Losing the Language of Myth and Villainy

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Greyhawk Grognard

Greyhawk Grognard

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I talk about the recent changes to the digital Dungeons & Dragons rulebooks, and their impact on storytelling, villain motivations, and the core assumptions of the game.
You can find the original article here: tinyurl.com/mr6nc62z
0:00 What's today's video about?
0:35 Setting the stage
2:30 Savagery and civilization
8:14 Madness and insanity
11:11 Racial purity and superiority
13:58 Slavery
15:20 Conclusions
16:58 Thanks
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@willmistretta
@willmistretta 7 ай бұрын
Any change to the game based on the notion that its participants can't differentiate between fantasy and reality is a fundamentally misguided one. Doesn't matter if it's purging assassins and demons from AD&D in 1989 or purging alignments and "savage" creatures in 2023. The premise itself is the problem.
@Mr_Welch
@Mr_Welch 7 ай бұрын
They can take our lives, but they can never take our ADJECTIVES
@SimonAshworthWood
@SimonAshworthWood 7 ай бұрын
You’ve still got your adjectives. And the WOTC are using the adjectives they prefer.
@OniTreefolk
@OniTreefolk 7 ай бұрын
Oh damn, Mr. Welch in the comments?? What a treat!
@stephenclements6158
@stephenclements6158 7 ай бұрын
​​@@SimonAshworthWoodbut their adjectives are lame! Like modern cars, they are safer, but they aren't exciting.
@keithm4953
@keithm4953 7 ай бұрын
Shades of the Satanic Panic. Many of us remember when demons and devils were removed from 2e wholesale, as the presence of evil forces to combat in the game were presumed to somehow affect real-world players negatively. And now, although the Bowdlerization has changed targets, we've come full circle.
@emjtucson
@emjtucson 7 ай бұрын
Maybe that's Cynthia Williams’s goal. Bring forth a new satanic panic to drive up sales. Only if.
@Satori2046
@Satori2046 7 ай бұрын
Good points, at the end will use whatever words we want in our game.
@davidleonard8547
@davidleonard8547 7 ай бұрын
Descriptive language is just that. Where would we be without it? D&D is all about storytelling; so, how can a DM possibly set the mood without descriptive language? Can you imagine how lackluster the descriptions of the temples in the G-series would be if we swapped out or just removed references to horror and insanity? Those temples to the ELDER Elemental God are obvious references to Lovecraft's creations. They ought to be horrific. They ought to task Player Character sanity. Just as Markessa is a veiled parallel of Mengele and the Nazis. She is EVIL, not misunderstood. That said, the tone of the Game has changed. Players don't seem to want Howard/Leiber/Moorcock Sword & Sorcery anymore, nor Lovecraftian Horror in their D&D; they may not even want Tolkien-esque Heroics; In fact, judging from what I've read in 5e Adventure tomes, I'm sure that WotC has moved away from those tropes. Personally, I prefer those old tropes to misunderstood orcs and drows; but that's me. I don't begrudge them their "new" style of play. I just wish they would not denigrate mine.
@stephenclements6158
@stephenclements6158 7 ай бұрын
Is it that the players don't like those things or is it that Wizards is their go to and they don't get exposed to those things?
@rockethobbit
@rockethobbit 7 ай бұрын
Your quest great adventurers is to find the noble dwellers of the deep who do not give hugs to strangers and convince them that they are important valued members of the world and educate them on the principal of love is love.
@andrewszigeti2174
@andrewszigeti2174 7 ай бұрын
WOTC is cutting their own throats with this. If there are no villains, there can be no heroes.
@rockethobbit
@rockethobbit 7 ай бұрын
They didn't cut anyone's throat. The goal is to be more inclusive by creating a larger space space to allow for more players with those sensitive mentalities.
@andrewszigeti2174
@andrewszigeti2174 7 ай бұрын
@@rockethobbit Here's the problem. If there are no truly evil bad guys, then the PCs BECOME the truly evil bad guys. They're the ones wandering around, invading innocent non-evil monsters' homes, killing them, and taking their stuff. The PCs become the murderhobo stereotype, because there is no evil for them to fight!
@vladtheinhailer1428
@vladtheinhailer1428 7 ай бұрын
Maybe the true goal is to turn the hero's into the villain's?!!!?!!!?
@andrewszigeti2174
@andrewszigeti2174 7 ай бұрын
@@vladtheinhailer1428 And the villains into the heroes.
@calvanoni5443
@calvanoni5443 6 ай бұрын
Everyone's a Hero for showing up! 🎉
@Sensorium19
@Sensorium19 7 ай бұрын
The game is a "post-modern analysis of sociology." The fact that the people doing this, or who get it done, win consistently despite being divorced from physical reality, shows that their understanding of the functions of power are more accurate. They understand that EVERYTHING is an expression of political power. They never say "I don't want to talk about the politics." They are incapable of leaving you alone, or leaving anyone alone, because even just a game is an actual threat to their interests. It MUST be remade. A political theology cannot tolerate an "and." The people who are causing these changes believe in the rightness of what they are doing on the level of biological self interest and moral absolutism. Can you say that you would end your opponents careers if you could? Would you organize campaigns to destroy their reputations? Would you hollow out and occupy their social networks, destroying and replacing the previous culture with your own? If you answer "no" to these questions then you're probably going to lose.
@christopherdecator9742
@christopherdecator9742 7 ай бұрын
I appreciate this. This is a well done (and thankfully apolitical) essay. Ive always said D&D is a kind of thought experiment. Sometimes moral questions and dillemas arise in game. "What do you do with the orc children?" And I don't think its the role of the authors, editors, and publishers to answer them for us, or even keep these questions from arising. I guess the sensitivity readers are trying to justify their salaries. And when they've rendered everything into a safe, inoffensive, uninspired, insipid pap they won't have a product anymore worth buying.
@TenkarsTavern
@TenkarsTavern 7 ай бұрын
Great job, Joe! Spot on!
@GreyhawkGrognard
@GreyhawkGrognard 7 ай бұрын
Thanks! I was hoping I'd beat you to the punch on this one, but it was not to be. :-)
@trlspann
@trlspann 7 ай бұрын
Great points. I don't want to fight the bland Servant Lords - I want to fight the evil Slave Lords dammit.
@RonW4684
@RonW4684 7 ай бұрын
"Prisoners with jobs" Lords, as Jeff Goldblum called them in Thor 3.
@sststr
@sststr 7 ай бұрын
Stealth edits aren't just for books, it's coming to ALL your digital media! Movies, music, everything. (They have already edited Star Wars to try to convince you that Han did not, in fact, shoot first...) And for the love of the gods, do not save any documents you value in "the cloud" - that's just someone else's computer, and certain unscrupulous companies might look at your documents and cause you grief if you have anything verboten in them. Keep your personal documents on hardware in your own physical possession, and be sure to have hard copies of any media you enjoy enough to care about.
