LOST EXPLAINED PART 8 - MR EKO

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LOST EXPLAINED

LOST EXPLAINED

3 жыл бұрын

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The eighth chapter in a series of LOST EXPLAINED videos that investigate the mythology and mysteries from the seminal television series LOST. These definitive explanations are based on multiple viewings of the show over the years and careful studying of the details, clues, inconsistencies and contradictions that make up the complex tapestry of what is the greatest television show from the 2000s.
Chapter Eight explores the character of Mr. Eko. This video explains what his ultimate purpose on the island was, why he was killed by the smoke monster, and what exactly his dying words to Locke really meant. Other mysteries explored and explained include why (canonically) Eko wasn't in the flashsideways of season six and whether or not he was one of Jacob's candidate.
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@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Ай бұрын
*ATTENTION! For viewers who take issue with the text-to-speech voice* All of these older videos have been entirely revoiced and remade in better quality (and feature A LOT more detail). They have been combined together as part of a six part video series called The Theory of Everything, which you can watch here: kzfaq.info/sun/PL5iTj9psbPrNovFOg4pJJIyxiLAv2WAKB Namaste! 🙏
@HentaiMcToonboob
@HentaiMcToonboob Жыл бұрын
Claiming that the small scene of Eko and Yemi as kids is retroactively a Flash Sideways scene is genius and I'm mad I've never thought of it that way. Brilliant. I love this channel, now.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! It also helps to explain why Eko wasn't in the church or in the 2004-version of the sideways in general. He'd already moved on with his brother as children. Always loved that final moment for him, as sad as it was. It's even more moving and sweet to view it as the brothers reuniting and moving on together in the context of the sideways.
@erawa2740
@erawa2740 3 жыл бұрын
Without a doubt, Mr. Eko is one of my Top 5 favorite LOST characters. Though his presence in the show is brief, it is fundamental and unforgettable.
@houseofmatrix6174
@houseofmatrix6174 2 жыл бұрын
He definitely one of my favorite character
@ATMyles
@ATMyles 3 жыл бұрын
Eko was a great character and one of the show’s biggest missed opportunities. It’s a shame the actor wanted off. Ultimately, none of the tail section survivors played a major role in the series’ climax, making their addition to the series - with the exception of Bernard, we all love Rose & Bernard - seem somewhat pointless and distracting from the main characters. Even Cindy eventually vanished into the Others’ world.
@sackthebastard
@sackthebastard Жыл бұрын
Libby is extremely important
@dragnfly138
@dragnfly138 2 жыл бұрын
This was my favorite character in the entire show. So full of layers and the actor was amazing.
@francissellerdude
@francissellerdude 2 жыл бұрын
Eko, Ana Lucia and Libby had so much potentially to grow as characters truly sad that they had to go so early. They could've changed the dynamic of season 3 4 5 and 6
@rkarashima
@rkarashima 3 жыл бұрын
Nice! That "you're next" has always intrigued me, but it makes sense now!
@hassanalkhalaf1115
@hassanalkhalaf1115 3 жыл бұрын
One of the most interesting characters
@leestamper9451
@leestamper9451 2 жыл бұрын
He was my favorite. I couldn’t believe he died so soon
@betricecasada91
@betricecasada91 2 жыл бұрын
He was one of my favorite!
@dragonfox2399
@dragonfox2399 2 жыл бұрын
With Eko’s incredible strength and renewed faith he would have wrestled and defeated MiB with his bare hands even as the new protector of the island. Eko was a truly worthy candidate
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 2 жыл бұрын
I actually agree with this 100%. Given a bit more time and growth, Eko would have been the ideal protector for the island. Absolutely!
@argurhspatsiantas9783
@argurhspatsiantas9783 2 жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 how did the ones who left sawyer kate claire miles move on.Did they just live a normal life?
@BK-du9wc
@BK-du9wc Жыл бұрын
@@argurhspatsiantas9783 Just read some on reddit. It seems that they lived their most happiest moments in the Island. While Mr. Eko had with his brother before Island so that’s why Eko is not seen in the church and “move on”
@taylorrussell3158
@taylorrussell3158 Жыл бұрын
How did the black smoke kill Eko if he was infact a candidate
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Жыл бұрын
@@taylorrussell3158 Eko was not a candidate. I actually have discussed this in depth in my latest video on the channel. It's a bit of a fan myth.
@St_Brelade
@St_Brelade Жыл бұрын
These are great. I've been a fan of Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje since I saw him on Oz. He was only in Lost for two seasons which is a shame, but he still stood out all the way until the end.
@limpwang8941
@limpwang8941 Жыл бұрын
Mr. Eko asking Ben for forgiveness on killing his two men when being taken in his sleep was him saying “I forgive your orders and do not do it again.”
@jeffjenkins7976
@jeffjenkins7976 Жыл бұрын
Eko would have been a great protector! Man I wish he hadn't left. It's always a toss up between him and Desmond as my favorite character.
