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Shy says Sanguinius is dead, yet I just now saw him and several of my 9th legion brothers going to fight the archtraitor Horus. Checkmate, traitors.

"Its too late Dad ,I have alredy depicted you as a soyjack and myself as a chad, that means that am right and you are wrong." -Lorgar after worshiping chaos

The best word to describe Lorgar is Mercurial. Guilliman said, "He is so...changeable. He is so prone to extremes. Eager to please, so quick to take offence. He's so keen to be your best friend, and then, at the slightest hint of an insult, he's angry with you. Furious. Offended. Like a child."

Fun fact: The quote "The difference between gods and daemons largely depends upon where one is standing at the time." is actually spoken by Argel Tal to Lorgar who liked it so much that he wrote it into his other book (the one about worshipping Chaos) and it ended up being attributed to Lorgar.

I've always loved the fact that Lorgar is described as actually looking like the Emperor's Son. The First Heretic, the true Chosen of Chaos, and he bears the God Emperor's own face.

It’s a fun parallel that the two rival legions, the Ultramarines and the Word Bearers, both have books that are regarded as sacrosanct, both containing the words of their respective Primarchs, yet wildly different in message. A very interesting set of parallels.

TONITE ON HERETIC GEAR:Bricky converts a hive world into a chaos cult, DK gets executed by the inquisition and Shy gets possessed by the powers of Mork and Gork

Guilliman wasn't the fastest at taking planets, but he didn't have to wait to restock on supplies and men because he had such good supply lines.

Kor Phaeron is the luckiest character in 40k. He found the *only* Primarch who would put up with his bullshit. Alpharius or Omegon would have allowed him to live for a while just to fuck with him more, but any other Primarch would have beaten him into a bloody pudding the moment he showed up.

“You did it, Lorgar. You defeated me. *cough…* You really are the first heretic.”

Honestly the most hilariously interesting story I've heard on Lorgar is when he discovers a cult worshipping the Emperor in Ultramar and gets the very words he used to preach, preached right back at him. And Lorgar realizes what the Imperium is turning into and decides to have his own personal war against what is going to become the Imperial Creed, and finds it hilariously ironic that the cult existed under Guilliman's nose.

"He's shown more compassion than other primarchs, besides maybe Magnus..." Flashbacks to Magnus watching his people die, only to act just before his libraries are burned...

Lorgar honestly sometimes feel like the "final boss" of the daemon Primarchs. He was worshipping the chaos gods from the very start, he and Erebus was the ones that started the Horus heresy, he is the main reason why the imperium has become so fanatical, unlike all the other daemon primarchs that had their own goals/motivations Lorgar was always about serving the gods and he is the only one that serve and have the blessing of ALL the chaos gods. If 40k ever have an "Everchosen" like Archeon from fantasy i feel Lorgar is a FAR better fit than Abbadon. No matter how hard GW tries to make Abbadon the "final boss" of 40k he will always feel more like the miniboss before the true bosses that are the daemon primarchs.

Fun facts about Lorgar Aurelian's name and his title (The Urizen): Lorgar is Colchisian for 'The Rain-Caller'. In the real world, Logar (with one 'r') is the name of a province in Afghanistan that, during the Soviet-Afghan War in the early 1980s was known as 'The Gates of Jihad' due to how much conflict the region saw. It was so bad that a journalist who visited the province wrote that 'Everywhere in the Logar Province, the most common sight except for ruins are graves.'. Aurelian a.k.a. The Golden is the name of a Roman Emperor who is known for his many victories. However, what he is also known for is that he raised the very minor cult of the sun god Sol Invictus to such prominence that it became the official religion of Roman Empire for a time. Urizen, which is Colchisian word for Wisest of the Wise is the name of a being described as the embodiment of conventional law and reason in the original mythos made by a British poet William Blake in the 18th century. William Blake was a romanticist and as such, the being Urizen is his mythos' equivalent of the Demiurge/Jaldabaoth of Gnosticism. Urizen is a rather cruel being who believed himself to be the god of the universe and is the embodiment of both religious dogmatism (Urizen IS the law) and Enlightenment rationalism (Urizen introduced uniformity to the world), both of which William Blake opposed. (Additional fun fact: the word 'Enlightenment' written here refers to the Age of Enlightenment, a movement back in 17th and 18th century in the western world that champions reason, science and intellect as the way forward for humanity. William Blake was very much against this movement, what it stood for, its exalted figures (like Isaac Newton, look up his painting depicting Newton) and its proponents.) There's a reason GW used these names for the First Traitor Primarch.