@johnedgar7956
@johnedgar7956 7 ай бұрын
Good advice!!
@matthewlane
@matthewlane 7 ай бұрын
"Stealth edits aren't just for books, it's coming to ALL your digital media! " And that is why i prefer my media in hard copy. My books are books, my movies are optical media, my music is CD's & clouds are something that float in the sky.
@mindseye1790
@mindseye1790 7 ай бұрын
Besides the absolute crimes against the English language and poetic description I keep finding in these changes, what infuriates me most about them is that they are basically airbrushing the influences of HP Lovecraft and Robert E. Howard out of the game. Next to the removals of slavery, the total erasure of references to madness is the worst example of all this. Any sense of mind-breaking terror in the face of otherworldly forces is just neutered and the whole experience becomes more pedestrian, like braving a dark forest compared to going on a Disneyland ride. I think one edit in particular is just the perfect snapshot into how far D&D has strayed from its roots: Old version: "In a typical campaign, characters aren't driven mad by the horrors they face and the carnage they inflict day after day." New version: "In many campaigns, little focus is placed on the mental and emotional impact of the dangers characters face day after day." The term "soft modern" has been used to describe the storytelling in the latest WoW expansion, a sort of weird escapist fantasy which the writers use as personal therapy. How perfectly does this describe the current state of modern fantasy, especially in D&D. It feels like the old gritty pulp-influences are being worn away in the constant rush to casualize everyhthing, and I don't see how the game is going to get better unless it somehow finds a way to bring those influences back in.
@emjtucson
@emjtucson 7 ай бұрын
Long live the OSR!
@johnstuartkeller5244
@johnstuartkeller5244 7 ай бұрын
"Stealth edits." Vecna lives.
@toddnorthcrux1120
@toddnorthcrux1120 7 ай бұрын
I am 34 yrs Army Vet who finds healing thru my D&D Greyhawk world! Thank you for both truth and some social maturity! today was one of my ptsd treatment days, and I saw this and needed to send thank you for your balanceand insightful analysis of the dangers faced by the D&D corporate thrust, which is corrupting the integrity not only of D&D but the healthy expression of mythic and hero wonder. I am fed up with social confusions and power politics! The world is both kind and savage…our immediate history. Thank you for arguing for not only the integrity of the game D&D, but a warming about our present mind virus spread by a loss of integrity destroying democracy. Thanksgiving needs to remember all those who died to protect this vulnerable gift. It would seem that wotc has destroyed the game by politicizing a game of wonder and adventure. The stocks reflect they are out of touch with the nature of the game, but want to use D&D to force social agendas currently in conflict. Keep our upside and self destructive culture out of D&D. Bravo Zulu for highlighting this mind virus. My St Cuthbert’s cudgel sweep the silly away and give us back a game focused on adventure and overcoming or our monsters..we feel same in our own lives. And I am. Mental health patient- full disability due to my ptsd ( hardly get out my home now without triggering bad:(But in D&D gain some hope of control over my savage monsters! I become a hero and safe again=wotc you are hurting mental sufferers with these changes, thank you for you mature analysis, That is why I appreciate this site.
@ronturner3598
@ronturner3598 7 ай бұрын
After removing all villains from the game world the PCs will step up to fill the vacuum.
@michaeldrinkard678
@michaeldrinkard678 7 ай бұрын
This is why I have hard copies of all of my real 1st. Edition books, manuals, and modules. They can't change what I have. Han shot first! I know that some people are still trying to build up their own copies of these things, and getting a PDF seems cheaper and easier, but I share any and all of my books with anyone who wants to learn and play 1E. I have never, do not, and never shall supported the Red Wizards of the Coast, nor have I ever given them any money. They, and their Evil overlords Hasn'tBro, stand against everything that is Good in the world of gaming. Never give up! Never surrender! Keep fighting the good fight, Joe!
@RodBatten
@RodBatten 7 ай бұрын
Presentism and activist editing will eventually strip everything from D&D that made it what it was. I came to D&D as a kid who read heroic fantasy; if you strip away the words and concepts that WizBro is stripping out of D&D, it is no longer heroic fantasy. Appendix N is now anathema to the current rights-holders of D&D IP, and that is a terrible shame. What kind of heroes have no villainy or evil to fight? The nuance and redemption story of the anti-hero is also lost. I'm grateful that the OGL was created and allowed the essence of the original game to flourish and grow in so many different ways. I haven't played D&D (5e) in several years and haven't given a red cent to WizBro in that time. WizBro is currently vigourously self-foundering the D&D IP with these ridiculous minutiae and it makes me happy to think that the property will soon be so badly devalued that it will no longer be mangled and tortured by it's current custodians.
@GreyhawkGrognard
@GreyhawkGrognard 7 ай бұрын
I love that line. "What kind of heroes have no villainy or evil to fight?" Consider it stolen.
@johnedgar7956
@johnedgar7956 7 ай бұрын
Best comment ever. :-) I completely agree. And now I'm going to start using "WizBro" when I talk about current-era D&D. 🙂 Thank you.
@emjtucson
@emjtucson 7 ай бұрын
Wait until they modify all the books in Appendix N. You'll only be able to consume enlightened media, everything will be sanitized or banned.
@jamesnell1999
@jamesnell1999 7 ай бұрын
I think it is important that people know what "Presentism" is. I know the term but wanted to read the wikipedia entry, and found it very helpful. It's important to note that not all who embrace post-modernism are "presentists". Serious Marxist historians are not presentists. Many conservatives scholars are not presentist. Many liberals also avoid presentism. It's not so much as a left vs. right thing. It's more of a "middle-brow" food fight. There are some great non-polemic academic debates around where moral judgement should begin and end in writing about history. Some works will go further than others. It depends on the writers purpose. Forwards to serious history books often eloquently address issues of presentism. I think of historians like Michael Burleigh, Richard J. Evans, David Blackbourn, and David McCullough. There is no reason to freak-out and go on a big rant. History (the profession) is on our side. Joe... you have some great points. Corporate weenies are gonna weeny. It's really funny when they get caught at the old "memory hole". Thanks for bring that to our attention... and good luck with the Pinkertons. ; )
@matthewlane
@matthewlane 7 ай бұрын
"if you strip away the words and concepts that WizBro is stripping out of D&D, it is no longer heroic fantasy. " It's already not heroic fantasy. These days it's more like Power Rangers.... Shallow, colour co-ordinated, with a lot of running around & shouting power names.
@andrewlustfield6079
@andrewlustfield6079 7 ай бұрын
I jumped ship when 3rd ed came out. Feats seemed like they belonged in console and video games, to me, not in epic, mythic/historic adventures--be they Conan, Arthur and his Knights, Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, Henry V, El Cid, Sinbad the Sailor and the 1000 and one nights, William Marshal, Robin Hood, Beowulf, LOTR, the Musketeers, or the heroes of the Iliad. These are the kinds of stories D&D, at it's best, draws inspiration from. Modern D&D and WOTC seem to be hell bent on making D&D a (virtual table top) simulation of the stories found in the latest video games instead of being inspired by the epic tales of myth and legend. WOTC hasn't seen one dime of my money, nor will it.