@ptitepeluche05
@ptitepeluche05 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation ! I never thought about Jacob appointing candidates after the crash.
@PhilP8980
@PhilP8980 Жыл бұрын
My favorite character for his short time on the show. Good actor too and I was sad to see him go.
@michaszkot4419
@michaszkot4419 3 жыл бұрын
While re-watching 3x05 yesterday, I've noticed one thing about the brothers: When we didn't know Eko's full story about his priesthood, he sometimes wore a white shirt with black trousers - colour scheme of Jacob's outfit. In his last episode, when Eko's about to be judged, his shirt colour changed to more beige - we see his full story and what he did even after taking his brother's place. Again, when Jacob killed his brother, his shirt wasn't pure white either - compare how he looked in 6x15 and the rest of his appearances. "Resurrected" Yemi has his priest's clothes, making him a literal man in black. Eko's lack of remorse about his previous deeds made him impossible to manipulate in MiB's grand plan. Eko's faith could've been used in a similar way MiB used Richard with probably the same effect of becoming Jacob's agent. However, that's something we could only speculate, as we don't know what Darlton had in mind for Eko if AAA didn't leave the show. Nevertheless, such a visual foreshadowing - for a lack of better word - of Jacob/MiB conflict is present in Lost since season 1 (take a look at 1x05!), even though it was done in unconscious way, as I struggle to believe that the producers planned the ultimate outcome of the show in 2004.
@MatiZ815
@MatiZ815 3 жыл бұрын
From what I know, the writers only had a very general idea of the themes for the show when they started. I think the show is so consistent because they stayed true to the themes and they probably figured out the whole mythology the moment the show became a hit so by season 2 they knew what was up.
@ZeroTolerence0
@ZeroTolerence0 Жыл бұрын
Yeah they for sure knew how they wanted to end it by season 2. The writers actually fought to end the show around seasons 3-4. But the network wanted them to stretch it to 10 seasons. So ending was already figured out, but maybe just not too much the details of in between.
@xanthoconite4904
@xanthoconite4904 3 жыл бұрын
probably my favourite character
@moretac
@moretac 9 ай бұрын
This is very impressive. His death scene from season 3 goes perfectly with the eventual revelation that dead characters and the smoke monster are the same person.
@j.c.harrisassetmanagement7939
@j.c.harrisassetmanagement7939 3 жыл бұрын
whoever is explaining these videos really knows their shit lol
@skroeloeloe
@skroeloeloe 3 жыл бұрын
man! you can really hear eko say he saw the devil and to know he moved on in his flash sideways is facinating! i always saw it as the past. That combined with the music makes LOST even more beautiful To me! Keep up The good Work!!!
@marinabassi3767
@marinabassi3767 3 жыл бұрын
I had always wondered why Eko did not appear in the sideways flashes, now I know ! These explanations you give are always so spot on, it gives a new dimension to the whole show, thanks !
@MatiZ815
@MatiZ815 3 жыл бұрын
He didn't appear because apparently the actor wanted a ridiculous amount of money for an appearance. But this explanation works really well for the in-story excuse.
@marinabassi3767
@marinabassi3767 3 жыл бұрын
@@MatiZ815 Thanks 😊
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
I actually prefer that Eko didn’t appear in the sideways because it reinforces the idea that he moved on with Yemi after his death in S3, and that different people move on with different groups.
@passuccione
@passuccione Жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Yeah, nice theory but Hurley play with Eko at chess in a flashforward of season 4
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Жыл бұрын
@@passuccione The ghosts of Charlie and Ana Lucia also appear to Hurley, but they know who they are and who Hurley is. Which means they are appearing to him *after* they have remembered their real selves in the sideways and *after* they have moved into the light. Which means ghosts appear in our world to help the living after they have already re-joined with The Source in death. Therefore, the same logic applies with Eko and the chess scene. It doesn't contradict anything. I explain this in greater detail in later videos.
@HereIsWisdom1318
@HereIsWisdom1318 11 ай бұрын
Awesome! I wondered why Eko didn’t show up at the church!
@dalmatia1
@dalmatia1 2 жыл бұрын
Mr. Ecko was one of my favorite characters. Didn't realize that his end scene was flash sideways. Makes me much happier. Thanks
@tjflash60
@tjflash60 Жыл бұрын
Mr Eko was one of my favorites.
@WarrenF19
@WarrenF19 2 жыл бұрын
This explains why the smoke monster didn't initially kill Eko... good shit sir
@loosegoose2466
@loosegoose2466 3 жыл бұрын
I always wondered how Eko could be killed if he was a candidate...but you're right..he didn't get anointed until later.
@loosegoose2466
@loosegoose2466 3 жыл бұрын
You nailed it mate. Well done. Great video.
