@Norse Woodman We're definitely sad :(

@Norse Woodman i'm extra sad because i'm a c9 fanboy. my team went from the most dominating team in our region's history to not even making worlds so now i just gotta sit here forever wondering what would happen if c9 didn't implode.

@@MasterOfBepis they wouldnt get out of groups

@@BlacksmithMD in their peak they definitely would have unless they got flyquest's group, but how far they would have gone in knockouts is what we dont know

MasterOfBepis same shit, different year

Seiki Rikodou now it’s lose streak, TSM about to show how to lose 18 games straight at worlds.

Hey they are still undefeated for making it out of groups

129 people understood this ... sentence?

@@judgedbytime I understand what they meant as did many others I guess but the grammar definitely leaves a lot to be desired lol

@@KanohiVahi I edited my comment I apologize for lacking the grammar knowledge needed to use this language

When criticism reaches that point is when we've gone too far.

That's when they really start getting into gear.

@@Zero-xf1pl i think you meant to reply to the ls comment about him needing a mask.

Valerio yeah sorry

0-4 as of now

Your prediction was right

9 man sleep*

@@Legio__X 😂😂

Well deserved imo

LS used it wrong though, Cambridge dictionary : "the quality of being able to experience feelings" Clearly it is not sentience they were lacking, but reason : "the ability of a healthy mind to think and make judgments, especially based on practical facts" I guess Mathieu L also didn't know what it means, but still attempted to make fun of others. (:

@@iskar02 no, he used it correctly to imply that TSM were effectively comatose. perception is a basic requirement for reason.

@@GeekProdigyGuy ^As you demonstrated

I don’t have a favorite lcs team, I’m just team NA hoping one team makes it out of groups

LogicAppeals unless a miracle happens that will not happen this year, unfortunately

Or you could have been a cloud 9 fan. The only na team that can consistently do anything internationally

@@VxnSmith This. Plus, it feels so sh*tty to hope someone is worse than us rather than strive to be the best.

Obi1Classic dhas

But korea play fundamentally batter as a region so a bad GenG can still do it.

Korea did what TSM did to LCS, you pick a losing matchup cause you’re comfortable on it, cause ur gonna stomp them either way

They opted to take a disadvantageous bot matchup in theory because the overall draft was still better for them and they trusted their bot..

big difference is geng took karma with it which swings the lane into their favor, biofrosts TERRIBLE champion pool is a HUGE issue that they have not fixed at all.

They picked RULER's Ezreal into Senna. Thats a huge difference

16 and 17 kappa

@Lt m The intent of my comment was to say that Sett vs Zilean is a harder lane than people may realize. I mentioned Lucian towards the end of my comment, it was just an example. You're misunderstanding.

@Lt m Point is: TSM bad.

DL have been an ignorant for many years now and his ego holds him back more then anything, he is a NA superstar player that only shine in regional ground (where the skill level is one of the lowest atm)

DL interviews were dogshit. he also didn't say anything about himself and said top cant win lane. so his whole analysis was that top carried in NA and now he can't internationally so he can't see any other problems 🙃

@@mescellaneous Sounds like it's time to replace "coach DL", why does Parth still get regular paychecks again?

Actually that's not a bad idea, imagine him being on a team like Fnatic.

For real the poor Guy needs to get outta there

well him owning a part of TSM is kinda a curse atm..... obviously it must be financialy advantagous but man..... i whish his teammates had hands.....

@@user-wb9zp2gm7f im a tsm fan but yeah I agree. he's been outclassed by every single laner; even when he won lane against nemesis, he wasn't able to turn that into anything meaningful

@@user-wb9zp2gm7f its almost like he's being forced into awful comps in which he cant do what he does best :^) Bjerg isnt bad by any means and can 100% compete with international talents, but you legit cannot 1v9 when youre team is a bunch of crayon eating coppers and you're playing clash vs Challengers lol i think he could def do better than being a mid tier laner, i wouldnt say hed be a super star but somewhere between mid tier and high tier

Bjergsen need to go back to EU, go back to home sweet home.

