Lorelai Gilmore: More Than The "Cool Mom"

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@trinitytay430
@trinitytay430 2 жыл бұрын
Hi guys! I've gotten a LOT of requests to make a video about Emily. I'm working on the video now and I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the character- my videos on Rory and Lorelai were based on my perspective so I want to see what the general public thinks of Emily so that I can produce a more well rounded analysis of her! Thanks for watching and stay tuned :)
@souky110
@souky110 2 жыл бұрын
I really don't like her as a person but she is amazing important character. One thing I want to point out is, that most of the time we see how she treats Lorelai and Rory, which is not always perfect but she does love them. However, not enough people talk about how she treats anyone who's "below her class" - her employees for example, and Luke is also great example. She treats them as they are less than her
@stephb7872
@stephb7872 2 жыл бұрын
I'm really curious what Emily's growing up was like. In the few glimpses of Emily in her youth, we see she was just as stubborn, hard and tumultuous as she is in the show. She says to Lorelai that she was being a mom in the way she was taught that she wasn't taught to be a best friend to your daughter, so I would guess she came from an extremely harsh upbringing as well, only she tried to fulfill her family's expectations of her. Emily's main issue is that she needs to feel as if she's in control. Whether it's in societal standing, her relationship with her daughter, her life with Richard she exhibits panic and fear when she realizes she can't control things and that's generally what leads to her acting out. I think this may be because the lack of control she also felt as a child, similar to Lorelai. In the reunion we see Emily completely fall apart and give up her social standings, her society friends, and becoming herself when Richard dies, which is the ultimate realization that she truly has no control over life. I think it broke her but in a good way, made her realize we truly can't control everything.
@michelledennelly2171
@michelledennelly2171 2 жыл бұрын
@@stephb7872 That was really well said.
@GreenGirlVevo
@GreenGirlVevo 2 жыл бұрын
emily was kind. and needed. lorelai didn’t really give her space to come around about the pregnancy.
@ellenchavez2043
@ellenchavez2043 2 жыл бұрын
Emily interfered in the relationship between Lorelai and Richard. There were times that Richard was sympathetic towards his daughter and close to hugging her, and Emily would change it by saying "No need to be maudlin." I always got the feeling that Emily came from a less prosperous background and was jealous/resented Lorelai for her privilege. And does anyone get that Lorelai has ADHD?
@nonah7675
@nonah7675 2 жыл бұрын
Lorelai was an incredible mother, but I feel like the show is a perfect representation of inappropriate boundaries in the parent/child dynamic. Rory is a product of adultification. Much like Lorelai is always treated like a child regardless of age, Rory has always been treated as a best friend and confidant to her mother, an emotional burden too big for a small child to handle. We see the results of this in the way Rory socializes. Conversation with adults flow easily, she doesn't click with "normal girls" yet bonds with Lane and Paris (other adultified children). She is praised for her maturity, yet when plans fall apart she has child-like reactions, crying fits, or angry selfish "I deserve this" outbursts. She is aching to be soothed and coddled because these outbursts may be the only time her emotional needs are centered in her mother's life, considering Lorelai is often in her own head about her own trauma. In the Gilmore house, problems often aren't addressed until a scene is made. We've seen enough Friday night dinner fights to spot the pattern, haha. I think it fully sinks in for Lorelai that Rory isn't as mature as she has believed (or *needed* her to be) when she caught Dean cheating on his wife with Rory. She finally sees the little girl making foolish mistakes she never allowed her daughter to be on full display. We the viewer then watch their relationship slowly deteriorate over the next few years as it becomes apparent Rory is brilliant but is fueled by external validation. Rory, even at 30, still can't see her worth outside of awards and accolades.
@carolinaaguirre6199
@carolinaaguirre6199 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@not-a-ghost2206
@not-a-ghost2206 2 жыл бұрын
This!! The "my mom is my best friend" is funny, as long as the best friend is also a mom. I also see a lot of chris in rory. He is arrogant and impulsive as well, which would explain why she still acts like that when she is an adult. She is told so many times that "shes so much like lorelai" that they kinda forget that he formed her as well. Lorelai often comments "this isnt you", maybe because she doesnt recognize herself in rory, but chris and doesnt want to admit it.
@user-bd6hn
@user-bd6hn 2 жыл бұрын
yeah I always felt like rory was very entitled and felt like she deserved everything because she lived in this bubble with her mom with the mindset of “i get everything I want and if i don’t I don’t know how to handle it”
@clared5812
@clared5812 2 жыл бұрын
YES, thank you. I always noticed this and you put it perfectly
@romanebabled7214
@romanebabled7214 2 жыл бұрын
Couldn't have said it better. Also, a child can have multiple best friends, but only ever one mother so why take that away from a child.
@sonny5552
@sonny5552 2 жыл бұрын
Lorelai raised Rory differently than she herself was raised. She broke the cycle. Even tho she wasn't perfect, you can't say she didn't try her best. I can definitely appreciate that.
@belindadaartist7593
@belindadaartist7593 Жыл бұрын
This is so overlooked
@manicpixiecoffeelovr
@manicpixiecoffeelovr Жыл бұрын
i mean she broke the cycle but rory ended up just like her grandparents
@filmandsuchh
@filmandsuchh Жыл бұрын
Yea i agree but it did more harm than good…. She can’t be blamed tho she just wanted to give rory a different life from the one she had. I uploaded a video talking abt this
@char932
@char932 Жыл бұрын
literally. it's unrealistic to expect someone to be a perfect parent when they had parental issues themselves
@lucybarrington4634
@lucybarrington4634 8 ай бұрын
@@manicpixiecoffeelovr I think she ended up more like Christopher. Rory’s dad was a product of a Gilmore like upper class lifestyle and sort of broke away but still had a hard time finding his own way and committing to a person or a job.
@jennyschroeder1717
@jennyschroeder1717 2 жыл бұрын
She tried so hard to get Rory back on the right track when she was still young. Rory ignored her and followed the rich and entitled path of her grandparents so in my opinion it’s all on Rory for her downfall.
@noel2223
@noel2223 2 жыл бұрын
She definitely got the wealth from the grandparents but I think a lot of the entitlement came from Lorelei. Lorelei always acted as though Rory was a saint and an angel who could do no wrong and if she did, she was never really held accountable. It was always a given that Rory “deserved” certain things like getting the best grades, getting into Harvard, not getting criticized by an internship boss, etc. when that’s not how the world works. Rory turned into a brat because Lorelei let her. Parents are responsible for how their kids turn out, not their grandparents who they only see once a week.
@jennyschroeder1717
@jennyschroeder1717 2 жыл бұрын
@@noel2223 idk loralie was all about hard work and not taking the easy way. She praised Rory for her grades and deserving to get into Ivy League because honestly she did deserve it. Anyone who works that hard and is that smart deserves to go to a school like that. I can see being told how great you are might make you stuck up but Rory problems were more of a rich kid thinking they own the world which her mom definitely didn’t teach her.
@noel2223
@noel2223 2 жыл бұрын
@@jennyschroeder1717 Working hard is not a guarantee to get to a school like Harvard. Paris is a perfect example of that - she had better grades than Rory, worked harder than her, and had exponentially more extra curriculars and didn’t get in. Thousands of people should be good enough to get into Harvard and don’t. You’re competing against the best in the world. Expecting to be given anything in this world because you have a false sense of entitlement leads to nothing but personal destruction and a ridiculous sense of pride which all of the Gilmore’s have. In AYITL, Rory expected a journalism job that she literally didn’t even prep for because she was always told she was so special when at the end of the day, she wasn’t. People like Rory are a dime a dozen in Ivy League schools and she felt entitled to things to as small as a tree at Yale. She was entitled and bratty and refused to acknowledge her privilege. Someone else made the comment that Rory wanted the title her mom had of being a self starter without actually wanting to do what was needed for that and I couldn’t agree more.
@katiehaley8947
@katiehaley8947 2 жыл бұрын
Rory resented lorelai for taking her away from her grandparents house and was always so enthralled with the glitz of it. She never once tried to understand why lorelai did not want that for her. It's why she had to live with Richard and Emily in season six so that she could finally see her moms perspective and realize that even though the big mansion and maids are exciting they don't replace emotional intimacy. I mean the whole time Rory is staying there they barely acknowledge her or laugh or hug for more than a couple seconds then when Lorelai and Rory finally reconnect they embrace for real and stay up watching movies.
@delpicsla65
@delpicsla65 2 жыл бұрын
@@jennyschroeder1717 lorelai herself was pretty entitled too
@kseniagalkina2920
@kseniagalkina2920 3 жыл бұрын
there were so many moments where my heart completely broke for lorelai bc emily gaslighted and emotionally manipulated her so much and so openly in a lot of their fights and lorelai ended up apologizing for being in the right?? like i understand respect for elders and parents yadda yadda but she was just wronged so many times and nobody was acknowledging how much it broke her down :(
@destiny276
@destiny276 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!!!! She constantly put lorelai down and put blame on her all the time. She definitely deserved to hear a “I’m proud of you” from her parents on her graduation. Also there were definitely instances where Emily gaslite Rory as well
@meganthackery1609
@meganthackery1609 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! SO often I see people defending Emily and Richard... and they were both horribly manipulative.