In the Dornian Heresy Lorgar and the Word Bearers basically become the Black Templars Mixed with the Sisters Of battle. (They look cooler then they do in Canon).

Just to clarify the situation going on with Corvus Corax. He awakened the powers of his Primarch soul. Doing so caused him to shed his mortal form. He didn't become a daemon persay. More like an entity fueled by Warp stuff independent from any God.

THAT THUMBNAIL THO

The story of corax doorbell ditched lorgar implies that he has "unlocked" powers by accepting what he and the primarchs are, so it might be that the form taken by corax is just what he actually is in regards to the warp magic that Emps used to make them. This is also implied by some spacewolf books in the heresy, the reason that Russ hates emps spear is because it shows him the truth. The truth about what he and the primarchs are is horrifying to Russ. So that monster might just be what Corax actually is, or the principle components that made him Corax.

Colchis’s inspiration was Ancient Sumerian culture - with living in the desert and having people live by the rovers (like the Tigris and Euphrates) - even down to Lorgar having Cuneiform-type writing on his body.

NOTE: In the "Master of Mankind" it is implied that Monarchia was the LAST attempt to change Lorgar's ways, not the FIRST.

You know that scene in Warriors where that one guy is clinking empty beer bottles at the gang while saying “Warriors, come out to play~”, imagine Corvus is doing that to Lorgar while he’s in his tower. But the beer bottles are just Word Bearer helmets that he’s clinking together for the past nine thousand years outside Lorgar’s tower.

I remember in the audiodrama "The Sigillite", Malcador was lamenting Lorgar's fall, saying that they "could've handled him more gently. He was so fragile..." It made me sad That being said, a childhood full of abuse will do that to a person. Make them mercurial. CPTSD-ish. The Primarchs were immune to all this shit except mental illness.

I think colchis is actually more based around Mesopotamia especially since they live near rivers, use mub bricks for structures and have a ruling priest class. In fact lorgar is very similar to the early Mesopotamian kings who eventually would take power from the priest class and would believe they were favored by the gods of their city states.

Tonite on Ridiculous Gear: Bricky burns down monarchia using his shiny forehead. DK becomes Eresus as he convinces Lorgar to become a Vtuber and Shy becomes The Blessed Little Shy.

I believe that the Theatre that Lorgar and Fulgrim go too is the Theatre where the Emperors Children first encounter daemons of Slannesh in the book “Fulgrim”. It’s a pretty interesting scene in the book. And at the book ends with Fulgrim in the same theatre, looking at the gross painting of “himself”

You forgot to mention that after lorgar came back from the pilgrimage, they continued the crusades despite them turning to chaos (they basically did this as a ruse), and ironically, they ended up conquering planets at an alarming rate (possibly the fastest legion).

The best part about "all I wanted was the truth" is that the emperor has his "imperial truth" Lorgar speaks in onions

"If things don't go your way, just keep complaining until all your dreams come true" Lorgar probably

Lorgar "I will not be silenced because you do not like the melody of one single word. In your grip, a thousand worlds turn! By your will, a million vessels sail the void. You are immortal, undying, seeing all and knowing all that transpires across creation. Father, you are a god in all but name. All that remains is to confess to it." He wasn't wrong. I get what big E was trying to do but Lorgar was right. In denying his true state big E allowed him self to become that which he hated.

First DK gets the quote right, then he makes a spongebob reference...He's an Alpha Legion spy, dispose of him!