@@nix294 why, so he can make ten times less money playing shit game infested with corruption nepotism and sjw in pro scene? He can have all these things in NA on top of way more moneys

Correction: Inexperienced Top Laner with massive potential that played way better than expected in this group JG that played excellent for a rookie and gapped Clid in game 5, along with making good plays in other games Washed up mid that hasn't played against real competition in years and can't carry because he's a KDA player Overrated, washed up ad "carry" that has never carried anything and is the sole reason his teams bomb from groups every year Overrated Bard Thresh two trick that doesn't even play those champs anywhere near their full potential at worlds. I feel bad for BB and Spica, they were the only ones trying.

Welp, just show how shit TSM in developing their talent

Funny how the inexperienced one preformed the best amoung them all... half of tsm are washed up and need to go.

NA fans*

They expect Bjergsen to carry. Every Worlds they blame another teammate not realizing that mid and jungle are the most impactful lanes throughout all worlds. He is too much of a passive/kda player and against teams that know when to pull the trigger TSM fumbles every single time. Not to put all on him but we got so many different comps with the team revolving around him through the years and TSM never had a succes at Worlds.

Let's be honest, doblelift was the worst out of the 5 in TSM, most of the game he didn't even had a kill or assist, always getting caught in a bad spot.

I hope he gets it - TSM needs help, Parth is better as an analyst or GM. Not head coach

New talent is garbage and old talent is washed up in the NA region, just take a look at treatz and doublelift.

Emperor Mudkip That’s what happens when teams dont scrim with academy

@@the_leaning_tiger2707 It doesn't change anything even if they scrimmed. NA is just a dumpster region, because biofrost went back to academy and apparently he was styling on those kids which is why he got put back on TSM for worlds.

i've been saying for a while now that i hate the way bio plays as a support main, albeit not high elo, he does not bring what a support needs to have on an international stage. he seems the most NPC among the supports of the 4 top teams in NA. people will argue he works well with doublelift, but players should be adaptable. pro players shouldn't only find some success with certain players.

@@aeroq384 Treatz is way better than biofrost and they didn’t even let him play lol

you are saying this like bjerg is supposed to solo carry the game. Like its a team effort not bot hard losing lane and bjerg saving the day

Oke but even than. He has 0 pressure from his bot lane. Biofrost is just straight up bad. Dubblelift hasnt had any impact in any games they had played. Spica is doing pretty well for them but he isnt able to keep his lead because there is always someone losing so badly on his team or they are winning but they arent doing anything with the lead. Bb is a coinflip but he is and will always be a coinflip. All games at worlds for TSM are going the exact same way. Or they win early by a small amount and they wont do anything with it and lose. Or they lose early and they will be giving everything away without doing anything and lose. Or they get behind and fight over stuff they shouldnt fight over and get even further behind. Its sad that they got to be in this group really. Because TL and Flyquest are stepping up their game at least a bit at worlds and they didnt have a real chance getting out of their groups.

ALPHA BOY hes taking the name "Team Solo Mid" literally

Idk why people watch nacls, washed up trash players haha

The senna flashed the e and got shielded by ori plus guardian activated while his team got chased like wild animals. You obviously are talking out of ur ass and it's ppl like you that bring unnecessary hate on ppl that dont deserve it. There are 3 million reasons that game was lost and fyi it's not a choke cause the game was already so far gone there was nothing he can do. I don't give a sht about TSM or Worlds in general but Bjergsen is an example of dedication to the game and hard work without ego. And then you look at Double shit the ego maniac and Bioshit the Bard into Nautilus god and you wanna puke cause they embarass themselves every year.

You have had aggressive players in the past. They all got turned into ward bots. Every last one of them. Then they leave and join other teams and what do you know? They’re actually good?? Crazy

Yeah, seemed to work out for TL on their 2nd day, alas they ramped up too late. Shame they didn't get group C, they had a better chance than TSM of making it out.

he lives in an apartment with other people and he had to travel to China to cast in person. Prolly just doing it to be safe.

pretty sure this was before he could shave because he wasn’t able to as he was getting lazer facial surgery thing so i’m pretty sure he was wearing it to cover that

Its also an Asian thing, i lived with 3 Japanese dudes 2-3 years ago, friendly funny guys but like to wear mask whenever they was outside of their room, never bother to ask why.

yan nah he cast at lol park which is in korea. Why go through the hassle of bringing casters from all around the world when they barely managed to get all the team.

