Jacob really doesn't give a fuck. It's actually more salient in that way when we hear all about how jacob wants this and that, and he's sitting on the coast like idgaf y'all. I'm just waiting to be killed.

@@Saldio lol true. He just chillin' inside the remains of the statue for... I don't know how long has he been the protector of the island, was it 1000 years or more? Some say long time ago before christ. What's more unique is he can travel around the world as long as he wants. The question is, how did he get out from the island? Is he using the boat? Lol. And then in the outside world he can blends well with the people around him. I'm sure he ever stay in a hotel with a girl once;)

@@dhelsgade what is Jacob? He’s immortal but is that science based or sci fi

​@@007FusiionYou r funny!

He's superb in everything honestly.

And in Supernatural as Lucifer

And its like the only show in which he's a good guy. Refreshing, truly.

What if Mother wanted to separate the role of the Island's protector and the role of the security system (Smoke Monster) into two individuals. Before that, it was just one person doing both which was a kind of damnation because that person would be protecting but in doing so killing a LOT, and thereby losing their humanity. Maybe that's why Jacob recruited "damaged" people to the Island...he wanted to give them a chance to remake themselves and but also understand what the darkness that inhabits humanity is. Most of them would have had some direct familiarity with that darkness.

​@@victorpradha9946yes this is exactly right. Mother always wanted it to be mib because she knew only he had the strength to handle being the monster and Jacob was too innocent and fragile. But mib was too immature and exploration to be the protector, he just wanted to leave and use the light rather than protect it. Thats when she realized it was always supposed to be him but mib should take the bad part of bei g the protector, being the smoke monster.

With KZfaq. I have the power. To talk to people. IN THE PAST. I think that was the direction given to him.

Petscop

*_Jacob: "..... Seriously... what's down there?"_* *_Mother: "FUCKING WINCHESTERS!!_*

The warp core of our starship.

Thats the one part of the island that he has never been and the survivors had

@@andybrookes4721 well desmond magnetic man anyone else who "survived"

Your explanation is canon and makes perfect sense, especially how the Black Smoke adopts the MIb’s identity and brings out the worst of him. MIB isn’t inherently evil, but the black smoke makes him that way. However, I haven’t seen any evidence that this all returns back to normal when Hurley takes over.

I dont think the black smoke returns to the heart, I think that was the evil and part of it had escaped and was lurking down there, waiting for someone it could use. Then when Jack killed it, that evil was gone forever (unless someone tries to reach the light and take it again). Its like the light is everything good but the evil derives its power from temptation which drags people into trying to take the light for themselves, unknowingly releasing part of the evil it contains when doing so.

@@jxsh03 i think the black smoke is part of the evil that was used by mother to protect the island. There are several references to this in the series. like the tunnels under dharma, and i dont remember who but characters were saying that the black smoke is a protection system as well. Also (this wasnt explicit) mother used the black smoke to kill the tribe to prevent jacob's brother from reaching the heart. i think there will always be evil, good and rebirth in the heart of the island as mother said.

