Great comment. Thank you.

Simplify to the true social and civil principal. The rights and responsibility of the individual.

And indistinguishable in genitalia!

Well men did that when they were in charge but now the feminist thinking dominates everything now

The way to maximize the potential of women is to teach them from the time that they are little that they need to grow up and find a good husband to have a family with, not to start a career first and never get married and end up a frustrated single mother or lonely

Having children is still better than nothing. Everyone's story is going to end differently. Having adult children who can check in and see if elder abuse is occurring is something at least. I hope more conversations happen around this topic.

​@@louiseevaonthepathI also know at least one elderly person who was pushed out of her own home by her greedy son. There are 2 sides to this, and the point still stands that old age is shit for most people.

That's the truth

Agree with that, I’ve noticed a number of friends come from broken families, and they don’t talk to their parents (perhaps a few times a year at best). I’m from an Asian family and I speak to my mum twice a day and she visits regularly. I have no children, but I was never selfish enough to put my desire for children in front of what is best for children. I never met the person that shared the same values, and I wasn’t going to live a life not being respected. Everyone’s story is different as to why they don’t end up having children. Even if you do, you better hope your children respect and love you enough to check on how you are. Modern families are not like that from my observation.

Anecdotes. Some people with kids will die alone but all the people without kids will die alone. So….

Absolutely, I so much relished the week I spent in hospital with both of my babies and also the fact that the nurses understood new mothers were exhausted and arranged things to take the pressure iff you a bit. They don't do that now.

So what? Go home and bond there. It's a far better environment anyway. Seriously,... Why the hell are you there for weeks???

My son and daughter were both born while I was living in Japan, and there they spent a week in hospital after giving birth, then the doctor asked her to come once a week to see that she was feeding properly and all was well. Japan has one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world, and though the birth rate is dropping radically there, it still 120m+ - yet they can achieve this. 'Motherhood' has a certain sanctity about it.

@@StephenSeabird The Idiocracy explained why Japan has a low birth rate. Most people are like the first couple, unsure about having kids in such an unstable economy. The Cleetuses and Trayyvon Jr's were wiped out by harsh ecology, or they did seppuku.

My parents divorced when i was 16. I am 33 now and honestly, it kind of gets even worse with time as you are reminded at every milestone that your parent's new relationships are more important to them now than your own children and neices etc. Considering divorcing my own parents to stop the emotional one sided demands of it all.

@@SamOwen55 that’s terrible, and sad. So much damage is done and the parents just want to move one with their lives. I often said during my divorce that it would have been far easier if he had died. He had to make me hate him because he couldn’t handle the guilt of his cheating. It’s been acrimonious ever since. Now he’s poisoned my own children against me, which happened over the years of undermining, and they are living without contact with their own mother now, all because it serves my ex husband’s ego better to have it that way, even though my children are suffering as a result. When they are as old as you, they’ll probably realise and it may be too late by then. If he had died, none of that screwing up would have happened. I wish I’d known how it would turn out when I was younger. I would not have had his children if I’d known I’d have to raise them on my own, in the face of him trying to make life as difficult as possible at every turn.

My father cheated on my mother and I was glad when he left. He was an alcoholic and treated my mom like dirt. At 15 years old, unbeknownst to me, I became a feminist. Never missed him at all. Finally peace at home.

Why are we apparently so dissatisfied? Expectations? Ability to evade consequences?

As a person whose mother died when I was 4, I can say that it was bad, but that it affected the adults differently to me. They understood the long term, they had to rearrange their lives to care for me and baby brother. Throughout that time I had a stable and loving environment (we became that 3 generation family for a while) and I was repeatedly told about my wonderful mum and how proud she would be of me. Divorce is fracture with no real way of healing, sometimes. I know some people make it work, I know blended families can work too (I am part of one), but as an adult I can look back on the trouble my step brother had with his parents' divorce and being moved into my family and really appreciate how that was hard for him. He was very defensive of his Dad.

The 24hr post-Caesarian discharge shocked me.

I don't know if you've read her book but if you haven't, read it if you can, you're going to love it. One of the best feminist books i've read in many years...