The theatre is a Slaanesh thing. People are brought there, or arrive willingly, and the show begins. Acts that are terrifying to normal people but very tame to followers at first. But then they rapidly get more and more disturbing. This could go on for days or even weeks at a time as terror gives way to excitement and eventually pleasure for some, while others mentally break. Baldermort has a great story about this in the beginning of his video on the grey knights.

Lorgar flipping back and forth on his emotions is something also mentioned in Know No Fear because at one point while talking to Guiliman Lorgar goes from calm to pissed to calm very fast when Guiliman mentions that his tech-priests found a virus because Lorgar claims that Guiliman is blaming him. He even goes into a sermon to his sons about how untrustworthy the Ultramarines are till Guiliman comments that he wasn't blaming Lorgar and only wanted to mention it incase something infected his systems. That book is also amazing to me because at one point its literally rains Baneblades onto Ultramarines.

Big E to the Ad Mech: I am totally a god and you may worship me as the Omnisiah! Lorgar: Oh can I also do that? Big E: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

Lorgar: Father, you bless me with your presence. Emperor: Lorgar, for the last time. I'm not a god (Just someone with power close to gods). Lorgar: Well, if it looks like a god, speaks like a god and act like a god, than you must be god (With all the golden armor and all).

Dorn and Guilliman built roads and aqueducts and stuff, Lorgar was all-in on turning planets into Anor Londo

"Lorgar, I want you to stop calling me a god. And to make my point I will take my golden host, smite your holy city from the skies and make you and your entire Legion prostrate yourselves with my mere presence." - The definitely not God Emperor of Manking

Lorgar had so much potential to be one of the greatest primarchs, but unfortunately, he was found by Kor Phaeron, and trusted Erebus. Also, Lorgar had a point in seeing big E as a god. The man walks around in golden armour, with a shining face of many visages, and performs miracles without breaking a sweat. How would people not see him as a god?

I'd like to point out that Konrad Curze called Lorgar the most pathethic man he's ever met, Lorgar was even told that his sons were going to suffer if he followed through with the heresy but he was still surprised that his sons were suffering, he didn't even come up with the plan himself! It was Erebus and Kor Phaeron who came up with basically everything

Some fun facts about Blood Ravens: - Planet of the system they recruit from is called Aurelia (Lorgar *Aurelian* ) - Another one is called like Blessed Lady of the Word Bearers: Cyrene - Eliphas of Word Bearers called Blood Ravens brothers, while marines from different legions called each other "cousin" - Word Bearers fought on Kronus during Horus Heresy - Blood Ravens found relics of their chapter there, that were later destroyed by cpt. Davian Thule who found them too be damning and swore silence. - Ravens seek "truth" about their primarch almost fanatically and focus on the emperor more than other chapters. - They are gifted with warp powers - Magnus and Lorgar were both powerful psykers (and afaik Lorgar was mainly into divinitation which is strong side of Blood Ravens psykers) - "Knowledge is power" is quote of Erebus (but also many other characters so it's not that indicating, but it's there) - There is at least one loyal Word Bearer in 40k "The Anchorite" that can manifest psychic powers like light of the Emperor to shitstomp demons - Blood Ravens in DoW II fell mainly to Khorne and Nurgle there was no indication of Tzeentch showing any interest in them - It was hinted that Blood Ravens forgot about their past purposefully Because of that I like to think we might have loyal chapter made of some loyal remnants of Word Bearers like Anchorite

I picked a good day to start painting my Word Bearers army.

_"If Lorgar had our sponsor, KEEPS, Lorgar would no longer be evil."_ ... Ah yes, the ultimate weapon against the forces of the Warp, _ANTI-BALDING CREAM._ ... Based.

I love it when the guys talk about the absolute horrific chaos theatre filled with skeletons, rotting bodies with an expression of horror on their faces and then a picture of AMY SCHUMER is cut in, man that s*it is comedy gold!

The theater that fulgrim has might be miraviglia, the theater were the legion fell, and where noise marines were first created

Could you imagine Logar's reaction when he sees the Imperium nowadays? His religious view is now the Imperium's religion.