@alexisd8190
@alexisd8190 2 жыл бұрын
Yes same here. I love Gilmore girls and I do love Emily some of the time but I hate her for a lot of what she did to Lorelai.
@not-a-ghost2206
@not-a-ghost2206 2 жыл бұрын
Yes thank you! Biggest Warning sign was, when lorelai cut the contact with emily and emily didnt understand why and also never tried. I wish it would've stayed that way, because lorelai thrived without emily.
@nataliaalvarezliera6596
@nataliaalvarezliera6596 2 жыл бұрын
That’s how it is with manipulative people, but once you understand the background you are able to watch and enjoy the transformation. Emily couldn’t be anything else, she also lived a lot to be who she is. Also she’s a grown up woman, that means the times were different when she grew up. Now, besides everything, Lorelei needed her mother. Even when she didn’t like who she is most of the time. As humans we need to understand and learn from everyone in our lives. As someone who have an Emily in my life, this show helped me to see much more than I was able to in real life. It was a huge mirror where I found peace. I can say that today I already forgave my Emily and learned to love her more. I can’t ignore what she have done to me, but I can understand her and be strong enough to ignore all those behaviors that are manipulating her, not me. I don’t let myself go on in that game anymore, I’m secure of who I am. It took a lot of time and of course suffering, but now I hug her and love her for who she is and who she would never be able to be. I think it’s something only people who has lived it understands.
@thenamecarl910
@thenamecarl910 3 жыл бұрын
Me and my mom are currently rewatching Gilmore girls and since I have gained more interest in film since the last time we watched it I start to notice more things, like the emotional or psychological reasons behind characters decisions. Before I just thought “oh that’s what the character would do” but now I can see things like Lorelei saying yes to Rory most of the time BECAUSE she was rarely told yes. Anyways, that’s all-
@trinitytay430
@trinitytay430 3 жыл бұрын
exactly!!!
@maddyhays
@maddyhays 2 жыл бұрын
how emily can’t keep a stable relationship with a maid, then lorelei goes off and becomes a maid herself says a lot too. there’s a lot of connections in the show that go unnoticed.
@perlacringe962
@perlacringe962 2 жыл бұрын
@@maddyhays I NEVER EVEN NOTICED THAT!!!!
@kahkah1986
@kahkah1986 2 жыл бұрын
@@maddyhays yes, she would actually have a lot of experience of what was involved in being a maid, that is a really good point.
@zee6272
@zee6272 2 жыл бұрын
@@perlacringe962 SAME MY MIND IS BLOWN
@souky110
@souky110 2 жыл бұрын
Lorelai Gilmore is most definitely my favourite fictional character of all time. She's realistically flawed, there are definitely moments when you just want to punch her, but she is hard-working, dependable, witty and caring person who loves her daughter and friends. People often talk about how she ruins her romantic relationships (which is due to trauma from childhood, as mentioned), but it's hardly ever mentioned about what kind of friend she is. She's supportive, always there when needed, she was also big part of Stars Hollow, always helping with costumes and events. Again, she wasn't perfect, but she always tried to be good and helpful person (which is something I didn't see in Rory or Emily to be honest)
@manicpixiecoffeelovr
@manicpixiecoffeelovr Жыл бұрын
yes there was many moments when i wanted to punch her lmao
@claireify1963
@claireify1963 Жыл бұрын
I agree with this so much! She was a great friend and worked so hard toward her dream (of owning an inn) - obviously her relationship skills needed work but she was a really great person. My favorite character too.
@_salma6501
@_salma6501 2 жыл бұрын
the emotional abuse also shows in that one eoisode where lorelai was having flashbacks of being pregnant. there was a specific scene that broke me, and it was when it showed young lorelai struggling to fit in a dress and emily told her to exsersize up to fit in it. i love emily but i dont think she made a good parent whatsoever, and that mainly influenced lorelais character wehn she grew up.
@martabystrowska7988
@martabystrowska7988 2 жыл бұрын
It could have been so easy for Lorelia to become a bitter mother - after years of being in a emotional abusive and toxic enviroment. Then with chrisotpher leaving and her being on her own. It could have easily been that Lorelia blamed Rory for the way her life was. However, she choose to be the opposite . It takes great strength to get trauma like that and raise Rory the way she did. While Lorelia isn't perfect she is incredibly strong, and a great mother.
@petabulmer7345
@petabulmer7345 2 жыл бұрын
I really hated how Lorelai's parents disrespected her. They should have been less worried about appearances and could have listened to her more, then things may have turned out differently. Then again, if they had, it would not have been the same show! Might you do a feature on Emily?
@trinitytay430
@trinitytay430 2 жыл бұрын
I will definitely begin working on a video about Emily!!! Look out for it in the future!
@petabulmer7345
@petabulmer7345 2 жыл бұрын
@@trinitytay430 Yes! Awesome! I totally will!
@zara-cm3kv
@zara-cm3kv 2 жыл бұрын
no, lorelai was an ungrateful brat
@lady_stog
@lady_stog 2 жыл бұрын
@@zara-cm3kv Emily, is that you?
@angiechan87
@angiechan87 2 жыл бұрын
@@trinitytay430 and Richard, that would be fascinating. He had a very dominating and overbearing mother as well, which probably shaped his parenting style as well.
@lovechildmag
@lovechildmag 2 жыл бұрын
I binged this recently, and I was so annoyed at Lorelai's lack of communication skills, then I realized it was just a plot device, that all characters fell trap of, the trope of "I'm hurt, or I want something, but I get angry about something unrelated, and by the end I come clean about my real feelings", even Taylor does this many times. I guess we didn't have a culture of emotional maturity as a society back then.
@elissa3188
@elissa3188 2 жыл бұрын
A culture of "emotional maturity" - there is no such thing these days. If anything our culture is less mature now and has been growing so for decades. The point is, this show was about imperfect people - when so many shows about family at the time and earlier were about "perfect" families.
@zoe4514
@zoe4514 2 жыл бұрын
I've watched GG so many times over the years with my mum - starting when I was around 8 years old. Every time I watch it, my perception of each character shifts slightly. There's so much to unfold.
@OcyTaviAh
@OcyTaviAh 2 жыл бұрын
I remember the one thing that really struck me about how Rory viewed her mother is when she said "you don't understand what it was like there," when referring to living for a few months with her grandparents. It is astounding that Rory thought that what she went through in the last like, month or so living with them was anything to compare to what Lorelai had been through for the first 16 years of her life. Rory had already had time to develop and establish herself and her voice before she purposely thrusted herself into what SHE KNEW was a toxic environment to live in. Lorelai was born into it, had no choice until she was BARELY old enough to make the choice for herself. I do think there is something to be said for Lorelai not correctly knowing how to set boundaries. There is that line of "Rory and I are best friends first and mother and daughter second," which is not a particularly health child-parent dynamic, but you can see how she would wildly swing in the opposite direction of what her parents did despite it potentially not being the best decision. Also this show is like, weirdly anti-choice about pregnancy situations which makes me uncomfortable.
@hoesmad8445
@hoesmad8445 2 жыл бұрын
Hold up how is it anti choice?? Lmao genuinely curious since it's been such a long time since I saw GG 🤣
@lbthebookworm2807
@lbthebookworm2807 2 жыл бұрын
@@hoesmad8445 it’s cause whenever someone gets pregnant no one mentions abortion. Which honestly makes sense for like have of them due to the characters involved and how they were raised (Lane being raised in a religious environment for example). The ones that don’t can be explained by the writers not wanting to present a polarizing issue into their show
@oneday7574
@oneday7574 Жыл бұрын
I noticed the anti-choice too. I felt terrible for sookie when she got pregnant the third time because Jackson never told her about not getting the vasectomy. Having two kids is hard already and I’m not sure why sookie was never given any other choice but to have this child she went lengths to not have
@hXbradshaw
@hXbradshaw 2 жыл бұрын
So I recently started rewatching Gilmore Girls for the first time since my early 20s and while I do agree that overall Loralie is a good mother, there are definite ways in which she contributed to Rory’s struggles. She didn’t encourage Rory to follow her dreams, she’s the one who PLANTED the dreams. She bought Rory Harvard clothes when she was a toddler, and said she couldn’t remember when she wasn’t talking about Harvard with Rory. She even asks Rory in the first season if Harvard was her dream or rory’s. Rory of course said she didn’t feel pressure from her mother, it’s what she wanted, but how could it be? Loralie wants her to have what she didn’t have, and wants her to do it away from the domain of her parents, which is why she’s so upset when Rory ultimately chooses Yale. When Rory has an outburst or does something other than be a sweet, dutiful bookworm Loralie always says “this isn’t you.” She also raises Rory with very few consequences for her actions so by the time Rory becomes an adult and IS experiencing consequences for her actions she doesn’t know how to handle it. She completely flounders because of her nurtured sense of entitlement. I think Loralie is overly romanticized as a character, and I think part of that is because in comparison to the truly vile Emily Gilmore anyone would shine.