Just had my second child end of last year, caesarean section, was discharged 24 hrs later, with only my husband to look after our first daughter. Thankfully, I gave over 5 years gap, so she was old enough to run some little errands. Isn't this the norm?😂

@@teecee2211 Your husband was old enough to run some little errands? That's a bonus. 😁

I love her new podcast - Maiden Mother Matriarch!

Thank you for your honesty.

Four is alot. I live in a liberal country where most women work. Lots of working moms. Most have 1-2 kids. Some married have no kids

its already eating the middle class, unfortunatley

Interview contains nugget that South Korea has lowest birthrate, and this is despite having relatively closed borders.

The Government and 'those in control' help push women into work allowing more taxes to be raised and pushing down wages for all. So all those feminists that are praised for helping women - not really the true story. Then the creation of the pill allows women to sleep around with very little consequence (the main one being - getting pregnant), so the natural hypergamy that is present for good reason, allowed women to sleep with better men with no consequence of pregnancy, although longer term women become bitter at all men, when these 'top' men don't settle down and keep sleeping with young women. So many other reasons.

@@spring-heeledjack3340 Yeah, dwindling birthrates is not something you can balme immigrants for. They happen to countries which do not take on half a million Middle Easterns a year too. I mean Russia has got hermetic borders but invades other states to steal their kids, literally.

If that's the case, how come south Asian families keep their extended families intact in the UK and do better for it on the whole? I agree there is a cultural attack on the family in the west. But I think it comes from middle class intellectuals somewhat dictating from their bubble. When immigration is done well, (slow paced with an infrastructure to support it) societies benefit and become less racist. When immigration is done at a high/fast rate for employers to make the biggest profits taken to offshore accounts and screw the community. Then this creates devides and resentment that's pulls communities apart.

These changes have all been driven by women and femunists! High taxes to pay for social security. No fault divorce. Hormonal birth control family court system Child abuse moral panics. Two income families. Hookup culture. #metoo etc etc Don't like the society women's complain g has wrought? Tell other complaining women to shut up!

Many of them gladly played along, to indulge their egos and materialism.

@@davidadiwego4608 I think women are more open to social contagion. It's their strength (social aggression replaces physical aggression) and also one of their biggest weaknesses. Females often lean into hierarchy and popularity over truth, for survival reasons. This is why we need to break down and talk about toxic Femininity so women can manage this issue much better. Toxic Femininity - gossiping, shaming, defaming, passive aggression, trading compliments for compliance, focusing on how one looks to others in order to get what they want, and caring much less about how their authentic self and their accountability. Western women have been hugely infantalised and lied to by feminism imho.

Yes feminism provided us freedom to live life on our own terms and not have to marry

​@@YesBruv105 It's actually the conservative women that have been in infantalized to believe that men have to lead

If those things are so great for women then why was feminism even needed in the first place?!

* bear children

@@DieFlabbergast 🤣

This Louise Perry is a babe.

It is strange that a former musician can do a better job at interviewing people than journalists that have been doing it throughout their career.

​@@ciarancrowley2516 He has a naif openness about his areas of ignorance and the charm to make it endearing. Makes him very authentic.

@@hugor1338 I think he actually makes an attempt to like the people he interviews as well

@@ciarancrowley2516 I think it’s his ability to really listen and collaborate, both which are important skills as a musician. Strange indeed that journalists seem to have lost this skill. We live in an age of narcissism, indeed.

He is remarkably humble and self effacing for a handsome young dude whose band was massive.

Do we?

Are the 5 of the same father?

Which means men have to be in charge again. Women think they can have it all but unfortunately they cant. You have to sacrifice something in order to have a family.