@rufuslynks8175
@rufuslynks8175 7 ай бұрын
Didn't Scooby Doo teach us that real monsters are people in disguise? It's just easier if we give then stranger appearances and powers followed by preparing ourselves to defend humanity from their evilness? We adventure for gold and fame while ridding the world of this threat to humanity. These changes are silly and tie into the nonsense of bubblewrapping childhood. In the real world, outside the US, existence is harsh, mother natures still kills as she pleases as do the "monsters" we call political bullies. The fantasy of RPGs allow kids, and adults, to solidify their values by testing, experimenting, observing, and experiencing what different values are like. Being bad (evil), chaotic, neutral, or lawful at different times makes a child wiser and less squishy in the real world.
@SimonAshworthWood
@SimonAshworthWood 7 ай бұрын
Inside the USA, life is harsh for many, too. Tens of millions of people there lack health care and many people are homeless. Try visiting Appalachia or South Central L.A. for example, and ask people there whether or not life is easy.
@leongolgo9950
@leongolgo9950 7 ай бұрын
This might be my favorite video you've done. Excellently addressed.
@Darkechilde
@Darkechilde 7 ай бұрын
I have read through the same essay that you have, a few times, and have been ruminating on it. I can see the logic behind the changes, as well as the societal pressures driving the changes. I have a knee-jerk negative reaction, mostly because I'm a gen x grognard, but, when I think about most of the changes, I don't particularly give a d***. However, you did touch on a few that I think are a mistake - eliminating the references to slavery is foolish, for example - that's one of the great evils, IMHO, and players seem to take great pride is freeing slaves and taking down slave-owning cultures; it's also a great way for me to find players I don't want to DM for - if they're actually enthused about role-playing their PCs acquiring and owning slaves, they're not going to be a good fit for my table. Thanks for touching on this; I wondered how far the essay was going to penetrate the community for comment and discussion.
@rikk319
@rikk319 7 ай бұрын
My parents, who raised me and my brothers as devout catholics, were assuaged over the Satanic panic of our D&D playing by me heading them off and admitting there were demons, devils, and evildoers in the game--and me and my brothers' characters were fighting against them. I said it wasn't any different than reading and talking about my grandfathers' generation fighting Nazis in WW2, or King Arthur and Merlin battling Mordred...and they got it. I didn't mention that the adventure party's priest wasn't worshiping God but Heironeous, though :D
@bigmonkey1254
@bigmonkey1254 5 ай бұрын
News: "Kids are being encouraged to play games that have demons in them!!" Grandma: "That's right, Billy, you kill that sinning demon!"
@JBASH2011
@JBASH2011 7 ай бұрын
I gave up on wizards around 2016. I'd urge everyone else to do the same- the property has become a farce.
@docnecrotic
@docnecrotic 7 ай бұрын
That was a good time to jump
@underfire987
@underfire987 7 ай бұрын
110%, wotc dnd is not dnd just some bastardized version of it. Dnd is alive and well in the OSR and in the older un edited games of TSR dnd. Keep getting people in this direction including new players and well have a bright future for this hobby when wotc dies off.
@johnedgar7956
@johnedgar7956 7 ай бұрын
@JBASH2011 Absolutely agree. If I play D&D anymore, I warn my players that I'm doing so with 5e rules, but with a 1e aesthetic with no "politically correct adjustments" to it's wonderful cliches. Otherwise, I've almost fully switched over to Call of Cthulhu anyway.
@matthewlane
@matthewlane 7 ай бұрын
"I gave up on wizards around 2016." Oh you sweet summer child, i gave up on it way back in 2009 when i realised that 4E was D&D in name only. That it wasn't even a roleplaying game anymore, it was a tactical skirmish wargame designed to sell randomised boxed miniatures & play-mats.
@JBASH2011
@JBASH2011 7 ай бұрын
@@matthewlane I had gave up on 3.X in 2003, and actually came back to Wizards for 4E. I love 4E for it's core ideas, mechanics, desire to fix things, and bring something new to the table after decades of re-hashing the SOS. It's execution was not always well done though and I also hated the emphasis on the grid. I "13th Aged" 4E for TOTM/simplified play before 13th Age became a thing. We had a bunch of fun playing it as the " D&D S&S comic supers" game that was portrayed by so many great artists of the early 80s- (Willingham, Roslof, Dee) in the Moldvay Cook Marsh era B/X books and modules as well as the 60s/70s S&S/Sci Fantasy comics that influenced me before I found OD&D in 77. I've since moved on to 13th Age and DW for my systems of choice, but I've incorporated many 4E elements and ideas into my O/TSR D&D hack games. I don't like any edition as written- I mold and change them all to my tastes- just as pre-AD&D Gary/TSR encouraged us to do.
@satturnine7320
@satturnine7320 7 ай бұрын
Very articulate GG. I would like to point out to some of the commentators that D&D is inspired by history on my many levels, not merely fantasy and that is the real casualty for those who know it not are doomed to repeat it We know who are, and understand you better than you understand yourselves and we will not forget
@tabletoptaproom
@tabletoptaproom 7 ай бұрын
I looked at this in terms of Orwell and 1984 but your perspective is very Campbellian- I like how you looked at this.
@miguelroca5098
@miguelroca5098 7 ай бұрын
If you can't fight monsters that embody the very nature of evil with steel and magic. What even the point of playing a fantasy game? FANTASY GAME, people. Those are the key words here. A few years ago Paizo pulled the same card on Pathfinder removing all slavers groups from Golarion without explanation. People in the facebook group praised that decision. One even told me he didn't like "that crappy moral reductionism" in his game when I insisted in the necessity of a clearly evil faction. This is why you gatekeep. Not because others can't play D&D the way they like. It's because they want to control how you play.
@SimonAshworthWood
@SimonAshworthWood 7 ай бұрын
In my games, I have both sentient inherently “evil” creatures (undead and lower planes creatures) AND sentient creatures who were raised to be “evil” (like children raised in nazi Germany or raised by a crime family) but who can change their approach to life, including humans, demihumans and humanoids (like how Darth Vader and Drizzt Do’Urden turned to the “good” side.)
@Darkwintre
@Darkwintre 7 ай бұрын
Left Facebook almost 3 years ago never expected this!
@rikk319
@rikk319 7 ай бұрын
"They" can't control how I play...not until "they" are in my house, watching over my shoulder. Entirely overblown worries. I have my OG D&D books, 1st-3rd Ed. manuals and modules, self-penned material...none of that is at risk. As for what WOTC does with the intellectual property they own...that's part of a free economic society we have, bad goes with the good. Things change, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. Individually, do better yourself, and hope you influence those within your sphere who might be on the fence.