Hope Corvus and the Raven Guard are up next, ready to learn about the edgy bird boys and the Loyalist Demon Primarch

Really Erebus is the first heretic. He's the source of even Lorgar's corruption. He was the one whispering into his ear and encouraging him to fall further, rather than heading the emperor's warning. He was also completely corrupted himself way before Lorgar.

The imperial creed is basically Lorgars old sermons and texts translated by a Word Bearers dreadnought that turned back to worshipping the Emperor. Simultaneously a W and an L for the pasta man

Lorgar pre-fall to Chaos was charismatic, smart and overall pretty cool dude. Unfortunately, he was a terrible judge of character and got sold by Erebus an Kor Phaeron just as hard as all the people he sold his faith to.

DK's confidence during the quote section is a sublime character arc and I'm all there for it.

Please do an episode on Corvus Corax soon, he deserves the acknowledgment.

The thumbnail this time is delightfully cursed. Great work, as always!

Big e in the thumbnail looking like after living for thousands of years, he still can't handle allergy season

Lorgar: extremely devout man Emperor of mankind: if atheist was turned up to eleven and given form First meeting Lorgar: hello my lord, I have waited for your arrival Emperor: yes my son, now get off the ground and stop bowing. We have work to do. Lorgar: yes god Emperor: don’t call me that Lorgar: yes Devine being Emperor: don’t call me that either Lorgar: yes my supreme lord Emperor:….we’re going to have to work on this…

Dont call me a God *walks around as 12ft tall giant in gleaming gold armor and shining like the sun in unterra radiance*

Here lies dk and bricky One was known for being the nova main 19xx-2022 The other, was known for being a short stack goblin waifu 1600-2022 May the meme lords spare them of a terrible fate in the afterlife

Know No Fear should be the next book club book, it’s one of the best heresy books and covers the battle of Calth

I hope y'all eventually discuss horus peeling off Erebus's face because he had enough of his shenanigans because Erebus kept trying to get sanguinius to join Khorne against Horus's orders because during the time when Erebus tried that then whatever Horus's plan was failed because of Erebus's disobedience which I think led to sanguinius escaping instead of being killed or turned which PISSED horus off IMMENSELY and basically told Erebus's his gods ain't shit and everything is happening because of his leadership, not his precious gods and not him

Angron: Hey Lorgar, careful. Corax is standing right behind you. Lorgar: I'm not falling for that trick agai.... *Lorgar quickly spins around to check behind him Angron: "Ahahahahaha, got you again!" Lorgar-baiting, the only thing that makes Angron laugh

Lorgar spent so much time studying, he never got as strong as the other primarchs. He remained small. He was , just a little guy.

If I remember correctly Lorgar also fears Corax because during his pilgrimage he was told by Ingethel that if he engaged Corax in a battle he could never win then he would die. While he wasn't a daemon primarch yet, Corax wasn't a shadowy warp bird so he may not be willing to test it

From what I understood, Corvus gained a sort of ‘Warp Form’ by tapping into his half warp nature from being a Primarch and can sort of flip a mental switch and turn back and forth.

Lorgar: gets stabbed repeatedly and gets brought to near death Curze: cringe

You dudes really need to read Know No Fear, for 3 reasons: 1. It details revenge of Word Bearers on Ultramarines, aka start of shadow crusade 2. It's written by Dan Abnett a.k.a. one of, if not the best Black Library authors 3. We need to stop DK's Ultramarines slander, and if this book won't make him like Ultramarines even little bit more, I dont know what will

You guys should absolutely read Know No Fear before you hit Betrayer as it gives the book a good bit of context and largely covers the betrayal of calth since betrayer takes place right after. There is also an anthology that covers the underground war at calth from the perspective of the word bearers and the ultramarines and is a very fun way fo getting some understanding as to how much the legions hate each other. I also can't wait to see you guys cover imperium secundus! It's one of the more enjoyable plot lines of the heresy

The concept of warp-twisted Corax as an avatar of vengence brings me so much joy. I would love to see that actually implemented in 40k.

01:22 Bricky: "Did you know that Lorgar is bald?" Me: "Is this a Keeps ad?!"