@Eowyn187
@Eowyn187 3 жыл бұрын
Omg you analyzed it exactly like I believe it to be. Every detail. That's really cool. :)) I'm thinking you understand the MIB better than most. Look forward to watching further videos of yours.
@koinpusher
@koinpusher 2 жыл бұрын
I sensed right away that mr Eko was very important. I was shocked that he was killed and only recently learned that it was because the actor left the show. I'm wondering what the original purpose of Eko's storyline would've been
@ZeroTolerence0
@ZeroTolerence0 Жыл бұрын
One of the writers said Desmond ended up replacing most of Eko’s purpose in season 3. All the visions and dreams were supposed to be more spiritual, hence Eko being the perfect candidate for them. And he was also supposed to be the one to indoctrinate Charlie instead of Desmond. And like the video mentioned (pure speculation) I think Eko was supposed to be a candidate, replacing Claire. And also the island’s protector instead of Hurley at the end.
@sackthebastard
@sackthebastard Жыл бұрын
@@ZeroTolerence0Claire was never a candidate
@luizmedeiros8068
@luizmedeiros8068 3 жыл бұрын
I prefer mr Eko as a man of faith than Locke
@Saelondo
@Saelondo 2 жыл бұрын
I think that Eko is supposed to be an "Echo" of a kind: he mirrors, or echoes, his brother's priesthood, then Locke's faith in the button... Even his plan to build a church is a reflection of Amina's words ("you owe him a church"). So he is a vessel of ideas, and I'm pretty sure he was originally indented to become a perfect carrier for the Smoke. The final version is quite good though and consistent with his earlier unwillingness to repent.
@robdebrouwer2230
@robdebrouwer2230 Жыл бұрын
Dude, thanks, i never realised this. This show keeps surprising me after al these years
@theginganinja815
@theginganinja815 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this channel great job ! Glad to see Lost still relevant in the 2020s 0:28 Is there any info or speculation on what the plot elements were? That's really interesting
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 2 жыл бұрын
There is some vague info out there about what Eko's arc might have been going forward. He was originally supposed to have the flashes of Charlie's death going into Season Three, only he would have assigned a more spiritual significance to them. This of course got given to Desmond. Damon Lindelof indicated that they also had a longer term plan for Eko's arc (three more seasons worth of development!) that eventually got rolled up into the character of Ben going forward, but they didn't specify exactly what elements crossed over. We can only speculate from there. Most agree that Eko might have been the character to get manipulated into killing Jacob (a false god in his eyes), which makes a lot of sense. I think Ben would have played a lesser part in that particular storyline. It's interesting because the first time we ever hear Jacob's name is the episode directly after Eko's death (and the first real hint that the smoke monster was an entity that could become dead people and have a will of his own).
@hyperpotion232
@hyperpotion232 2 жыл бұрын
What i thought happened during his death scene was that he just said "I saw the devil", and Locke, as a man of faith, not wanting to incite fear and eradicate hopelessness in the rest of the group, claimed that he said "You're next", which is obviously still a foreboding message, but perhaps not as foreboding from the perspective of a man who, at this point in time, would absolutely have been willing to believe they all were truly dead and in hell, and this was indeed the literal devil, effortlessly coming to wipe them all out at his own discretion. In other words, he never actually uttered the words "Your, (Or You're) next!" at all. Could be wrong, but i feel like it's a valid interpretation.
@zenmonk5403
@zenmonk5403 2 жыл бұрын
Mr Eko also asked MiB (posing as Eko's brother) "who are you??". I think they wrote it like this to show that Eko was the first to see him as an impostor and that's why MiB got rid off him before he could warn others.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 2 жыл бұрын
But Fake Yemi gives the game away on purpose beforehand. He says: "You speak to me as if I were your brother." Up to that point, Eko (and the audience) believed this was the real Yemi's ghost. But MiB had already decided to kill Eko after his confession because Eko proved himself to not be amenable for coercion or manipulation. Hence why Fake Yemi reveals himself to be an impostor and baits Eko to his death.
@philiolynott4886
@philiolynott4886 3 жыл бұрын
Oh wow the "flash sideways" was first revealed with mr Eko, fantastic that part always puzzled me, an even more significant moment now. One theory I found too was that there were two smoke monsters? "The devil" and "the MIB". Perhaps the Devil smoke monster killed mr. Eko, jealous of his faith, in a similar way in which he tried to kill Locke when he tried to drag him into the pit?