@user-hn7rd6nr6k
@user-hn7rd6nr6k 7 ай бұрын
thanks for the update man and I hope you have an awesome Thanksgiving!
@retrodmray
@retrodmray 7 ай бұрын
First off, love that shirt! Bakshi Hobbit is pretty doggone cool, to this day! Second, I'd like to say I'm shocked, but not really. No surprise in today's world, sir! Doesn't mean it isn't pathetic and sad though. 😞 Thnx for bringing this to our attention! 🤓👊
@ValamirCleaver
@ValamirCleaver 7 ай бұрын
Joe, you called it in one of your prior videos earlier this year regarding the possibility of retroactive edits to digital versions of previous publications.
@haveswordwilltravel
@haveswordwilltravel 7 ай бұрын
I used to get .pdf’s to back up my physical books. Now I have to get physical copies of books to back up my .pdf’s!
@BW022
@BW022 7 ай бұрын
I remember in the early 2000s with the RPGA and Living Greyhawk, some module had a goblin who surrendered after being part of a raid which killed villagers. It started a table debate about alignments, demi-humans, what to do with him, etc. DM let it go on for about ten minutes before a player (a woman) just said "My paladin kills him." Everyone was upset, the debate got into RPGA rules, paladins, etc. Until she finally said. "We only have an hour left to finish the module and I go after this, so I'm not going to waste everyone's time arguing about the morality of the killing stat-blocks on a piece of paper when I've spend my days taking care of people in a nursing home."
@sststr
@sststr 7 ай бұрын
Even if you want to hamfist the political message of slavery bad, why remove it? The players are heroes, let them go abolish slavery! If the goal is to mislead people into thinking slavery never existed, there isn't a mentally competent person alive who can be duped into believing that, everybody knows it happened (and is still happening into the present day). Pretending like it didn't exist isn't helpful to anybody. So let the PCs go be the heroes and fight the slavers, if that's something you feel is really important to you. It is really difficult to grok what these people think they are accomplishing with nonsense like this. Well, just makes me glad I have hardcopies of all the core 1st and 2nd books (and a good many of the supplemental books, although not all of them), so I don't have to worry about my game being sanitized out from under me.
@andrewszigeti2174
@andrewszigeti2174 7 ай бұрын
Of course, there are people who think slavery existed, but was more like 'father-figure white owner taking care of black child-figures who couldn't take care of themselves and needed father-figure white owner's guidance...
@rockethobbit
@rockethobbit 7 ай бұрын
They are not removing it to prevent people from being aware it exists. They are removing it to protect the sensitive players who are offended by being exposed to the topic.
@sststr
@sststr 7 ай бұрын
But you don't need to completely change everything about the game to protect a couple of people out of millions. Those few people can just play a house-ruled version that removes the bits they don't like. Over on the "Daddy Rolled a 1" channel, he's playing with his daughter and her friends and he did just that - he asked them before they started if there was any things that would cause a problem for them, and when there was (e.g. spiders), he dropped it out of the game entirely. He didn't demand WOTC change everything to accommodate his players, he just modified what he was doing at his own table and got on with it. It's what DMs everywhere have always done since Day 1. Claiming to be protecting a minuscule handful of people from being offended is just an excuse, not the real reason. I could launch into a very long diatribe about who these people are and why they are doing what they do (and I have done that once or twice on this channel before, as well as more than a few times on other sites - long story short, it's a pure power grab), but protecting the sensitive has nothing to do with anything. That just a cover story, and an exceedingly weak one at that. Don't entertain their obvious farcical lie, call them out on it every chance you get.
@andrewszigeti2174
@andrewszigeti2174 7 ай бұрын
@@rockethobbit OR they could trust the individual DMs to know their players and remove the things that might offend them from the individual campaigns. One of my most player-praised campaigns was when I ran a group of young black kids through the A series. They LOVED being the Big Damn Heroes freeing the slaves.
@emjtucson
@emjtucson 7 ай бұрын
@@rockethobbitthey are sanitizing it to show you the proper way to think.
@CharlesKhan
@CharlesKhan 7 ай бұрын
You’re spot on. Said it so much friendlier than we ever could. 😂
@tabletoptaproom
@tabletoptaproom 7 ай бұрын
Next stop: Asmodeus is just misunderstood.
@tabletoptaproom
@tabletoptaproom 7 ай бұрын
Welcome to the Brave New World where you cannot call the the villainous a villain.
@rontalkstabletop
@rontalkstabletop 3 ай бұрын
This is well thought out and well said.
@joshuafarlow-wolgast8082
@joshuafarlow-wolgast8082 7 ай бұрын
Seeing the changes Pathfinder 2 made in the remaster by removing alignments and changing to primarily Anathemas, this makes me want to look further into how they described them. I haven't fully understand why people have been so up in arms regarding these kinds of things the last few years, but it does seem annoying to see changes like this.
@solomani5959
@solomani5959 7 ай бұрын
5e only or other changing older books directly to? Like AD&D. Wotc will regret all these changes when the pendulum swings back to sanity. You are spot on with your analysis. D&D is a game of “it’s a monster, stick a sword in it”. It plays to mythological archetypes which will outlast Wotc.
@jackrogers5712
@jackrogers5712 7 ай бұрын
Print media is the future. Just wait until they find a way to charge you a monthly fee for your digital books. Not just a subscription fee for the Beyond service, but each book costing $ per month in exchange for constant digital updates to remove/add whatever ideological obsession is popular that quarter.
@ballisticus1
@ballisticus1 7 ай бұрын
doubleplus ungood
@derekburge5294
@derekburge5294 7 ай бұрын
I will never understand why people seem to conflate the ideas that *evil exists in this setting as a force to oppose* and *evil exists in this setting therefore we support it.*
@rikk319
@rikk319 7 ай бұрын
Unlike the vast majority of people who enjoy fiction and role-playing games in particular, there are some people who have difficulty separating reality from fiction and overreact to it.
@derekburge5294
@derekburge5294 7 ай бұрын
@@rikk319 How horrifying. Must be a terrible way to live.
@Dreamfox-df6bg
@Dreamfox-df6bg 7 ай бұрын
With these changes we play a Conan-style campaign any more as one of the major points of the Conan stories is about civilization vs. barbarism. 'Beyond the Black River' even makes the point, that civilization is unnatural and an accident and barbarism will win out in the end. I'm not saying you can't play a Barbarian (well, let's see how they rename the class), but that kind of misses the point of a Barbarian. Also remember, that this comes once more from 'Sensitivity Readers' which only have jobs as long as they find problematic stuff, so just wait until they further sanitize D&D of 'problematic' content. BTW, does anyone remember the first 2 rules of all Role-Playing Games? The 2 rules that come before you even open the book? Somehow it looks like people have forgotten them. Rule #1: Have fun Rule #2: Any rule in conflict with Rule #1 is automatically null and void. Remember, this is your Game, it belongs to no one else.
