of the space in those boxes for transformers.

Im still amazed at what they have been able to fit into their two tiny boxes. I think a full audio interface would have been overkill.

@@LucIndustries It's already doing everything it needs to be a USB audio interface... except sending the data over USB. They could probably add that feature in a firmware update.

@@ToyKeeper as far as i know a audio interface is mostly the pre-amps and a dac. While that thing would be mostly processing units and storage. Im not sure we are talking about the same thing when referring to "audio interface". Do you just mean any human interface device that lets you control software? Because im pretty sure you can. But you can control software with almost everything, that does not make it an audio interface. I recently bought a A&H zed14, does pretty much what an audio interface does and has more than enough space but still is only able to do 2 track usb.

@@LucIndustries What I mean by "USB audio interface" is a device which interfaces with external audio over USB... a USB sound card, basically. It gets sound into and out of a computer. I mentioned the K-Mix above as an example of the type of device I was referring to. It would need to convert analog inputs to digital, which this device already does... and transmit that data over USB. Then for playback, it'd also need to go in the opposite direction, converting digital to analog... which it already does too. Even just 2 in / 2 out would be enough... though of course it'd be nicer if it had 12 in. That would likely depend on how much processing power and bandwidth it could spare. In any case, it's already doing most of the work of a USB audio interface... except it transmits data to/from disk instead of sending it over USB. Modifying a device to use USB instead of a disk generally only requires software changes. However, it's not clear whether it has a full USB client chipset inside or if it only has enough to receive power. So that could potentially require hardware changes.

Passive aggressive treatment... Lol...

One thing i know for certain about Aaron and 1010 music is that there will be upgrades and updates , so i would bet serious money that more fx and other things are in the works .

Thanks so much for the comment and support!

It’s possible to record inside the bluebox and transfer the files, but of course you have a fair point in that interface functionality would be really useful

That's interesting. Where do you live?

@@1010music Ontario, Canada... But I just checked and it's actually called a "Blue Box", so you're ok :P

FuZZbaLLbee Speaking as a big AUM fan I’d have to agree- but there’s a ‘puritanical’ aspiration among many out there to DAWless, and AUM is sort of a DAW...

the prices are ok, especially assuming you already have an iPad and will always have one anyway. Eg a Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 is less than 400. But interfaces with that many channels are not nearly as portable. I'd rather see it the other way around: if the bluebox had USB Class compliant audio, it could replace audio interface and mixer, either on PC/Laptop or on iPad.

There is audio interface with 6 stereo/12 mono inputs which you can use with iPad for 115 EUR: www.thomann.de/intl/tc_helicon_blender.htm?partner_id=56896