Essentially corvus unlocked the hidden Warp powers used in the prinarchs' creation. But the key here is Warp, not Chaos. So corvus unlocked his warp powers and it involves being Big Bird

It is commonly accepted that Corvus Corax fully embraced his warp based primarch powers after the heresy while hunting Lorgar in the warp during the scouring. He's not demon but apears demonic birdman and is more powerful than ever before. He hunts for Lorgar relentlesly and even fought his deamon prince form and kicked his ass AGAIN.

Something that I was always annoyed as hell by is that the Emperor is psychically powerful enough that he can fake the Razing of Monarchia. Force Lorgar to see the atrocities in his mind, and that the Emperor is a massive PoS, and and force the legion to kneel, the whole 9 yards. Then, the moment that Lorgar breaks and renounces his faith, then snap back to reality. The emperor could tell him that faith was what would lead him astray and break Lorgar of his religiosity problem without causing any lasting damage.

Remember kids, Calth was an act of self defence.

The best way I found to differentiate between the two is thus: One is Ancient Egyptian or Pre-Islamic Egyptian and the other is Post-Islamic Egyptian. That is how academics are using it as well.

Interesting that the primarch stated to most resemble their father was the most human of all the primarchs. Who considered himself a person and not a weapon, and understood the importance of faith and belief in human needs.

"As you can see dad, I depicted you as the soyjak and myself as the chad. You and your Imperial Truth have already lost." - Lorgar Aurelian

I'm sure Big-E actually *did* tell Lorgar to quit the act several times, it's just that we don't see it. He's not stupid, after all, and neither is Lorgar. Excusing Lorgars actions for him "wanting to know the truth" and blaming Big-E for all the crap that happened, is no different than excusing Big-E for wanting to preserve and safeguard humanity.

It’s believed that the primarchs have the souls of warp gods in them, and Corvus through his pure hatred of Lorgar became a raven abomination as he unlocked his god powers in a true material form. Meaning they’re technically not a demon

I just wanna add, there's another parallel between Lorgar's backstory and religion, him seeing visions of a one true God, and rebelling against his father and the polytheistic pantheon he worships perfectly mirrors the story of the prophet Abraham's childhood. Also, one interpretation of the scene where Big E makes Lorgar and his Word Bearers kneel, is that he was trying to prove a point, something along the lines of "You want me to be a God so bad? Fine, this is what it means to be subservient to a God, now kneel! I'm trying to create a galaxy where humanity rises above kneeling to anyone or anything, above the need for Gods." But it completely flew over their heads, I guess he should've been less subtle with it, and also not burn down their favorite city in the process.

Perturabo just wanted to dig up ancient relics with his brother Magnus instead of digging trenches for his brother Horus. Lorgar was much the same, only more vulnerable, without being guarded as his bitter brother, he was easier to lead astray. Lorgar would have made an excellent asset to the Imperium if provided the correct tools to pursue the nature of sapient experience and it's relation to the empyrean. Instead he got years of warp-dust exposure as a child and it rotted his brain into thinking formulated ignorance is a substitute for understanding.

I feel like Curze is the only primarch to save another primarch. He really is the best of them.

4:49 Fun fact: If you keep repeating Lorgar over and over for long enough it starts sounding like a Pokémon.

Regarding the missing Primarchs: There's reason to believe the memories the other Primarchs have of them are implanted. Malcador pretty much said as much in The Chamber at the End of Memory.

Italian word bearers player here, painting my old possessed as we speak and appreciating the timing of this episode as i just got the new rules

The theater is probably the same one that daemon possessed musicians performed for Fulgrim and his legion and was where they first gave themselves over to slanoosh

I always saw Lorgar being played by Arnold Vosloo from The Mummy. If there ever was a Heresy movie in the 2000s, he'd been a perfect Lorgar.

The reason why Rogal Dorn can't read is, he saw what Lorgar was doing with his books...... "I did not wish to copulate with his Book father. I have only seen Lorgar do such a thing." - Rogal Dorn

23:27 Lion's mentor Luther was also turned into a pseudo-Astartes (also Magnus' adoptive father as well, I think?). 1:07:33 ah, La Fenice. I think it is mentioned in more detail in Fulgrim's primarch story. Unsure if there is any more detailed source other than that.