@williammeek7218
@williammeek7218 7 ай бұрын
Sad the times we find ourselves in isn’t it. I never went past AD &D first edition. DND basic and expert was all I needed. Changing language is a waste of time. I pay no attention to woke crap which is what this is. Greyhawk and Mystara is all you need. Great T-shirt Grognard. Love it.
@Qew77
@Qew77 7 ай бұрын
great video
@Darklight689
@Darklight689 7 ай бұрын
Stealth editing like that should be illegal, to change a product someone already purchased without their consent.
@jamesnell1999
@jamesnell1999 7 ай бұрын
It's just a weasel thing to do. These WOTC people have a real knack for stepping in it.
@muster_mark
@muster_mark 7 ай бұрын
I've always read civilization vs. savagery or barbarism in D&D as law vs. chaos, rather than good vs. evil. Most myths of classical antiquity favor the civilized heroes of the polities and city-states over the monsters and wild men of the hinterlands-but D&D owes just as much to sword and sorcery fiction which typically pits the righteous barbarian against the decadent sorcerer. As I see it, good characters take risks to benefit others, evil characters actively harm and exploit others to benefit themselves, and everyone else is neutral.
@rikk319
@rikk319 7 ай бұрын
Depends on the culture you're reading from...there are more than enough around the world that enshrine "the good old days" when things were simpler. Even Tolkien preferred less "civilization" and more "nature" in his comparison between Saruman's heartless technology and the hobbits' pastoral lifestyle.
@ajaxplunkett5115
@ajaxplunkett5115 7 ай бұрын
What editions and books are they doing this to??
@GreyhawkGrognard
@GreyhawkGrognard 7 ай бұрын
Do look at the link in the description, that gives all such details.
@barryaloisi7397
@barryaloisi7397 7 ай бұрын
The things Greyhawk Grognard talks about in this video must have deep roots in our human nature - the good vs. evil dichotomy is crucial to our storytelling (mythmaking), which is why DnD has had the popularity that it has enjoyed. What can you replace these tropes with that will have the same impact? In the interest of fairness and safety, Wizards is making the game aseptic, dull, and dishonest.
@nerfherder999
@nerfherder999 6 ай бұрын
I've got a great new idea for a module in keeping with the new progressive D&D: A0 - The Servant Lords.
@markhill3858
@markhill3858 7 ай бұрын
dammit slavers are top tier villains in oldskool and its very USEFUL to a GM that the Great Hobgoblin Army wishes to take the PCs, or named NPCs, alive for reasons too obvious to go into .. this is getting ridiculous they really dont know how this game works do they
@PsionicCavalier
@PsionicCavalier 6 ай бұрын
I think the thing about newer players and DMs not making legit villains is cause they don't understand that Alignments are meant to be cosmic concepts that are tangible in all aspects. It's arguably the most misunderstood aspect of D&D because people either misunderstand it or they choose to not understand and see it as dumb, though in my experience, those that dump the alignment system are those that just want to do what they want without consequences. Edit: to add to this, even though I'm more of the newer generation of gaming as I started in 2014, I think having the villains be racists, xenophobic, or overall bigots, or just absolute assholes that want to do as they please, or even those driven by forces incomprehensible, is something that should happen cause to me, it can help teach players to take on actual assholes and bigots in person and it's to show that these are evil concepts that need to be taken down. If the Villain isn't a villain, then what is the point?
@bigmonkey1254
@bigmonkey1254 5 ай бұрын
I'm in agreeance with this. I even remember reading a few days ago in the 3.5 Player's Handbook that alignment is a real force in the fantasy setting. People can have traits of good and evil in them, but ultimately, their actions add up to a sum. I never ignore the alignment system in game.
@davidjack3393
@davidjack3393 7 ай бұрын
We are moving away from the points of light concept between good and evil and the wild frontiers to a more accurate approximation of the real world were it’s harder to identify a clear enemy.
@emjtucson
@emjtucson 7 ай бұрын
And the fiction is suffering for it
@bigmonkey1254
@bigmonkey1254 5 ай бұрын
Fantasy is supposed to be a simplification of the real world. Understanding a big, complex thing requires coming to terms with little, simple things. That's why we play games. To explore ideas and stuff. Ultimately, we can not function optimally treating every little thing like the so-called "real world." Sometimes, we just need a return to basics.
@aarondumond9631
@aarondumond9631 7 ай бұрын
It flattens everyone and everything into humans with green skin, devil tails, pointy ears or what have you If the promise of loot isn't good enough to get players going, remind them that a vast majority of the monsters they face deserve a good smack with that +1 magic sword
@waxlips
@waxlips 7 ай бұрын
It all has to do with the same reason the name is so important, Dungeons and Dragons. The people in charge of the game that is played today are only selling something, and as usual not to the true customer which is mostly a younger person they are targeting. So, they don't go for the money in the hands of children. They are after mom, dad, gramma and grandpa. You can forget about it being anything like it was again. I have switched to OSRIC already and this sort of thing just reminds me it was the better choice.
@bigmonkey1254
@bigmonkey1254 5 ай бұрын
Question: does this effect older editions like those purchased on Druvethrurpg and whatnot?
@GreyhawkGrognard
@GreyhawkGrognard 5 ай бұрын
They've already made changes to Ravenloft Revamped, and although I haven't gotten the pdf through DriveThru, I would imagine those changes have been made to the file there. Can anyone who's bought it there confirm?
@randkelvrek6392
@randkelvrek6392 7 ай бұрын
You are correct; however, the point of all this is to push an agenda. Gameplay and classic themes are not even on their radar.
@vladtheinhailer1428
@vladtheinhailer1428 7 ай бұрын
@Greyhawk Grognard , where'd you get that snazzy T-Shirt from?
@GreyhawkGrognard
@GreyhawkGrognard 7 ай бұрын
Chet Minton's website. He did the art.
@Ravenclaw74
@Ravenclaw74 7 ай бұрын
You can reverse any decision at your table.
@mattslater167
@mattslater167 7 ай бұрын
Here's my take. Savage: language changes. Brutal or wild, depending on context, suffices. Civilized: yeah, this is a change in social ethics: I think the idea that "developed = good" is not prevalent today and comes off as unrelatable to many. After all, it's easy to point to evil as done in civilization. Also, observe that a good/evil dichotomy (or even as a legitimate alignment axis) is not inherent to the game, and has not been around from the get-go. Madness: mental illness is a touchy subject, and if I were a big corporation trying to keep my mitts clean, I would rely on the OGL and the community to do my labor here. Also, the game is played by real people, including people with mental disorders. Racial stuff: I'm with you here, except that I also see how fraught Tolkienesque "don't call it ethno-nationalism" concepts of fantasy race can be. I see why they don't want to accentuate it. Slavery references: this is where I'm with you. They could handle the subject bravely and compassionately, but no, they're cowards.
@nostromo9743
@nostromo9743 5 ай бұрын
🤡
@autisticallyaccurate
@autisticallyaccurate 7 ай бұрын
Bravo! Hail! Hail The OSR!