@@KD400_ Unfortunately, at least here in Austria, most salaries aren't high enough for a father to support the whole family. By the way, most single, working women aren't in this situation because they "wanted it all", but because their marriages/partnerships didn't work out for some reason. "Some reason" usually being infidelity of their men or alcoholism or some other breaking of trust (you don't just leave on a whim when you have small children to take care of). An many, many women are left by their partners for another/younger woman. About half the families I know have problems with staying faithful in longterm partnerships. Men aren't biogically made for monogamy. Back in the days of my grandparents it was normal for a woman to be financially dependant on her husband. She would receive a monthly household stipend and would keep book on the expenses as proof that she wasn't frivolously spending money. It wasn't uncommon for the man to have a girlfriend on the side or to go to the whorehouse. So the problem we have is the strong libido of men and the fact that the modern woman expects her man to stay faithful to her alone for a time-span of up to 50 years. This is not a realistic outlook. The "marriage model" developed in a time when people didn't live that long. Dying from childbirth or a disease was common. Therefore it was rare for marriages to last longer than 10 years. If someone did reach 75 years of age, they usually had gone through several marriages in their lifetime. So fidelity wasn't really an issue back then. Now that the average life expectancy has gone up to 80 for both sexes and fidelity is expected, it is an issue.

@@mehitabel325 I don't know about ur situation but yes I understand some women don't become a single parent by choice. But obviously ur kids and other kids are better off with a father figure or another masculine figure in the household

​​@@mehitabel325 everything you said here is the part that everyone continues to gloss over! I was raised by a single mother I'll be damned if I let a man make me into one! That was a nightmare I cannot relive that again!!!

@@AdelTheForsaken I also thought I could avoid this by choosing my partner very carefully - a smart hard-working guy in a crisis-safe profession. Our relationship lasted 12 years and he wanted to start a family. He was quite moralizing and condemned any intances of unfaithfulness or dishonesty amongst our friend-circle. Imagine my surprise when Mr. "Better-than-Thou" falls in love with someone else and leaves me with a baby and a toddler from one day to the next. At that point there really wasn't much I could do about it except make sure I received financial settement. Because if your partner leaves you at a time when you need him the most, then he can never be trusted. Of course I was stupid as well; should have noticed some red flags much earlier on.

But that is the way it is expensive for those just able to afford it, until circumstances change, like higher fuel prices, inflation, NET Zero policies, sanctions on a strategic supplier of materials, increasing population or a reduction in rented accommodation, etc.

@@NorfolkSceptic War is a fact of life and inevitable, to be dealt with as any other hardship.

@@awuma But War isn't compulsory, especially when Defeat looks like the best outcome, which looks like the current administration's objective.

A stay at home wife is not “expensive”. Generally the income that the wife makes isn’t worth the extra expenses and taxation. Economics aside, it’s FAR more expensive to pay strangers to raise your kids for you. It sacrifices your child, your relationship with them and society as a whole.

The main problem is that most people can't even afford to live in a house on one income anymore. So maybe if you don't want to send your kids to daycare you could raise them in a high-rise one-bedroom apartment, but that hardly seems ideal either. Daycare isn't so expensive that it equals the cost of losing a whole salary, at least not where I live.

Yes! Why should sickos and idiots also be making children?

She didn't say much useful. "We want to keep the good parts of feminism but force men to be traditional again" isn't smart or useful

@@timthetiny7538 IT really depends on what you consider smart. If you're saying it isn't smart because you disagree, then there's nothing useful here for you at all. Because while she isn't as extreme as say Mary Harrington, she is still making the basic argument, 'well then, what do we do?' It's an open question. and I think in part vague for a good reason, because her target audience is those that .. really, really want to believe in feminism, but know deep down it's mostly bollocks. It's meant to open questions more than answer them. to make a somewhat milder case that, look the stats don't look good, and here's what has worked before. Whereas with Mary it's a much sharped in your face damning argument against feminism, and a stark turn away from anything that could be misconstrued and 'progressivism.' But basically bother Louise and Mary agree 99.5%, only at some of the more meta political stuff might they find themselves disagreeing. Loise's thrust is a logical takedown of the depravity of the sexual revolution, whatever good it may have done for freedom, it's come at a huge cost. Because without guardrails, some level of cohesive level of sanity beyond just 'consent' and 'live and let live' the science is proving this is going to destroy us. And she says it in a very cordial and comprehensive non-judgmental way. That ultimately, western man, you sit at a crossroads. And really the even more interesting part, is all the dark web has shifted this way, seeing the trees in the forest now. It's making sense, social media, screen time writ large, all technology unfettered by moral constraint is quite literally destroying humanity, if for no other reason than it's broadly distracting us from even breeding. But she makes much more polite points. And it can't be understated here I don't think that while her softer less critical approach is maybe not as informative, she is still nonetheless one of the few attempting to bridge that gap between the feminist view and traditional conservatism, but not implicitly for the same of 'being conservative' but because being honest that's where the adult road leads to when you supplement your world view with enough factual undergirdment. most leftists cannot engage even at this level, but some listening to Louise might. Far too much (most imho) of our world views are simply a difference of the boys and girls and how we process the world around us.

