"Love is the absence of the bizarre belief in separation." ~ Vernon Howard

He definitely speaks from the correct place. Also when you act as if the illusory self is you and not just an activity consciousness does then you cannot possibly be as eloquent like that. He's talking from years of slowing the conditioning of societies belief systems.

That's because HE is not speaking. God is speaking through him.

James Gaskell and then drop the tought

Klarissa I agree, it does not seem to be a personal choice, grace just needs an opening, and that just happens when the time is right and we are ready to see it

..it gets better - "Love is the collapse of everything that separates us." ...Pure Gold....

Linda Hardesty alright

Feeling of self may be more accurate. I don't think it's a specific thought

and if you think I'm being unduly harsh please believe me I'm not I actually look forward to such a conversation... and that's not true of every spiritual teacher for mooji for example the best I could possibly imagine is a brief intense one sided fist fight

+profjfresh course I'm a lover not a fighter so he would just kick my ass but that's okay I heal very quickly but no seriously you Lisa Cairns and possibly one or two others I hope to actually sit down and speak with one day soon

Dear “break the chain “, I very much identify with your comments .I used to go to Krishnamurti’s talks in brockwood park ,at his country house In Hampshire once a year, when he was alive .I read most of his books and his biography. He seemed to me to be enlightened,and to hear him speak was special, as it is with Rupert . At the time I was of the opinion , that as he was enlightened , there must be some explanation that I just wasn’t getting . After all ,he’s enlightened and I’m not . I slowly came of the opinion that many mystics ( although enlightened) , did not have the ability to communicate the essential features to help people move forward in any meaningful way . Which brings me to the point that “Form less” makes . I don’t recognise the spiritual one -upmanship that your referring to. Trying to catch the bigger rabbit which you refer to , is not for purposes of “ my gurus better than yours - so there- “ . It can be answered with the question you posit- “what do we really want”. Well , what I want is to listen and learn from people I may not agree with,on first hearing.To listen openly , without prejudice. I think the religious / mystic path is a subject of incredible importance, and therefore discussing methods to reach enlightenment, can be very valuable. It’s fine from my point of view that many find Rupert , Krishnamurti, Ramana and others ,fulfilling and satisfying . I’m only saying from my perspective- which may or may not be right , that I have come across one or two people who do the job so much better for those that are really serious about the subject. No doubt you still think this is one upmanship on my part . I’ve thought about that ,and that is really not my motivation. It is to exchange views about the subject with people that really care, and can help me , and others . So feel free to float off in to the ionosphere “ form less” one . ( don’t be offended- that’s a joke ) . Cheers all.

There is no you.

Hello ABPLUS5, When you say there is no “you”, would you mind describing in detail what you mean please?

Hi RAYSAINSBURY1 - I'll try. Most likely I'll be paraphrasing the likes of Rupert, Mooji, Eckhart Tolle, and my favorite author Vernon Howard. Admittedly my use of the word "you" was a generalization and could be misleading without explanation. What I mean is more on the psychological/spiritual level there is no separate "me" or separate "you". There is no "separate self" that exists apart from (or outside of) the whole of reality. Yes, we have separate bodies, thoughts, feelings, and experiences. But I am not my body, not my thoughts, not my feelings, not my past experiences. It is more accurate to say I am the awareness that is aware of my body, thoughts, feelings, experiences. Likewise you are the awareness of your different body, thoughts, feelings, experiences. So however many billions of different human beings there are with different bodies, thoughts . . . We share in common this state of awareness. Consider also the energy that animates human beings. The energy that moves my arm or projects my voice is the same energy that moves you and enables your speech. That energy comes from the same source and eventually that animating energy will be withdrawn from my body and from your body. But since I am not my body, but the awareness of my body, I can "watch" as the animating process changes and the energy is withdrawn. Eckhart Tolle has one of the best metaphors for understanding all this that I have run across. He likens human beings to waves on the ocean. Out of the ocean, a wave is born. It comes into existence, grows bigger, travels a particular path, eventually loses energy, and disappears back into the ocean. You can say the wave had an individual existence apart and different from all the other waves, but at no time were any of the waves separate from the ocean. And never, in essence, separate from each other. Now suppose we give these waves egos. So that each wave mistakenly thinks it is separate from the other waves. And even thinks it is separate from the ocean itself. In this misguided, limited, and ego-centric belief, it looks out across the ocean and sees the other waves as separate. And also, the ego-wave loses sight of the fact that it, itself, is connected to the ocean. It has a very limited understanding of what real life is all about. Its egotism has confined its life to the time span between its emergence (birth) as a wave and its dissolution back into the ocean (death). It has no awareness of its eternal and infinite essence as the ocean which it has never been apart from except in its deluded thinking. So when I say there is no "you" or no "me", I mean there is no separate self apart from the whole of reality. And true love is the living realization that none of us are separate from each other. Love is not an emotion. Love is this high level of understanding lived by an individual who has allowed the ocean to extinguish his belief in existence as a separate wave. Ray - I just read the rest of your original comment again and, yes, you are so right. Mere intellectualizing about these ideas is not the answer. Which is why I was drawn to Vernon Howard because he had a no nonsense approach to applying these ideas to daily life to end problems and understand negativity out of existence. He defined meditation as moment by moment awareness which one could "practice" throughout the day in any situation. And he advocated using the two tools of 1) inner impartial self-observation and 2) self-honesty as the practical way to move from just having a human/worldly nature to the development of a higher heavenly spiritual nature. He never said it was easy because there are lots of pitfalls along the path, but he was always encouraging because it is absolutely possible. It is why we are here.