@ReAnimatorKing0110
@ReAnimatorKing0110 3 ай бұрын
Eko was a great character, there have been stories about the alleged racism within the show coming out over the years which is sad to hear. Apparently making him an African drug lord was one of the reasons he wanted off
@ffallenaangel
@ffallenaangel 2 жыл бұрын
i loved this caracther so much, great acting and energy
@francissellerdude
@francissellerdude 2 жыл бұрын
damn i fell asleep binging these and i heard the intro music now i'm convinced im not sleeping tonight
@anondalorian3719
@anondalorian3719 Жыл бұрын
I loved Echo, he was my Dad's favorite character
@jbreezy101
@jbreezy101 Жыл бұрын
This helped a bit thanks
@apelsinoviy1
@apelsinoviy1 2 жыл бұрын
sometimes it seems to me that you are one of the writers
@danielgray2661
@danielgray2661 2 жыл бұрын
Mr Eko was definitely a candidate. Everything about him epitomises what candidates are chosen for. The reason he was able to be killed by MiB was because he wasn't touched by Jacob unlike our 4 8 15 16 23 42 candidates.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 2 жыл бұрын
The only thing that makes a person a candidate IS the touch by Jacob. And once you become a candidate you don't stop being one until either you die, or someone else takes over the role. This is proven with Kate. Her name was crossed off the wall in the cave but that didn't stop her from being a candidate. Jacob tells her: "It's just a line of chalk on a wall. The job is yours if you want it, Kate." Eko was pre-candidacy whilst he was on the island, just like Sayid and Hurley (remember they don't get activated until after they leave). The only reason the monster could kill Eko was because he was not protected by Jacob's touch.
@danielgray2661
@danielgray2661 2 жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Nope Eko was candidate no. 76 on the lighthouse wheel. He was a candidate.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 2 жыл бұрын
No, this is not canon. There is an picture on Lostpedia that shows a low-res image of the lighthouse dial. Eko's name cannot be made out on it. Barely any of the names are legible. In its current quality, I can see how one might read the name listed alongside 76 as being "Eko" since it appears to be a three letter name. But the problem with assuming this reads as "Eko" is that Jacob wrote candidate names on the dial by their *surname* not first name. Tunde was Eko's surname, and whatever the word is scrawled for 76, it does not look like Tunde. Anyway, this low-res image has no official source. It is not canon. Believe me, I have checked. I have also gone through the screencaps of both the cave wall and the dial from the actual show to be sure. Frame by frame. And Eko's name is nowhere to be seen on either. His name was omitted by the writers intentionally so it does not contradict the fact that Smokey could kill him. Eko was not a candidate hence why he could be killed by the Man in Black.
@TheGreatExperimentofLove
@TheGreatExperimentofLove Жыл бұрын
Makes one yearn to find a connection as deep as the one which calls these brothers together.
@nomadicolours
@nomadicolours 2 жыл бұрын
I felt they were prepping EKO to be the vessel for the MIB. Locke was given his role.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with this to a large degree. I think they were working out the Man in Black/Smoke Monster (and even Jacob) in Season Two, and taking the longview that Eko could play a big role in that story arc. Although I take the view that Eko wouldn't have been the vessel for MiB but instead he would have taken the Jacob-killer role that Ben eventually played. I imagine a man of god like Eko being manipulated by Yemi into doing things for a couple of seasons then finally being under the thumb of his resurrected island rival Fake Locke. The writers said they had mapped out an arc involving both Locke and Eko for the next three seasons (which would have taken us to Season Five) but they gave much of Eko's planned story ideas to both Ben and Desmond. Which leads me to believe that Eko was going to play a big role in the whole endgame of the series.
@nomadicolours
@nomadicolours 2 жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Reading your response reminds me of a lot of what I originally thought, but it's been some time since...Thanks for the response. Can't believe I am still talking about this show. I have been rewatching a lot lately. Thanks for your videos. I love them and they really are in tuned with a lot of what I thought about the show. It's nice how you put it all together. Genius! I've been sharing your videos with friends.
@batelmadar1994
@batelmadar1994 2 жыл бұрын
He was great.i relly loved him
@xXEliminatorXx99
@xXEliminatorXx99 2 жыл бұрын
Top 5 character of the season. Very sad that he left the series so early. They would have put him trough the end too
@official_dee17
@official_dee17 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing n faultless reaction. Love how detailed your explanation is you’re amazing keep your amazing work you’re a revelation 👌🏻🙌🏼
@SEVERANCE850
@SEVERANCE850 Жыл бұрын
Eko was one of the finest and strongest character in lost he must be there till last and must not be killed
@DonnyDeleto
@DonnyDeleto 3 жыл бұрын
I was always wondered that i thought MiB need a body to copy the human. I think till season 5 we never see MiB Tool someones someones form without the body (if Kate's horse and Dave wasnt also forms of MiB). What is ur opinion to this, did the writer changed MiB abilities at some point ? Why he never picked Kate's old dead childfriend or someone else important to manipulate the canidates?
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
I have uploaded a video about the smoke monster which covers some of these questions. Kate's horse is possibly the smoke monster but most likely just a horse roaming the island. We see in S3 that Mikhail kept an open stable of horses, which suggests it could have come from there. The horse wasn't literally Kate's, it just stirred up that memory in her. In the same way Mikhail's cat Nadia wasn't the same cat from Sayid's flashback when he was taken hostage by the restauranteur.