I've been thinking about this and reading everyone's opinions for a long time and I believe your comment is the closest and most accurate answer that we can possibly get. I like to believe that that the black smoke by itself is not evil or the evil that the island and it's guardians are supposed to stop from escaping. The real evil if we want to call it that is the the light from the source being extingushed causing the island and the rest of the world connected to it to be destroyed. Jacobs view of the black smoke is flawed when he sees it as evil because it wants or rather his brothers consciousness wants to leave the island and in order for it to do so, the island would be destroyed in the process. The original black smoke created by the island has the sole purpose of guarding the source and making sure the light is not extinguished. Presumably the current guardian of the island can summon the original black smoke for protection and to eliminate threats to the source if necessary. The default resting place of the neutral black smoke is in the cave where it protects the source / heart of the island and listens to the current guardian. When it is in this state, if someone went into the source, they would merge with the black smoke giving the black smoke their consciousness. No normal person can do this usually as only the guardian of the island can find the source, that is until Jacob drags his brother there. Now that the black smoke has the consciousness of the person that merged with it, it is free to do as that person wants. It can leave the cave and roam around the island but is still binded to the rules and powers of the island or guardian perhaps. In Mothers case it doesnt really matter if she went in the cave or not and if she was a smoke monster or not as her goals and the black smokes sole purpose were exactly the same - to protect the source and not let the light go out. If Mothers consciousness merged with the black smoke, she would still try to protect the source as the black smoke. If she didn't go into the source, she could just summon the black smoke when she feels she needs to eliminate a threat like the camp well. Wether she destroyed the camp as the black smoke herself or summoned it is irrelevant but it is most probable that she had merged with the black smoke given all the hints we were provided with. So long as the light in the source is there, the black smoke will also be there and can never truly be killed itself. When Jacob's brother stabs mother in the back with the ritual dagger method, he merely kills the consciousness of Mother that was merged with the black smoke, and the black smoke simply returns to the source in it's neutral state again ready to protect the source and listen to the guardian if needed. After Jacob's brother is thrown into the source, his consciousness merges with the black smoke. All Jacob's brother has ever wanted to do is leave the island which creates a contradiction between him and what the black smoke is meant to do which is to stay on the island protecting the source. Jacob's brother could of left the island at any point before merging with the smoke if his Mother had let him. After merging with the smoke, he becomes binded to the island like the smoke is. The only way for him to leave now is to extinguish the light in the source. This removes the black smoke from existance and unbinds him so that he may leave, although the whole island and the rest of the world begins to get destroyed until the cork is replaced. From this fact we can see that the black smoke itself is not inherently evil as it is a creation from the good light in the source whose purpose is merely to protect it. The light provides the power of the black smoke and when it is extinguished, the power of the sources protector is lost until the light is brought back. We see throughout the show that the black smoke is generally regarded as a security system. It makes sense to assume that if Jack and Kate did not kill the Man in Black when the cork was removed, the Man in Black would regain his black smoke powers if the cork was replaced. In the events of the show, the Man in Black or at least his consciousness is killed when he is shot and kicked off the cliff. The fate of the black smoke becomes ambiguous after this point. When the cork is replaced by Jack, does the Black Smoke get created again at the source or is it gone for good? Does Jack's consciousness get merged with the new black smoke whose purpose is also to protect the source? Does Jack get spit out and die before the new black smoke is able to merge with him and now Hurley is in control of the Black Smoke if he wants to use it? Some theories suggest that Jack did infact merge with the Black Smoke and protected the island for far longer than any of the other people were on the island for which is why he is the last person to be reunited with all of his friends in the church and is why he has the hardest time remembering his past life as it has been such a long time for him compared to everyone else. I'd like to believe that all of the magical powers including the black smoke comes from the source itself and the island chooses who it bestows gifts and powers upon, making them special. The creators of the show liked to think of the island as a character itself. Personally I think Jacob's brother was the most tragic character in the show.. His real mother was murdered, he spent his whole life trying to just leave the island and even was the only person to care about his brother enough to try and take him with him but his fake mother wouldn't let him, then Jacob in his rage permanently makes him chained to the island for 2000 years. It's sad to see that they talk to each other like brothers still but he has grown to hate Jacob as he wont let him leave now either and it's understandable he will do what ever he believes is necessary to leave. And finally at the very end when he is able to leave, he gets killed, he never sees the world beyond the island in all his time alive and yet Jacob could leave the island whenever he felt like it. Welp, after all these years this is what I've come up with...probably sounds crazy and I'm not sure even if I can believe it all myself but there's just some things we'll never know and I guess that's one of the reasons that made the show so great and still has us questioning it and coming up with ideas still.

@@simwin Was so interesting to read , thank you for posting this !

Desperate times desperate measures I guess

Guitaristmalakian and Jack didn’t repeat their words used by Mother and Jacob either, so who can say if Jack even did anything to Hurley - perhaps the line just ended there

@@Damon242 I think the words they say is a red herring and only said to convince the person of the immense responsibility by making it seem like a supernatural ritual; when really all they have to do is drink the water that they enchanted simply by touching it.

@@jxsh03 and they nead to say now you like me, or now we the same, if you dont say it its not going to work

@@jxsh03 It's about will. That's the ability the light gives. The mother told them everyone has a bit of the light in them, but they always want more. That means having more light gives more abilities to a person, the ability to extend their will through thought. But the light itself is like a base power that can be shared and given away, so it's not actually taking or giving light, but rather, someone long ago did manage to take some of the light, and the power of that same light has been passed down through the sheer willing of it. The wine and water itself means nothing, it's just a ritual. The real effect comes from Jacob's will in his mind that basically says "If they drink this, they have the same power as me", and so they drink it, and then they do.