My perspective: The teachings of most “Enlightenment” beings, will fall on deaf ears, or be misinterpreted. But there may be one or some who is or are ready or interested or searching or in need of, etc... that the teaching may reach or resonate with, or guide to the their next level. At any rate, it seems to be the calling once you reach “A” level, to share and reach back and help others. I’m thankful for it.

@@avenger822 Then it also doesnt matter if you eat humans and your family alive

Mae rik I agree

Nieuw Universum yes you are correct

You became vegan because of your thought that appeared in your mind. Everything is Consiousness, not just animals, plants and vegetables as well. And it's not a mere concept in my head, I feel this way. And that is the best proof. No need to believe what is good or bad, wrong or right. Feeling out of Silence inside rises no questions, no doubts.

@spiro i think there is very much difference, in perspectives, sense of reality....it is that we are all one and i understand that but different parts of one or maybe different levels of conciousness. Idea of knowledge (memory) being limited doesnt feel good :/

He's a Gangsta boss

@@pg5755 🤫 shhh that’s a secret 😂😂😂

@@milica2767 just different perspective of reality

Yes we’ve only ever seen him speaking softly sitting in a chair

comes from ego.

Rupert adresses this subjectmatter in the lovely audio -video made by Alan Neachell titled :" Hatred is love veiled. "

Om Tapasvi Is it not the flow of love which collapses that which separates? Does it not arc between two as activity prompted by an aware being who has the potential to love consciously and one who is lost in the body/mind? I can think/feel "I love" without interaction with limited outcome unless it is efflugent or I can consciously assign an expression of the energy of love to the body/mind through an act of compassion. Does not the realized quiet body/mind eventually become the servant of the conscious soul?

It seems like there's a lot of ideas or dualities. This is asking a question which refers to cause and effect which consciousness is beyond time so it can't be. Love is the experience of union. If not then what is the opposite? Separation which is where all of societies mind states are at and look at how that love is. Love doesn't need other. Love is like life is.

@Avdhoot Mohite agreed, but can you answer my question?

Milica , Live your désires and all your human activites as the expression of the infinite consciousness, no more from the perspective of the ego, offer all your activités, feelings whatever they are so called positiv or so called négative, to the infinite who’s experiencing, all will be then , a celebration, a curiosity, that’s why the infinite becomes finite : to live expériences, to know itself as finite, so play the game of life and don’t try to Be perfect, but live your life as a child who descovers everything. Nothing will change apparently but now you remember you are infinite playing the finite game, and you’ll see all other people around you living theire lives as forgotten, « ignorants », that’s ok This is also the game to forget, everything is perfect, 😊 Just change the point of view, the perspective from where you live and act, be an experiencer in your daily activities. Hope it helps ( sorry for bad english, did my best)☺️

@@tinamasson6472 It does really help, thank you so much for your time and desire to help 🙏 appreciete it 💖

Milica , last thing...you’ll probably don’t remember all the time that you’re infinite... often you’ll forget but it’s ok , because you never cesse to be infinite even when you forget : you dont have to be in the water all the time to know how it is to be in the water. So don’t try to force anything, live life as it is. You forget and then, you remember and you forget again... that’s fine! Don’t try to be established all the time in the infinite otherwise you’ll fight and be desapointed: This is the seperate self, and even that, when it happends and you finally see you were fighting : it’s ok, that’s the experience of fighting: love includes everything inconditionally😊 With great pleasure, and with Love Milica ♥️♥️😘

@@tinamasson6472 Thats exactly what is happening :) When i had realization i thought thats it my life will never be the same again...but then life unfolds and i am still same human just little bit more aware and practising all the time, making mistakes correcting and all over again :)

raysainsbury1 one can't possibly tip toe around a lot of the duality of language when one says I one must know that if it is being referred relatively then it is an activity of consciousness not who they essentially are.

OK. Let me see if I can clearly state the fundamental mistake human beings make. Because we have thoughts, we jump to the conclusion that there is a "thinker" - a thinker of those thoughts. Likewise if my body is walking down the street, I assume there is a "walker". If I am eating, I assume there is an eater. If writing, a writer. For everything "I" do, think, and feel I assume there is a "self". In other words we create a "self". But truly in reality there is no such "self". The "self" my mind creates is just another thought. It is an artificial creation of the mind that we identify with. In other words, there is just thinking (no thinker), walking, eating, writing, doing, feeling (no feeler) BUT simultaneously, there is AWARENESS (which is not a "self" nor is it thinking) of all this happening. (Which brings us back to meditation as moment by moment awareness.) This thought-self, ego-self, false-self (there are many terms pointing to this illusory self) will struggle with these ideas because it fears for its extinguishment. It fears non-existence ... which is pretty funny since it doesn't really exist anyway. We have been tricked. Only our ignorance of higher facts has given the false-self life. Much like a mirage, when you get up close to it you see it was not what it appeared to be. Since AWARENESS is stronger than thought, it can perceive the mistakes of the mind and eventually correct wrong thinking. My mistaken beliefs, faulty assumptions, and unnecessary identifications can be seen through. This changes me which changes everything. I am not trying to be obscure. I am trying to be clear and helpful. And I am having fun. "The search for truth is really a lot of good fun." ~ Vernon Howard. Additionally, a "body-mind" with a memory of experiences and the label ABPLUS5 has replied to "you". Memories happen, but they don't create an "experiencer". There is awareness of memories, they happened, and my mind wants to say they happened to "me". But there is no me, just the past experience. Just as in the present moment there is just experiencing, no experiencer. Who you think you are is just a bunch of thoughts, not a self.

Bp Rijal I would say yes, without any doubt. In one video he was speaking how he was mistaking who he is with the thoughts and feelings.

right! :D

What difference does that make to you or me "waking up"?

This is enlightened.