He said several times on stream that he just likes wearing it.

I like that waiting for 35 minute death timers line. I always would just say they just wait to coin flip lategame but im gonna steal this one.

I actually think bjergs froggen syndrome would be fixed if he left and was no longer the most veteran player on the team. It would be good for both the org and him. To bad hes a partial owner now so hes never leaving.

Whats froggen syndrome?

@@andyjang6788 always waiting for the next spike, always playing for late game

The thing is, if you have ever watched LCS (I'm an EU fan but I do that sometimes), you know they have no one better than Bjergsen and DL in mid bot. Cause NA is out of young talents, if they totally change their lineup as you said, there's no way they win LCS next year. Except if they import from LEC/LCK/LPL, but EU players would only come for financal reasons and would loose their individual lvl because of the sadness of NA soloq, and I don't think Korean and Chinese players are interested by the LCS. They're all young and want to proove themselves on a meaningfull stage.

60-70 ping, it's acc insane. Ppl say LCS should move to Chicago (where the servers are) but the teams have built facilities in LA that cost millions. So maybe make or move server to LA.

It used to be around 10-15 in LA before the server move. It was just a bad idea to move it.

Nah Spica is good. He'a a rookie and yet he was the better performer.

@@maxxvii2037 eh. mediocore I would say.

so the weakest position in NA is midlane by far

Bjergsen also didn’t do well. He got very ahead as Lucian had 7 kills or something around that and just didn’t have the ability to carry

Bjerg himself is trash. Lol. This guy can't even make worlds from na for 2 seasons without dl's help and loses lane to fkin' Nemesis who's trash in lec.

Haha it's never Bjergsen's fault when TSM does bad eh? I don't hate the guy but it's funny how he's never blamed by the fans for the failures of the team.

@@Daniel-wz3yv Exactly. The fans would rather blame coaching when they literally CHANGE multiple coaches. Parth, Peter, Ssong, Zikz etc. 6 seasons of worlds, 6 seasons of Bjerg. all seasons of fails with Bjerg playing like shit internationally. Bjerg is the ONLY constant, but TSM fans are idiots. 'oh but Bio plays worst, so it's Bio not Bjerg'. another game, another Bjerg running from fights to save his kd so fans won't blame him. LOL. Let's see how long Bjerg's able to scam TSM fans while they fail every worlds with him running away from fights.

Agree

Triggers me cause he's at home and (probably) doesn't need it, + (even if he did need it) he's perma touching the front of the mask which is not a smart thing to do at all.

@@xDencyDaniel he wears it for comfort afaik

xDency he’s worn this way before covid was a thing lol

omensoffate ahh k, didn’t know that he did

He doesn't play well the dude can't carry against real teams. He's a selfish KDA player and it shows

Btw, their coach is usually most vocal in drafts, that's how it is for most teams. He could still talk about what he thinks but its mostly coach.

He lived in Korea doing LCK for a while and masks are a big fashion thing over there.

I think he said on stream that he liked the feeling of it and that it calms him down

200 IQ

His job is to regurgitate in English what Korean pros think it's good on the game and act entitled and treat everyone as dumbasses everytime they don't agree with him. FYI, cheater recalls have been a thing since season 4-5, Faker was doing it on ryze many many years ago. Also the liandrys thing started in Europe many years ago as well.

@@sebastianpineda1058 If you don't mind, can you explain to me what is this all cheater recalls and use of liandrys thing?

rafael gutierrez it’s when u slow push the first waves and then then hard shove the cannon wave into tower then immediately recall and buy and then run back so u can get a free item and get back to lane and lose maybe 1 minion and have the wave shove to you so you can freeze

@@coletrain7464 I really appreciate the knowledge, thank you so much.