@MatiZ815
@MatiZ815 3 жыл бұрын
That's an interesting one. I did realize that Eko was being tempted by MIB and that if he did confess his sins then he probably would have been told that the only way to redeem himself was by killing the Devil (Jacob) but I thought that all the passengers were candidates already and that Eko stopped being one once he moved on and made peace with himself. That's why MIB could kill him. That did always clash with Jacob visiting Sayid and Hugo after the Island though and the idea that not all passengers were candidates makes a lot more sense. I love the take on Eko's last flashback: that it wasn't just a memory but him in the flashsideways. It seems to me that when the actor quit, the writers were determined to at least use Eko as a massive foreshadowing of the show's endgame to give the character a meaningful part. With his last episodes they foreshadowed the killing of Jacob, Locke being used by MIB and possibly the flashsideways (I say possibly because if I recall correctly, the writers came up with the afterlife stuff later on so it could be just a lucky coincidence). You mentioned that Eko's story was given to Des and Ben. Do you know any details on that and what was Eko's original story? Would he be the one to see Charlie's death? He already had a relation with him in season 2 and him having to let Charlie die would make sense for a man of faith like Eko who would be tested like Abraham in the Bible. An ultimate test of Eko's faith in the Island. I wonder what would be Des' story in that case since him seeing the future was a massive part of his arc. But I'm not sure which part of Eko's story was given to Ben: was Eko originally the one to kill Jacob? After all Ben wasn't originally meant to be a regular character so they must've improvised his story since season 3. Since they lost one character they didn't intend to lose and gained another one that they didn't account for, it makes sense that they would give one's story to another.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
Just to clarify some points: Eko was definitely not a candidate hence why he could be killed. People don't stop being candidates just because they say or do something Jacob doesn't like. I mean, how many people did Sayid torture and kill before being made a candidate? Jacob is hardly grading these people on being squeaky clean examples of moral rectitude lol. Remember Jacob's line to Kate in 'What They Died For': "It's just a line of chalk on a wall. The job is yours if you want it, Kate." The only thing that could stop someone from being a candidate is their death. Once you have been ordained as a candidate, you are one until you have fulfilled your destiny, whatever that might be, and died. Not all the passengers were candidates. There were only 360 degrees on the lighthouse dial, which means Jacob only ever selected 360 candidates in total over the years. Some people come to the island as candidates. Others come to the island because they have destinies of their own to fulfil. Causality needs more than just candidates to make things work. As for Eko's intended arc, little is known beyond the fact that the writers parsed out elements to Ben and Des. Eko was indeed meant to see the flashes of Charlie's death. We can also assume that the story elements that were passed onto Ben's character involved an ongoing conflict with John Locke. I do think that the writers were intending Eko to be the one who would ultimately be manipulated into killing Jacob -- a false idol. Ben probably would have been a chief antagonist to Jack going forward, which is how it feels in the first half of S3. As for Desmond, we know his arc would have followed the "Penny is coming for me" trajectory because it had been set-up at the end of S2, but what his episode-to-episode function was going to be remains fairly obscure.
@MatiZ815
@MatiZ815 3 жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 I also heard that Locke got Eko's story bits. The way I see it, Eko could have been either Locke or Ben in the Jacob conflict. He could have been the one to kill him and then redeem himself to serve as Hugo's #2. Maybe he'd even reunite everyone in the flashsideways instead of Des. But I could also see him as Locke in all this: he could have been tasked to bring the Oceanic 6 together, make the sacrifice and then be embodied by MIB to manipulate Locke into killing Jacob. The only issue I see here is that Locke was absolutely the perfect person to go after Oceanic 6 and Jack due to their conflicting points of view.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
@@MatiZ815 I tend to think that Locke was always going to end up in that coffin and be the motivation that Jack needed to become a man of faith. Thematically and narratively, that just makes sense. Eko wouldn't have had that same effect. However, I can absolutely see Eko's warlord bloodlust coming to the fore in wanting to murder Jacob, with Fake Yemi whispering in one ear and Fake Locke whispering in the other.
@tdiens420420
@tdiens420420 Жыл бұрын
Do you have any videos explaining why Michael wasn't in any of the flash sideways sequences? Was it because his soul was trapped on the island?
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Жыл бұрын
I discuss Michael in videos on The Whispers and the Sideways. But my most recent video on Island Apparitions dives deeper into death and the afterlife in LOST in more detail. We don't see Michael in the church because -- like Mr. Eko and Richard Alpert -- he is experiencing his own version of the flash sideways, no doubt with Walt and Vincent and the people most important to him. The Epilogue suggests that Walt returned to The Island to help "release" his father from purgatory.