@zinc8002
@zinc8002 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I think Emily and Richard contributed considerably more to Rory's downfall than Lorelai. They shared fantastical ideas about Rory and coddled her endless with no critical thinking, on the condition that she continues to comply. That’s toxic and mind numbing.
@snoozyq9576
@snoozyq9576 Жыл бұрын
it's toxic when Lorelai does it too though. She talked about Rory having a halo around her head. thats a lot of pressure.
@amxranthine2766
@amxranthine2766 2 жыл бұрын
I love lorelai and i have always hated emily for not understanding basic child psychology and honestly no matter how touching the sob story i will never like emily. Lorelai is a true to herself and never tried so hard as rory to justify her actions the ending broke me and i was just SHATTERED at the scene were she was fighting with luke. LAUREN GRAHAM IS A DAMN GOOD ACTRESS.
@trinitytay430
@trinitytay430 2 жыл бұрын
I KNOW RIGHT I LOVE LAUREN
@sailormoon6842
@sailormoon6842 2 жыл бұрын
When she cries because of Paul Anka being sick but she's also crying for losing her relationship with Rory🥺
@daniaflores8013
@daniaflores8013 2 жыл бұрын
My mom had me when she was eighteen, so I thought I’d be able to relate to this whole teenage daughter and “cool mom” thing Gilmore Girls has going on, but that’s just not how me and my mom are. My mom had to grow up at such a young age, meanwhile Lorelei seems like she hasn’t grown up at all. I believe my mom is a good mom, and Lorelei is a good mom too, but I just think if she was more strict and a tad bit more critical of Rory, she wouldn’t have ended up so messed up. We all struggle with shit, my mom struggles just like I’ve seen Lorelei in TV, the difference is in the way we deal with that, and Lorelai does it in a very ineffective and sometimes harmful wat
@soledasilva7455
@soledasilva7455 2 жыл бұрын
i know right? i feel like rory was def not the type of child who constantly needed her mother telling her what to do and she was responsible so it makes sense that they had such a close relationship and even i think that at a certain point a line needs to be drawn. sometimes lorelai would put and expect comfort from rory when was pretty much just a kid. it felt like sometimes rory was the adult in the house.
@souky110
@souky110 2 жыл бұрын
@@soledasilva7455 That was premise of the show at the beginning... Rory being the mature one in the household. The problem is, it always worked for them. Rory was very dependable, mature, intelligent... So Lorelai trusted her and wasn't strict with her because she never needed to be. Everyone kind of forgot that Rory was still teenager and couldn't always make perfect decisions. Once Rory started making mistakes (for example how she was treating Dean, then how she slept with Dean etc), Lorelai DID call her out, she could have firm hand when needed to, she has drawn the line, but Rory couldn't handle it. Rory was used to being always respected, always seen as perfect, so she couldn't handle criticism (as we can see, that happens a lot in the show later on)
@noel2223
@noel2223 2 жыл бұрын
@@souky110 but also if everyone didn’t put her on such a high pedestal from the beginning then she wouldn’t have had such a fall. Everyone CONSTANTLY praised her (calling her an angel, a saint, the perfect daughter, etc.) and put all of their expectations on her. Lorelei expected her to go to Harvard, Emily and Richard expected her to be what Lorelei wasn’t, even minor characters like Taylor expected her to be the perfect town girl and do all of the Stars Hollow things. She never had any real challenges until the later seasons and if she did, they were always fixed for her or just moved on from. She ran away from everything that was even slightly difficult because no one criticized her or gave her room to grow until she was in her late teens/early 20s
@souky110
@souky110 2 жыл бұрын
@@noel2223 Obviously! But it was pointed out multiple times that she really wanted Harvard, it was not just Lorelai wanting it. It was Rory's decision and she could work very hard to get there. But yeah, you basically said what I said... she was put on pedestal so she wasn't able to handle criticism
@xolotte
@xolotte 2 жыл бұрын
Lorelai is my favorite character! It's a huge pet peeve of mine when people say Lorelai was a bad parent and then will also go on to say that Emily and Richard weren't that bad and Lorelai was overreacting. Great video!
@stephaniechristiano9446
@stephaniechristiano9446 2 жыл бұрын
I think for a teen mom without very good role models for parenting herself, she did okay. I do think she messed up Rory, though. Encouraging your child to follow their dreams is great and important but you also have to help them be realistic. No one ever stepped in to suggest that Rory wasn’t being realistic or honest with herself. Dreams change but everyone seemed very invested in Rory being a journalist even though there wasn’t a lot of evidence that she could do it and even when she took a semester off. No one even came in and said “‘maybe you need to change majors, maybe this isn’t making you happy and is really just giving you anxiety.” Everyone put pressure on Rory to be the person that Lorelei couldn’t be, despite the fact that Lorelei managed to become successful in her own right despite being a teenage and then single mother. How much of Rory is really Rory and how much is Lorelei and Lorelei’s projections on Rory? I am of the firm belief that the person Rory actually is without her mom’s pressure is probably more the woman we see with Logan at Martha’s Vineyard, but that’s a whole other can of worms. I just think there are times where Lorelei behaves like a friend when she should be being a mom. She seemed deeply incapable of letting Rory become anything outside of the vision she had for her.
@activatedcharcoal
@activatedcharcoal Жыл бұрын
In fairness, it's not advisable to tell a college kid who was otherwise succeeding in her classes and successful at the school paper (and hasn't even graduated yet) that she should change her career goals at the last moment. I didn't see Lorelai (or even Richard or Emily) pushing her hard towards journalism, more so that they were invested in her to success in school and in finding a job. Rory lacked determination and had an unrealistic view of her chosen field, but firsthand experience would motivate her to examine her goals much more effectively than yet another talk with her mom. Seeing as money was no issue, Rory could afford to bump around in the real world for a couple or ten years before applying to grad schools to pursue childhood education or library science, or another degree more suited to her disposition. I can't think of any scenes where Lor was actually pushing Ror to journalism.
@sookiegirl8707
@sookiegirl8707 2 жыл бұрын
There is a Gilmore Girls festival held every fall season in Kent, Connecticut...check it out! Update: OMG GG GALS, I cannot find any current 2021 information on this years festival, except how last year it was a secretive last minute event (inclusive) ☹️😣 Truly hope they do it, if not maybe we fans need to make shit happen?🤨😊
@trinitytay430
@trinitytay430 2 жыл бұрын
omg I will! Thanks for letting me know!
@heatherclaus
@heatherclaus 2 жыл бұрын
does it cost money👀
@sookiegirl8707
@sookiegirl8707 2 жыл бұрын
@@heatherclaus I think for the tickets to weekend event. And if u gotta travel to Connecticut 🤷‍♀️ I am in Washington State so the Warner Bros GG Xmas event on the set is closer but not even comparable to the GG Fest😊
@somyasharma7095
@somyasharma7095 2 жыл бұрын
What all is there in this festival?? P. S. I can never go there, I am faaaaaaarrrr
@sookiegirl8707
@sookiegirl8707 2 жыл бұрын
@@somyasharma7095 many events based off episodes like dance a thon, mimic of Lane & Luke’s sis weddings, a day in the life of characters, kirks many jobs & a seminar type event where the shows cast come on stage & answer fans questions etc The Warner Bros event in December is awesome as well it’s “lunch at lorelais home” & tours of the entire set & also other sets tours👌
@Cursebreaker333
@Cursebreaker333 2 жыл бұрын
I think Lorelei is a wonderful example of what happens when you don’t work on healing your inner childhood wounds or past traumas. They wreak havoc on your life in so many areas, repeatedly . Then your children see your wounds and they acknowledge the way you react/handle it. Thus teaching your children unhealthy behavioral habits and no ways of finding an actual solution. Children mostly learn through example and are more prone to repeating the pattern, unconsciously. *Generational trauma*
@mikak1765
@mikak1765 2 жыл бұрын
finally someone that defends lorelei! to me she’s one of the only characters that actually grows throughout the show and any flaw that ppl like to attach to her can be explained by her background which I’m not saying is an excuse but rlly explains it. she was always being the best mom to rory and she always tried with her parents even when they were terrible to her. yes she was childish and not the best in her relationships but watching her grow and show maturity in her relationships was so cool. i will be a fan of hers forever. it’s rlly sad rory ended up the way she did
@sopaipillapesadilla7023
@sopaipillapesadilla7023 2 жыл бұрын
Currently rewatching and I feel bad for Lorelai even though I don't like her character very much. There are SO many moments where she legit tries so hard to appease Emily, to have a mature adult conversation with her without being sarcastic, and it just never works, Emily has a hurt inner child and can't let go of her manipulative ways. Like when they go to the spa together and no matter how Lorelai tries to save their weekend, Emily finds new ways to get upset and ruin things... I felt so bad for Lorelai and all the effort she made. The only way you can deal with a person like that which is what Lorelai does is to set boundaries and not get her involved in her life. And that's what makes Emily SO mad, that she can't control her daughter. Anyhow I LOVED Emily's ending in a year in the life.