I have three children. It's a nightmare.

She's also lying when she says research shows women who don't have children aren't happy later in life. It's the opposite. Multiple research shows that women who do not have children are happier. A lot of these women so desperately want other women to join them in parenthood misery. They feel cheated that other women have opted out.

@@sarahrobertson634 Did you want children and why did you go onto have 3? Are you in a happy marriage and are your finances ok?

@@RedArtistx Paradoxically, it's also really great, but that's because my family is amazing. Society shits all over motherhood, which is the nightmare part.

Unless you've squeezed them out, mate you've got no idea lol It's definitely not a skip down a garden path, and I had relatively short labours

I have worked in care, and when you are old it’s far better to have someone who can advocate for you. Take care with your decision on not having children. Someone has given birth to you since the Dawn of time. Lifestyle wears thin in time. I mean this kindly.

totally agree. My neighbour who's an 84 year widow, her children live in Japan/Kenya. Having children/grandchildren clearly did not secure a family lifestyle in her golden years. The same outcome is looking likely for my mother of 4 children, who all married international spouses.

@@nelliedean7088 Thank you. I am 68 so too late now :)

Say it louder for the close minded people who think there’s only one way a woman should live. It’s as if we aren’t even human when they start getting on like this. Unbelievable arrogance.

Then do not have children and not everyone is called to marriage and parenthood, but this sort of conversation needs to be had. I agree with Louise Perry for more religious reasons, but our conclusions/thoughts do align.

I suspect that's because most people have put their children in daycare when they were young, and now the adult children are just modeling that behavior towards the parents. It's the whole "Inconvenient people are someone else's problem" idea that was expressed and rightly or wrongly, the children absorbed and are now acting on.

@@luthiengsOr maybe because they couldn’t afford to do otherwise?

but when you have children they could visit you in the nursing home and pay for it

Or ruin themselves legally/financially for no good reason.

While that's true, TBH, in the context of discussions like this I don't think the thing people are hung up about is the legal particulars. A couple who lives together, raises children together and is economically and socially co-dependant is 'married' for the sake of most of these arguments.

@@merrymachiavelli2041 Totally. So no need to involve superstitious rituals or the government so you can get railroaded by 3rd wave feminism. As a female friend of mine says, "Not every women would, but every woman *knows* that she could".

@@merrymachiavelli2041 ... and in many countries now, co-habitation and children over a certain interval of time make the informal arrangement legally equivalent to marriage in terms of property, support and childcare.

@@awuma They, but I'd still argue the ones marriage imposes on mem is mote pernicious.

For someone who complains about feminism being a lucury belief, she sure falls for the idea that having children isn't a luxury belief.

At one time, people could put money into savings and investments. Now the system prints money too fast for that to be effective.

A decent life partner is the issue…and so is economic dependence

There literally are not enough of them having kids to even support the elderly care needed in the coming decades

@@baxterandcotton Even all those looney tradcon women having 10 kids? Do you mean to support the tax base ? Or what

In addition, I love joking about how the Idiocracy will continue to screw and shit out kids like rabbits.

What a particular case of demographic study France is, right? Almost 30 million in the early 18th century. It took 200 years to finally double it. Definitely can't handle the military burdens it used to.

I often say "I was dragged out of non existence without my permission and refuse to do that to someone else."

Are you going to kill yourself?? Like seriously what is the plan

@costellocozier Costello. I’m treading deep waters here, but I think there is a great need for Christianity in the world for those who live in former Christian societies. Unfortunately the the Western Catholic Church, and to a greater extent theProtestant Church have done such a bad job people have find Christ on their own terms. A direct unmediated relationship based on more on Orthodox Christian ideas grounded in Christian meditation might characterise where I stand.