@LrnecBuma
@LrnecBuma Жыл бұрын
Oh so if eko stayed would he have been ben or locke? Base off the argument over the button. I can see locke being the one questioning his faith and Eko being they one convincing him and failing and then beliving it was his spiritual mission after jacob dies (because he could still see his spirit) to bring back the oceanic 6. Hypothetically none of the plot we got may have happened if he stayed
@ClaudioMalagrino
@ClaudioMalagrino 2 жыл бұрын
You should publish this content for a careful study.
@mrpuddingpop1
@mrpuddingpop1 2 ай бұрын
Such a shame, Adawala really gave this character life. Which he was in more things
@houseofmatrix6174
@houseofmatrix6174 2 жыл бұрын
2:26 did the Egyptians make the bomb in the tunnel. As numbers countdown they turn into hydroglpics
@jhg3152
@jhg3152 3 жыл бұрын
Let me ask you a question, or more of a confirmation. So you think the island has planed out everything since the beginning of time and that the mib could have never gotten what he wanted witch is why lock doesn't die in the pit after Ben shot him? Also If the island makes people come to it as part of the plan then why did it bring echoes brother? Did it know that mib wanted to use echo and help him out by bringing his brother for some reason, or did the mib bring echoes brother. I just don't get why the island would jeopardize its plan by helping the mib use echoes brother to control echo. Was it all just to get him to press the button when lock lost fate like it could have just used another character that the mib didn't care about to take over the button. Or did the island just know that echo was to strong willed to fall for it.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
Well, it's more complicated than that. Future videos dig into this in more detail. There is an argument to be made about determinism versus free will. But that is a much longer, more involved conversation. Again, later videos literally discuss this issue. Time does not exist within The Source. Therefore, all time is happening simultaneously from its POV, which means whatever the light has influenced or done in our world has already happened (and will always happen). Its influence is inextricably tied to "whatever happened, happened." We can't really think about The Island planning things out in a linear way though. Rarely does it move people around like chess pieces (although there are exceptions, such as the time flashes), but it does heavily influence human behaviour and general causality. Example: healing John Locke's paralysis leads him down a very specific path, whereas not healing Ben Linus' cancer leads him down a very different path. But both of these paths lead towards a collision point with each other that create several key causal outcomes for The Island. Outcomes that need to happen in order for time to continue flowing and the world to continue turning. The Island isn't deciding what choices these people will make, it just knows what choices they are going to make. LOST is deeply rooted in determinism, hence the main theme of destiny.
@jhg3152
@jhg3152 3 жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 ok last question. If it doesn't determine what happens then why why does everything go it's way, and does that mean the mib could have beat the island and it was all merely a coincidence that all the people were to strong willed for him to take over.
@jhg3152
@jhg3152 3 жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 I see what your saying but doesn't that mean the source dose control what happens but at the same time can't change it from repeating?
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
The Source is a slave to itself in a way. Time, as we know it, does not exist within it. Or maybe all time is happening simultaneously, depending on how you prefer to look at it. The best way I can think to describe The Source is as the prime mover of reality. It pushes the boulder and the boulder forges a path -- creating people, emotions, causal events, etc -- that all ultimately leads back to the pushing of the boulder in the first place. To human beings, who see time in a linear chronology, this might be seen as a loop. As demonstrated in Season Five with the compass. But to The Source, which is the source of fourth dimensional time itself, time has no meaning. So this is all happening simultaneously. My analogy was just a way to help articulate the idea that The Source's influence is constant and self-perpetuating because it pushed the boulder, but it is not deciding what each single event in existence will be because, to it, everything has already happened. The Source simply must ensure everything continues to happen that way by pushing the boulder of causality.
@user-mn4dh3sy7b
@user-mn4dh3sy7b Жыл бұрын
What if Eko was a candidate and was written off from the lighthouse or cave records the moment he didnt confess to Yemi?
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Жыл бұрын
I've actually elaborated on Eko in my latest video in more detail because this comes up a lot. Eko wouldn't lose candidacy for essentially rejecting the Man in Black's manipulations. That never made sense to me. I dive into the details of it here and discuss why Eko being a candidate doesn't make any sense with what we see and learn: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lZqRmbqo3tK7dnk.html (Go to 1:07:00)
@francissellerdude
@francissellerdude 2 жыл бұрын
Why did the MIB kill the pilot then was that guy a potential candidate or something
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 2 жыл бұрын
The Man in Black cannot kill candidates. Which means the Pilot -- Seth Norris -- was not a candidate. MiB has shown that he likes to indiscriminately kill noncandidates when given the opportunity. We see him do this with members of Rousseau's team in Season Five.
@drewc.4061
@drewc.4061 3 жыл бұрын
Hi. Re Eko's candidacy. There is a full image of the Lighthouse dial on LOSTpedia that clearly shows Eko at #76. However, I'm unsure of the photo's origin.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
The only image I've ever found of the wheel in its entirety has no official source, as far as I'm aware. Also, the picture does *not* clearly show Eko's name. The resolution isn't high enough. Unless you have found a better quality version of that picture? Either way, I have gone through the screencaps of both the cave and the dial from the actual show and Eko's name is nowhere to be seen on either. As far as the canon is concerned, he was not a candidate.