@barbaral743
@barbaral743 2 жыл бұрын
I loved Lorelei first time around but on rewatch noticed how self centered she is especially where Sooki is concerned
@feranmer
@feranmer 2 жыл бұрын
Christopher wasn’t present during Rory’s upbringing because Lorelai said she didn’t want him there and wanted to do ‘it’ (raising Rory) on her own. They’ve both discussed it in episodes and he’s expressed he should have still been there instead of respecting her wishes. Lorelai WANTED to be a single mum and I think sometimes people miss this and dislike Christopher so much for not being there even though it’s what Lorelai wanted.
@destiny276
@destiny276 2 жыл бұрын
The ONE thing that i just absolutely hate about lor is that she constantly hates on Jess, who’s like 16-17 in the beginning. Like come on he’s a child
@trinitytay430
@trinitytay430 2 жыл бұрын
yeah that rlly annoyed me too, I feel like because she managed to be an adult at 16 w a kid she expected others to be able to achieve that too and it was just unrealistic
@graceweber8079
@graceweber8079 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the reason for her hating on Jess is because she saw herself in Jess and she understands him probably more than any other character in my opinion. She just wanted the best for Rory and she knew her 16yr old self that she saw in Jess was not the best
@shreyavohra6425
@shreyavohra6425 2 жыл бұрын
@@graceweber8079 OMG I never thought of that this way. It makes so much sense now !!
@kylamay20495
@kylamay20495 2 жыл бұрын
@@graceweber8079 i know but he was 16, there was no real reason to treat him like that
@leeneedsfriends6750
@leeneedsfriends6750 2 жыл бұрын
i think a lot of it was out of fear. rory was around the age she was when she got pregnant and i think she saw jess as her christopher
@jourdangolatte6933
@jourdangolatte6933 3 жыл бұрын
Really loved this one Trin! I’ve always had a soft spot for Lorelai, she reminds me of a less strict version of my own mom -just a couple of strong, independent, young matriarchs lol. I think it’s easy to call Lorelai immature or childish in the earlier seasons but when you think about how much of your 20s is spent learning about life and maturing it only makes sense that someone thrust into adulthood at only 16 would be a little behind the learning curve in their early 30s, although like you pointed out Lorelai does such a great job managing work and fun it honestly doesn’t feel like Lorelai is ever that far behind. The food thing could maybe be a combination of her being kind of like a teen herself and the fact that nutritious food is expensive and typically time consuming to prepare; as a single working mom it’s not always possible to prepare those kinds of meals and she probably never learned how. I grew up on snacks and microwave meals until my mom slowly taught herself to cook but we also didn’t have a diner to go to lol. Just wanted to give my 10¢ and let you know I loved the video only thing missing was the Sweet Baby Ray’s outro but good stuff dude knew it was only a matter of time before you blew up and I love to see it❤️❤️
@sonias9722
@sonias9722 3 жыл бұрын
good analysis and your mom sounds wonderful ❤️
@imawitchwithab2395
@imawitchwithab2395 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this video, so accurate!! After watching and reading some of the comments, I wanted to add my perspective from the show. People are putting a lot of blame on Lorelai for being part of Rory's "downfall" but I think there was some significant influence from her grandparents that contributed largely to this. Lorelai rejected her parents' world from the get-go, and had no interest in it or "taking anything from them." She only ever asked them for help when it was her absolute last resort (i.e. paying for Rory's education, fixing the house, etc.) She was a role model for good work ethic and independence for Rory. I could not find cause at all during the show to ever refer to Lorelai as lazy. That girl worked her PINK sweatpants-wearing-booty off and it showed. It still amazes me how far she got on her own at such a young age with a baby. She defied every single person who ever doubted her and I consider her a feminist role model (I also wish she was my mom sometimes lol). And Rory follows this example to a T, at least initially. When we're introduced to Rory, we are shown a hard-working and dedicated young girl with big academic and career aspirations. And she continues to embody this persona for most of the show. I think her downfall really started when Lorelai's parents became a part of her life. These two people who she saw maybe a couple times a year and were next to strangers, were suddenly involved in her life in a big way. And although she heard all the stories and cautionary tales from her mom, Rory was naturally curious about her grandparents, from whom she had been estranged from her entire life. Rory then got used to them always being there and slowly began to depend on them, and I think Richard and Emily saw her as a "do over" after Lorelai. It got to the point whenever she was in trouble and her mom was not there to help her (or her mom was the trouble) she went running to them and they coddled her and did not hold her accountable for anything. While Lorelai was not a perfect mom, she did a good enough job that I think without her parents influence, Rory would have ended up in a much better place than she did. If Rory did not have her grandparents to run to every time Lorelai refused to support a decision Rory made, maybe without that safety net she would have gained a lot more independence. The life lessons and values Lorelai had been trying to instill in her daughter from day one were jeopardized when her parents became a part of her life again.
@chelsifortenberry5967
@chelsifortenberry5967 2 жыл бұрын
Right. I remember that episode where Rory and Emily got into a fight at a DAR event and Emily had started yelling at Rory as if she was Lorelei, I was like, 😳”What in the world?” I love Emily and Richard sometimes but most of the time they were completely manipulative and disregarding of Lorelai’s feelings and Rory’s mistakes. And with Emily I always saw her hidden pleasure whenever there was a road block in Lorelei and Rory’s relationship. Like that one time where Rory had went and stayed with Richard and Emily after a fight with Lorelei and she was hiding a smile, but you could see the pleasure in her face and all she could say was, “she came to us.” And she completely ignored the fact that Lorelei was Rory’s mom and was worried sick about her high school daughter.
@JustAPrayer
@JustAPrayer 2 жыл бұрын
Yes that’s exactly what I’ve always said. Like when they went behind Lorelei’s back and let Rory drop out of Yale and live with them. Yes Lorelei should not have kicked Rory out, but she was absolutely right that both of them undermined her authority and rewarded Rory for her behavior, instead of punishing her. They throw expensive stuff at Rory whether she wants it or not, they disrespect Lorelei right in front of Rory as often as possible, and they often use their money to get Rory out of situations she could have used as a learning experience. And the sad thing is, Rory’s eventually acceptance of her grandparents lifestyle makes sense when you remember she wasn’t raised in it like her mother was, she was raised in a shack
@idontlikekiwi
@idontlikekiwi 2 жыл бұрын
very much agree with this! lorelai told her parents million times to not discipline her child and i think they should have listened, i think lorelai was aware that rory was very impressionable and was still building her own character, when rory started making mistakes lorelai couldnt teach her why something was right or not because when she got strict rory ran to her grandparents so she could be baby-ed and they distracted her with coming out events, golfing and DAR meetings. rory did not really learn from her mistakes as they only praised her for the good stuff and ignored her bad actions.
@JustAPrayer
@JustAPrayer 2 жыл бұрын
​@@idontlikekiwi Yes exactly! In the second episode when Rory almost switches schools after she meets Dean, Lorelei gets angry at her and Rory tries avoiding it at first but eventually has to deal with her mother and talk it out. Compare this to later in the show when Lorelei gets mad at Rory for dropping out and she just goes straight to her grandparents and avoids dealing with her mother altogether. In beginning of the show Rory was more willing to listen to her mother, or at least talk it out with her, when her mother disciplined her. Of course I'm not saying Lorelei didn't contribute to the problem a little bit due to her grudge against her parents. In those rare instances Emily and Richard did get mad at Rory for something, she could run to her mother who'd defend her against them. Heck, Lorelei and Emily sometimes blamed each other for Rory's actions without Rory's involvement, like when they found out Rory accidentally fell asleep overnight with Dean after a party and they assumed the worst. While they're both angry at her, Emily immediately pushes Lorelei's buttons by telling her that Rory is going to turn out like she is and blaming the entire situation on her, which raises Lorelei's defenses and makes her far more angry at her mother then she was at her daughter. Of course in this case Rory really hadn't done anything, but it'd telling how by the time Lorelei sits Rory down to talk with her, Lorelei's instead more pensive and worrying that if she punishes Rory then she's acting like her mom.
@pallasxo9936
@pallasxo9936 3 жыл бұрын
Your voice is so soothing
@trinitytay430
@trinitytay430 3 жыл бұрын
thanks hahaha
@doineedanid
@doineedanid 2 жыл бұрын
i feel like lorelai was way better at being a mom than at being a daughter
@Dana-gk6ui
@Dana-gk6ui 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think there’s a specific way to be a daughter tho she was herself and her parents didn’t like how she turned out being a good daughter depends on the parents really
@LittleDogTobi
@LittleDogTobi 2 жыл бұрын
Lorelai's parents habitually said the wackest shit to her in the show. I love Emily as a character but would *hate* to have her as a mother.