Glad you do have hope lol

Aaaaand it's gone

he has a nasal condition. been wearing a mask for the past 10 years. some times he wasnt because of surgery, but in the end i believe the condition came back

Its not just TSM its also bjergs problem. Think of it in a new light or perspective. Imagine you are an up and coming rookie top laner. You smash lane in solo que. The meta has shifted to super carry top laners like jax and camile and its all skill match ups and you are consistently winning the skill match up against everyone in NA solo que. You get picked up for a pro team that has a veteran shotcaller but hes super OG. He thinks the game is played by farming for 40 minutes, never taking fights and having one big teamfight for baron there. Now you the rookie think this is ridiculous way to play so you bring up your concern and ask to be played around and given some resources around specific timings so you can establish safely split push pressure. Your veteran tells you your wrong, you have no expierence and do not understand the game. Okay so you bring it up to the coach. He tells you that we have won with a style that works. Okay what can you do? You go to the GM of the team surely they see the bigger picture and can help you. Wait shes dating a player who agrees with the shot caller. You no longer have any options. Especially when you considee the shot caller is now a partial owner having even more control. Even though new blood keeps rotating in and around bjerg he keeps deciding how the game will be played. Now whos wrong here? Every single top and jungle player TSM has had? Or bjerg? The only consistent factor is bjerg. His junglers have gone to other teams and been super stars and be relevant. Szenskeran on c9, amazing in europe has done well, even passive santorin has found new blood in NA. I almost guarentee that bjerg leaving TSM would be beneficial to both groups. The only bad thing anout leaving is the branding and money they make off of him.

@@CosmicDarkLord Can you give me an actual example of this happening instead of an implication that this is happening because you've projected these traits onto Bjergsen?

“Wait... TSM is cringe?!”

The players have the final say in draft, it's obvious they all suck. There so dumb and they have DL a player that thinks he's good for getting most farm in each game and not doing anything with it.

John Smith it’s bad when you say “there so dumb...”

It’s 2020 and I still have to correct this....IT’S FUCKING THEIR NOT THERE. THERE REFERS TO A LOCATION. Ie Let’s go over THERE and play. THEIR shows ownership or possession. Ie That is THEIR red bike. My 7 year old daughter knows this shit come on people!!!!

@@UnleadedOrphan it's they're actually. I'm hoping you're joking

Haha true my bad English is not my first language. Feel bad for Na but they lose all the young talent in school shootings.

I think he doesnt have a very good mic and he has to have his close to his mouth so he wears a mask so that you cant hear him breathe.

Too bad they were bad even back then. CLG had it right but tsm were stuck in s1 mentality for too long to adapt...

For no reason at all.

wannabe korean fashion style

Roommates.

judged by time roommates that are nowhere close. Wearing a mask indoors is unhealthy

No reapered degrade with them because players in tsm have final say in draft as people say.

@@alelimagpayo5641 Is players getting final say in draft something that only TSM does? On other teams it's the coaches?

@@shinHis3 i think it's tsm only?? Not sure. But if other NA team does this, they need to be good or NA doom.

lmao okay Bjerg never had any talent to begin with. He's a big fish in a small pond.

Coaching when LS and dom are making so much more money with streaming why would they even try coaching when they Will lose out on 80% salary

@@jorrevandekerckhove9818 not my point, but yeah you are right tho

Apartment with 3 people in and out he also has a really bad lung disease so he’s extra careful

Its fun

Computer virus

He's sick of TSMs shit

Hes ugly even post surgery, and he knows it

because he gets feedback of Donib is bad midlander in the world

And C9

ok so how is that? are u dumb? they are first seed they are better than C9 fly TL if there is something worse than 0/6 this teams will get it

What a joke, they couldn't beat TSM in NA, TL actually had the easiest group judging by how G2 loves to throw games left and right when it's bo1 and free win Machi but they still couldn't make it out, and people saying Fly are so good just because they beat TES once in a game that didn't make any difference lmao.

Yeah C9 has managed to make it out when they aren't expected to. Even if they weren't the 1st seed

No Sneaky No Worlds

@@MonaryMenos oh sorry, which team can create homegrown talent better???? Sneaky ain't gonna be a pro forever you know. So shut up, C9 ain't gonna be stuck in LCS forever just because Sneaky ain't playing anymore. You think TL need Doublelift to go to Worlds?? No team can rely on a single player to make it to Worlds you know. You're sounding like a TSM fan by saying No Bjergsen, no Worlds. Such BS needs to stop.

@@years-ti7xl No Sneaky No Worlds