@JaminInDarkness
@JaminInDarkness 7 ай бұрын
Maybe I'm not playing close enough attention to this issue, but if they're making these jind of changes, aren't the game designers just start hating the premise of the game? If the players aren't "heroes of civilization", what are they? Psychopaths who go around murdering people who just have "a different lifestyle" because it's not illegal in their local kingdom? They'll end up resenting the players and PCs for wanting to play/being those kind of monsters, and it will show in the writing. Maybe they'll just change the kind of adventures available and erase dungeon crawling. But that would involve writing all new adventures, and that's expensive, so maybe not.
@johnedgar7956
@johnedgar7956 7 ай бұрын
Also, I was the 100th person to hit the Like button on this video. Surely that is some kind of good sign, ha ha. 😀
@GreyhawkGrognard
@GreyhawkGrognard 7 ай бұрын
You rock!
@jamesnell1999
@jamesnell1999 7 ай бұрын
This is what happens when your target market begins with 12 year olds.... soon it will be reduced to the carebears searching for Barney who has fallen asleep in the barn's hayloft. Oh wait, I didn't mean to infer that purple dinosaurs are lazy. Let's see if we can make friends with the orcs by throwing meat at them. Maybe they aren't evil. Maybe they are just hungry? (snark).
@matthewlane
@matthewlane 7 ай бұрын
"Let's see if we can make friends with the orcs by throwing meat at them. " How dare you throw meat at Orcs, meat is murder. Orcs only eat plants & fruits.
@jamesnell1999
@jamesnell1999 6 ай бұрын
@@matthewlane Nothing like a band of Vegan Paladins to get the combat going! 😆
@JediNiyte
@JediNiyte 7 ай бұрын
I have had it up to HERE with fragile adults. As someone who was bullied MERCILESSLY in school, even I'M thinking "you bunch of pussies need to toughen up"...
@SimonAshworthWood
@SimonAshworthWood 7 ай бұрын
The way to create resilient people is with compassion. Bullying results in people who are very cynical and resigned and depressed and anxious and people who pass on that bullying dynamic to the next generation - unless you get effective therapy from a professional or a compassionate community.
@The_Custos
@The_Custos 7 ай бұрын
​@@SimonAshworthWoodI would question the worth of therapy. My solution was to help people, and be more fulfilled.
@chrisdonovan8795
@chrisdonovan8795 7 ай бұрын
​@@The_CustosIt seems to me that younger people are encouraged to be in therapy forever. I think we might be on the same page, or at least in the same book: I think that people need to build themselves up to recognize their self worth. As you say, helping others is one way because it improves your sense of self worth. It builds confidence. I'm a PE teacher. My greatest sense of accomplishment is when I get a quiet, socially awkward, physically inept kid to get a glimpse of what they can do when they put some effort into a task.
@tacky4237
@tacky4237 7 ай бұрын
Glad i did the last of my intended WotC purchases as a gift, now no more.
@Kidharlo6723
@Kidharlo6723 7 ай бұрын
I think they should maintain a separate G rated set of rules and I guess give the normal rules an M rating, and a warning that this work contains conflicts between good and evil and entities that are biased towards one side or the other. 😂
@stevestumpy6873
@stevestumpy6873 7 ай бұрын
I play 1st edition
@underfire987
@underfire987 7 ай бұрын
Keep your old books, do not buy or support wotc they are are a cancer to our hobby and its history. I fully support delving into myth and legend, too many people have had the understanding of mythology erased from their conscious and understanding. We must work together to keep these important teachings and culture alive, that also includes this game, wotc dnd isnt dnd hasnt been for a long time, keep with the old books, suppor the OSR going forward and get new players into it.
@markhill3858
@markhill3858 7 ай бұрын
keeping the comments "civil" .. just means the speaker "dwells in a city" lol .. see my other comment on "civilised" lol
@MrRussell2020
@MrRussell2020 7 ай бұрын
Excellent presentation. Loved the segment fadeouts / splices. Many overall agreement. Wanted to note my observation is that it's about marketing. Wizards is trying to expand market and game play to Hispanic, African American, and other non-white groups,.as well as sexual fringe groups who will identify with outcast races such as Drow etc. It's not a pointless PC endeavor seeking to neuter evil in the game, it's about trying to eliminate key words that have connotative meaning for specific demographics. That's their intent. Also example: the new D&D movie with more mixed race / non-white characters than white people. Also ex. Game of Thrones, also ex Rings of Power. The demographic of the US and Europe is changing, so Wizards / Hasbro is staying ahead of that curve. Never mind that slavery existed thousands of years prior to colonialism and various races were enslaved, including white people and Jews and races of men that no longer even exist. Second point brief mention:. Homer is not "fiction". Some of the "myth" is actually fact. More of it actually was /is fact than most modern humans now can handle in their modern self-importance. All the Gods, all the heroes, many of the "mythic" beasts...humans have driven to the point of extinction both magical fourth dimension beings as well as the more traditional zoological biodiversity. The written records are still there, but humankind in its ignorance re-writes history to accommodate its selfish anthropocentric world outlook. Also it's always interesting how many people who play the "game" think this is all just some made-up "fiction" that can be altered at whim to suit whichever purpose. The actual historical record would blow their minds. Modern archeology is proving so more and more facets of ancient records are authentic history every day. So many...example the location of place that forms the basis for the Garden of Eden and Moses and Gilgamesh flood myth has been determined...it's all the land under the Persian Gulf. Before Schliemann "modern"people thought Troy was a myth too. So Gilgamesh...Not Fiction. Homer...Not Fiction. And the corollary truths that reverberate from archeology...legion in number. Too bad general the general atheist population just wants to reconcile all the magic in this world to fit into a cardboard box and call it a game. Fuit Ilium.
@jamesnell1999
@jamesnell1999 7 ай бұрын
Yes. The WOTC motivation is marketing. Anyone who thinks it's in the service of equality is fighting a scarecrow.
@MrRussell2020
@MrRussell2020 7 ай бұрын
Noah. Meant Noah not Moses. The flood myths in Sumerian Gilgamesh / Biblical Noah have their origins in the flooding of the valley of the conjoined Tigris and Euphrates rivers now covered by the Persian Gulf. At some point the sea rose above the strait of Hormuz and flooded that valley and now it is the Persian Gulf.
@Marcus-ki1en
@Marcus-ki1en 7 ай бұрын
Color and Flavor are bad, don't you know. Everything must be Vanilla and various shades of Gray. As a gamer since 1979, I am just surprised it has taken so long for it to happen to our hobby. That it is driven by a desire for profit by Hasbro just makes it ironic. Long live those of us that keep old school alive.
@SimonAshworthWood
@SimonAshworthWood 7 ай бұрын
The acknowledgment that good and evil are made up, are subjective, is not “post modern”. It’s been around since 500BC or earlier (check what the Buddha said on this topic). Ancient Greek philosophers discussed it, and Shakespeare famously said: “nothing in this world is good or bad, but thinking makes it so”.