@Jughstice
@Jughstice 2 жыл бұрын
Very excited to see an Emily Gilmore video. My favorite Gilmore for sure. But also probably the most chaotic energy to unpack
@trinitytay430
@trinitytay430 2 жыл бұрын
I’m so nervous to make that video but I’m going to start doing some research for it!!!
@freesimorgh
@freesimorgh 2 жыл бұрын
I think the problem is that a lot of people see the show as being about Rory growing up but I think it's about Lorelai growing up and becoming a success story despite being a teen mom.
@golddvstwomvn
@golddvstwomvn 2 жыл бұрын
The only time I ever truly felt like Lorelei was making a big mistake as a mother was when Lindsey and her mother ran into she and Rory in the town square, and Lindsey’s mother lit into Rory about the affair, and Lorelei defended her. Rory needed to hear that, even if it was unpleasant, in order to understand that she can’t do or have whatever she wants without consequences. And other than that confrontation, she ran from it until everything was settled so she never did face true consequences for her part in destroying a marriage. Was she alone in doing so? Certainly not, but she held a big part in it and she deserved to learn a lesson for it, because Dean certainly did. But Lorelei protected her in the one moment that might’ve given Rory a reason to understand that what she had done was wrong, that she had hurt a lot of people and she essentially tore apart a marriage. The frustrating thing about that scene is that Lindsey’s mother essentially said very similar things to what Lorelei said when she saw Dean leaving and realized that Rory had slept with him. But Lorelei never said anything after that, and she protected her from anyone else who did, which then made Rory think it was all sunshine and roses to go and do it again when the revival came around, and she had an affair with Logan.
@noel2223
@noel2223 2 жыл бұрын
Amen. Rory literally cheated on or with every boyfriend she had in the shows. She cheated with Dean and Logan and she cheated on Dean and on Paul as a cheap gag. Honestly I low key feel like it might come from Lorelei’s lack of ability to commit genuinely to any relationship and she does the same back and forth thing with men. She called Christopher at her bachelorette party, she slept with him after she broke up with Luke, etc. She strung Christopher and Luke along pretty much the whole show as backup plans including with each other.
@kaiohhai8812
@kaiohhai8812 2 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate this take on Lorelai because I will fight people to the death defending her lmao. I 100% believe that Rorys downfall had far more to do with becoming more involved with her grandparents than it being Lorelais failures as a mom. Rory became more entitled when she started having easy money come her way and seeing how Emily and Richard behaved. Emily and Richard made Lorelai feel like an alien in her own home, and she never once did that to Rory. But Rory would run to her grandparents to get her out of every situation so she didn't have to deal with the consequences. I watched this show in my late 20s so I ended up relating more to Lorelai than I did Rory so I think it was easy for me to see all of Rorys screw ups and where they were really coming from. I think its easier to understand why Lorelai acts the way she does when you lived a similar situation. I would have given anything to have a mom like her.
@sookiegirl8707
@sookiegirl8707 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a Gilmore Girls fanatic. You did a great job describing Lorelai etc❤️
@trinitytay430
@trinitytay430 2 жыл бұрын
thank you!
@alaharon1233
@alaharon1233 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of people watch the show for Rory, but to me, Lorelai is the relatable and aspirational character
@Dana-gk6ui
@Dana-gk6ui 2 жыл бұрын
I only watch it for lor
@keaganshiva3323
@keaganshiva3323 2 жыл бұрын
Great points! I've always found that Lorelai was one of the only constants(or at least more consistent when compared to Rory) in the show. This might come down to Lorelai being older and in some cases more mature. Throughout the show Lorelai never came across as unreasonable. And whenever she did, there was some motive to the decision. I think you’re spot on when discussing Lorelai as a great role model and mother. As a mother she had her flaws, but mostly did a good job in supporting Rory and nudging her on the right track. But her true flaws were prominent whenever she was in an argument with Emily. Yes, characters need flaws, that’s what makes them relatable or at least realistic, and that’s fine. But in the later seasons of the show, after various character arks, developments and plot points were reaching their closures, the one issue that never truly got resolved was Lorelai’s relationship with Emily. I couldn’t help but feel the writers we’re manufacturing conflicts. Nothing seemed natural, neither human behavior nor decision making seemed to be the right choice. Lorelai always wanted to punish Emily. And sure, I could see why Lorelai would feel that way. But sometimes I could audibly hear the writers running into a dead end behind the lines of dialogue between Lorelai and Emily. Most of the arguments between them felt disconnected with their personalities(this could be down to the fact that they bring out the worst in each other and that’s fair) and was borderline superfluous. This direction in Lorelai and Emily’s development was my only issue that I couldn’t help but disconnect me from the immersion of the story. The writers wanted a conflict, and an argument between Lorelai and Emily was a solution for that. But focusing on the topics of your video, you’re absolutely right. Lorelai was a wonderful mother, and that was evident with the way she conducted herself to others especially to Rory and the people who accepted her with open arms despite her quirky behaviors.
@trinitytay430
@trinitytay430 2 жыл бұрын
you are so right about how the arguments between them were just to generate conflict!!! lorelai sure knew how to hold a grudge and so did Emily!
@sailormoon6842
@sailormoon6842 2 жыл бұрын
I agree specially about the writers running into dead ends! I think after season 5 or 4 you can reaaaaaallly notice the change with the writers, the last 3 season were not so good imo to put it nicely
@gabrielacanette5485
@gabrielacanette5485 3 жыл бұрын
She was a good mon but I didnt like when she excused her daughter affair whit a married man in FRONT of the wife and mother of the wife.... like... SHE was the victim god! NOT Rory, but still she manage to paint her like that when they were in total right to be upset whit Rory, and was so wtf because until that moment she was doing the things right confronting rory about the affair.
@mina1085
@mina1085 3 жыл бұрын
yes I agree, I understand protecting your daughter and such but Rory was 100% in the wrong here.
@indigop1233
@indigop1233 2 жыл бұрын
if you ask me, i think that it wasn't about excusing her daughter's bad behavior in front of strangers, it was about not letting rory alone in this conflict and also about keeping their disagreement private. I don't think she wanted strangers to know that she was mad at her daughter. when i was younger, even though i had messed up, my mom would lecture me in private but never in front of other people because of privacy reasons and stuff. So I don't think that it's wrong what she did.
@mirandad.g3964
@mirandad.g3964 2 жыл бұрын
she didn’t excuse her actions, she firmly disagreed with them, but she wasn’t going to allow them to attack her
@r_saccount77
@r_saccount77 2 жыл бұрын
it was clear that she disagreed with that Rory did. but as a mother she couldn't let people attack her daughter on the street, things needs to be handled privately.
@attorney_rosa
@attorney_rosa 2 жыл бұрын
I disagree with you. First lorelai DID confronted rory. For that time lorelai defended rory in front of lindsay's mom, it's mother instinct to protect her children eventhough her children did something wrong. protecting rory does not mean she approves her behaviour
@definitelynotjodie4663
@definitelynotjodie4663 2 жыл бұрын
One thing i noticed is that both loralai and rory hate confrontations. The expect that if they avoid the situation it would work out on itself. Spoilers For example, the last episodes of season 1 where loralai was supposed to mary max. She didnt actually love him and instead of sitting and talking with him, she ran away with rory
@mariak9397
@mariak9397 2 жыл бұрын
I love that you point out the positiv aspects of Lorelei. In my opinion you are also right with all the flaws you mentioned and all the issues of Lorelei. What I REALLY don't like is that Emily and Richard or Lorelei are constantly blamed for Loreleis or Rorys behaviour and mistakes. Yes their upbringing was not perfect BUT they are both 30+ years old. Rory in the revival and Lorelei in all Seasons. A person of 30+ can't always blame their upbringing. We need to fix our issues and for that we need to own them.
@trinitytay430
@trinitytay430 2 жыл бұрын
True!
@aubreydeangelo
@aubreydeangelo 2 жыл бұрын
100% Can't blame Lorelai for all Rory's mistakes. Especially when Lorelai disagreed with a lot of Rory's mistakes. Yknow, except the cheating on Paul thing 🙃
@noel2223
@noel2223 2 жыл бұрын
YES!! I know people in their late 20s/30s that do this and at a certain point just go to therapy and work your stuff out. I honestly think if Lorelei actually bothered working on herself instead of projecting her problems everywhere else the show would have been so much more appealing. They had the exact same problems in season 1 as season 7
@mariak9397
@mariak9397 2 жыл бұрын
@@noel2223 so true. In the revival in my opinion Lorelei was even less mature and less observant of her parents and their feelings. It still hurts me, that Lorelei couldn't think of one happy memory with her dad. To my mind came the graduation of Rory in Yale. That was a very sweet moment.