She mentions "evolutionary psychology", and it is in terms of selective evolutionary adaptation that we need to view norms and customs. Such norms take hold because they are more successful than other ways of doing things. Fertile tribes overcome infertile ones, for example. Of course, this all depends on circumstances and environment, but Louise and others like her are asking fundamental questions when one can now easily see that our societies are existentially threatened by low birth rate. These questions undermine everything we have believed over the past sixty years, and the absurdity of the most recent ideological excesses helps to bring it all to a time of reckoning.

Er ... this ought to be obvious, but I'll point it out just in case. One cannot DECIDE to believe in God (or anything else). One either believes in something, or one does not. And you could persuasively argue that the only reason Christianity took off the way it did (there being plenty of competing deities) was that it enjoined believers to follow a moral path that they instinctively recognised as good, both for the individual and for society. It certainly HELPS that Christianity's moral strictures are phrased as commands from on High, but it is far from clear that this is a prerequisite.

I agree..I was disappointed to hear she practices contraception. That's going to affect her marriage pretty negatively, as it affects the way couples see sex and in turn, themselves and their love for each other.

​@@luthiengsif she didn't use contraception, she wouldn't be on the podcast. She would have no time to do anything else but raise children.

who's gonna do the nursing?

@@davidadiwego4608 humanity is not going extinct anytime soon, and I’d be happy for an AI nurse in any case

It's how societies in the past worked. A loving family tends to lead to children caring, when they grow up, about their parents. Grandparents where I come from, often help with parenting as well, when for example, the parents need a day out by themselves.

@@CrocPit I wouldn't. Emotional deprivation would be the likely result.

I've had three children. It is hard and scary.

Thank you, what a lovely supportive statement for women...and for the children!

If I need a root canal, I don’t have people telling me to have it at home without pain relief. Why is there this insistence that women need suffer needlessly?! Pain relief is a miracle.

High status isn't always identified only as those who are affluent- high status here in the states are people like influencers, hollywood types,- these types here in the states are a terrible advertisement for marriage. And they're telling our society that women should not want marriage

Another topic that is chronically glossed over! I wanted to start my family when I was 25. I couldn't do it! I was surrounded by fuckboys......

Not many.

I'm sorry you have such a pitiable view of a family structure

It's actually better for the children I'd parents divorce

@@wyleecoyotee4252 No. It's better for the children when the parents patch things up.

No-fault divorce is really No accountability divorce. Women love it.

@@wyleecoyotee4252 wrong. Me any my brothers have trauma following from our parents divorce even 17 years on. It has destroyed our whole family, and i know both of them regret it but will never talk to each other again.

@TurkiBapHead My parents divorced when I was 15. Happy to see my drunken father leave. There was finally peace at home. He was absolutely unnecessary.

Yes, rent is sky high, and goes up faster than wages. The "Just go to a lower cost of living area" doesn't account for the lack of high paying jobs that cover such expenses.

because liberal society and the associated culture of shamelessness gave them that choice.

yes we are in such a long transition letting women control their fertility. It is a brave thoughtful thing. The males were worth more to a female who gets her sustenance and ID that way. I too got the jealousy, thing is while it happens you don't understand and get more entangled with the world meantime which is harmful.

You should have kept your legs closed so that you wouldn't have to mu(r)der babies

Why are you drawn to animals? They aren't weaklings to need affection from others to survive, even a dog left in the rain could find ways to make a life for itself

The only people who should ever have children are those who genuinely want it.

metropolitan lifestyle?

I have pondered the same and got to a point where I can no longer falsify my hypothesis. It goes like this : the base problem is the logical end point of late-stage capitalism, where humans treat each other instrumentally. If every relation becomes a _transaction_ , then everyone is measured on their ability to give, against a want to give as little as possible in return. Everywhere I look, with no exception, I see this - despite vehement denials. Words like "emotional labour" would have been absolutely unthinkable and utterly incomprehensible a mere century ago, for example.

we chose the worst demographic to decrease in numbers

@@davidadiwego4608 I don't think it was necessarily 'a choice' as such, but there are inevitable social, political and economic consequences for fostering the circumstances that have allowed for an increasing aging population. One way or another we need a young, fit productive workforce to support and sustain them and all these arguments are intertwined with birth rates and immigration levels and then further complicated in some people's minds by overpopulation concerns and stretched resources at both the global and national level. At the personal micro level it might be 'great' that our mums, dads and grandparents mostly live far longer than they once did, but at the macro level it presents serious enduring issues with difficult choices.