@willmistretta
@willmistretta 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, the idea that everyone was somehow on the same page with regard to such a perennial philosophical flashpoint until, I dunno, the Kids These Day came along is so silly that it's barely worth acknowledging. But the real point here is that D&D's ethical outlook is under no obligation to conform to our world's at all. It's pure fantasy.
@SimonAshworthWood
@SimonAshworthWood 7 ай бұрын
@@willmistrettayes, but I prefer to make my worlds more like the real world. I find it immersive. E.g. I enjoy the morality of “Game of Thrones” and “Black Sails” and “Britannia”, rather than the “good and evil” of children’s cartoons or Tolkien.
@willmistretta
@willmistretta 7 ай бұрын
​​​​@@SimonAshworthWoodDifferent strokes, of course. I myself find a story like Frodo''s that examines how a more or less average, fallible person can do their best in the face of seemingly inexorable evil and the lasting personal cost they may have to pay for doing it much more compelling than the sleazeball adventures of the Knights Who Say Fuck. ;) But that's just me, though. A great fantasy game like D&D can and should have room for many interpretations of what great fantasy is. Those are the real stakes here.
@GreyhawkGrognard
@GreyhawkGrognard 7 ай бұрын
You have completely missed the point, and focusing on the word "postmodern" is simply disingenuous. The game posits that good and evil (and law, chaos, and neutrality) are objective truths. We're talking about the game. Critiques of objective morality are irrelevant, whether they come from 200 BC or yesterday. The game says good and evil exist as objective things. And that is an essential part of the game as designed.
@The_Custos
@The_Custos 7 ай бұрын
​@@GreyhawkGrognardindeed, people seem to have trouble leaving beside what they learnt at uni, and accepting what is in the game.
@jameswells5593
@jameswells5593 7 ай бұрын
Let us not allow Orwellian language rectification to quietly alter the words we use in our game world or our real world. We don't need to let these milk toasts quietly water down the intensity of our game. D&D was never intended to be politically correct. Let's not let a bunch of ninjas ruin our fun.
@The_Custos
@The_Custos 7 ай бұрын
Agreed
@cierus465
@cierus465 7 ай бұрын
Everything WotC has done to DnD since they took over has been a slow alteration of the game all in the name of their ideological agenda.
@boratliff
@boratliff 7 ай бұрын
Boccob would not approve this. There must be something to put on the scales, otherwise...
@SimonAshworthWood
@SimonAshworthWood 7 ай бұрын
Greyhawk Grognard, what are you talking about? It’s unclear from what you’ve said. Are you talking about edits to the 1st edition books on Drive Thru RPG?
@GreyhawkGrognard
@GreyhawkGrognard 7 ай бұрын
These are edits to the 5E rulebooks, both in pdf and through other digital media. A full description of the provenance is at the link in the description.
@SimonAshworthWood
@SimonAshworthWood 7 ай бұрын
@@GreyhawkGrognardah, thanks. I don’t care about 5E. I play the editions I bought in the past. I see no benefit spending in new editions when I have playable editions already. 🤗
@GreyhawkGrognard
@GreyhawkGrognard 7 ай бұрын
@@SimonAshworthWood It's probably more accurate to say they haven't changed the digital versions of the older versions... yet.
@nostromo9743
@nostromo9743 5 ай бұрын
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@farflownfalcon1076
@farflownfalcon1076 7 ай бұрын
It's a tremendously childish response from WotC. Even where the language used does not match our contemporary mores, we should be mature enough to be able to recognise that as an artefact of the past without the need for censure.
@roon-sy8fz
@roon-sy8fz 7 ай бұрын
I think most of these changes make sense if you're inclusive and subscribe to liberalism, which has certain moral and philosophical foundations. One core author belief in the modern games is that at the least every intelligent being has some value, and that all the well-adjusted intelligent beings will inevitably practice secular liberalism. Your only real options are to either be inclusive and liberal or exclusive and illiberal. The hobby has too many fencesitters who want to try and play both sides.
@MarkCMG
@MarkCMG 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. I don't think it matters if WotC wants to publish a game that is different from past versions of the game. No one is forced to play the newer games. The people who are buying into the newer games seem happy enough playing the newer games as they are being presented. No one is taking away the books we already have. No one who has a problem with the newer games is playing them or plans on playing them anyway. You're getting all worked up for nothing.
@Darkwintre
@Darkwintre 7 ай бұрын
Until they realise we aren't interested in their "game" so seek to remove anything else blocking their monopoly for example the ogl debacle.
@MarkCMG
@MarkCMG 7 ай бұрын
@@Darkwintre They can't knock down your door and take your books. I just ran my 7-8th-level 1E AD&D campaign this week at Lake Geneva Games where I help manage the store and the store will be hosting a 5E game tonight. To each their own and everyone can still play as they like.
@The_Custos
@The_Custos 7 ай бұрын
I agree completely. On villains, for my games the party have encounteted Jean Wells evil feminist tyrants and enslavers in Silver Princess, made lycanthropes for good measure, but far more savage than they is the Troll King. His many Trolls love to eat men and spit out their bones. The party will have to deal with the enslavers and savage forces to save multiple lands from evil. 😈
@worldbigfootcentral3933
@worldbigfootcentral3933 7 ай бұрын
The people who are making the changes are just deflecting, the traits that make up a villain, are the same traits they see in themselves, and so they are offended when their narcissism, egotism and moral ambivalence are called out for what they are. Evil.
@achiriaco
@achiriaco 7 ай бұрын
Can I hand you my trigger card?
@GreyhawkGrognard
@GreyhawkGrognard 7 ай бұрын
Get it punched five times and you get a free one.
@Rodrigo_Vega
@Rodrigo_Vega 7 ай бұрын
Among some good points, It seems you are conflating the need for "Mythicality" with language allusion to certain _speciffic_ myths. Namely those coded in 1900s and popularized in XXth c. pulp-culture. You assume the themes of those myths are universal and timeless and thus "neutral". But they really aren't, and although I respect some people wanting to preserve the originals as they were, I also understand why modern authors and editors might want to a different style of myth today. No, "Savagery" is not a catch-all for Evil and "Civilization" is not equivalent to Good. To the people from the time in which those words were used to divide the world, Savagery may have been _a kind_ of evil, and Civilization _a kind_ of good. But speciffically it meant some people's lived a certain way (hunter-gatherers, used primary materials, oral traditions and horizontal society) and that was bad. And some people lived in another way (Agricultural, used processed materials, written tradition and hierarchical society) and that was good. Those core ideas, inherently associated with the Savagery/Civilization theme are widely thought to... well kinda suck today. Because of all the awful things that were done because of them and... you know because they're mostly just wrong. A similar thing happens with "madness". The idea that mental illness is some contagion, a moral or spiritual failing of the soul that produces maniac killers that just can't be helped... well. You can't just take these words with such loaded connotations and say "well, to me they mean this other thing; I like to focus on this personal interpretation" and pretend their original, widespread implications really don't matter.