@noel2223
@noel2223 2 жыл бұрын
@@mariak9397 I think that Lorelei and Rory both paint Emily and Richard to be exponentially worse than they actually were especially considering how many favors they did for them. Like if I was getting hundreds of thousands of dollars (between Chilton and Yale) just for going to a DINNER once a week I would suck it up and be as nice as I could be. They absolutely did some terrible things, but so did Lorelei and Rory. They also always helped in any way they could and for the most part they were never really malicious, they were just trying to do what they thought was best. And I completely agree about her character regressing in AYITL. My girl is pushing 50 and is still acting like a teenager. It was more understandable when she was 32 but man it was painful to watch in the revival
@elzooduck3440
@elzooduck3440 2 жыл бұрын
I think the way she's stuck in her 16 year old mindset is why Christopher stays with her for so long, she always just wants the dream she had with him and keeps the emotions she had towards him. This is why in s7 when they get married it is a good thing (brave for me to say I know) because she has finally realised the way that he only fits into her 16 year old dream life not her life as it turned outed hence he isn't the man for her. This means that she can fully commit to Luke and FINALLY put Christopher in her past where he belongs
@Sathtana
@Sathtana 2 жыл бұрын
Lorelai reminds me so much of my own mom. Her and I had a long conversation about the show, and I mentioned that every time I watch it, there's a part of me that wishes that I could have had that relationship with her. She told me that she actually thought about it, and the older I get, and the more I think about it, I think I would have turned out a much healthier, happier man. As opposed to the depressed and closed off man I am today. I actually lived a very similar childhood to Lorelai, because my grandparents are upper middle class, distant, and hyper judgmental to my life and the way I turned out. Only until I moved out and made the move in with my now fiance, did they finally accept that I will be and do whatever I feel is right for me. I'm doing a lot better, but there's still a hole in my heart that longs for the relationship I never got with my mom. Lorelai is my favorite fictional mother, not for the way she acts or treats the people around her, but because she's the mother my mom would have been, had she been given the chance.
@pinkrhino223
@pinkrhino223 2 жыл бұрын
Ok fine I’ll watch the entire series for the third time lol
@aryastark6644
@aryastark6644 2 жыл бұрын
Lol you needed an excuse? J/k I’m logging in to Netflix
@Robert-cy3qx
@Robert-cy3qx 2 жыл бұрын
such incredible analysis! thank you so much for sharing this! I love you, beautiful soul
@sierracase5515
@sierracase5515 2 жыл бұрын
I say it on every video but this show did such a good job showing realistic human flaws. There is no perfect mom. While we can acknowledge how her childhood impacted her adult struggles, it doesn’t excuse her own responsibility for adult mistakes. Just like how we can see that her choices did impact Rory, Rory is still responsible for her own mistakes. I think most people can relate to having lifelong challenges that we’ve been dealing with since childhood and probably always will struggle with, but in my opinion, the real mark of maturity is being able to acknowledge your parents role in that without blaming them or making excuses, or hating your parents for just being human like the rest of us.
@gritxx
@gritxx 2 жыл бұрын
I also think you should do a video on Emily. Throughout most of the series, we only really saw Lorelai's POV of her mother. Lorelai, and the show doesn't highlight the good qualities that she has. She's involved, she's deeply devoted to Richard, she works hard to make sure that Rory is taken care of when she goes to Chilton (however, she does make some mistakes and acts in her own self interest). But truthfully, I don't think Lorelai gives her mother much credit. Lorelai is a strong woman, and so is her mother. They had completely different lives, but to me, the fact is, although Emily was controlling and manipulative, she just wanted the best for her daughter, even though each Gilmore girl had their own definition of it.
@novkalp21185
@novkalp21185 2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree
@haleyadamic
@haleyadamic 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. One thing about Emily that a lot of people might not like about her was her controlling aspect when it came to premarital sex. I don't appreciate her actions on that, but to be fair, her intentions were good and she tried to stop Lorelei from having sex too early, but obviously that didn't work and then goes over the top with Rory. For part of her actions, she came from a different time where that kind of behavior was learned and probably how she was taught. And she had reason to be fearful. There were times her behavior was just over the top, my biggest issue is how they treated Luke of course. I just feel like Luke deserves a big hug...
@JustAPrayer
@JustAPrayer 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I think Emily has good qualities and there are clearly times when she means well and shows she has a heart, but she still taught Lorelei how to treat her by example. Emily is dismissive of Lorelei attempts to be an adult, undermines her authority constantly, and is often rude about her life choices, so Lorelei reacts by behaving the same way towards her mom about her life. The problem is both women just can’t do what ironically Lane and Mrs Kim ended up doing, loosening their standards and accepting each other the way they are
@jadatraugh467
@jadatraugh467 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve always felt that Rory and Lorelei had more of a best friend relationship.
@myMelodyj
@myMelodyj 2 жыл бұрын
She literally says her and Rory are best friends before mother and daughters
@laliayala
@laliayala 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Finally the analysis Lorelai deserves ❤ Thank you!!!!!!
@godsiero2290
@godsiero2290 2 жыл бұрын
i love lorelei and i agree she gets better at talking to people about her problems as she gets older, i mean, look at how she dealt with max vs how she dealt with luke
@kaileighq7187
@kaileighq7187 2 жыл бұрын
I think Lorelei did her best and was a great mother. I think her main problem is that at times she over praises Rory for things, the same way everyone else does. I think for Lorelei she wanted to give Rory the emotional support she never got and it really only backfired bc Rory was viewed by everyone as perfect and everyone told her that.
@IDontWantThisStupidHandle
@IDontWantThisStupidHandle 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen several (all interesting) video essays on Rory, but you are the first I've seen to truly tackle the (just as interesting, if not more so at times) character of Lorelai. :) everyone else I've seen try just focused on the surface, or misunderstood her character. Nice video!
@akanksau
@akanksau 2 жыл бұрын
I love this video essay! So well thought out. It's like you put all of my thoughts into a video :)
@PhoebeVictoriaa
@PhoebeVictoriaa 2 жыл бұрын
the love lorelai has for rory is incredible.
@35yoglenmckenna31
@35yoglenmckenna31 2 жыл бұрын
i really love that even though lorelai didn't get therapy or didn't really adressed her traumas she still was a great mother and didn't pass on the abuse
@tanchuanen7913
@tanchuanen7913 25 күн бұрын
That's the scary thing about parenthood. You never know how your child will turn out. Yes, Lorelai has her flaws and i do think she enabled and encouraged some of Rory's bad behaviour but she did the best she could with what she had. It was her first time being a mum, and a teenage mum at that but she worked hard to provide for Rory and did quite well for herself
@cellopella5548
@cellopella5548 2 жыл бұрын
despite any of her flaws, lorelai was and forever will be my favorite character ( along with jess)
@cadiiiiii
@cadiiiiii 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this video a lot and have been waiting for someone to do one like this! I personally know Lorelai is my favorite character because we’ve gone through basically the same thing. My father isn’t rich, but he does unrealistically high standards and doesn’t let me be who I really am. Emily is very emotionally abusive and gaslights Lorelai a lot. This is why Lorelai is so much like her because of the trauma she’s endured and hasn’t sat to process her emotions. Lorelai does get on my nerves, but I really like her.
@reneeg4817
@reneeg4817 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you my daughter and I were Rory and Lorali. We had our uos and downs but. I was a single mom with 2 at home.. So it was hard. But I did it.. And with no ones help.. My ex never paid me child support for my 2nd child at home.. Lots of struggling. I worked 2 jobs. So its possible. I am thankful for Gilmore Girls we watched it like clockwork. I wasn't a perfect mother either. None of us are.. But I did my best.. Thank u.. She had a rough up bringing.
@carlathompson9308
@carlathompson9308 2 жыл бұрын
Lorelai I applaud her for making life better for rory by making sacrifices for her education but at 16 she made some pretty poor choices for rory excluding chris from parenting running away from home to live in a shed. She didn't have to do that her parents were helping her child be safe and secure at 16 decides to risk that for her child by running away to live in a shed and working as a maid. That us exceedingly irresponsible. If I were I'd graciously accept my parents help and as supportk for advice wisdom go to college and make a better life for my child and encourage my child's dad to be actively involved. Lorelai granted she is 16 at the time lackes wisdom and needed to be humble and think ahead
@rcrame14
@rcrame14 3 жыл бұрын
i love your gilmore girls videos so much
@tinasilva4742
@tinasilva4742 2 жыл бұрын
I WILL FOREVER LOVE HER
@danicaxpearl
@danicaxpearl 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE LORELAI !!!! even though she has her lapses,,,, i think all the good things she does for not only rory but to everyone around her outweighs it soooooo much !!! she's like the mediator everywhere she goes,,, stars hollow neighbors, town meetings, even in rory's relationships! i just love her soooo much. to think that even when she felt imprisoned by her parents, she still turned out to be such a good person anda great adult who most people adore and have the best sense of humor !!!!! 💛💛💛💛
@Ella-fv4hm
@Ella-fv4hm 2 жыл бұрын
This is a very well done video, great job!!
@ayushikhetan9012
@ayushikhetan9012 2 жыл бұрын
Lorelei punished Rory when Rory made a mistake. I don't think that the fact that she trusted her own daughter was wrong. Rory was a good child most of the times and Lolerai didn't want to be like her own mother. Rory's downfall is not only Lorelai's mistake but everyone who always thought that Rory cannot be outsmarted by anyone. I still remember when Rory slept with Dean even when she was married Lorelai called out on that and said that her daughter wouldn't blame the wife for that. She held Rory accountable for many things and trued her best to show Rory that she will love and support her no matter what she becomes
@Black_White6438
@Black_White6438 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE THIS SHOW!!