@@gerhard7323 we chose widely available pharma contraceptives. We chose liberalised abortion.

@@davidadiwego4608 We've elected to do lots of things, but it was never down to one single choice. Medical advancements more generally from childhood vaccinations to heart medicines to cancer treatments to changing diets to better healthcare. All these things amongst many others including economic growth contribute to our longevity. What I'm saying is is that longevity whilst it might seem like a pure positive on the face of it can and does bring with it unaccounted for negative consequences.

if it really is such a crisis, it will cull billions of people. Those people are, more or less, the ones who couldn't survive in the 1st place without the industrialization/fossil fuel exploitation/eco system destruction that is causing the so called crisis.

All any non woke country needs to do now is incentivise motherhood and eventually they will take over the world, lol, well it's true !

Doubtful whether that was a major factor in how the feminist mindset developed. Something I find more likely is this; Traditionally, women controlled the domestic sphere, while men were in charge of the public sphere. And several hundret years ago, the domestic sphere was still a major force of society, comprising the majority of overall economic assets and a good chunk of social life. But over the last few centuries, this importance as continuously dropped, both due to social and technological developments, such as urbanisation and the increased outsourcing/mechanisation of traditional household chores. The stay-at-home wife has become irrelevant as a social entity, whereas it used to be an important position (even without children). And so, the less important their traditional sphere got, the more women asked to participate in the still-relevant one; The public/male sphere.

@@michaelt.5672 I think there were several factors that influenced the rise of feminism. But without doubt Lesbians represented a political aspect of feminism as they were, by nature, not invested in the traditional nature of 'family' and women's role in the home. "Indeed, lesbian feminists asserted that lesbians exemplified women’s liberation, demonstrating the personal, economic, and sexual independence that feminists believed all women should possess. That analysis helped provide insight into the way that society constructed its notion of womanhood, recognizing that lesbians conformed to many traits commonly construed as masculine."

It's still a problem even among radical feminists. I'm one of the very few heterosexual mothers in my local group of radical feminists. Often times it gets so anti men, antinatalist, pro separatist that it's almost aggressive towards women like myself so they stop organizing. It's hard to build anything meaningful that helps most women when the majority of the women haven't the same experiences of that majority. I was able to get a conversation going on the ways that Christianity served the needs of women and children very similar to what Louise talks about even though I'm not Christian. It was interesting that's for sure but takes alot of patience and energy. I hope it changes.

How is that an awkward truth? Lesbians advocated for themselves and their rights because they were stifled in a society that didn’t allow women financial or social independence. It’s not their fault that their ideas took hold and other women decided that maybe they would like a career and an independent life as well. Mothers need to advocate for themselves because no one else is going to do it for them.

@@patriciag6030 But that's not quite true is it? Cosmopolitan, for example, had an agenda to manipulate women into a version of the Sex and the City lifestyle. And the whole thing was a kind of psy-op plan to increase the labour market at the expense of the American family structure. I remember reading a piece by a former 1960s Cosmo journalist, she was happily married, living out in the sticks, and told by Helen Gurley Brown's editorial team to make up stories about living a wild swinging life with a glamorous job in the big city. And the template for that lifestyle was the kind of work/life existence some city dwelling lesbians were enjoying. So the whole thing was a fiction. And lesbian ideas didn't "take hold", a package of lies was sold to manipulate women to make bigger profits for corporations. I don't call that 'empowerment'.

It's the same in China.

Not wishing to be offensive but are you intending to marry a man or woman? As I know a lady who is a gay orientation and is married to a man and has children.. I was curious as to whether this is a one off? Regards

Legalising gay marriage was the best idea ever. Why should the gay community avoid the hell of marriage and trauma of divorce? 😂

She's definitely not Nordic, though, is she?

I can barely hear her - she needs to stop whispering.