@drewc.4061
@drewc.4061 3 жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 If you scroll down to the appropriate section, the resolution on this one is actually really good. I saved it to my phone and enlarged it that way. But as I say, I don't know its origin. lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Valenzetti_Equation/Theories
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
@@drewc.4061 Yes, this is the photo I am aware of. And the resolution is not good enough to read any of the names. At least not on my screen. I've tried on my phone too. It is simply not legible. Maybe screenshot the zoomed in image that you have of Eko's name and share it?
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
@@drewc.4061 I've zoomed in as close as possible, with resolution as high as possible and it's not clear to read at all. I'd love to see a clear screenshot if you can provide one because it's not working for me. In its current quality, I can see how you might read 76 as being "Eko" since it appears to be a three letter name. But the problem with assuming this reads as "Eko" is that Jacob wrote candidate names on the dial by their *surname*, not first name. Tundi was Eko's surname, and whatever the word is scrawled for 76, it does not look like Tundi.
@drewc.4061
@drewc.4061 3 жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 yes it definitely says "Eko" so you may view it with suspicion. I honestly don't know how to attach a screenshot onto KZfaq?
@thebigvacok502
@thebigvacok502 2 жыл бұрын
So he did say that he saw the devil
@Jay-kf8xx
@Jay-kf8xx Жыл бұрын
My Boyfriend cried liked a baby
@TheFourthAct
@TheFourthAct 3 жыл бұрын
I actually always thought that Eko was a candidate already. That the Candidates were candidates before they were on the island. The way I saw it was every candidate is a candidate because of a flaw that they have. Something in their past they can't seem to reconcile. This matters because candidates are meant to prove the MiB belief about corruption wrong even in the face of this lack of closure. The MiB was trying to manipulate Eko just like Locke. But to his surprise Eko withstood the MiB attempts at exploiting his flawed past and instead he owned up to it. This was good for Eko but unfortunately it also ended is candidacy (much like Kate becoming a mother did for her) thus allowing the MiB to kill him. Kind of a win-win for MiB either way. What do you think about this theory?
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
It's important to remember that not everyone who came to the island was a candidate beforehand. For example, Sayid and Hurley were not candidates when they first arrived on the island. Jacob didn't visit and touch them until long after they left. Eko was in this category too: a potential candidate but not yet officially ordained as one. We never see his name in the cave or on the lighthouse wheel. I think most people think Eko is a candidate simply because he was a spiritual character and a fan favourite but there is zero supporting evidence in the show to suggest that he was. I do agree that both Jacob and the MiB saw him as a person of interest however, for different reasons. Jacob was vetting Eko for candidacy while the MiB was testing Eko to see if he could effectively manipulate him into killing Jacob by using Yemi as a proxy (in the exact way he later uses Locke as a proxy against Ben).
@victorpradha9946
@victorpradha9946 3 жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Had Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje stayed with the series, I believe that he would have been an candidate and possibly the one who kills John or Jacob instead of Ben, being manipulated by MiB. Locke and Eko are birds of a feather with strong connections to the Island's "force".
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
@@victorpradha9946 I agree. I think the writers were planning to connect Eko with the Man in Black/smoke monster mythology. Either he was going to play the part that Ben eventually played, or he was going to play the part that Locke eventually played. Or, the Man in Black could have used Yemi to manipulate Eko into killing Jacob. There are many scenarios that could have worked involving Eko.
@majipoorcat
@majipoorcat 3 жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 according to lostpedia eko was number 76 in the lighthouse but not the cave. Was everyone who was named in those two places a candidate? Or did you have to be touched by Jacob to become a candidate? Not everyone on O815 were named in either place but some were including Scott, Steve, Edward Mars the marshal, Claire, Charlie. We just didn’t see them being touched.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
@@majipoorcat Lostpedia is incorrect. Eko's name is not on the lighthouse wheel. We see the wheel from certain angles in that episode and Eko's name is not visible anywhere on it. Check the episode for yourself if you like. We never see Eko's name anywhere on the wheel or in the cave. Trust me, I have searched high and low for photographic evidence of this claim and it is not there. And Eko's name being omitted by the writers is very telling. He was not a candidate yet before his death. Everyone named in the lighthouse and the cave were candidates. And the only way to be a candidate is to be touched by Jacob. But everyone who came to the island was always destined to go there regardless of whether or not they were in the running for the protector job. Bringing people to the island wasn't just about candidates. Everyone on Oceanic 815 had a purpose to fulfil there, even if that purpose was simply to die. Rose and Bernard weren't candidates but their advice and assistance often proved invaluable to the timeline of events.
@timothymaher3542
@timothymaher3542 Жыл бұрын
Wasn’t Eko’s candidate #76 as seen in 6x05 lighthouse, on the lighthouse list?