@blatherskitenoir
@blatherskitenoir 2 жыл бұрын
Lorelai inherited her mother's exactingly high standards, and her grandmother's extreme inability to ever bend or compromise. If something is not exactly what she wants in the exact way she wants it, she does not want it at all and then tends to blow it up or ruin the thing she does not want. This shows up again and again. A very blunt example would be when she is on a date with Jason Stiles and he reserved a private room for them in the restaurant. She can't stand that the date isn't exactly what she wants (she wants to be out in the very loud and boisterous main dining) that she ruins the entire date and makes Jason feel like crap. This also happens a lot with Sookie and Michelle, when they don't fulfill her vision of how things should go at the inn, when Rory decides to go to Yale, rather than Harvard, with Lorelai's inability to compromise on her house, even when it blatantly doesn't work for her new family situation, and her relationship with Luke. Rory has learned to give way to her mother, and Emily is forced to similarly compromise her standards and expectations to keep Lorelai around, though Lorelai constantly tries to ruin that relationship as well, since Emily is not exactly what Lorelai wants at all times. Lorelai gets along with Luke because Luke gives way to Lorelai at nearly all times, making whatever adjustments she wants, and does not mind when Lorelai implies he is dumb or ignorant. The one time Luke does not give Lorelai what she wants, she breaks up with him and sleeps with her ex.
@itseggnog2077
@itseggnog2077 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything you said except for Lorelai and Emily. Lorelai apologizes for so much that isn't her fault to Emily just to keep Emily in her life. Emily's the one making their relationship impossible, not Lorelai.
@noel2223
@noel2223 2 жыл бұрын
@@itseggnog2077 They both do it. They’re both too proud and too stubborn and unwilling to compromise. Lorelei was not what Emily wanted for a daughter and Emily was not what Lorelei wanted out of a mother and they both took it out on each other. The most ironic thing in the show is that despite Lorelei trying to be the perfect mother and being the opposite of her mother by being Rory’s best friend instead of a grown up, Rory ended up spiraling in college because she was never able to be the kid.
@itseggnog2077
@itseggnog2077 2 жыл бұрын
@@noel2223 I agree with your opinion on the Lorelai and Rory thing, but all Lorelai wanted was a mother who didn't judge her every waking moment and expect her to be perfect all the time. That wasn't Lorelai expecting too much out of her mother, that's her wanting the basics of a loving mother. And Lorelai compromised her emotions too much and often let Emily treat her like crap because she craved that motherly love so much and thought that if she just kept trying that Emily would eventually be able to give that to her.
@glitteryxcal571
@glitteryxcal571 2 жыл бұрын
While lorelai wasnt perfect, she was an overall good mother: she created an open communication channel between rory and her, and thats something mothers tend to not do, she was always open to listen to her daughter and support her, she trusted rory like no one and balanced the whole "mom-best friend" thing. My mom often wants to talk to me about whats going on with me and i automatically shut her out cause i know how she'll, the thing with lorelai was that she waited for rory to tell her stuff, encouraged her to do that. It always made me mad when rory wouldnt tell her something, it only created problems.
@ishwaaq191
@ishwaaq191 2 жыл бұрын
One thing that annoyed me about Lorelai was that she relied on Rory being the decision-maker, and almost parent, the majority of the time and I feel like this was because she was born in a strict household.I feel like she had to fend for herself and Rory whilst Rory was growing up but once Rory turned 16, she kind of took a step back and Rory was expected to be the responsible one, despite Lorelai being the adult. Additionally, I don't think Lorelai realizes the privilege she had growing up, like I understand that she went through a tough childhood but at the same time if it wasn't for her parents, Rory wouldn't have also been afforded the same schooling as Lorelai
@charlottedrcleary4358
@charlottedrcleary4358 2 жыл бұрын
Great video!! I would love to see your analysis on Emily’s character. Kelly Bishop is my queen.
@lelec6923
@lelec6923 2 жыл бұрын
the truth is parenting is the hardest thing ever. you could be a good person and a good parent but your kids could still not turn out to be good people, and you could still fail them
@Lunaa2209
@Lunaa2209 2 жыл бұрын
She’s my fav character I adore i just want to hug her and listen to her
@soledasilva7455
@soledasilva7455 2 жыл бұрын
as much as emily and richard weren't the perfect parents, at a certain point lorelai needs to grow up and realize that it might just be herself making these mistakes (if that makes sense). she complains about her mother but repeatedly does not communicate, and pushes their buttons on purpose. lorelai is a good character and there are so many good things about her but you can't push all the bad away.
@not-a-ghost2206
@not-a-ghost2206 2 жыл бұрын
I think its a balance. Yes, you need to adress your own flaws as they are. Your internalised thoughts, no matter who said them first, are, after all, YOUR thoughts. BUT its also important to know where the trigger lies. So e.g., if lorelai notices that she becomes more aggressive after meeting with emily -thats not blaming, thats accepting. And there is a big difference. Only emily and Richard take it the wrong way, because they are the ones who manipulate and gaslight. Also with pushing the buttons-honestly i think thats the case with every parent child relationship. There is always change and responsibility. You want to be adressed as an adult and you own up to your rights. Also, lorelai never truly admitted her trauma, so she couldn't fully admitted her flaws in conflict and other either.
@loralei1338
@loralei1338 2 жыл бұрын
This is super random and I usually don't comment on stuff but my mother named me loralei (a more "unique" spelling of lorelai which is a major inconvenience bc people often spell it wrong) and I always hated my name until I understood where it came from. Watching Gilmore Girls for the first time was euphoric because I had never felt so connected to a show or characters before and that feeling made me develop a strong love for my name. I also found it interesting that rory (also named lorelai) and I have very similar outer personalities and lorelai shares my deepest personality traits which likely comes from us experiencing similar childhoods. And this is cheesy but sometimes I feel like the it's like some star aligned fate type of shit that I happened to be given this beautiful name that's attached to characters who are so close to my heart and who happen to be in such a funny, intelligent, comforting, and inspiring artistry of a tv show. Anywayyy, nice video lol :)
@mayara1203
@mayara1203 2 жыл бұрын
is it bad that i want to be like her when i grow up? i want to be a mom like this but every time i watch a video about Lorelai there is always comments about how much trust, love and support she gave to Rory, as a daughter I’d love to have this kind of relationship with my mom or even with my future daughter. Even tho the comments can make me double check about it i truly dont find Lorelai’s actions excessive. But i do have a lot to learn so please guide me so I don’t make a lot of mistakes in the future.
@MsJubjubbird
@MsJubjubbird 2 жыл бұрын
I like Lorelai but Lorelai doesn't punish Rory effectively though. She just argues with her and yells. But Rory never loses out on anything or suffers real consequences. Lorelai even said to Emily "we're best friends first" , which is not what you want. Her ob is a parent then a friend. Nor does Lorelai ever try and work with her parents to parent Rory consistently so Rory can't play them against each other to get her own way. I mean she sleeps with Dean and gets a trip to Europe from her grandmother as a reward.
@ichigoamehane1373
@ichigoamehane1373 2 жыл бұрын
My friends used to be so jealous of my mam, said I was allowed so much freedom and could do anything I wanted, that I was so lucky etc. My mother was always told no as a child& had a terrible childhood, so she wanted to say yes to as many of my wishes as possible. I got to do a lot and have a lot of experiences, but my mother had clear and firm boundaries and rules, and although they weren’t mentioned a lot I knew never to mess with them. She is, in my opinion, actually quite strict. But she trusted me to do everything responsibly and by the rules, so it looked as if I could do whatever I wanted and everyone thought she was really cool. I think lorelai does the same, she has rules and boundaries put in place but they don’t have to be mentioned because of the trusting she and Rory have.
@mayhit
@mayhit 2 жыл бұрын
Lorelai is a GREAT mother, imo, and strong as hell. Plus, she actually feels like a real person to me, more than the majority of characters do. I just don't have any patience for people who obviously WANT to see the worst in her. They can think what they want, but I'm just not here for it. I say this as someone who is nothing like Lorelai (but would genuinely benefit from being more like her tbh). My respect and appreciation for the character has only grown over time, and is at its peak now that I'm the age she was when the show began.
@user-ob6ww2xn5z
@user-ob6ww2xn5z 2 жыл бұрын
I agree! She was such a good mom because her relationship with Rory is way better than other mother daughter relationships in the show. And I mean she was only 16 having her so I think she did pretty good.
@noel2223
@noel2223 2 жыл бұрын
Rory had a lot of trauma from having to be the grown up in their dynamic which really came out in the later seasons. She was never able to be the child because Lorelei was emotionally stunted and always retained the mannerisms of a child/teenager. As someone who is 22 and restarting from season 1, she was a full decade older than me at the beginning of the show and acts younger than her 16 year old daughter. She is entertaining enough to watch, but far from someone to aspire towards being like. If you’re still in your 30s and blaming everything on your parents, you just need therapy.