Maybe because he’s naive and wouldn’t take it seriously

Mother loved Jacobs brother, she said that right before she died

Why was he bad? He protected it for millenia

Kyle the commentary also suggests that the contraption you see in the series finale may not yet have been built during the events of this episode

@@Damon242 I assume you mean the cork? Yes, it seems to be insinuated that the cork and the water system was put in place after this moment. Jacob clearly wasn't a great protector as many got to the source and fucked with it.

@@kyle1137 So, who else got to the source? I mean just random people down through the ages I guess? And someone built the device with the cork?

@@kbanghart Well the temple seems to be built by Egyptians, along with the statue so its very plausible they built the water system to funnel the water from the source to other parts of the island like the Temple.

@@kbanghart From wiki: "The stone cork seals the hole of The Source, and has four lines of inscriptions on it. The first two lines appear to be written in Egyptian hieroglyphics while the final two are written in cuneiform.

Maybe to show that it was just symbolic

Correct. You'll notice how there is a vertical beam of light shooting out of the cave in the same fashion as the light Desmond shone to Locke from inside the hatch in Season 1.

but the hatch was built afterwards, and it's a machine

it's like the anti-cave

You are absolutely right!

@@floydpinkerton7954 Yeah, and of course they redo the shot of Jack and Locke staring down into the hole.

Jesus took of the cup and drank the wine shortly before he was crucified. the cup and wine represent his blood and sacrifice

It’s the wellspring of our life force.

@@stewartplays then if turned off, should it not have had an effect of death? The island’s forces were cancelled out and the island began to fall apart instead. Electromagnetism is responsible for holding matter together and so I remain confident with my original post from 10 years ago

How do you know how old she was? She could have been 2000 years old.

@@RadagonTheRed We will unfortunately never know how old she was.

When she saw those 2 babies, she saw her chance of getting rid of her responsability (more like a curse) of protecting the island.

@@superlucas010578 I guess it depends on your perspective. Some people would see it as a great responsibility, others as a curse.

@@superlucas010578 She could be killed, she just couldn't die of natural causes. It makes sense that she would worry about having a replacement. It's not just about protecting the living world either, it's also about protecting the afterlife. If the light goes out, everyone in the afterlife disappears too.

Plowbeast Actually there are examples of earlier period metalwork from the Roman Empire of far more intricate providence than that cup.

This show had the potential for many spinoff shows

Like, 1670 BCE.

The wiring was good. Mib and Jacob have been cut off dumb the world their whole lives so they had that childish innocence. It's too show that they were just regular people before.

This episode? It was literally considered one of the best ones of this season, or maybe of any season.

@@armysniperman80Unfortunately, that’s not true. The reviews for this ep were mixed at best when it first aired.

@@pt5137 I guess that's true. I was thinking how it was one of the 2 most anticipated, along with Ab Aeterno. It did raise more new questions than it answered. Which is something it shouldnt have done so close to the end.

Or did he? He saw the future and ensures everyone played into his designs.

He didn't have a choice

Or she accidentally ended up in the source, or because she was curious. Maybe she was her own version of MIB, but then realized the error of her way and decided to take on the mantle. Maybe the other she was with didn't want to bring more people to the island to replace them, but she knew they needed to eventually, so they had a disagreement and she had to kill them in order to be able to start bringing people to the island. Maybe she was even unwittingly sacrificed in the light in some kind of ritual, and became the smoke monster that way. Maybe the first person with the power had to become a smoke monster to bring the power into this world. She said it's worse than death to be a smoke monster. Maybe that means that when a person becomes a smoke monster, they don't go to the afterlife. We know she never appeared to MIB or Jacob after she died, so that must be what she meant by worse than death, it keeps you from having an afterlife at all.

The orchid was directly connected to the heart

Than?

Well as all over the world scientists wanted to discover and use godly power to dominate the world.

Ceviz From us - and from Him.

Also after 5 Years: I think pple get the whole thing wrong. In fact the world is hellish bad and via sciene they tey to enter this place where you can clean and repend or die and find freedom but also they can change the natural ongoing. Jacob just starts to direct little amounts of people to there to prove his brother wrong and on the other side his brother wants to go to stop this from the core of the problem in the human world.

They explain it in the episode whet rose goes to see a faith healer. There are pockets of electromagnetic energy that can be harnessed. It's the source of power for the protector