Another great one guys. But I feel so much pain for when you do the Emps kids & find out what actually happens with Fulgrim & the Daemon from his blade. That isn't just GW dropping the ball. That story is GW forgetting what a ball even Fethin well is! A total screw up & missed opportunity

Chad Lorgar is having his last laugh in the wrap right now, while the rotting emperor sits and watches Lorgar’s vision come true

Slaves to Darkness is when Lorgar tries to usurp Horus, and when Horus basically turned on Lorgar before he could, it was awesome. He smacked him down, his back on the floor, then rose Lorgar back to his feet. Horus then threw Lorgar’s Crozius on the floor and basically just said, “go on, kill me… if you think you can.”

The theater that Fulgrim's painting is stored is more than likely the theater that preformed the "Maravigila", which was the event that sealed the Legion's damnation to Slaanesh. When the performance happened, the audience, both human and astartes, turned on each other and began doing unspeakable things. It got so bad Daemonettes manifested in the theater and killed the performers; however the Astartes were particularly moved to keep it going and picked up the instruments which were these gun-like devices and began firing them wildly. By the end of the performance, Fulgrim gave it a standing ovation and the Emperor's Children had created the first Noise Marines. The Emperor's Children have fragments of the performance recorded, which their Dark Apostles play in battle to bolster their warriors. It is one of the relics that the Emperor's Children can take, "Remnant of The Maravigila" and it allows all Emperor's Children Core or Characters within 6" of the Relic to gain 1 additional attack.

when they talked about the theatre it was like opening the Pandora's box in my memory i remembered everything that happened there i think one of the artists was trying to recreate what she witnessed and heard in the Laer main temple place and it summoned slaanesh daemons and lead to the creation of the noise marines just complete mayhem and madness happened in that place

With the whole Monarchia bit, this is right after the Rangdan Xenocides. By this point, two legions are dead, the Dark Angels are down 50k marines, the Space Wolves and Death Guard are on Emergency Recruitment mode, with Mortarion bringing in recruits from off of Barbarus, entire battlefleets and titan legions have been turned into scrap, entire knightly houses were brought to extinction, and scores of Imperial Army divisions were used to wipe the floor, only legions like the Luna Wolves, Ultramarines, and Imperial Fists are able to keep the Great Crusade from STALLING!! And Big E by this point tolerated Lorgar's slow pace, but now that at least a quarter of a million Astartes and a few hundred million mortal crewmen and a few hundred ships, couple thousand titans and knights are now broken wrecks.

Corvus didn’t get a scent for Lorgar until they had a rematch inside the warp.

I'd love to see some kind of alt universe where Uriah from the Last Church raised Lorgar instead of Kor Phaeron. Frankly I think it would end better for everyone involved.

"so they take over their planet, cause that's what every primarch did." you heard that Angron? EVERY Primarch did that, could you imagine how funny it would be, if one of them didn't manage to do that?

Personally I think Corax just spent so long in the warp he is warp tainted. Like Hawk boy's wings but his whole body. Tangent: I bet corvus would love if Big E put a bird cage in the palace for him.

Also, In Aurelian, Lorgar fought Khorne’s greatest champion An’ggrath the Unbound and wrecked him. Took some major hits but won. Against a demon called the “Lord of the Bloodthirsters” and “First of Kharnath’s Children”. People remember that Sanguinius fought a exalted bloodthirster (I think it was) and the Khan fought a Keeper of Secrets but Lorgar also wrecked Khorne’s top dog when he was sent to challenge Lorgar

To quote lorgar after discovering chaos It's lorgin time

The laticio divininatus or whatever you call it actually became popular during the siege of terra during the series which hasn’t finished it’s always coming up and has its own main arc and it’s to the point malcador rather utilize it

The interesting thing about Monarchia is that the Emperor actually screwed over TWO legions when he did that. The Word Bearers, who got humiliated, and the Ultramarines, who got a mortal enemy they never asked for.