@mayhit
@mayhit 2 жыл бұрын
@@noel2223 Disagree. She did everything a parent needs to do for their child. She was never irresponsible or flakey in her parenting of Rory, she almost always put Rory's needs first, she was supportive, she set boundaries when needed and was flexible when it was appropriate. The fact that she managed to be a great parent while also having fun and being her child's friend as well as her mother is, if anything, a further testament to how great of a parent she actually was. You seem to be mistaking a peppy and fun-loving demeanor for immaturity. They aren't remotely synonymous. Lorelei was young at heart, and she could be flaky and awkward in her romantic relationships, but she was remarkably mature when it came to her responsibilities as a parent and a professional.
@noel2223
@noel2223 2 жыл бұрын
@@mayhit No parent does everything right but her and Rory are a textbook example of a codependent relationship which is just another form of toxic parenting. Your best friend is not supposed to be your child (which Rory was). Your child is not supposed to be who the parent goes to with their problems (which Lorelei did). For some people, they have a spouse or a close friend or pretty much anyone other than your child to go to for things. Rory was a victim of parentification and just because Lorelei didn’t intend for that to happen doesn’t mean it didn’t. I’m not saying she didn’t care for or love Rory because she clearly did but that’s not what it takes to be a parent. Literally in the first season she was whining about getting ice cream as though she were not fully capable of doing that herself while Rory was supposed to be studying for an exam and Rory even told her she was acting like a 4 year old. That is far from a “normal” or “healthy” parent-child relationship. The people I know who are having the worst time adjusting to post-high school/college years are those who had parents who wanted to be their friend and not their parent. Every parenting psychology textbook will say that is one of the worst things you can do for your child’s development is have fuzzy boundaries which they always had. You can show kindness, compassion, and support to a child without being their best friend and it is extremely inappropriate to do that to a child before they’re an adult.
@mayhit
@mayhit 2 жыл бұрын
@@noel2223 We clearly disagree on this. We are clearly viewing Lorelei's actions and characteristics through extremely different lenses. And we also clearly disagree on what is and is not good parenting. We are both, of course, entitled to our opinions. But I'm not really interested in engaging with you on the matter. It feels destined to be both fruitless and pointless all around.
@mikanbunny1547
@mikanbunny1547 2 жыл бұрын
lorelai didnt want to raise rory the way she was raised so she did the complete opposite. i think a lot of mothers who do this forget that there needs to be a healthy balance
@KarishmaChanglani
@KarishmaChanglani 2 жыл бұрын
While Lorelai was a flawed person and not a ‘perfect’ mother. Saying that Lorelai never disciplined Rory is bollocks. Whenever Rory made a huge mistake Lorelai was the first to call her out. When Rory was stringing Dean along, Lorelei was the first to tell her to make up her mind. When Rory was taking criticism too personally Lorelai is the first person to tell her not to do that, even if Rory didn’t listen. Lorelai called out Rory cheating with Dean AND dropping out of Yale. Lorelai even stopped talking to Rory and reached out to Emily and Richard when Rory dropped out of Yale. I think the places where Lorelai failed with Rory was never being able to teach Rory communication skills because she herself hadn’t developed it yet. But she is a person, and her flaws obviously affected her parenting. But Lorelai was a very involved, dedicated mother that gave her daughter space when she needed and never demanded anything of her daughter except her own happiness.
@marvanessa
@marvanessa Жыл бұрын
i loved it! i9 personally think she is an amazing mom and she could be easy a few but shes an amazing mom!!
@theboo1281
@theboo1281 2 жыл бұрын
they also only mention this like once, but for the first 5 years of rory's life they lived in the storage shed at the independence inn that must have been a lot for a 16 year old with a privileged background and a child to deal with
@xenwillow1971
@xenwillow1971 Жыл бұрын
YOU LITERALLY EXPLAINED MY OPINION ON THIS SO GREAT!!, like thats what I've been saying i know that Lorelai had her moment which caused rory to copy but ya'll need to understand she was so young when had rory, so she was bound to stay in a "immature" kind of personality as a way to re-live her childhood the way she needed and wanted. And also! she thought not scolding rory so much or letting her off easy was right bc she was sooo used to emily being manipulative and a gaslighter and she didn't want that with rory, she had a good intention she just didn't know how to execute it properly
@alejandrahurtado6887
@alejandrahurtado6887 2 ай бұрын
I just love Lorelai, best character ever ❤
@lamia_im
@lamia_im 2 жыл бұрын
omg i love this
@thomgoblin8725
@thomgoblin8725 2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much for making this video. i consider lorelai a flawed but significant role model in my own life, as someone who disentangled herself from a toxic, privileged family dynamic and figured out how to build a good life. she is so much more complex than people give her credit for.
@podvodoynierusalka
@podvodoynierusalka 2 жыл бұрын
I love your Gilmore Girls analyses. Do you have any plan on doing more ?
@ericajoym21
@ericajoym21 2 жыл бұрын
i love her
@ecstaticryan4369
@ecstaticryan4369 2 жыл бұрын
Something I’ve always admired about Lorelai is that she chose to leave behind loads of wealth and the potential to have money be no object so she could live her own life, which is pretty ballsy. She chose to march to the beat of her own drum because life’s more fun that way and she wanted to work hard and do it on her terms which I %110 respect
@meghansullivan6812
@meghansullivan6812 2 жыл бұрын
love this nuance
@adalovelace521
@adalovelace521 2 жыл бұрын
love your channel
@lillitaft9195
@lillitaft9195 2 жыл бұрын
i started watching this show and got my mom into it and after two episodes we realized the whole family is literally our family but the gilmore’s are rich (even lorelei, she’s just high middle class idc how much they try to convince us she’s poor)
@aubreydeangelo
@aubreydeangelo 2 жыл бұрын
Lorelai (as I got older) is my favorite character. *Cue the Reba theme song.* Lorelai is a fighter, hardworking and knows what she wants. She does flub up relationships a lot. I think this video got it spot on, but Lorelai IMO is a great mother. Yes she was immature with Rory but when we meet them in season 1 she makes sure for the serious stuff like money issues or boyfriend stuff, she keeps Rory out of it. I think Lorelai didn't punish Rory bc that's how her parents treated her and she knew being open was better than scolding. Rory struggles bc she was a smarty pants from a small town who grew up to be a small fish in a big pond.
@luciaagostini
@luciaagostini Жыл бұрын
I think lorelai is also a great example of the “mom best friend”. I think at times she can be a little immature and not only that, but there’s no boundaries in her relationship with rory. I think that still, she is great mom, because at the same time, she wasn’t raised with a mom she can have to lean on or have a fun relationship. overall, lorelai is just trying, just like all moms, and raised rory so right, she will always be my fave and will defend her always
@charlenel.748
@charlenel.748 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with this entire thing.. Lorelai had a lot of growing up to do /alone/ and she often had to comfort her inner child along side comforting her actual child... it's overwhelming and she flawed but she doesn't really act like she's perfect either. she's very aware of her flaws
@manugallas7304
@manugallas7304 2 жыл бұрын
OMG YES! I agree with every single word you said. If someone asks me my opinion about Lorelai I'll just show them this video!
@meredithking5220
@meredithking5220 6 күн бұрын
I think one of my favorite parenting moments from Lorelai is when Rory and Lane sneak off somewhere and lie to Mrs. Kim about it. Lorelai is alright with Lane coming over and living like them while she’s at the Gilmore house, but she understands how horrifying it is for a mom not to know where her child is and states that she wouldn’t have lied for the girls if they’d told her the truth. I just really like some of her boundaries as a “cool mom.”
@anene4914
@anene4914 2 жыл бұрын
My relationship to my mother is like lorelai and rory. She treated me as an equal and would share things with me like I was her friend, not her child. We were like best friends but I can see how that's not always good. She was sharing things that was too mature for me sometimes and the fact that I could hang out with my mom instead of friends made me not pursue kids my age to socialize. I'm not good at making friends.
@kira-cd6og
@kira-cd6og 2 жыл бұрын
rly good video bruh
@Blakesummer
@Blakesummer 2 жыл бұрын
I will NOT be standing for any Lorelai slander
@spiderdog07
@spiderdog07 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you decide to make more Gilmore Girls content in the future. I do wonder how you feel about the romantic interests? Are you a fan of Luke, Digger or Christopher? (Christopher actually has supporters) Maybe because I'm a guy or I'm older but when I rewatch GG, I tend to skip over the Rory stories and just watch Lorelai's stories. They are just more interesting to me than the drama of Chilton or the Life and Death Brigade....... less said about them the better.
@trinitytay430
@trinitytay430 2 жыл бұрын
Weirdly enough, I was never that invested in lorelai’s relationships- I always felt like she should be with Luke, though. I was NEVER a fan of Christopher!! he annoyed me sooo much.
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