@worldbigfootcentral3933
@worldbigfootcentral3933 7 ай бұрын
I started playing and running D&D games in the mid 70's, and my perspective? Ah yes, the ongoing Wussification of D&D. 5E is a joke, Diaper D&D with water wings and a cry closet. Pussies.
@Owl_of_Omens
@Owl_of_Omens 6 ай бұрын
Was watching diversity and dragons on KZfaq, came over here to give a like and listen to some of your videos since you are also covering the orwellian removal of words that WOTC is doing
@AuthoritativeNewsNetwork
@AuthoritativeNewsNetwork 7 ай бұрын
"No one is truly evil, they're just misunderstood." - 1st year strixhaven philosophy major, working double shift at the campuses fantasy starbucks. Grey goo morality does not lend itself well to the fantastical heroic adventures the game was trying to emulate. Until we return to alignment being your place in the cosmic struggle, and not your flexible code of ethics, the language will continue to be sanitised. For the Greater Goo-d.
@nordicmaelstrom4714
@nordicmaelstrom4714 7 ай бұрын
Is it too much to ask that wotc just replaces its self? I honestly don't know why wotc continues to pollute our community with this garbage. Imagine paying for these digital books and then having wotc on a whim start changing things. What if the people who bought the digital books do not care for such idiotic pandering? People need to stop giving them money.
@JockoJonson17
@JockoJonson17 7 ай бұрын
Surprising that anyone still buys WOTC products. They've been terrible for a while. 😵
@PatriceBoivin
@PatriceBoivin 7 ай бұрын
I agree, I perceive that the idea of progress is now dead since everyone's opinion or preference is valid in a relative world. There is no right way or better way; improving things is no longer a societal goal.
@matthewlane
@matthewlane 7 ай бұрын
Unfortunately you have made the mistake of considering the current edition of D&D to be in some way related to the old version, when in reality they only share a name. Old D&D was played by people who loved the best and worst of fenatasy fiction, complete with all the amazing literary devices & elements of that fiction.... Modern D&D players on the other hand are just perpetually online zoomers who love Critical Role & have never willingly read a book not written by J.K Rowling. We are not the same & our D&D is not the same as zoomer D&D: Our D&D is an emulation of the best & worst fantasy fiction ever written & there's is a desire to be internet famous.
@dementedvillian
@dementedvillian 7 ай бұрын
I agree with pretty much everything here. The only problem I have is your awful sound mixing. I like your videos otherwise, but the “please subscribe” message is loud, the video intro is too quiet, the opening jingle is too loud, then the rest of the video is fairly quiet save for the fail trombones being startlingly loud.
@randyandrews1980
@randyandrews1980 7 ай бұрын
I don’t care what WotC does with their current version of the game. As soon as I realized you were talking about 5E I turned off the video.
@stephenparlin9361
@stephenparlin9361 7 ай бұрын
The always offended will be just that. Leave the current game to them. D&D as it was is dead. This new rules and mindset belongs to todays gamers whonsee things differently.
@The_Custos
@The_Custos 7 ай бұрын
I've gone old school and it's been great. AD&D first ed.
@stephenparlin9361
@stephenparlin9361 7 ай бұрын
@@The_Custos I bought the Castles & Crusades books recently and am enjoying learning that system. Very AD&D 2nd ed with a sprinkle of 3rd.
@rikk319
@rikk319 7 ай бұрын
Life moves on, it's natural, social change happens. My 21 year old son and his friends still play 1st Ed. with me, and there will always be people who play different versions. Some people his age he knows play 5th Ed. Most people his age he knows don't even play D&D at all, so it's very overblown.
@Jon71992
@Jon71992 7 ай бұрын
WoTC = 💩💩💩💩
@sebbonxxsebbon6824
@sebbonxxsebbon6824 7 ай бұрын
LOL, they went FULL snowflake, not playing anything but 1e or 2e ever! Snowflakes not welcome.
@rdmsh
@rdmsh 7 ай бұрын
Some of these changes are okay and I understand why. But I don’t like WotC being sneaky. Sharing the changes can help other writers avoid negative tropes
@markhill3858
@markhill3858 7 ай бұрын
"civilised" .. simply means "dwells in cities", as opposed to nomadic cultures etc. All other connotations "civilised" suggests "morally superior" or whatever .. thats just arrogant spin from city dweller types :) yes Rome Im lookin at YOU lol
@thomervin7450
@thomervin7450 7 ай бұрын
This. End of argument.
@markhill3858
@markhill3858 7 ай бұрын
@@thomervin7450 lol ta mate :)
@pentegarn1
@pentegarn1 7 ай бұрын
Now Hamas are loved by these young people like they are rock stars instead of terrorists that burn children alive....so its kind of become my joke that if Tolkien wrote Lord of the Rings now Éowyn would throw herself in front of her own archers "Please stop! Don't kill these Orcs. They may just be oppressed by Saruman and feel their place in the world is uncertain!" Of course my joke ends with the Orcs eating her for being delusional. lol Myth and D&D have always been good vs evil.....I don't know how they will play it now? I don't think these people today even know what evil is when they see it.
@SimonAshworthWood
@SimonAshworthWood 7 ай бұрын
The evidence is clear that the burning of Israeli children was done by Israeli helicopter gunships & tank shells fired at areas with both HAMAS & Israeli civilians. E.g. that concert and Israeli border military settlements where HAMAS had infiltrated and was taking hostages. You simply need to listen to the Israelis who survived to know that what I say is true. Try Israel’s Haaretz newspaper and video interviews of survivors for example. Israeli & U.S. militaries kill far more children than HAMAS have killed. E.g. U.S. sanctions killed 500,000 children in Iraq even before the mass deaths of children that the U.S.A. caused directly and indirectly in the Iraq War. There’s a famous clip of U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright admitting that in a TV interview. Israel has killed children on a regular basis since 1948. Since October 7th, Israel has put 1 million Palestinian children under a starvation siege & destroyed Gaza’s water, sewerage & electricity systems, causing immense suffering to those million children, and Israel has killed 4,000+ children so far.
@SimonAshworthWood
@SimonAshworthWood 7 ай бұрын
So you reckon Israel, which has illegally besieged and occupied Palestine since 1948 and has killed 4,000+ children in the past few weeks, is “good” and HAMAS, who fight to free Palestinians from Israeli siege & military occupation and have been careful NOT TO kill children (according to interviews with Israeli survivors), are “evil”? Maybe it’s YOU who doesn’t know evil when they see it? (Personally, I campaign for a ceasefire and two state solution, because I care about all people and because I know that violence begets violence and will never result in a lasting peace for anyone.)
@The_Custos
@The_Custos 7 ай бұрын
Israel is so cartoonishly evil that they have been trying to say hospitals are valid targets. Yeah, no. 🤣
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