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Жыл бұрын
There is a picture on Lostpedia that shows a low-res image of the lighthouse dial. Eko's name cannot be made out on it. Barely any of the names are legible. In its current quality, I can see how one might read the name listed alongside #76 as being "Eko" since it appears to be a short name beginning with E. Looks more like “Elmo” to me. But the problem with assuming this reads as "Eko" is that Jacob wrote candidate names on the dial by their *surname* not first name. Tunde was Eko's surname as Tunde was Yemi’s surname and Eko goes by Father Tunde once he becomes a priest, and whatever the word is scrawled for 76 it does not look like Tunde. Anyway, this low-res image has no official source. It is therefore not canon. Believe me, I have checked. I have also gone through the screencaps of both the cave wall and the lighthouse dial from the actual show to be sure. Frame by frame. And Eko's name is nowhere to be seen on either. His name was omitted by the writers intentionally so it does not contradict the fact that Smokey could kill him. Eko was not a candidate hence why he could be killed by the Man in Black. Once someone is ordained as a candidate they stay a candidate until either they die or someone takes over the island protector role. Jacob confirms as much to Kate in the penultimate season six episode ‘What They Died For’.
@timothymaher3542
@timothymaher3542 Жыл бұрын
Works for me! Thanks for the clarification. This is one of the little things that always bothered me as I’m sure it would work in the creators/audience best interest by ‘solving’ the Eko issue by simply saying he ‘wasn’t’ a candidate. If his name isn’t seen, problem solved! Thanks again.
@jimmymcshane6804
@jimmymcshane6804 Жыл бұрын
This my be overly didactic, but why would Eko become a candidate after MiB is him?
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Жыл бұрын
I don't think the Man in Black necessarily planned to become Eko in the way he later does with Locke, but he certainly was interested in manipulating and coercing Eko into doing things via Yemi's influence. Eko was pre-candidacy, not yet on Jacob's list (much like Sayid and Hurley). A potential candidate, but not yet ordained or protected from the Man in Black.
@jimmymcshane6804
@jimmymcshane6804 Жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 I see. So, the name being written on the wall doesn't mean that they were officially candidates, but potential candidates. Only people who were physically touched by Jacob were actually candidates?
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Жыл бұрын
If the names were written on the wall of the cave or the on the lighthouse dial then they were official candidates. If the names are crossed off then it means they have died and are no longer in contention for the role. What I'm saying is that Eko had not yet been made a candidate, but he might have been someone Jacob was considering. Remember, Sayid and Hurley didn't get made candidates until *after* they left the island. And Hurley turned out to be the future protector. And this also means their names were written down much later than people like Kate, Sawyer and Jack. The point being, some key characters on the island weren't candidates when they crashed. They were only potentials at that point. I think the confusion with Eko (and whether or not he was a candidate) is the result of a low-res image of the lighthouse dial prop on Lostpedia. Many people think they can read Eko's name on the dial via this pic, but it's literally impossible to make out. And even if the name "Eko" could be read from that picture, it wouldn't be accurate. Because Jacob wrote the names of candidates down by their *surname* not their first name: Shepherd, Locke, Austen, Ford, etc. And Eko was his first name. I know he went by "Mr. Eko" as a warlord, but his actual surname was Tunde. We know this because Yemi's surname was Tunde and he called his brother "Eko". He wouldn't call him that if Eko was a surname. Basically, it's a misconception that Eko was a candidate. I think it's because he was a fan favourite and fans want him to be on the list! Nevertheless, Eko's name cannot be read on the wall or the lighthouse dial in any frame of the actual show itself. I've checked lol. He was never a candidate at the time of the crash or before he died. He was merely a person of interest to the Man in Black (and possibly Jacob).
@jimmymcshane6804
@jimmymcshane6804 Жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 oh, that's interesting. And it makes sense.
@polarbearhero9803
@polarbearhero9803 2 жыл бұрын
Great videos. Very little to disagree with. But don’t call Mr. Echo a priest. He wasn’t and if his parishioners in Africa knew he wasn’t a priest they would see all the sacraments he gave them invalid. They would’ve horrified.
@sithari518
@sithari518 2 жыл бұрын
God I hated Mr. Eko. Could not stand him, can't really say why, I just didn't see any redeemable qualities in him unlike the rest of the characters. Could you imagine if he had stayed on and they made him the Man in Black at the end instead of Locke?? God that would have been hoorrible! Kind of predictable as well.
@warrioroffpeace3673
@warrioroffpeace3673 2 жыл бұрын
Redeemable like when he took all the dead body’s out the water? Safe sawyer? Helped Charlie?
@ponythroat1405
@ponythroat1405 9 ай бұрын
It killed him becuase that actor had to leave abruptly. Just like anne lucia.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 9 ай бұрын
Yes, this is well documented. But that’s not the in-show explanation.
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